This is a weird topic!!!! :P Personally, I think marriage is bleh!!!! :P
Brad Pitt and Jolie are not even married
Marriage is securityYes it means commitments and security for the children.
Yes it means commitments and security for the children.
One study estimated that legal reforms accounted for about 20 percent of the increase in divorce rates in Europe between 1960 and 2002
In Australia, nearly every third marriage ends in divorce. After reaching a peak divorce rate of 2.7 per 1000 in 2001.
In Japan, divorces were on a generally upward trend from the 1960s until 2002 when they hit a peak of 290,000.
The overall divorce rate is in decline in the U.S., but so is the marriage rate.
Should we look at a relationship which is not decided on papers, That way , should one party get upset ,the party would not have to wait for any legal binding and would simply move on.
Benefiting the both parties ?
what if a man and woman stay together without being married on papers. Anyone who might be upset would simply leave and would return once the matters calm down
what if a man and woman stay together without being married on papers. Anyone who might be upset would simply leave and would return once the matters calm down
marriage forces people to stay together even if they are not happy. Time consuming and expensive divorce rulings all compel couples to stay together.This would bring a very negative effect on the children.
In Europe most of the couples are not even married.That was what i heard in National Geographic.
Kids love to see their parents together no matter what. Yes but if there's domestic violence...the child would like it better if his/her parents went separate ways.
Happiness and conflicts are a cycle... They come and go...
It prevents people from acting and reacting hastily.* And gives them another chance to think.
And prevents them from losing what they could have had.
Many relationships are born to lose.Especially in Europe and america where you marry because you love him/her not taking financial etc issues into consideration
Happiness and conflicts are a cycle... They come and go...
It prevents people from acting and reacting hastily.* And gives them another chance to think.
And prevents them from losing what they could have had.
I like this +rep
How often do you fight with your parents?many times
How often do you pack your bags and leave the house?tried 2 times
How often have you had the chance to choose who your parents will be?zero
How often do you pack your bags and leave the house?tried 2 times
going separate ways gets complicated with all the reasons i mentioned above.
With marriage, the partners at least have a chance of getting back together in case of a disagreement.
With "live together", there is no incentive to stay together. People will make the excuse of "quarrel" just to have sex with someone else.
But are marriages preventing couples from having extra-marital relationships. Cheating has actually increased manifold in North America and Europe.
Point. ;)
But are marriages preventing couples from having extra-marital relationships. Cheating has actually increased manifold in North America and Europe.
Marriage is.... complicated :P
Best not to rush into it, but rather take your time.
If your a 50 year old bachelor reading this.............................. GET A GIRL BUDDY !!! DEATH's ON THE PORCH !!!! :D
Promiscuity is a loss of integrity when someone is married, committed.
It's an adventure when no ties are formed.
But Love(if there is) will always find a way for a couple to stay together..wouldnt it.
Or i am missing the whole point of marriage
Not intending to offend anyone, you love many people in life (though people claim love is only once). But you choose to live with only one.
Cuz the rest are not stupid enough to marry the girl...
:)
The girl agrees, why? Because there are countless of sane persons. But only ONE stupid.
Just the girl's view of the story.. ::) But in the end, the girl ends up with the stupid. ::)
In that case, most of the world's people are fools.
You didn't know that? ::)
I wanted you to know it. :P
Cuz you accept you are one, right? :P
A fool or a girl?
A foolish girl... :P
Yes, I am.
See, so now you shouldn't try to argue with ME!!! 8) 8)
Yes, I am.
I always knew this somehow.
Alpha why did you pm me that message. Of all the people you should be knowing friends in need are friends indeed
Or the other way round?
Fools shouldn't think ::)... So shut down your brain for a little while. :P :P
If I stop thinking, you stop talking.
If I stop thinking, you stop talking.
Sounds good :P
Can't refute that.. :D
ALPHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
stop it
Sounds good :P
Marriage isn't kid's play... So get lost kid!!! :P :P
How come you are here then?
Okay, I stopped.
You aren't any better. ::)
Something going on btwn you two? :P
You said marriage is for fools.
And then, you called me a foolish girl.
I'm here to enlighten the fools with my divine knowledge. :P
Not what your corrupted mind thinks it is.
I pity you then.
Lol. ::) I know that. Now tell me what's going on...
Don't.
A fool's pity is the last thing I would need. :P
Privacy, I respect. :-X
A fool's silence, the first. Given. :P
Please stop the argument and get back to the topic!
Has Marriage failed in its aim of prosperity between bride and the groom. ?
True love happens many a times with some.
What kind of a forum is this.
Mods fighting each other, Alpha-kind growing in numbers jesus. :P :P
What do you mean, Alpha-kind? :P
Aristotle wanna-bes
Don't ruin my mood now.
You are the most ironic lady in the whole world.You told me 1 week before that you are really down to earth and do not get angry quite easily.
Was that a tongue-slip ?
I told you easily. So it means, must be something serious really.
alrighty..Apologies .
Alpha is the only person I know who erupts lava!!!
Ya, I'm active right now. :-X
Drink some water then.
It will evaporate.
But some heat will be lost in the process as well. Continue it and you'll be normal...
I +repped you, am normal now.
What for? ???
I'm foolish, you said it.
You trust me? ::)
Yes, I do.
It was for trying to lighten up Kong.
Sometimes I think I understand you and sometimes I don't .....
:)
I'm a phenomenon like you are too.
Seriously...among the ones I know, the only person I don't seem to get is you...
You have wide ranges of personalities....
i feel marriage is just a tie which holds back ppl from achieving their dreams !really?! :-\ ..what makes u think that way ? ::)
i dunno why but i have strongly felt that way always !
its a commitment that u have2 always stick by ! even if u not happy with the way ur life is or the way the relationship is going
Choose a good and free-minded partner then ! :D
one will always have to think about one's family even with a free minded partner and there can never be 100% freedom to live ur life the way u want after marriage. and even if u have freedom it wont last very long !!! :)
You always have to compromise. :-\
You always have to compromise. :-\
Compromise for the benefit of both or for the other party or for yourself?
Depends every time you compromise. It may not always be you who's compromising. Many fail to realize that...and that's how things start to fall apart.
Compromise for the benefit of both or for the other party or for yourself?
It may not always be you who's compromising.
I feel like extending this debate to another 5 pages.
Why do you need to make compromise with other human beings when you are already not doing things,which are fun, such as drinking and gambling which are forbidden by God.
Is one mighty compromise not enough
You live with people around you. You want to fit in. You compromise.
If you're happy alone, all by yourself,which is rarely the case, you won't have to compromise.
We come alone. We go alone. But we interact with others all the while. You can't live a secluded life.
Gambling and drinking are fun. ::)
I went to a bar in Istanbul and i was shocked to see people enjoying so much.But i couldnt do those because i have made a compromise with God.
Compromise for the sake of fitting in the society. That just doesnt sound right.I am sure you have heard every philosopher and scientist excluded themselves from the public right before they invented things which changed the course of world history.
In America or Europe, you dont have to make any compromise. You do what you are good at.And there's a reason why top 30 countries in world happiness index are all from europe and North America
I feel marriage places constraints on the modern woman.
She is forced to take the role of a mother. Although, some women may actually look forward to have children.
In such a case I cannot comment.
However, as a mother she may not be able to do what she has always wanted to do in life.
Get my drift ?
Forced?
How about those who WANT to have a child?
Marriage is a choice, I remember audience and participants, lol. :D
I cant comment on that because I simply dont know the answer.
But I just feel guilty when I see some women relegated to being simply mothers - no longer free to pursue their ambitions.
But thats just me :-\
i feel like we ladies were born to raise the next generations (i.e. to be mothers* cuz obviously we r the only creatures that have a womb .
don't feel srry for us Ari , we do follow our amibtion and our dreams to the point were we get married some chose to complete follwoing their dreams *while they still do have children* while others choice to quit and take full care of their children
P.S. we can follow our dreams while we have kids
i feel like we ladies were born to raise the next generations (i.e. to be mothers* cuz obviously we r the only creatures that have a womb .
That's not a plausible dream... :-\
i feel like we ladies were born to raise the next generations (i.e. to be mothers* cuz obviously we r the only creatures that have a womb .
don't feel srry for us Ari , we do follow our amibtion and our dreams to the point were we get married some chose to complete follwoing their dreams *while they still do have children* while others choice to quit and take full care of their children
P.S. we can follow our dreams while we have kids
Your culture suppresses women.
You may get offended by this but it is true. Some arab traditions are too hard to explain.And islam somehow becomes the basis of suppression.Although i read quran and found no verse who goes against women
That's not a dream.
But benefiting wholly of the powers Nature gave you.
That's fanaticism.
Yes. But its still hard for women to achieve a top career position if they have a husband who doesn't like women taking up a job or running a business.
It's a opinion. And i dont watch fox news. I have first hand experience at this(i live in a arab country) and somehow i found this statement in Nat Geo magazine as well
Your culture suppresses women.
You may get offended by this but it is true. Some arab traditions are too hard to explain.And islam somehow becomes the basis of suppression.Although i read quran and found no verse who goes against women
I said what I said because of my mother.
She has an MBA, and two years of Law under her belt. She worked as a Secretary to the CEO of some large Pharma company in India.
She could have gone places....
She has made a lot of sacrifices for me.
I knew you said that because of your mother. :)
But worry not, your mother made her choice, and you're lucky, it was you. :)
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I also read more, it was better for those women to be oppressed by fanatics. For They could not handle freedom, and started removing their clothes in public places, smoking like goons, and prostituting as if it was a mundane activity.
You sound like my imaam. Women cant handle freedom, are you actually implying they are genetically inferior to men in handling freedom ?
How dare you
You sound like my imaam. Women cant handle freedom, are you actually implying they are genetically inferior to men in handling freedom ?
How dare you
They were GIVEN a chance, they lost it.
How dare they commit atrocities like these? And undermine women the whole world round?
I happen to lose you there ::). What did your second point meant?
My mom has done a lot for me. But she's a working woman, and my Dad stands by her. :)
I mean, they who previously belonged to closed societies now commit condemnable acts (I mentioned above) when they are set free, does his not affect the image of women worldwide?
I mean, they who previously belonged to closed societies now commit condemnable acts (I mentioned above) when they are set free, does his not affect the image of women worldwide?
The answer lies in education... and differentiation between what is right and what is wrong.
This does not actually affect the image of women worldwide. Usually, when I see a woman wearing normal dresses like t-shirt and pant, I feel very easy to talk to her. When I see someone wearing black veil in such a way as to cover the whole body, I get scared of her.
And who are you comparing those women to.?
Men?? Dont get me started on here.
Women are God's greatest gift to mankind :P, i happen to believe.
Yallah, i am off.again
:D That's habit... ;)
Now don't see me as someone who is always after girls/women. ::) But I really meant it.
So, do you support women being restricted by their husbands from advancing their career? Its evident in your posts.
A woman should know the limits of freedom she enjoys. She does not be have to be reminded by her man. That's a wise woman.
I encourage men to be wise and know the limits of freedom they allow their wives to enjoy. Utopia, anyway.
Unfortunately, some women were late in the conference when God was distributing wisdom. ::)
I encourage men to be wise and know the limits of freedom they allow their wives to enjoy. Utopia, anyway.
If I ever marry, I will respect the will of my wife and stand by her to the very end.
I will leave it up to her to decide what is right and wrong. I intend to marry only if I find a person that can foster such a bond.
If I ever marry, I will respect the will of my wife and stand by her to the very end.
I will leave it up to her to decide what is right and wrong. I intend to marry only if I find a person that can foster such a bond.
Some, but not all.
Yeah, in this case, moderation is logical. Like a guy shouldn't let his wife to fall for his neighbour, unless he wants to be a cuckold. :P
But you said that women commit 'condemnable' acts due to freedom. Excepting seriously condemnable acts like prostitution, freedom shouldn't be much of a problem. Like a girl/women wearing short skirts/other similar dresses is not actually something 'condemnable'. But views vary though.
If I ever marry, I will respect the will of my wife and stand by her to the very end.
I will leave it up to her to decide what is right and wrong. I intend to marry only if I find a person that can foster such a bond.
Good, but this is just to say. Things may change.
That's an ideal man any woman would want to have, but not everyone is fortunate.
Your culture suppresses women.
You may get offended by this but it is true. Some arab traditions are too hard to explain.And islam somehow becomes the basis of suppression.Although i read quran and found no verse who goes against women
1. everyone has a different culture which he is supposed/MUST to abide to it's norms and values . we can't change it cuz it's the way it is !!
2.it's still our choice to chose whether we quit and turn to be full-time mother or half-time mothers and half-time taking care of children and housework ..etc.
3. my culture is much better than others . i have a friend whose culture is to get married once she turns 17 *depends on her dad and her tho *, so see i have my freedom and i am not in anyway suppressed !!
4.i'm proud of being an Arab and proud of my culture and i do NOT feel suppressed at all
5.there r some stuff we ladies r not allowed to do cuz our parents r afraid that we get harmed by some dirty minded ppl that's y they don't let us have our full freedom .
no matter what u say and no matter what u do , u have to keep in mind that's the way some Arabs were raised and it's not really possible to change ur culture's norms .
my culture is a prt of who i am so i don't wanna argue !
I was wondering why you took so long... ;D
Ah you got it wrong. He's not against any culture at all. We're just discussing and observing women behaviour in different parts of the world. Peace.
haha lol :) .. yup i'm a peace lover so peace lol :)
srry but i ain't in the mood of debating lol
Am pacific too, just from the Indian Ocean. ;)
Let's continue with the debate. Gotta fill in more 4 pages. ;)
haha so true actually :D .. anyways i'm outi ..Talk to you later :)Take care :)
Am pacific too, just from Pearl Harbour. :P
No, Pacifist... The Japs blew my ship up... :-\
You landed on Earth, no? :P
No, Hawaii!!! ;D
So how's gorillaz's EVOlution going on? :P
Kong is after the haaaaaaaaawtttttttttt girl. :P
I must go now.
Brazil vs Chile 8)
I just decided to check after some lonely people. :P :P
Don't worry, I'll come tomorrow too. :P
1. everyone has a different culture which he is supposed/MUST to abide to it's norms and values . we can't change it cuz it's the way it is !!
2.it's still our choice to chose whether we quit and turn to be full-time mother or half-time mothers and half-time taking care of children and housework ..etc.
3. my culture is much better than others . i have a friend whose culture is to get married once she turns 17 *depends on her dad and her tho *, so see i have my freedom and i am not in anyway suppressed !!
4.i'm proud of being an Arab and proud of my culture and i do NOT feel suppressed at all
5.there r some stuff we ladies r not allowed to do cuz our parents r afraid that we get harmed by some dirty minded ppl that's y they don't let us have our full freedom .
no matter what u say and no matter what u do , u have to keep in mind that's the way some Arabs were raised and it's not really possible to change ur culture's norms .
my culture is a prt of who i am so i don't wanna argue !
1. Agree. But it must not practice undue restriction being imposed on women. This is unfair.
5. Do you think ALL guys are always after women/girls? That's not a logical thinking, I'm afraid. MOST respect women.
Till they are wearing clothes, you mean?
1. well mne doesn't so i'm fine with it :)
5. no!! ...but those who r have srsly BAD intentions .
1. well mne doesn't so i'm fine with it :)
I mean it should be up to the girl/women. She should be sensible enough to decide herself.
Unfortunately, some women were late in the conference when God was distributing wisdom. ::);)
;)
Oh I see. ;)
But I also think that women attempting to cover the WHOLE part of their body by wearing black veil is a bit scary and should not be practiced. To follow their religion, they can dress up in modest dresses (this doesn't necessarily mean 'modest' implying a swimsuit/bikini or whatever :P )
In modest dresses...
And precisely, those women have lost their senses... Modest is everything for them.
They don't even check if they look good or not. ::)
Thank God Engraved tried to be 'brief'. ;D
Modest according to the region/area/territory concerned.
Example:
Like if a women wears short skirts here, she may risk conclusions concerning her moral standards.
But if the same is worn in KL, it will be considered modest.
So, wearing short/skimpy skirts may be practiced by girls/women in KL, but not in areas like here .
Modest according to the region/area/territory concerned.
Example:
Like if a women wears short skirts here, she may risk conclusions concerning her moral standards.
But if the same is worn in KL, it will be considered modest.
So, wearing short/skimpy skirts may be practiced by girls/women in KL, but not in areas like here .
Dressing up DECENTLY does not mean you have to cover everything from head to toe, but nor does it mean you can uncover anything.
Marriage is not restricting liberty, it is learning to respect others' liberty: they have the right to be kept away from what they do not wish to see. :P
But some husbands wouldn't like their wife wearing what they want, even if its fairly modest like a tank top. I'm not against marriage, but it does tend to restrict the wife.
Forget region, area and territory and answer.
Question: A skirt that is barely 10cm long is modesty? ::)
It could be. If it suits well to her figure/body (forgetting the point about region/area/territory). (that clothing will suit better on an Ectomorph girl, FYI :P )
Staying together without marriage is the rule of the future. ::)
Arsenal<<You are definitely going to hell
For now, we're trying to define what 'modesty' has as its limits...
Yeah, that was exactly my point Arsenal. ;)
Was posting***
I don't know where he disappeared now... :/
Next point: Is marriage a restriction?
10 centimetres.
It does not even cover... her properly.
Should be okay if she's wearing a thong. :P
Staying together without marriage is the rule of the future. ::)
Was posting***
I don't know where he disappeared now... :/
Next point: Is marriage a restriction?
Why does a husband not want his wife not to dress in a particular code?
Because it is not accepted by society, for the majority.
So, even without the husband, the wife wouldn't be free at all. Nobody is free in life. As long as there is more than one man on Earth, freedom is limited.
Yeah, that was exactly my point Arsenal. ;)
But without your mother, would YOU be here?
Share your 'logic'? ;)
She's not. ::)
Who told you this...? I don't think its true.
But without your mother, would YOU be here?
Share your 'logic'? ;)
She's not. ::)
Okay, I just measured 10cm on a ruler and I admit its very short for a skirt on a girl. :-[ So, it should be immodest unless wearing on a beach or something.
It is true. Like i said , it is gaining ground in Western Civilization
Unfortunately, everybody has dreams...
Then, you ought find someone who dreams oh housekeeping.
LOL Arsenal.
Good Luck. :D
Anyway, am off. :)
Take Care all.
And even shorter on a lanky* girl.
You said that because the beach has a different culture.
If we stay together without marriage, we all have a high chance of becoming sexual beasts. Its too easy to change partners if not for marriage. And small disagreements doesn't mean a break up.
LOL Arsenal.
Good Luck. :D
Anyway, am off. :)
Take Care all.
It's good for health ::)
I said previously and i will say it again, True love will always bring order to chaos
If its not for marriages, people would look to change partners just to have sex with someone else. In the process, you have a VERY high chance of getting incurable diseases like AIDS or other STDs.
If its not for marriages, people would look to change partners just to have sex with someone else. In the process, you have a VERY high chance of getting incurable diseases like AIDS or other STDs.
Dont get me started on this.:P. :-X
But my final words would be.
Sacrifice it for the enjoyment of it all
Indians or Sub continent as a whole love leg-pulling. It's in our gene.
Dont get me started on this.:P. :-X
But my final words would be.
Sacrifice it for the enjoyment of it all
Indians or Sub continent as a whole love leg-pulling. It's in our gene.
Enjoyment? If a guy leaves a girl, with her pregnant, will it be an 'enjoyment'? ::)
In your system, girls will be like a typical 'public property'. Will it be enjoyable for them to remain this way? Are prostitutes happy to do what they do? I highly doubt it.
Well some men don't care ::)
Trust me, getting pregnant without a man to support you is not a pleasant thing to happen...
No racist comments please.
Enjoyment? If a guy leaves a girl, with her pregnant, will it be an 'enjoyment'? ::)
In your system, girls will be like a typical 'public property'. Will it be enjoyable for them to remain this way? Are prostitutes happy to do what they do? I highly doubt it.
I am indian.Originally
What i meant was, Because we have strong traditions and cultures so anything extra - ordinary or outside norms is considered derogatory and will be most likely cast away
I am indian.Originally
What i meant was, Because we have strong traditions and cultures so anything extra - ordinary or outside norms is considered derogatory and will be most likely cast away
You are assuming i am talking about arranged marriages. I am talking about marriages based on Love.
A man who loves his partner will never leave him/her in pregnancy
You shouldn't let people make decisions for you and your spouse.
You are assuming i am talking about arranged marriages. I am talking about marriages based on Love.
A man who loves his partner will never leave him/her in pregnancy
If a marriage is based in love, IT IS A MARRIAGE! They are still legally bound by the implications of a legal marriage. As such, he cannot just leave her in any situation without paying alimony.
I thought you were talking about "live together" relationships without any form of marriage.
If a marriage is based in love, IT IS A MARRIAGE! They are still legally bound by the implications of a legal marriage. As such, he cannot just leave her in any situation without paying alimony.
I thought you were talking about "live together" relationships without any form of marriage.
You wont be able to avoid it if you continue to live in Sub-continent.
I agree with stylish though, views are changing.
Better move to another country
Learn to speak for yourself. Stand by him/her at every step. Fight the world to see him/her happy. Why should you move? Let people get accustomed to your way of living....rather than you trying to fit in to please the society and neglect your own happiness.
I get your point though.I agree
This can only be said by a person who is in deep love.
Good one ;)
I think I've said this before.
Man oh man is marriage a complicated affair. :P
And we're a result of that complicated affair ::)
so ppl do agree marriage is complicated affair ! n we should avoid all sought of complications in our life to live longer :P
I dont believe I have the knowledge to comment on that :-\
SOMEBODY said Marriage isn't a word... It's a Sentence!!
Who lied to you?
It's a paragraph! ;)
Its simple actually, I would say marriage is just a word, or maybe a letter, if we mean "M" for marriage. :D
See your signature. Life is simple, WE make it complicated! ;D
So, I would advise all of us to KISS!* :-*
ie. Keep It Simple & Straightforward. :P
Yes, and exactly, marriage is a union of two-- two 'I' that make one 'We'.
P.S. You should also Make It Sure & Secure. :P
That was my long reply... ;D
Make It Sure & Secure = MISS = Make It Simple & Straightforward. :P :P :P
Got it?
OK, going for dinner now. Please don't reply to my post now, or I'll be tempted to spend time and reply. ;D
LOL, Borakk is gone. Now I can reply. :P
Still, love is much much more complex than marriage is.
And because marriage incorporates love, it becomes much much much more complex in turn.
Okay, let's add some colour then...
Why is love complex? Practical answer?
Love and sex equal? Bleh!
It is. Unless you're of course, talking about love between family members or something.
Remember Alpha's signature, "Life is simple, WE make it complex". ;D
So, love=sex.
LOL
that makes no sense whatsoever.eleborate
It is. Unless you're of course, talking about love between family members or something.
Remember Alpha's signature, "Life is simple, WE make it complex". ;D
So, love=sex. Because for REAL love to exist, there must be some form of sexual relationship. Lets face it.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo.
Sex is for fun ..to show that there is still life in the relationship.
Oh man i want to speak so much more , i fear though ::)
Whatever you or others may say, I firmly hold to the belief that love almost equates a sexual relationship.
But this is not to say that the inverse is true. ;)
You, my friend, WILL have one healthy life.
::)
Love is not complex if You love someone based on solely who he/she is really.
Remember Alpha's signature, "Life is simple, WE make it complex". ;D
So, love=sex. Because for REAL love to exist, there must be some form of sexual relationship. Lets face it.
Agree that sex is part of love, but love is not all about sex only. Were that the case, prostitutes should be loving the whole world.
P.S. Want me to change the sig? :P
The inverse relationship in the equation "Love=Sex" does not hold true. I already told that.
No. I like your signature this time! ;D
Yes, the inverse, i.e. sex = love does not at all hold.
You like it too much, seems. :P
LOL, yeah, you knew very well we would have things to say.
Keeping aside what movies and love stories tell you... Let's move a bit into psychology.
Love is an emotion, emotions are awakened and change with time.
My apologies, but it's untrue if you say you fall in love "only once".
Face and accept the truth: we fall in love many times in life. Much more than you imagine. It is another debate whether we accept it or not.
It normally starts by liking somebody's personality traits.
You can like someone's cheerfulness, someone's honesty, someone's gratitude, etc.
What keeps two people bound together is what they do for each other. Sit and think well, you 'love' one particular person because of how you feel in his or her presence, of what he or she does for you, attention, things like that. You then stick with one person-- that's more of responsibility and somehow, guiltiness (you'd be unfair if you rejected that someone).
Now, Arsenal said...
My question to you: If that person himself/ herself does not know who he/ she really is, how then, can you claim to be knowing someone else? Bet, you don't even know your own self well.
Admit that you do know that person a lil bit, it would be most probably because of the time you both have spent together. Is love dependent on time? That's more on the attachment side.
Agree that sex is part of love, but love is not all about sex only. Were that the case, prostitutes should be loving the whole world.
P.S. Want me to change the sig? :P
I wouldn't agree to the "not at all". Sometimes, it may hold true, if sex is not forced of course.
I like what? Your signature? Yep! I'm thinking of importing it, in fact! ;D >:D
You have not fallen in true love ( i am not taking enieda's love into account) therefore you dont know that in a relationship based on true love, both parties are able to share secrets.
How can you comment on something which you have not yet experienced.
Love only happens ONCE...once..... no matter you have married someone else but you will keep thinking about him/her from time to time.Thats called true love.
What keeps two people bound together is what they do for each other.
That is a part of a whole puzzle. What keeps two people together is the realization of the fact that their love interest has completed their soul.
Or in other words you cannot survive without them
If sex is not forced, it is called "temptation", "adventure", "trial". Stupid belief: Practice makes perfect.
God, if you will make our lives simpler, then.
You have not fallen in true love ( i am not taking enieda's love into account) therefore you dont know that in a relationship based on true love, both parties are able to share secrets.
How can you comment on something which you have not yet experienced.
Love only happens ONCE...once..... no matter you have married someone else but you will keep thinking about him/her from time to time.Thats called true love.
What keeps two people bound together is what they do for each other.
That is a part of a whole puzzle. What keeps two people together is the realization of the fact that their love interest has completed their soul.
Or in other words you cannot survive without them
hey nice topic arsenal...interesting..!!
I honestly feel as xena said that they are security for women and her children 'cause still in this society if the women just stays i9n a relationship and bear the man's child it'll be the women who will have to face all the swearing by the society and the man will roam around freely...as they have started all this they must be knowing how to come out of it..(no offence)
so it is better to get married instead of just insulting yourself in the society when there is no your fault...!!
i'll come back to this after some time i need to think about more points this topic is quite interesting for me..:)
That is why I believe love too often equates madness*.
But it still may result in love.
I have to go now.
Fun is calling.
Good Night all
No one has been able to define love, yet. Because there are simply a multitude of emotions attached to it, so many that 'love' itself is lost in that amalgam of emotions.
I don't see how. Explain please.
Those peculiar combination of emotions can be called "madness" in short.
Emotion is of little value in real life. It rarely causes success in anything.
Arranged marriages where partners don't know each other before (therefore, no chance of having fallen in love).
@alpha
Willpower is the first step to success. But I'm sure we are not talking here about materialistic success. 'Success in love' is a superficial objective of success, sorry to say.
Innocent emotions? Well,indulgement in sexual fantasies all day and night about the lover (which ALL lovers actually do, I read this in a psycology book) is not something actually 'innocent'. Sorry for being so direct, but its a fact. Their emotions are too selfless and superficial to be of any real benefit to them. What will they get, by thinking SO much about the other person? I do not see any real or materialistic benefit.
i think in this topic we nned to remeber
love is not = infatuation
they both are 2 different things . and most of the time infatuation is misunderstood as love !
u can have many crushes but true love is is very rare
n when we talk about marriage and love i hope we are referring to true love and not infatuation
Innocent emotions? Well,indulgement in sexual fantasies all day and night about the lover (which ALL lovers actually do, I read this in a psycology book) is not something actually 'innocent'.
Welcome to the debate section!!!
By the way, I agree with you. That's the purpose of marriage, after all.
, Alpha you got me reading a romantic novel. ::)
Loving every word of it :P
Success in love is not about finding it, but maintaining it. How can life be complete if together with the material, we don't achieve the immaterial as well?
I said emotions are innocent, they just happen, because they are biologically trained to. Our culture often intervenes with our biological nature.
It's true they keep thinking about someone in particular, their mind cannot control everything.
What they get? :)
Everything that helps to make of them a better, happier person for whom life has a greater meaning. I said love happens many times, but we choose one person out of the many. And it's integrity, if we cannot think romantically about anyone else except that one person. Someone who makes a difference; someone for whom we can make a difference; someone when with together, life itself is different. Someone we give ourselves to. With no conditions and no exceptions.
You don't see the benefit. True, what we don't see is always better. No wonder people miss the most beautiful part of life.
And due to this very reason, love for another guy/girl will CONSUME the person concerned, that too, without any personal benefit for the person. He/she will always think about his/her lover, neglecting his/her studies, business or work in case of a grown up man, and other very important tasks.
they both are 2 different things . and most of the time infatuation is misunderstood as love !
u can have many crushes but true love is is very rare
You don't see the benefit. True, what we don't see is always better. No wonder people miss the most beautiful part of life.
Media influence again.
LOL! She gonna kill you! ;D
I just hope for a happy life..lol I can't think anymore abt marriage
And By the way, that made me think...
Every night in my dreams...
I see you...
I feel you...
That is how I know you...
Media influence again.
Goodness, I'm packing up.
You ought rejoice. :P
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Since past 15 mins.
its wrong anyway..went for a minute
Of course. :P
Goodness, I'm packing up.
Look, I am NOT against love. I do not despise love, as you seem to think. In fact, I myself love many things. For example, money, wealth and business, house, family etc etc etc. Love is a strong emotion indeed. This strong emotion IS necessary for someone to achieve something.
BUT and a BIG BUT, when this love becomes for something which is NOT beneficial, this is very illogical, foolish and something to be despised of. A very good example of this is the love for another girl/guy. My point is, love for money and business is understandable and plausible, since they are beneficial to you. But love for another girl/guy? Its not. What will you get by loving that guy/girl? NOTHING. As I said, love is a strong emotion. And due to this very reason, love for another guy/girl will CONSUME the person concerned, that too, without any personal benefit for the person. He/she will always think about his/her lover, neglecting his/her studies, business or work in case of a grown up man, and other very important tasks.
Got it now?
You speak abt it as if you have found it. ::)
lol !! then u got to read my posts again !! :P
You spoke as if a thing called true love exists... ::)
You watch way too much romantic movies... ::)
It exists, without me watching romantic movies ::)
Depends on whether you believe in it or not....
My parents love each other....truly.I'm sure abt that ::)
You are like a stubborn 4 year old kid who's sure that Santa exists.. ::)
Human beings are always sure.. That's where all the problem lies. ::)
I don't know about Santa...haven't received presents during Christmas :P
You will realize when you experience...in fact you can learn from others' experiences...I see my parents and believe there's a thing called true love...
nvm ::)
Whatever: Is a woman's way of saying GO TO HELL
Does your mind have a meter to measure the amount of love? ::) So when you are too much excited.. The meter goes ding.. and That's your true love? ::)
I know this shrink..... ::)
Huh? ::)
Look, I am NOT against love. I do not despise love, as you seem to think. In fact, I myself love many things. For example, money, wealth and business, house, family etc etc etc. Love is a strong emotion indeed. This strong emotion IS necessary for someone to achieve something.
BUT and a BIG BUT, when this love becomes for something which is NOT beneficial, this is very illogical, foolish and something to be despised of. A very good example of this is the love for another girl/guy. My point is, love for money and business is understandable and plausible, since they are beneficial to you.
But love for another girl/guy? Its not. What will you get by loving that guy/girl? NOTHING. As I said, love is a strong emotion. And due to this very reason, love for another guy/girl will CONSUME the person concerned, that too, without any personal benefit for the person. He/she will always think about his/her lover, neglecting his/her studies, business or work in case of a grown up man, and other very important tasks.
See, its same in your case. Your above statements conflict with each other. ::)
LOL! She gonna kill you! ;D
I asked her once if she had ever really fallen in love with someone since I noticed that she was expert on the topic from the other debates. Her quick answer was a "No". This all must've been her research from childhood. So, a PhD might've a good prospect! ;D
It does not matter whose influence it is. The essence of the problem is the influence itself. Giving the alibi of "media" is not a plausible excuse.
I'm talking about real life love and fantasy.
No wonder people miss the most beautiful part of life.
How do you know this is the most beautiful part of life? ::) You talk as if you were an 80 year old woman on her death bed. ::) This is .... As you said.. Too much media influence.. ::) Stop watching the movies which show love as the most beautiful part of life. ::)
You don't have to watch stupid movies.
Just look around you fool! What is this world without love?!
What do you consider as the most beautiful part of life?
I don't need a biased perspective. ::)
No wonder people miss the most beautiful part of life.
How do you know this is the most beautiful part of life? ::) You talk as if you were an 80 year old woman on her death bed. ::) This is .... As you said.. Too much media influence.. ::) Stop watching the movies which show love as the most beautiful part of life. ::)
Some one and a half century is enough to realize that.
I didn't spend whole days in front of the big screen.
What do you consider the most beautiful part of life?
ME!!!!!! ;D
You need a shrink.
So how did you know? ::)
I don't think so. ::)
I got eyes and a brain.
So, your eyes and brain tell you love is the best part of life? ::)
I applaud both.. your eyes and brain. :D :D
I applaud yours too. They should be conserved in a museum.
From outside the circle, you can derive a more impartial opinion.
Yeah, it's true. I've never engaged myself into any romantic relationship. Just ran away from it.
Before debating, I would like to get an answer of this question - How are you so sure and confident that your opinion is impartial and 100% correct? I emphasize, its just an opinion of you, and opinions are often wrong. How am I to debate with a person who adopts a "know all" attitude and has her mind set and fixed over just an 'opinion'?
And if that weren't enough, I myself have never 'fallen in love' with anyone or anything like that. That means I too have an "impartial opinion" about this issue and I'm 100% correct, since I'm viewing it from 'outside the circle', isn't it? I don't think it this way. I may be wrong. you may be right. But my neutral judgement tells me that you're wrong.
You deserve a prize!!!! ;D
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You spoke as if a thing called true love exists... ::)
You watch way too much romantic movies... ::)
I have to spread the love first... Last person I +repped was you.
What about me. I was the one who started this thread.
i feel like a unsung hero.