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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: Saladin on April 21, 2010, 03:04:33 pm
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When you get married, what type of person would you want to get married to? A simple question, but I am sure, this questions will pose many complications in your mind...... ::)
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Daammnit I didnt get to knw that many women to answer this question >:(
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Daammnit I didnt get to knw that many women to answer this question >:(
I warned ppl of the complications.
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Someone intelligent, who has a vast knowledge of history and science with a will to explore and discuss an innumerable number of topics.
But thats just me :-\
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Someone intelligent, who has a vast knowledge of history and science with a will to explore and discuss an innumerable number of topics.
But thats just me :-\
And that precisely is called loving yourself way tooo much.
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And that precisely is called loving yourself way tooo much.
Dude, you seem to have a real axe to grind with me. What's your issue ?
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shush the two of you
I want someone who is caring, loves ppl & animals. Someone who is smart, adventurous,entertaining with a good sense of humor someone who can make me fall in love with him ;D :P
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My sig says it all :P lol JK :P
That will take time. But, want that person not to be a womanizer (very difficult to find one especially in these days), religious, HONEST I hate lying so wish I get married to someone truthful and never lies. People who lie a lot are sick, so get well soon. Funny, caring, loving, loyal, unique, doesn't show off, defends me, not a Chicken >> Hero. Ready to take challenges, say his opinion without being scared or ashamed, strong, not necessarily physically, just in personality. Likes hugs because that is what I always do to people, hug them (I don't care if you think I am weird), doesn't get angry easily because I am a bit short tempered at times. Educated, mature, responsible, reliable, treats his family very well since this shows how he will be treating me.
I don't care about money I am rich thanks god, but he should be able to afford starting a family.
Too much to ask yes? Such people only exist in my dreams. :P Wanted to write more, but just stopped.
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My sig says it all :P lol JK :P
That will take time. But, want that person not to be a womanizer (very difficult to find one especially in these days), religious, HONEST I hate lying so wish I get married to someone truthful and never lies. People who lie a lot are sick, so get well soon. Funny, caring, loving, loyal, unique, doesn't show off, defends me, not a Chicken >> Hero. Ready to take challenges, say his opinion without being scared or ashamed, strong, not necessarily physically, just in personality. Likes hugs because that is what I always do to people, hug them (I don't care if you think I am weird), doesn't get angry easily because I am a bit short tempered at times. Educated, mature, responsible, reliable, treats his family very well since this shows how he will be treating me.
I don't care about money I am rich thanks god, but he should be able to afford starting a family.
Too much to ask yes? Such people only exist in my dreams. :P Wanted to write more, but just stopped.
FINALLY!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Shoshou is in the Debates section, and this time, for real. ;)
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hahahaha...I posted also in other threads in debates! :D
Now, you start posting about your prince charming Alpha. This should be called the "dreaming" thread. :P
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shush the two of you
I want someone who is caring, loves ppl & animals. Someone who is smart, adventurous,entertaining with a good sense of humor someone who can make me fall in love with him ;D :P
That is going to be hard.
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hahahaha...I posted also in other threads in debates! :D
Now, you start posting about your prince charming Alpha. This should be called the "dreaming" thread. :P
Nothing much... He should just be someone I can love... :)
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My sig says it all :P lol JK :P
That will take time. But, want that person not to be a womanizer (very difficult to find one especially in these days), religious, HONEST I hate lying so wish I get married to someone truthful and never lies. People who lie a lot are sick, so get well soon. Funny, caring, loving, loyal, unique, doesn't show off, defends me, not a Chicken >> Hero. Ready to take challenges, say his opinion without being scared or ashamed, strong, not necessarily physically, just in personality. Likes hugs because that is what I always do to people, hug them (I don't care if you think I am weird), doesn't get angry easily because I am a bit short tempered at times. Educated, mature, responsible, reliable, treats his family very well since this shows how he will be treating me.
I don't care about money I am rich thanks god, but he should be able to afford starting a family.
Too much to ask yes? Such people only exist in my dreams. :P Wanted to write more, but just stopped.
I like hugs.
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Nothing much... He should just be someone I can love... :)
And what characteristics would your true love have??
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And what characteristics would your true love have??
Tbh, I could go on adding adjectives... but I can bet my life, my whole perception would change later on.
Honestly, I don't know yet... Will tell you when I meet my true love. ;)
For now, just that I should be able to love him.
@ Shoshou,
Like hugs too. :)
Always keep hugging my Mum... for no reason in the world. Hugs are sometimes magical. :)
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Since I heard a lot of people's let me tell you mine.
I would want a bond, an everlasting friendship, between that person, and I want genuine feelings. I want someone who will be an honest woman, will take care of me, and my children, and love me for who I am.
I want someones, who is interesting to talk to, and someone who has similar interests as me. Someone, who is religeos, and does not give into temptation, someone loyal.
And I would like someone, who is goofy, funny, and light hearted, and knows how to forgive someone.
I would like someone, who is educated and also loves to teach children that are not her own.
I would also like a person who is socially responsible, and is not changed by the bad habbits of society, a leader.
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Tbh, I could go on adding adjectives... but I can bet my life, my whole perception would change later on.
Honestly, I don't know yet... Will tell you when I meet my true love. ;)
For now, just that I should be able to love him.
@ Shoshou,
Like hugs too. :)
Always keep hugging my Mum... for no reason in the world. Hugs are sometimes magical. :)
That is a very wise reply. You never know who you meet, and who becomes your compannion for life. But one this is certain, I think you will want a happy life with that person.
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That is a very wise reply. You never know who you meet, and who becomes your compannion for life. But one this is certain, I think you will want a happy life with that person.
The aim is not to have a happy life together... but to work towards it so that life together is happy. :)
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The aim is not to have a happy life together... but to work towards it so that life together is happy. :)
Precisely, you will want, desire, and srtive for, happiness in your lives, and in that relationship.
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Since I heard a lot of people's let me tell you mine.
I would want a bond, an everlasting friendship, between that person, and I want genuine feelings. I want someone who will be an honest woman, will take care of me, and my children, and love me for who I am.
I want someones, who is interesting to talk to, and someone who has similar interests as me. Someone, who is religeos, and does not give into temptation, someone loyal.
And I would like someone, who is goofy, funny, and light hearted, and knows how to forgive someone.
I would like someone, who is educated and also loves to teach children that are not her own.
I would also like a person who is socially responsible, and is not changed by the bad habbits of society, a leader.
Yes, we all want the perfect person... But when perfect love comes, it's stronger than the critical eye for flaws. ;)
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Precisely, you will want, desire, and srtive for, happiness in your lives, and in that relationship.
But will work only if it's mutual.
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That is going to be hard.
For me to fall in love with someone is hard indeed... :-\
I like your criteria
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Perfection is impossible to attain....
That is my humble belief.
I never wanted someone perfect, I lived with almost perfect people alpha, and I did not like it. I just want a good person, to be comprehensive.
But I simply wanted to highlight the characteristics that I admire.
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But will work only if it's mutual.
Mutual, that goes without saying, love is a mutual relationship,
and @nid: Would you be happy with someone, morally, itellectually and pretty much in every other way superior to you, or would you like a person on the same level.
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Perfection is impossible to attain....
That is my humble belief.
Perfection is even impossible to define, let alone attain...
I never wanted someone perfect, I lived with almost perfect people alpha, and I did not like it. I just want a good person, to be comprehensive.
But I simply wanted to highlight the characteristics that I admire.
And yes, I did get that. ;)
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Mutual, that goes without saying, love is a mutual relationship,
and @nid: Would you be happy with someone, morally, itellectually and pretty much in every other way superior to you, or would you like a person on the same level.
Not always... Wishes do not all come true.
Nor do we all wish the same.
Time for me to go, been really nice spending some time with you people. :)
Take Care & Be Blessed. :)
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Perfection is even impossible to define, let alone attain...
And yes, I did get that. ;)
I dont find it so hard to define, the question is whether you accept that definition.
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I dont find it so hard to define, the question is whether you accept that definition.
You did define above what qualities you think make up perfection.
The answer is whether we all have the same dictionary. :D ;)
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Mutual, that goes without saying, love is a mutual relationship,
and @nid: Would you be happy with someone, morally, itellectually and pretty much in every other way superior to you, or would you like a person on the same level.
I will be more than happy. He may be superior but he will never make me feel he is. I would love such a company, learning from each other is also what I would look for in our everlasting relationship :)
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I will be more than happy. He may be superior but he will never make me feel he is. I would love such a company, learning from each other is also what I would look for in our everlasting relationship :)
Just one question... I hope for an honest answer.
And if he was inferior?
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You did define above what qualities you think make up perfection.
The answer is whether we all have the same dictionary. :D ;)
This is my view, perfection is a personnified word, it matters to each one differently. To me, something, to someone else, something else.
It personnifies, your aspirations, and what you would like to be, what you believe would make an Ideal human being.
And, no I did not define....
I do not view perfection like that....
You are wise, but you are also hasty to judge, i mean no offence.
Good luck in your life, may it be one with both peace, sorrow and adventure, for if it were only peaceful, you would get bored.
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Just one question... I hope for an honest answer.
And if he was inferior?
No problem...whether it is in terms of wealth or for that matter intellectually inferior, I don't mind. I just want him by my side.. forever :)
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I am proud to have had such a moving time with you all, a time of great internal discovery. I hope to see you again.
Until next time, this is The Dude 321 logging off, good night everyone.
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Good night :)
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I am proud to have had such a moving time with you all, a time of great internal discovery. I hope to see you again.
Until next time, this is The Dude 321 logging off, good night everyone.
Good Night, we will all miss you. All the best.
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And to add to my list...I want someone humble and someone who respects women and elders
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Either,
I would like her to be just like me. Would like her to think, act and everything like me.
OR,
I would like her to be completely opposite to me. Would like her to think, act and everything just opposite me.
Nothing in between.
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Either,
I would like her to be just like me. Would like her to think, act and everything like me.
OR,
I would like her to be completely opposite to me. Would like her to think, act and everything just opposite me.
Nothing in between.
wooooot :o
lol...ok :P
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I would give her complete freedom from everything. She would be free to do as she likes. But I should be free from the so-called 'suspicions'. What I mean is that, we should completely and blindly trust each other. At least I would. So would like her to do the same too.
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uh..she would be free to do anything? like to talk to other men ? I think a husband must have a word on his wife. ::)
"blindly trust each other"..this would never work for me..because I trust no guys.
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wooooot :o
lol...ok :P
Preferable the first option! :P
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This is my view, perfection is a personnified word, it matters to each one differently. To me, something, to someone else, something else.
It personnifies, your aspirations, and what you would like to be, what you believe would make an Ideal human being.
And, no I did not define....
I do not view perfection like that....
You said perfection is personified… So then, it depends on an individual’s viewpoint?
And the qualities you defined are what you are looking for in your future partner?
And the one who has the above mentioned qualities will suit you well, better than any other girl?
And if you are ready to forsake the rest of the world’s girls for this special hypothetical one, she’s gonna be your one of six billion?
And if she fits in exactly, to your expectations, aspirations, and desires, is she not the perfect one?
Is it not your idea of ‘perfection’? Since it’s yours, and only yours…
You are wise, but you are also hasty to judge, i mean no offence.
No offense on comments. I don’t mind them.
The courage to speak frankly is rare, frankly speaking. :D
Good luck in your life, may it be one with both peace, sorrow and adventure, for if it were only peaceful, you would get bored.
Good Luck too… And may you be able to define your destiny so that you do not get bored. ;)
By the way, can I ask how you changed the colour of your nick? Black is really nice.
No problem...whether it is in terms of wealth or for that matter intellectually inferior, I don't mind. I just want him by my side.. forever :)
Together… forever. :)
I would look for it too.
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Too early to think about marriage..Really..We literally got NO experience in life...We haven't "socialized" enough..
Way too early guys :P
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I know people who got married at that age and what experience do you want to have? A relationship for example?
Dude, we are not young. In this age people before us did a lot.
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Dude, we are not young. In this age people before us did a lot.
lol..:P
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Preferable the first option! :P
yea? ::)
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lol..:P
::)
At least I do and I am only 16. :P
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I know people who got married at that age and what experience do you want to have? A relationship for example?
Dude, we are not young. In this age people before us did a lot.
lol No..I do not want a relationship Shoshou..
And YES..we are young..Whether you like it or not..And by experience i mean life experience, how to handle problems, how to be patient..I have seen marriages deteriorating , couples breaking, eyes tearing, hearts shattering..
Marriage is not just LOVE. It is way more than that.Thats my opinion after all.
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lol No..I do not want a relationship Shoshou..
And YES..we are young..Whether you like it or not..And by experience i mean life experience, how to handle problems, how to be patient..I have seen marriages deteriorating , couples breaking, eyes tearing, hearts shattering..
Marriage is not just LOVE. It is way more than that.Thats my opinion after all.
Agreed...I'm not in for it now
But I am big enough to say what kind of husband I want...altho i don't want one now
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Agreed...I'm not in for it now
But I am big enough to say what kind of husband I want...altho i don't want one now
Well Said
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I didn't say we get married now, but I am just commenting on you saying "TOO EARLY" because it is just a matter of years.
Plus, I didn't say marriage is just about love. How come the people before us used to get married so early and still have a great life? I believe that I am a very mature person, don't like to say that I am young because I know I am not. I know I will still learn more in life but I don't put in my mind such things that I am young acting like a total loser.
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I didn't say we get married now, but I am just commenting on you saying "TOO EARLY" because it is just a matter of years.
Plus, I didn't say marriage is just about love. How come the people before us used to get married so early and still have a great life? I believe that I am a very mature person, don't like to say that I am young because I know I am not. I know I will still learn more in life but I don't put in my mind such things that I am young acting like a total loser.
Time Changes..People Change... Marriages Change... Thats why in the past when young people married their life worked out to be perfect..And perhaps you are right..After all for every rule there is an exception..
Plus the word "young" does not mean immature..There is a big difference..Adults can be immature sometimes..I am sure you are mature enough..Maybe even more than mature..Brilliant..But as I said..NO EXPERIENCE..
And I didn't ask you to act like a total loser..Being Young is not being a loser..As i said..big difference between young and immature..
Anyways THATS my opinion after all! :P lol
So don't get mad at me! :P
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>:( >:( > JK :P haha, Why will I be mad?
What I am saying that it is not too early to decide on the qualities of your future husband/wife. We didn't say that when we were in grade 7 or grade 9 deciding in which University to go to we were just 12-13 this means 6-5 years ago.
At this age we start planning for our future life. If we keep putting in our minds that we are still young to think or decide then no target to work towards.
Saying to yourself you are young will sometimes cause you to act immature because you believe it is very early to decide on serious matters. =]
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lol haha u were mad :P 4m the way u wrote i knew u were, and i didnt say you couldnt decide on the qualifications, nid said that and i agreed!? any ways good luck with finding ur prince charming, if u didnt already :P lol
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No, I wasn't mad. Really.
And yes Nid agreed, but you didn't at first. You said "ITS TOO EARLY" BLAH! :P
Thank you. Good Luck for you too.=]
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No, I wasn't mad. Really.
And yes Nid agreed, but you didn't at first. You said "ITS TOO EARLY" BLAH! :P
Thank you. Good Luck for you too.=]
?I dont need it 8) girls will come after me 8) Lol! :P JK!?Thanks anyways :D
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?I dont need it 8) girls will come after me 8) Lol! :P JK!?Thanks anyways :D
*ahem*
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*ahem*
haha
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It's a bit early to jump in the ocean of marriage. We don't yet know exactly what is conceals. Maturity also means accepting what you do not know, for mature people can overcome shame and face reality.
Just tell yourself that Life is a teacher. It changes; the teacher changes lessons every time. When you'll have accumulated the appropriate material, you'll be ready for the final exams. ;)
And don't forget that marriage shouldn't be something new, but more, something that will last for ever.
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I want some one who is good Mulimah. And ofcrse beautiful, afterall at least one has to be a good looking in a couple
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I want some one who is good Mulimah. And ofcrse beautiful, afterall at least one has to be a good looking in a couple
otherwise how will u have cute kids...no? :D :D
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@Alpha:
An utterly shocking fact I just read in the '5000 amazing fact dictionary':
70% of girls get married before the age of 18 in Bangladesh. :o
Actually, its true. Girls in villages get married at a very early age here. And its considered something normal by the poor people who live in villages. ::) Things are changing now though. ;)
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@Shoshou:
I see no reason why that should be considered abnormal. My grandma got married no later that 13. And my maternal grandma got married, according to my mom, at only 9. :o
Yea its no way considered normal at present times. But it was (and still is, to some extent) considered normal by people back then.
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I don't have much criteria in mind for her except for being a little pretty and cute looking... Like I don't require her to love me or something like that. Maybe, i won't be able to devote much time for her after all. ::) :-[
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I don't have much criteria in mind for her except for being a little pretty and cute looking... Like I don't require her to love me or something like that. Maybe, i won't be able to devote much time for her after all. ::) :-[
You don't want her to love you :o
You'll find one very easily then... :P
If you can't devote time...why marry? ::) lol jk
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@ nid : lets hope so. But u can unfortunately get stuck within complexity of genetics
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You don't want her to love you :o
You'll find one very easily then... :P
If you can't devote time...why marry? ::) lol jk
require* :P ::)
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@Alpha:
An utterly shocking fact I just read in the '5000 amazing fact dictionary':
70% of girls get married before the age of 18 in Bangladesh. :o
Actually, its true. Girls in villages get married at a very early age here. And its considered something normal by the poor people who live in villages. ::) Things are changing now though. ;)
After this kind of speech, I love to hear the divorce rate/ domestic violence rate. ::)
Or maternal death.
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'Love' to hear?! :P
I do NOT support child marriage. Nor was I saying we should marry at such young ages. ::) I was just pointing out at the fact that it is something normal, in the village areas of some countries to marry at very young ages, which seemed to be shocking to you and many others here. ;) ::)
Of course, I don't support that. Chances of divorce, and other problems are high.
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@Shoshou:
I see no reason why that should be considered abnormal. My grandma got married no later that 13. And my maternal grandma got married, according to my mom, at only 9. :o
Yea its no way considered normal at present times. But it was (and still is, to some extent) considered normal by people back then.
What? Actually I am the only one here who is saying it's normal. check my posts.
Perhaps you meant Nid or AF. ::)
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What? Actually I am the only one here who is saying it's normal. check my posts.
Perhaps you meant Nid or AF. ::)
Oops. yes, I meant it for nid and AF especially.
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I need a hero
I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the end of the night
He’s gotta be strong
He’s gotta be fast
He’s gotta be fresh from the fight
And he’s gotta be sure..<3
*ahem* :P ::)
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None of us said it was not normal...we just expressed our views against the very normal...I think that's absolutely ok
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'Love' to hear?! :P
I do NOT support child marriage. Nor was I saying we should marry at such young ages. ::) I was just pointing out at the fact that it is something normal, in the village areas of some countries to marry at very young ages, which seemed to be shocking to you and many others here. ;) ::)
Of course, I don't support that. Chances of divorce, and other problems are high.
Hehe... He does not want to divulge the rates I asked. :P
I didn't say it's shocking, I just said it's... given circumstances... not 'logical'.
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I don't have much criteria in mind for her except for being a little pretty and cute looking... Like I don't require her to love me or something like that. Maybe, i won't be able to devote much time for her after all. ::) :-[
I can't understand this too... Then, if a girl hates you as her worst enemy, you'll force her to marry you? :P
By the way, where is Omer? I don't see him posting these days... esp. in Debates Section; he was one of the top posters.
Additional question:
What type of husband/ wife do you think YOU will make?
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Lol, I have no idea about the statistics! :P but I guess they should be medium as far as I can see.
I fully agree its not logical. Of course its not.
Now back to the topic: Girls and Ladies, what qualities would you look for in your man?
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*ahem* :P ::)
Guys! stop quoting that! everyone is telling me about it ::) LOOOOL..It is just a song I like..nothing more. I don't need a hero now..lol :P
I want him to be generous and gives a lot to charity :D
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Lol, I have no idea about the statistics! :P but I guess they should be medium as far as I can see.
I fully agree its not logical. Of course its not.
Now back to the topic: Girls and Ladies, what qualities would you look for in your man?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I can't help laughing... :D :D :D
Check this: Girls and Ladies, what qualities would you look for in your man?
Gender discrimination, and why not ask the boys? :D
My father tells me:
The day you'll marry, I'll cry....
I'll cry......
I'll cry a lot for the guy who marries you. :D
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Miss Alpha, we boys are free to express ourselves. :P Like I expressed that I don't have much criteria for her except for being a little cute and pretty! ;D
You and many others say ambiguous things like 'just someone I can love', 'anyone'. Why don't girls try being a little more specific?! ::)
Its NOT discrimination! ;)
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Mr Borakk, we girls are realistic. :P
Just like I told The Dude earlier, it's not of great importance to pile up a list of adjectives here, since anyway, they're gonna change with time...
Alright...
For now,
Caring, caring, caring. :)
Loving, loving and loving. :)
That should be enough for now. :P
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Mr Borakk, we girls are realistic. :P
If that's so... Why don't you get your facts straight?! ::)
Just like I told The Dude earlier, it's not of great importance to pile up a list of adjectives here, since anyway, they're gonna change with time...
This topic is for discussing your opinions and requirements about your dream man, at present! :P
Alright...
For now,
Caring, caring, caring.
Loving, loving and loving.
That should be enough for now.
That's too general... ;)
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Guys! stop quoting that! everyone is telling me about it ::) LOOOOL..It is just a song I like..nothing more. I don't need a hero now..lol :P
I want him to be generous and gives a lot to charity :D
hehe, I find that song funny for a signature! ;D :P
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Guys! stop quoting that! everyone is telling me about it ::) LOOOOL..It is just a song I like..nothing more. I don't need a hero now..lol :P
My sig says it all :P lol :P
::) ::) ::) :P
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You said perfection is personified… So then, it depends on an individual’s viewpoint?
And the qualities you defined are what you are looking for in your future partner?
And the one who has the above mentioned qualities will suit you well, better than any other girl?
And if you are ready to forsake the rest of the world’s girls for this special hypothetical one, she’s gonna be your one of six billion?
And if she fits in exactly, to your expectations, aspirations, and desires, is she not the perfect one?
Is it not your idea of ‘perfection’? Since it’s yours, and only yours…
No offense on comments. I don’t mind them.
The courage to speak frankly is rare, frankly speaking. :D
Good Luck too… And may you be able to define your destiny so that you do not get bored. ;)
By the way, can I ask how you changed the colour of your nick? Black is really nice.
Together… forever. :)
I would look for it too.
A logical approach, but this decision is far more emotional than logical, that is what makes it adventerous. You see, you never know who turns out to be who, a perfect bride often turns out to be the perfect nightmare.
Now the idea of perfection, is it not viewable in different angles, know I would not want the perfect peanut butter and jelly sandwich to be funny, goofy, etc. Now would I? Or would I? Its hard to tell, because destiny is not for us to decide.
Now yes, I have said perfection is a matter of taste. And what you have done through that argument is simply re-instate logically what I compactly said, perfection is a personnification of the unattainable. What you would want that person to be....
And when you ban yourself, your name gets black. LOL
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Mr Borakk, we girls are realistic. :P
Just like I told The Dude earlier, it's not of great importance to pile up a list of adjectives here, since anyway, they're gonna change with time...
Alright...
For now,
Caring, caring, caring. :)
Loving, loving and loving. :)
That should be enough for now. :P
I assure u alpha, most girls are not very realistic, atleast not the ones here.
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@Alpha's post in page 5:
Oops, I didn't notice your post! ;) And the quote button is not working for me. :(
If a girl hates me as her worst enemy, I would not marry her. Common sense! :P There are many, and much better girls than her after all. She's not the only one. And I've got no right to force her into anything.
What I meant is that, I don't have any criterias in mind like you say 'someone I would love' etc. 'Love' is a generalized word after all. And I'm not much clear what it means. I wouldn't even know if she loves me. And she would have no idea if I love her.
"What type of husband or wife do you think you will make?"
Husband* :P
I would give her what she wants. Like expensive cars, jewellery, food and everything. She should, and will undoubtedly, love me for that.
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@Alpha's post in page 5:
Oops, I didn't notice your post! ;) And the quote button is not working for me. :(
If a girl hates me as her worst enemy, I would not marry her. Common sense! :P There are many, and much better girls than her after all. She's not the only one. And I've got no right to force her into anything.
What I meant is that, I don't have any criterias in mind like you say 'someone I would love' etc. 'Love' is a generalized word after all. And I'm not much clear what it means. I wouldn't even know if she loves me. And she would have no idea if I love her.
"What type of husband or wife do you think you will make?"
Husband* :P
I would give her what she wants. Like expensive cars, jewellery, food and everything. She should, and will undoubtedly, love me for that.
Always the commedian. Keep it up.
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@stylish-yes you haven't really understood love. If a girl loves you for your wealth, it means she loves only your wealth...ur only her means to get to what she wants. Marriage is not above giving and taking...it's about sharing :)
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::) ::) ::) :P
You missed the part were I said "JK". I know you removed it. =P
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@Shoshou: Wooh, you've got a sharp memory! :P :D
@Dude 321: Though I seem to have mixed a little humour in my previous post, I was serious at the substance.
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@Nid:
Giving and taking = sharing as far as I can understand in the realistic sense.
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Uhm....that's how you view it....ohk...no further comments then. :-X
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he was jokin dude
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So, it was not a joke???
I really like it when you joke, it makes debates more lively.
But I think I understand that whoever you want to marry, you will love dearly.
I dont think you want to 'buy love' rite???
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Yes I will love her dearly or so I hope to. But I was just trying to say that it is normal and a basic instinct of human to like a life partner who has more money and wealth. No matter what someone may say, deep down, this is the case. And I'm not blaming it. Its perfectly normal and healthy to do so in my opinion.
Therefore, rather than saying philosophical stuffs, it would be better if everybody in this debate REALLY said what their opinion really is (like I freely expressed what I think in my previous post).
And therefore, it has been proved by the above assertions that, it is possible to buy love. Just like buying everything else. We will all be buying love, whether we realize this or not. I will, at least.
Again: All of the above is perfectly normal and healthy.
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A logical approach, but this decision is far more emotional than logical, that is what makes it adventerous. You see, you never know who turns out to be who, a perfect bride often turns out to be the perfect nightmare.
Now the idea of perfection, is it not viewable in different angles, know I would not want the perfect peanut butter and jelly sandwich to be funny, goofy, etc. Now would I? Or would I? Its hard to tell, because destiny is not for us to decide.
Now yes, I have said perfection is a matter of taste. And what you have done through that argument is simply re-instate logically what I compactly said, perfection is a personnification of the unattainable. What you would want that person to be....
And when you ban yourself, your name gets black. LOL
He said everything, except: Yeah, that was my view of perfection. ;D
Okay, I know, perfection will differ for different things... But we're talking of only one of those, a life-partner. ;)
Oh, so you've just been banning and reinstating yourself. :P
I assure u alpha, most girls are not very realistic, atleast not the ones here.
I assure you too, girls can be very realistic when they have to.
Always the commedian. Keep it up.
Partly agree, Borakk is just talking now. We'll see when he acts later. ;)
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@Alpha's post in page 5:
Oops, I didn't notice your post! ;) And the quote button is not working for me. :(
If a girl hates me as her worst enemy, I would not marry her. Common sense! :P There are many, and much better girls than her after all. She's not the only one. And I've got no right to force her into anything.
What I meant is that, I don't have any criterias in mind like you say 'someone I would love' etc. 'Love' is a generalized word after all. And I'm not much clear what it means. I wouldn't even know if she loves me. And she would have no idea if I love her.
"What type of husband or wife do you think you will make?"
Husband* :P
I would give her what she wants. Like expensive cars, jewellery, food and everything. She should, and will undoubtedly, love me for that.
You said there was no need for her to love you...
Ah, so your choice will be extended to everyone, not just one special you would want to marry.
By the way, you are not the only who can give her expensive cars, jewellery, food, and all. Then, your ideal should marry a prince, rather than you. :P
Frankly, do you find it logical and normal that somebody marries you for what you have and not what you are? There are so many richer persons in the world, then why would she marry YOU? If somebody just takes away all your money, or you are bankrupt, then will there be no reason a girl would marry you?
@Nid:
Giving and taking = sharing as far as I can understand in the realistic sense.
My sense tells me Nid was right... Giving and taking >>> A Deal. A transaction, an exchange. You take BECAUSE you give.
Sharing > Giving because you want to give, and not expecting anything in return.
You give somebody a piece of bread, and takes one in return.
You share your own bread with her, and her with you, when you have none.
It's certainly not the same.
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Were I joking in my posts?! :o :o ??? If you think I was, I better not make a fool out of myself and get outta here.
Therefore, I'm out of this debate. Continue everybody. I bet if I was joking in my posts, all of you were too.
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He said everything, except: Yeah, that was my view of perfection. ;D
Okay, I know, perfection will differ for different things... But we're talking of only one of those, a life-partner. ;)
Oh, so you've just been banning and reinstating yourself. :P
I assure you too, girls can be very realistic when they have to.
Partly agree, Borakk is just talking now. We'll see when he acts later. ;)
What are you trying to prove or disprove..... ???
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Were I joking in my posts?! :o :o ??? If you think I was, I better not make a fool out of myself and get outta here.
Therefore, I'm out of this debate. Continue everybody. I bet if I was joking in my posts, all of you were too.
Do you always need to find reasons to get out of debates??
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What are you trying to prove or disprove..... ???
I just said directly what you implied indirectly. That's all Dude. ;)
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Sorry, ;D
I am more of a straight talk kinda guy, I used to talk in riddles before, in fact I had many gurus, loads of people taught me the art, but I gave it up, cuz at one point, I had to explain to the gurus what I was saying, but now, I realize this, things are felt best when said simply.
Like: I hate u, clearly implies that u hate him.
Unlike: the tail never stalks the bird, but silently, and solemnly watches over in glare.
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Sorry, ;D
I am more of a straight talk kinda guy, I used to talk in riddles before, in fact I had many gurus, loads of people taught me the art, but I gave it up, cuz at one point, I had to explain to the gurus what I was saying, but now, I realize this, things are felt best when said simply.
Like: I hate u, clearly implies that u hate him.
Unlike: the tail never stalks the bird, but silently, and solemnly watches over in glare.
No problem... :)
I am beginning to understand your language.
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No problem... :)
I am beginning to understand your language.
Em, thanks I guess...... *feeling confused*
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Em, thanks I guess...... *feeling confused*
No, no. I spoke plainly ( ;)) my thoughts, direct and clear.
No room for confusion. :)
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Will take a while to get used to, the alpha, I am used to talks very philosophically and with much though.
That seemed too simple. LOL
hehehe
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Too simple, and yet, this time, I didn't get your meaning.
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Too simple, and yet, this time, I didn't get your meaning.
No, its just that what you say is not always very simple, so I make a habbit of understanding anything of deeper meaning when it comes from you, thats all.
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No, its just that what you say is not always very simple, so I make a habbit of understanding anything of deeper meaning when it comes from you, thats all.
With much thought* ;)
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hehehe
I type really fast. LOL
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You said there was no need for her to love you...
Ah, so your choice will be extended to everyone, not just one special you would want to marry.
By the way, you are not the only who can give her expensive cars, jewellery, food, and all. Then, your ideal should marry a prince, rather than you. :P
Frankly, do you find it logical and normal that somebody marries you for what you have and not what you are? There are so many richer persons in the world, then why would she marry YOU? If somebody just takes away all your money, or you are bankrupt, then will there be no reason a girl would marry you?
And that is whyy you shouldn't become bankrupt! :P
My sense tells me Nid was right... Giving and taking >>> A Deal. A transaction, an exchange. You take BECAUSE you give.
Sharing > Giving because you want to give, and not expecting anything in return.
You give somebody a piece of bread, and takes one in return.
It's certainly not the same.
I see.... Sharing = gifting then?
Alpha, nowadays, as far as I can see my dad, people 'gifts' him to literally 'take' something...
You share your own bread with her, and her with you, when you have none.
Thats something insane! :P How'd I gift her a bread if I have none?! ::)
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And that is whyy you shouldn't become bankrupt! :P
LOL. :) You guy.
I see.... Sharing = gifting then?
Alpha, nowadays, as far as I can see my dad, people 'gifts' him to literally 'take' something...
That's why you need someone sincere and honest in this world of fools.
Thats something insane! :P How'd I gift her a bread if I have none?! ::)
and her with you, when you have none.
She'll gift you when you have none. :)
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LOL. :) You guy.
Boy* :P
That's why you need someone sincere and honest in this world of fools.
Sincere. But definitely not honest!
and her with you, when you have none.
She'll gift you when you have none.
Seems a nice partnership! But perhaps, she'll be on the more beneficial side! :D
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If that's so... Why don't you get your facts straight?! ::)
This topic is for discussing your opinions and requirements about your dream man, at present! :P
That's too general... ;)
You didn't reply to this...! ::) ::) ::) :P
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Boy* :P
Sincere. But definitely not honest!
Seems a nice partnership! But perhaps, she'll be on the more beneficial side! :D
Why not honest?
You didn't reply to this...! ::) ::) ::) :P
Most important of all, he should love me.
Simple reason: Because I'm not perfect, just like everyone else. :)
To love is different from liking someone. You like someone for the good qualities he or she possesses. In love, there's no bad.
Faithful and honest; if we're going to spend the rest of our lives together, I should be able to trust him, and in return, he should trust me too.
Patient and a little bit persistent; because I'm not among those who will easily blurt out the cause of their worry... I don't impose it on someone else.
Kind, sweet, calm and warm... Someone who cares, because I do.
Romantic, I didn't say flirtatious. Love would fade in the long term else.
Someone with a good sense of humour. Life wouldn't be monotonous.
Somebody with all masculine traits, mixed with a tender touch. Somebody who speaks, not shouts. Somebody who has the courage to apologize when need be. Somebody who makes efforts, does try.
The one who will for ever be my side, even if the whole world is against.
About money, if he isn't rich, I can work. And appearance, if he has all of I mentioned above, wouldn't matter. :)
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I hate honest people. My experience with them are that they are just too proud of their 'honesty', themselves and also have a laidback attitude. No offences please... :-/
I'm not much honest myself. Don't want to be either. But I'll never betray someone or in other words, am fully trustable. And I consider this much 'honesty' of faith to be enough for anything. :) ;)
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I hate honest people. My experience with them are that they are just too proud of their 'honesty', themselves and also have a laidback attitude. No offences please... :-/
I'm not much honest myself. Don't want to be either. But I'll never betray someone or in other words, am fully trustable. And I consider this much 'honesty' of faith to be enough for anything. :) ;)
LOL. Whoa!
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Welcome to the debate section Roxy! :D
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Welcome to the debate section Roxy! :D
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Yeah, I forgot... Calm and dynamic.*
Borakk, then you should hate everybody, your problem is with their show-off. I don't like exaggeration, as well, everything should be natural. Just natural. ;)
Bah, it's just a teenage girl's viewpoint for now. Maybe she'll talk another language after some years...
Welcome Roxy! :)
Something funny: I welcomed someone, was lazy to type it whole, and used WC instead. :D :D
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i hate to disagree but.....i dnt really buy into this love thing. i don't believe in it. although i see everybody around in my family happily married and my parents are as well...i just dnt believe in a person who'd stay there forever..i mean GOD i'd get bored the next year ><. and why would a girl, after getting out of her parents control, like say 21 years old, would go into some other man's control. can't i b normal just by myself? do i have to BELONG to same male so that i am human? and what kind of common sense makes one believe that a man would always see her as the most perfect :/. if he liked u for your looks, their is always the more beautiful...for ur persona? there is always the more confident, smart,etc...!
so WTH. i'll love to live for me and only me. not for some man who'd think just because i have an XY chromosome i'll have to posses qualities like cooking and cleaning. these are not sex linked genes u know!! sry am a bio student :P.
i believe in equality between male and female. marriage destroys everything i believe in. from having his name after your kid's (whom u gave birth to AND raised!) to having him set the rules in the house! when will u ppl b unblinded from that repetitive "love" talk -__-. the only love i'll ever give is to my parents and grandparents, whom very much deserve it!
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i hate to disagree but.....i dnt really buy into this love thing. i don't believe in it. although i see everybody around in my family happily married and my parents are as well...i just dnt believe in a person who'd stay there forever..i mean GOD i'd get bored the next year ><. and why would a girl, after getting out of her parents control, like say 21 years old, would go into some other man's control. can't i b normal just by myself? do i have to BELONG to same male so that i am human? and what kind of common sense makes one believe that a man would always see her as the most perfect :/. if he liked u for your looks, their is always the more beautiful...for ur persona? there is always the more confident, smart,etc...!
For your look, for your persona, that's why love is of importance in a lifelong relationship.
Now to think, you can love someone before or after marriage. Before, it's good. And after, it's possible. Just like you learn to love your parents more than anyone in the world, though you never chose them. Love can be induced by care, companionship and fondness.
so WTH. i'll love to live for me and only me. not for some man who'd think just because i have an XY chromosome i'll have to posses qualities like cooking and cleaning. these are not sex linked genes u know!! sry am a bio student
It's your point of view. But remember it's in most dire circumstances that we realise that we sometimes need the company of others.
i believe in equality between male and female. marriage destroys everything i believe in. from having his name after your kid's (whom u gave birth to AND raised!) to having him set the rules in the house! when will u ppl b unblinded from that repetitive "love" talk -__-. the only love i'll ever give is to my parents and grandparents, whom very much deserve it!
Your parents and grandparents played their role to maintain the cycle of life-- and for this, you love them, because they very much deserve it. And now, when it's your turn...
By the way, we marry for one's own sake first, not for anybody else.
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By the way, there's a Hadith I very much admire, which goes somehow like this:
When a husband caresses his wife's hand, it equals to one great deed.
When he kisses her, it equals to two great deeds.
And when he unites with her, it equals to more than this world and all that it contains.
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that is in a world where the man cherished and respected his wife. sometimes more than she respected him. in this era you will find most, if not all men, crave attention. they expect their wives to put them above everything else and do not expect themselves to do the same thing. all i am saying here is that in this world where women are still fighting for their rights, it seems foolish to condemn yourself to a man. its a contradiction. even if you love a person, it does not mean that you will keep loving him/her for the rest of you lives. and if people would point out for me the married couples who lived happily everafter, i'll do the same with whom got cheated, betrayed, heartbroken and divorced.
marriage is like this big life dilemma that you create with your own hands, and you realize it when its too late to do anything about it. and it is a true fact that at least one partner in a relationship would have some regret that he/she missed something in life because of wives and kids. Why do people see marriage as the normal continuity of life cycle? and then comes kids and responsibility. a dilemma i tell you!
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I beg to differ... I see today women are more masculine than the men are. They're more aggressive, more stubborn, more demanding, more uncompromising.
I'm from the same gender, but what is true cannot be denied. Women have lost their feminine qualities, those qualities that made them different from men. The eloquence and the elegance that defined their subtle nature.
Obedience is governance of a gentle kind.
Life itself is a dilemma. Everything bears reasons for complaints. Everybody will hunt reasons to complain, and differ. That's life.
And it is one unfortunate fact to realise, when death is at your doorstep, that you missed to do everything that you could have done. To give birth and raise is the primeval reason for existence. If kids do not come as responsibilities, life will throw other rocks on your shoulders.
Marriage is like a big ocean... To set sail and take risks is a choice. To stay ashore and watch others is another one.
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True. But to choose to sail into another ocean is a third.
I have made up my mind that i'll be a women who's career would come first. That is what I have been working for and that is what i am dedicating my self t achieve.
You are right, women have lost a big part of their feminine side. I do not find romance as something that i'll miss nor would my life seem unfruitful without kids. My life is prosperous as long as I score the goals I have set for myself, and not goals that others find vital. I would love to take on responsibilities that make a difference in my future, not a responsibility that will set a future for someone else. To have kids is a way to make your name remembered. However over the years it would be lost with generations to come. To climb the ladder in your field is something that would make your name remembered far after your death.
I live to make a positive change in the world. Having kids like a rabbit is not one, I would be increasing the population by one that's all. And don't tell me your kids would make a better future. If i want a better future i'll make one myself.
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There is only one ocean... :)
We just give them different names, but all the water is interrelated.
But it's wrong to think marital life will be an obstacle in your way. It could be a push. (Esp. if you get a husband like Borakk. :D)
Having kids will not be your destination, it will be a supplement to your voyage. That's different, totally different. Nobody said women will never be successful if they got married, that's an outdated belief. Nor are men nor women behind each others' success, both stand together. They support each other. They are each others' pivot and help intimately to face the world outside.
Your future, your future... It's good to think about your future. But not with the wrong mindset.
I didn't get what you mean by positive change since we're all kids of somebody else.
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There is only one ocean... :)
We just give them different names, but all the water is interrelated.
But it's wrong to think marital life will be an obstacle in your way. It could be a push. (Esp. if you get a husband like Borakk. :D)
if they are interrelated, why do you say that i would be a mere spectator. I'll sail, just not in the directions that others go.
"a push"?. tell me one thing. As a woman, with kids, who wants to go outside for say, a doctorate degree. Your husband works in the country. Will you, as a married woman, have the final saying if you should or shouldn't go? the answer is NO. You will consider other things first, like your kids, your husband's work and other aspects of people or things dependent on you. Don't tell me as a married couple you will work it out, cause you don't. You will have to come with terms to the fact that your family is first. Even if this comes willingly, it never the less wouldn't have been the choice as a single lady.
Having kids will not be your destination, it will be a supplement to your voyage. That's different, totally different. Nobody said women will never be successful if they got married, that's an outdated belief. Nor are men nor women behind each others' success, both stand together. They support each other. They are each others' pivot and help intimately to face the world outside.
True. But do you mean to say that you can't do that independently? You can, with no obligations or commitments.
Your future, your future... It's good to think about your future. But not with the wrong mindset.
I didn't get what you mean by positive change since we're all kids of somebody else.
if say, your parents have not given birth to you, their lives would have changed tremendously. to the better maybe?
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Thanks guys!
Im trying to get myself involved in the debate section, but you guys all have such strong view points, and the way you lay your points out is amazing, so I don't really feel I fit in. lol.
Anyway's I'll try, but- Im not as good as you all (:
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Thanks guys!
Im trying to get myself involved in the debate section, but you guys all have such strong view points, and the way you lay your points out is amazing, so I don't really feel I fit in. lol.
Anyway's I'll try, but- Im not as good as you all (:
We all moved a bit and are making place for you to enter... :)
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What type of person do I want to marry?
My religion tells me what type of person to marry.
“When one of you receives a proposal from such a person with whose Deen (piety) and character you are pleased then marry him/her to the person, and if you reject it there will be widespread corruption on earth” (Tirmidhi)
So If I am pleased with his character, and If I feel attracted to him then I will marry him, and leave the rest up to Allah.
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What type of person do I want to marry?
My religion tells me what type of person to marry.
“When one of you receives a proposal from such a person with whose Deen (piety) and character you are pleased then marry him/her to the person, and if you reject it there will be widespread corruption on earth” (Tirmidhi)
So If I am pleased with his character, and If I feel attracted to him then I will marry him, and leave the rest up to Allah.
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What are the things that will make him a magnet for you? ;)
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Roxy, you are a good debater! Join in!
Sweetest angel does have a point! She wants to progress her career. That is what a women should do and that comes before this marriage thing, IMHO. This will result in prosperity of the society we live in if when women gets a chance to progress their career as they wish.
Alpha, and whats that ' it can be a push for husband like Borakk'?! ::)
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Sweetest Angel, I'll continue with yours later... Have to do something first, just posting short for now.
Alpha, and whats that ' it can be a push for husband like Borakk'?! ::)
;D ;D
Read well! :P
Esp. if you get a husband like Borakk.
Seeing you everyday, she'll automatically get inspired to work for her goals.
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@Alpha: LOL. Besides his religion, I'd like him to be goooddd looking, like seriously good looking, Educated, good job, nice parents (not those annoying mother-in-laws :P), from here but live in Saudi, caring, loving, romantic, funny, entertaining, cool, nice car, understanding, there when I need him, not "perfect", because perfect people wind me up sometimes (:P), muscular, but not toooo muscular with huge arms and stuff, kind hearted, lovely, beautiful, LOL. I can go on for ages- in a world of my own I am, committed, NO SECOND WIFE- I REPEAT, NO SECOND WIFE, not even THINK about a second wife.
LOOL. The list will go one- for ages :P
@Stylish: Thank you ! :D
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You're welcome Roxy! :)
Alpha, yes she will be. I want her to be too! Not restrict her like you want wives to be... ::)
By the way, I just read sweetest angels first posts in this topic. And THATS the attitude for success! Way to go, girl! :D
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Sweetest Angel,
If the world is round, no matter the direction, you all keep roaming round and round... :)
You didn't get me, I referred to the ocean of marriage.
"a push"?. tell me one thing. As a woman, with kids, who wants to go outside for say, a doctorate degree. Your husband works in the country. Will you, as a married woman, have the final saying if you should or shouldn't go? the answer is NO. You will consider other things first, like your kids, your husband's work and other aspects of people or things dependent on you. Don't tell me as a married couple you will work it out, cause you don't. You will have to come with terms to the fact that your family is first. Even if this comes willingly, it never the less wouldn't have been the choice as a single lady.
Then, will you forever remain single just because you wanted freedom of choice?
That's an argument that will hold for anything, not only marriage.
TBH, even as a single woman, I would have to consider many factors before I make any decision. Every choice has a cost, it's normal.
Nobody compels anyone to put marriage before studies.
Like you, I have to build up my professional life and career too. But I would just not give myself the opportunity to regret things I could have done, but never did.
True. But do you mean to say that you can't do that independently? You can, with no obligations or commitments.
Comes to my point... Do you mean married couples can never achieve success? They can too, WITH support. And help.
if say, your parents have not given birth to you, their lives would have changed tremendously. to the better maybe?
I wouldn't say that... ::) LOL, am a burden for them then? All kids hinder success?
I dare speak for my parents concerning this... There couldn't have been better joy for them than their offspring, than me and my sister. :)
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No prob.
@Alpha: LOL. Besides his religion, I'd like him to be goooddd looking, like seriously good looking, Educated, good job, nice parents (not those annoying mother-in-laws :P), from here but live in Saudi, caring, loving, romantic, funny, entertaining, cool, nice car, understanding, there when I need him, not "perfect", because perfect people wind me up sometimes (:P), muscular, but not toooo muscular with huge arms and stuff, kind hearted, lovely, beautiful, LOL. I can go on for ages- in a world of my own I am, committed, NO SECOND WIFE- I REPEAT, NO SECOND WIFE, not even THINK about a second wife.
LOOL. The list will go one- for ages :P
@Stylish: Thank you ! :D
LOL, yeah, the list is quite long... :D
But that was honest, and............................................................ well elaborated. ;)
That's for SURE, NO second wife. Not at all. And plus, NO SMOKING. Period.
By the way, I just read sweetest angels first posts in this topic. And THATS the attitude for success! Way to go, girl! :D
WHAT was I saying.... ::)
Restricted? :o Show me where I said that. Prove it. :P
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lol- yehh, deffo no smoking :)
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@Alpha: LOL. Besides his religion, I'd like him to be goooddd looking, like seriously good looking, Educated, good job, nice parents (not those annoying mother-in-laws :P), from here but live in Saudi, caring, loving, romantic, funny, entertaining, cool, nice car, understanding, there when I need him, not "perfect", because perfect people wind me up sometimes (:P), muscular, but not toooo muscular with huge arms and stuff, kind hearted, lovely, beautiful, LOL. I can go on for ages- in a world of my own I am, committed, NO SECOND WIFE- I REPEAT, NO SECOND WIFE, not even THINK about a second wife.
LOOL. The list will go one- for ages :P
@Stylish: Thank you ! :D
Yikes
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Yikes
Too much to ask for ?
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Yes indeed. The muscles is just plain pushin it!
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Lol. I don;t want him to be lanky!
and not OVERLY MUSCULAR
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Lol. I don;t want him to be lanky!
and not OVERLY MUSCULAR
Not buff she means. :P Something like Jacob Black :P
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Not buff she means. :P Something like Jacob Black :P
Yess! He neeeedss to be BUUFFFFFF! LOOOL.
Buff means hott :P
And yeah, as mascular, or a teeeennniii weeenii bit less mascular than Jabob. LOL.
LOL.
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Yess! He neeeedss to be BUUFFFFFF! LOOOL.
Buff means hott :P
And yeah, as mascular, or a teeeennniii weeenii bit less mascular than Jabob. LOL.
LOL.
8-6 packs kinda guy. *shakes roxy* stop dreaming! :P
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8-6 packs kinda guy. *shakes roxy* stop dreaming! :P
4 pack's okay :)
LOL
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My mom says 'A woman can tolerate ANYTHING but NOT sharing his husband with another woman'.
How true it is...! :D
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Hm, not sharing her* husband... :)
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By the way, I just read sweetest angels first posts in this topic. And THATS the attitude for success! Way to go, girl! :D
tee-hee thank u :).
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Then, will you forever remain single just because you wanted freedom of choice?
That's an argument that will hold for anything, not only marriage.
TBH, even as a single woman, I would have to consider many factors before I make any decision. Every choice has a cost, it's normal.
Nobody compels anyone to put marriage before studies.
Like you, I have to build up my professional life and career too. But I would just not give myself the opportunity to regret things I could have done, but never did.
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Your list will definitely be shorter with no kids. Tell me something, name one thing, just ONE, that your parents do, in a normal day, which is not for you and your sister? Work to get you money, maybe help you with home work? Even when they pray, its for them as well as for you, so that GOD takes care of you when they are gone. So you are telling me that I can be successful with kids? I am sorry about bringing up the point that they would have been happier without you, may bad, they maybe will not. Even if life takes me to a martial life, i'll put my kids first and i'll love them indefinitely. BUT THAT IS THE POINT! I don't want my love to a husband and to kids to keep me in place!
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Comes to my point... Do you mean married couples can never achieve success? They can too, WITH support. And help.
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You forgot to mention, and twice the load, twice the responsibility, and countless points to consider before taking a simple decision like should i go to that presentation or not.
With kids: I'll have to go late until they sleep, and make him dinner. Then I'll have to wake early in the morning to make them breakfast (and maybe drop them to school). A first child? then you will never get out of home without a nanny that you trust. Of course AFTER your first maternity year.
without kids: Yes, I'll just call to check for the timings, I don't want to come back very late. period.
And By the way you guys talking about the characteristics you want in a husband reminds me of this joke :P
It goes like this : A new shop has opened for the perfect husband. Women go in from the entrance and can keep going to the next floor, but can not go back. they will have to leave from the top. So this lady goes in, first floor: Husband with intelligence. she is tempted but goes on to the second: Husband with intelligence AND a sense of humor. Hmm, goes to the third: Husband with intelligence AND a sense of humor AND is handsome. WOW that's a bargain, but wait she goes up: Husband with intelligence AND a sense of humor AND is handsome AND is good with kids. The lady wants to scream, she doesn't believe it, but goes up.: You have reached the last floor, exit is on your left. Women are never satisfied are they?
LOL a guy has to be like superman to be liked :P and a girl has to flick her hair with a nice blink eh? :P
Sry for a lengthy post, it called for it ;)
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Hm, not sharing her* husband... :)
Oops! sorry for the mistake!
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Bah, it's just a teenage girl's viewpoint for now. Maybe she'll talk another language after some years...
If not anything, this one will surely change: ::)
About money, if he isn't rich, I can work. And appearance, if he has all of I mentioned above, wouldn't matter. :)
Life is cruel if you're not very rich...!
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Yeah, I forgot... Calm and dynamic.*
Borakk, then you should hate everybody, your problem is with their show-off. I don't like exaggeration, as well, everything should be natural. Just natural. ;)
Yes. I get it. You're right! ;)
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Patient and a little bit persistent; because I'm not among those who will easily blurt out the cause of their worry... I don't impose it on someone else.
What's the point in all that sharing if you don't share your problems and worries?! :P
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i hate to disagree but.....i dnt really buy into this love thing. i don't believe in it. although i see everybody around in my family happily married and my parents are as well...i just dnt believe in a person who'd stay there forever..i mean GOD i'd get bored the next year ><. and why would a girl, after getting out of her parents control, like say 21 years old, would go into some other man's control. can't i b normal just by myself? do i have to BELONG to same male so that i am human? and what kind of common sense makes one believe that a man would always see her as the most perfect :/. if he liked u for your looks, their is always the more beautiful...for ur persona? there is always the more confident, smart,etc...!
so WTH. i'll love to live for me and only me. not for some man who'd think just because i have an XY chromosome i'll have to posses qualities like cooking and cleaning. these are not sex linked genes u know!! sry am a bio student :P.
i believe in equality between male and female. marriage destroys everything i believe in. from having his name after your kid's (whom u gave birth to AND raised!) to having him set the rules in the house! when will u ppl b unblinded from that repetitive "love" talk -__-. the only love i'll ever give is to my parents and grandparents, whom very much deserve it!
I agree with some viewpoints. The whole concept of love is a very ambiguous one. Its mostly created by the movies and dramas. At best of what I can understand, love = sex.
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You forgot to mention, and twice the load, twice the responsibility, and countless points to consider before taking a simple decision like should i go to that presentation or not.
With kids: I'll have to go late until they sleep, and make him dinner. Then I'll have to wake early in the morning to make them breakfast (and maybe drop them to school). A first child? then you will never get out of home without a nanny that you trust. Of course AFTER your first maternity year.
without kids: Yes, I'll just call to check for the timings, I don't want to come back very late. period.
You're wrong. The chances of success is in fact, higher with married couples. Statistics prove it.
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You're wrong. The chances of success is in fact, higher with married couples. Statistics prove it.
ENFIN! :D
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What's ENFIN? ???
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What's ENFIN? ???
Finally, in French. ;)
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Oh Merci! :D
Was that a surprise?! Its true! ;)
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Stylish you posted 6-7 posts after each other in each of them quoting something. You could just do like Alpha and quote everything in one post.]
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Stylish you posted 6-7 posts after each other in each of them quoting something. You could just do like Alpha and quote everything in one post.]
He's using his mobile... Must be difficult for him. ;)
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No. I'm on PC. Just read a post, gather ideas and post like that. I'll try to group into one.
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Ah, already on PC.
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Well, I am afraid it would be considered spamming. Other members complain about mods spamming that's why.
Okay, thanks stylish. =]
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Your list will definitely be shorter with no kids. Tell me something, name one thing, just ONE, that your parents do, in a normal day, which is not for you and your sister? Work to get you money, maybe help you with home work? Even when they pray, its for them as well as for you, so that GOD takes care of you when they are gone. So you are telling me that I can be successful with kids? I am sorry about bringing up the point that they would have been happier without you, may bad, they maybe will not. Even if life takes me to a martial life, i'll put my kids first and i'll love them indefinitely. BUT THAT IS THE POINT! I don't want my love to a husband and to kids to keep me in place!
They are happy... Not for me, but for them.
Don't really like talking personal... but anyway... ::)
I read for them what they cannot see. They have an eye that speaks. I take care of them when they are tired. I help my mother with her works. Feed my father when his hands are dirty. I try to be there when they need to talk. I spend my nights taking care of them when they get ill... There are so many other things I do, but I don't think it necessary to mention it all here. That must have been enough...
If you still think they would have been happier without kids, better ask them, if ever you get the opportunity. I'll give you $ 100, from my own pockets, if they say yes.
You forgot to mention, and twice the load, twice the responsibility, and countless points to consider before taking a simple decision like should i go to that presentation or not.
With kids: I'll have to go late until they sleep, and make him dinner. Then I'll have to wake early in the morning to make them breakfast (and maybe drop them to school). A first child? then you will never get out of home without a nanny that you trust. Of course AFTER your first maternity year.
without kids: Yes, I'll just call to check for the timings, I don't want to come back very late. period.
Why such a narrow view? You just take into account what you have to do? What about what others will do for YOU? If am too busy, my husband or my kids can cook for me. If I have a presentation, I know I can rely on them to cheer me up, to encourage me, to be by my side. I'd have people to take care of me if I'm tired. I'll have someone to tell about how my hypothetical conference went. And I would need someone in case it didn't go right. I would have people to assist me, to talk and share things with. It's not only what I would do for them, it's also what they would do for me.
It's not when I'll be some 40-50 years old hag that I'll realize and regret what I lost, afraid of being too overloaded. Life is lived only once, live it FULL girl. :)
Loneliness or celibacy is always empty, somehow, some kind... We all need someone, some time. Agree, friends will try to be there when you need them most-- but family will ALWAYS be there, whether you need them or not. You won't need reasons for companionship when family will be there.
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I see no point why someone wouldn't be successful if he or she marries someone or has kids.
Look up the list of the richest people in the world. 97+% of them are married.
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I got no packs. LOL!!!
I am quite sure Roxy will end up marrying a wrestler, how does the big show sound?
The importance of marriage cannot be stressed any further. It is a lifelong intent, and commitment to a woman that now has become your family.
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I don't find my one post here... ???
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Oops! sorry for the mistake!
No worry.
If not anything, this one will surely change: ::)
Life is cruel if you're not very rich...!
Even if you're not... Anyway, I passed the stage when a girl sits and waits for prince charming to come. ;)
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I got no packs. LOL!!!
I am quite sure Roxy will end up marrying a wrestler, how does the big show sound?
The importance of marriage cannot be stressed any further. It is a lifelong intent, and commitment to a woman that now has become your family.
LOL!
EWWWWW! Hell no :P
I dont like wrestlers- muscles TOOO big, not nice =.=
2-4 packs fine ;D
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Gee alpha, u sure have grown up. I like being a kid though. I love being naive, and optimistic. You see, you have passed the stage where u start to realize the realities of life. I have passed the stage, where u realize that life as a child is the best life you can have, no complications, no commitments, nothing.
Sad, time that has passed never does come back. What's encouraging is that there is the beginning of an altogether new experience. One that remains to be lived. A flavour that is waiting to be tasted.
For you'll agree with me... We value the time because it's forever lost-- value in proportion to its non* occurrence.
Yes, I have been able to gain enough understanding to differentiate between reality and fantasy. But I still need to keep growing up. :)
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What's the point in all that sharing if you don't share your problems and worries?! :P
Yes, true... :)
Maybe I'm too shy, or just don't have guts.
I agree with some viewpoints. The whole concept of love is a very ambiguous one. Its mostly created by the movies and dramas. At best of what I can understand, love = sex.
Love = ordinary shares = More risks, more benefits.
Sex = preference shares = Less risks, limited benefits. :P
Oh Merci! :D
Was that a surprise?! Its true! ;)
Agreed...
LOL!
EWWWWW! Hell no :P
I dont like wrestlers- muscles TOOO big, not nice =.=
2-4 packs fine ;D
Girls... :D ;D
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Even if you're not... Anyway, I passed the stage when a girl sits and waits for prince charming to come. ;)
Okay... ::) ::)
When did I say you're not rich?! ::) I just pointed at a general situation (of any girl). Please don't mind that. Not intended to hurt you.. :)
But Alpha, life is generally not so good for those who are not very rich. Perhaps you really dream now... Thats why you don't consider it necessary for your husband to be very rich. ;) :)
Its not about the prince charming or any such fancy story. ::)
And I bet if being rich is only for those who are prince charming, the other qualities you mentioned are also the qualities of a prince charming? No...? ;) :)
If yes, why leave out the most important characteristics of your partner which will determine your level of happiness? :D :)
its unachievable? Just move on with persistence, determination and hard work towards your goal! And you'll! :D
Hope you understand what I mean to say..! :D
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Love = ordinary shares = More risks, more benefits.
Sex = preference shares = Less risks, limited benefits. :P
Depends on the state of the economy - booming or recession.
If booming, buy ordinary shares or love or whatever..
If recession, buy preference shares or sex or whatever... :P
Jokes apart... ;)
Why so much differentiation between these two? I think these two coincide in most of the cases. They're interchangable terms. So, the equation of Love=sex does hold true. :P
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LOOOOL.!
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how do u quote more than once in a post? the insert quote button doesn't work when i am typing into the message box only before i start the typing!
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They are happy... Not for me, but for them.
Don't really like talking personal... but anyway... ::)
I read for them what they cannot see. They have an eye that speaks. I take care of them when they are tired. I help my mother with her works. Feed my father when his hands are dirty. I try to be there when they need to talk. I spend my nights taking care of them when they get ill... There are so many other things I do, but I don't think it necessary to mention it all here. That must have been enough...
If you still think they would have been happier without kids, better ask them, if ever you get the opportunity. I'll give you $ 100, from my own pockets, if they say yes.
Why such a narrow view? You just take into account what you have to do? What about what others will do for YOU? If am too busy, my husband or my kids can cook for me. If I have a presentation, I know I can rely on them to cheer me up, to encourage me, to be by my side. I'd have people to take care of me if I'm tired. I'll have someone to tell about how my hypothetical conference went. And I would need someone in case it didn't go right. I would have people to assist me, to talk and share things with. It's not only what I would do for them, it's also what they would do for me.
It's not when I'll be some 40-50 years old hag that I'll realize and regret what I lost, afraid of being too overloaded. Life is lived only once, live it FULL girl. :)
Loneliness or celibacy is always empty, somehow, some kind... We all need someone, some time. Agree, friends will try to be there when you need them most-- but family will ALWAYS be there, whether you need them or not. You won't need reasons for companionship when family will be there.
Stephanie Coontz, director of research at the Council on Contemporary Families, reports that marriage has changed more in the last 30 years than it did in the last 300. What are the facts now? It used to be that women believed if they didn’t get married early, they might miss the boat. In the 1950’s, the average age of marriage for women was 20, with the most women marrying at age 18. There were very few first marriages after age 24. Coontz states, “This is a different world than the 1950s. The average age at first marriage for women is now almost 26. For women with a B.A. it is more than 27, and for women with master’s or professional degrees it is 30. And there is huge variation within each average, so that more women now marry for the first time in their 40s, 50s and even 60s than ever before in history.”
This is a true study. Why do you think women with B.A. marry after they are 27? They need focus to get their BA. Not husband, kids, meals, school, household, etc...Women who seek more, marry later, if at all. You think of career life as the old stero-type lead by our parents. The type forced on them by us, their kids. Work as you speak of is the type of get-money-for-food-clothes-school. NO, I talk of something bigger, something that can cause a change. Sure you want to be a doctor, go do your shifts come home after duty hours, no problem to add in a husband and kids! But you want to be a woman who adds a chapter in books of tomorrow? Then marital life is just a big clot right in the middle of your way.
You think I am against marriage in itself? no! for the prophet (PBUH) has said “Marry those who are loving and fertile, for I will be proud of your great numbers before the other nations.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel. I am against of the belief that a man in this era would be content, for his full life with one woman. The whole "true love" comes only once thing. I am against marriage for a woman who strives for more in her life. And definitely against the different views that the society holds for a single man as opposed to a single woman. They see a single woman as being at a loss for not marrying, and a single man as one who had not found the right one yet! What are we, goods on a shelf? If we are not "bought" then it is our fault, because we are not intruging enough? Because a woman is not complete with a career life only, she needs a "man" to be there and kids. A thousand NO! A woman is more complete than a man would ever be without family life. Sure she wants a family life no problem. But it isn't necessary to have a fruitful life like you have pointed out. She IS living life FULLY even if she doen't get married!!
And please do not start the whole "you can be successful with kids too". I am not saying you can not. I am stressing on the fact that you can do it more focused, determined without them. If you are the type who would be content enough when she/he sees gratitude and love in your husband's/wife's eyes. then I would go for your argument. But , however, if you want to see that in more people, who would be grateful of your work, then work for it. Both will not concide as a woman. yes, maybe 97+% of most successful MEN are married. How many women??
A woman has more obligations when married than a man. Tell me the numbers of men who walked out on their families to women?
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And one more thing, if I ever get married, it'll be cause i want to, not cause in need to. I need nothing from a man, nothing I know of that I can't provide for myself.
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You should be a feminist, sweetest angel :)
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Sweetest angel, not all husbands restrict their wife to be a housewife. I wouldn't. Views are changing now! :D
So if your fear is this, its not logical to just say 'I wouldn't marry'. You can say 'I wouldn't marry someone who doesn't allow me to progress my career'. But don't take the outright decision to not marry altogether! :D :P
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You should be a feminist, sweetest angel :)
Lol ya maybe. Its just that growing in a place where there has to be a "man" of the house sickens me. Like we are some kind of inferior creations. We are not. Eve has come from Adam's shoulder, for equality, not legs to show his superioratory to her.
Stylish: Nah, its not restriction, no one can do that to me, atleast till now because I give justifications to anything I do. I meant get married if u want to, Don't get married if you want to obtain something different in life through your career. plus in this debate section I have no right to say someone's views are wrong and mine is right. Like how I got a point of view that I am convinced with, so does others. I am just laying down those points of view I have :)
Peace :P
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Lol ya maybe. Its just that growing in a place where there has to be a "man" of the house sickens me. Like we are some kind of inferior creations. We are not. Eve has come from Adam's shoulder, for equality, not legs to show his superioratory to her.
Stylish: Nah, its not restriction, no one can do that to me, atleast till now because I give justifications to anything I do. I meant get married if u want to, Don't get married if you want to obtain something different in life through your career. plus in this debate section I have no right to say someone's views are wrong and mine is right. Like how I got a point of view that I am convinced with, so does others. I am just laying down those points of view I have :)
Peace :P
Lol- where do you live ?
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marriage is a big no
i just feel its waste of time and life !!!
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Lol- where do you live ?
UAE =)
it is a waste of time money and life!
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but am egyption...
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I seriously can't believe how you people are saying no to marriage.
Waste of time? waste of life? Marrying someone, having children from that person, raising up strong men/women in the world is a waste of time? Raising up people who can be the reason this world would be a better place is a waste of time?
Life is not just about me. I will get bored of it if I would always stay alone thinking of not marrying someone because it is a waste of money and life. This is pure non-sense, thinking that money should be spent on me only.
Someday you will want to open your own family, this is life. Someone who would be there with you when your hair is grey, someone who would take care of you when you get sick(children), someone who would always share their bed with you, someone who would you company.
A woman is not living life fully if she is not getting married. I know close people to me who did not get married till today and they are going to be 40 something, they don't like life this way. They don't like it when they see their friends having their own families with their own children while they are sitting there with nothing but work.
Marriage was never a waste of time. If it was, then you yourself would've never been brought up in this world. Look at your parents and look at how they raised you. Do you call this a waste of time and money? I do not believe so.
I don't take parts of debates much but you people made me stunned with your point of view and so I had to say something.
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Agreed with Shoshou.
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I seriously can't believe how you people are saying no to marriage.
Waste of time? waste of life? Marrying someone, having children from that person, raising up strong men/women in the world is a waste of time? Raising up people who can be the reason this world would be a better place is a waste of time?
Life is not just about me. I will get bored of it if I would always stay alone thinking of not marrying someone because it is a waste of money and life. This is pure non-sense, thinking that money should be spent on me only.
Someday you will want to open your own family, this is life. Someone who would be there with you when your hair is grey, someone who would take care of you when you get sick(children), someone who would always share their bed with you, someone who would you company.
A woman is not living life fully if she is not getting married. I know close people to me who did not get married till today and they are going to be 40 something, they don't like life this way. They don't like it when they see their friends having their own families with their own children while they are sitting there with nothing but work.
Marriage was never a waste of time. If it was, then you yourself would've never been brought up in this world. Look at your parents and look at how they raised you. Do you call this a waste of time and money? I do not believe so.
I don't take parts of debates much but you people made me stunned with your point of view and so I had to say something.
words straight out of my mind and mouth.
Could not agree more.
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Lol ya maybe. Its just that growing in a place where there has to be a "man" of the house sickens me. Like we are some kind of inferior creations. We are not. Eve has come from Adam's shoulder, for equality, not legs to show his superioratory to her.
A woman is a woman. She needs a man to be there to protect her. We are not some kind of interior creations if a man is there to protect us. You might be strong with personality but after all your a woman, if a thief comes in your house at night all what you will do is scream and faint >> Yes, I will do that :P I mean I will try to fight but again you are just a woman, how on earth will you fight a strong thief? A man should be there to make you feel secure and safe unless he is so weak with no packs and would end up hiding like what our family friends husband did. :P(he pretended to be sleeping when the thief was there at his house) :P hahahaha.
I don't want to enter religion in this debate, but since you are muslim if I start saying what Islam tells us about marriage, men and women I would prove you wrong in everything you said. "Al Regal qawamoon 3ala 2al nis2a" whether you agree or disagree this is the way it is, this is how Allah created us and this is a fact.
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"al regal qawamoon 3ala 2al nesa2 bema fadal allaho ba3dahom 3ala ba3d, wa bema anfaqu men amwalehim"
Next time try to complete the verse to prevent confusion, and to clarify more.
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I seriously can't believe how you people are saying no to marriage.
Waste of time? waste of life? Marrying someone, having children from that person, raising up strong men/women in the world is a waste of time? Raising up people who can be the reason this world would be a better place is a waste of time?
Life is not just about me. I will get bored of it if I would always stay alone thinking of not marrying someone because it is a waste of money and life. This is pure non-sense, thinking that money should be spent on me only.
Someday you will want to open your own family, this is life. Someone who would be there with you when your hair is grey, someone who would take care of you when you get sick(children), someone who would always share their bed with you, someone who would you company.
A woman is not living life fully if she is not getting married. I know close people to me who did not get married till today and they are going to be 40 something, they don't like life this way. They don't like it when they see their friends having their own families with their own children while they are sitting there with nothing but work.
Marriage was never a waste of time. If it was, then you yourself would've never been brought up in this world. Look at your parents and look at how they raised you. Do you call this a waste of time and money? I do not believe so.
I don't take parts of debates much but you people made me stunned with your point of view and so I had to say something.
You be the reason this world is a better place. Don't wait for your kids to do it!
God accompanies me in all time. He is the only company I need. I don't need an accompaning partner in this finite life.
Work is more fruitful than family. Its does all the difference you need, minus the issues.
Yes I do call it a waste of time and money because their was no need to bring me to this world, tomorrow may never come, seriously kids and family? I don't want to regret nothing a thing in life, I won't miss family, I'll get that in my after life hopefully.However I won't get to make the change I want when am dead after giving birth to a bunch of people who'll lay just like me after a while. You know I don't see much difference amid us and rabbits. We get married and give birth and lead a tidious life cycle where we teach kids values and stuff, that's what rabbits do, really, just on a larger scale. All my needs are right in any line i'll read and make a difference in the way i think and the way i progress. I don't need a partner to bring out the change in me. I create it.
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"al regal qawamoon 3ala 2al nesa2 bema fadal allaho ba3dahom 3ala ba3d, wa bema anfaqu men amwalehim"
Next time try to complete the verse to prevent confusion, and to clarify more.
Yes, I know the aya but I just didn't want to enter too much religion.
Thank You for posting it though. =]
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A woman is a woman. She needs a man to be there to protect her. We are not some kind of interior creations if a man is there to protect us. You might be strong with personality but after all your a woman, if a thief comes in your house at night all what you will do is scream and faint >> Yes, I will do that :P I mean I will try to fight but again you are just a woman, how on earth will you fight a strong thief? A man should be there to make you feel secure and safe unless he is so weak with no packs and would end up hiding like what our family friends husband did. :P(he pretended to be sleeping when the thief was there at his house) :P hahahaha.
I don't want to enter religion in this debate, but since you are muslim if I start saying what Islam tells us about marriage, men and women I would prove you wrong in everything you said. "Al Regal qawamoon 3ala 2al nis2a" whether you agree or disagree this is the way it is, this is how Allah created us and this is a fact.
the gladiator told you "bema 2nfaqo". If the man is your financial supporter, maybe then. I'll get myself a good warning system and a good taser. WE CAN LIVE ON OUR OWN. malekat saba2 kanet 2mra2ah w heya 5alet qawmaha yo2meno b rab soliman. Other male kings couldn't do that.
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Its like a bacteria culture in a fermenter maintained at exponential phase with essential nutrients.
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Sweetest angel; you're committing the sin all people are doing these days. Taking portions of verses and turning them to what they want, thinking they are on the right track. Revise your sayings.
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Its like a bacteria culture in a fermenter maintained at exponential phase with essential nutrients.
The Prophet SAW has told us that
"Marrying is completing half of your faith"
I don;t know if you know that- but islamically, saying that "You won't/don't want to get married isn't correct >.<
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You be the reason this world is a better place. Don't wait for your kids to do it!
God accompanies me in all time. He is the only company I need. I don't need an accompaning partner in this finite life.
Work is more fruitful than family. Its does all the difference you need, minus the issues.
Yes I do call it a waste of time and money because their was no need to bring me to this world, tomorrow may never come, seriously kids and family? I don't want to regret nothing a thing in life, I won't miss family, I'll get that in my after life hopefully.However I won't get to make the change I want when am dead after giving birth to a bunch of people who'll lay just like me after a while. You know I don't see much difference amid us and rabbits. We get married and give birth and lead a tidious life cycle where we teach kids values and stuff, that's what rabbits do, really, just on a larger scale. All my needs are right in any line i'll read and make a difference in the way i think and the way i progress. I don't need a partner to bring out the change in me. I create it.
You will die soon, thus having children to send a message to this world after your death. It is like you building the future, teaching your children and your children teaching their own children etc etc like a cycle.
Just like how my grandmother taught my mom, made her the best person your eyes might see. A person who changes bad people to good. I swear to God. Now my mom, raises my sister and I in the same way and GUESS WHAT?! I made 4 people wear hijab and GUESS WHAT ALSO, I was just 12-13 years old. And still when I become an older person I will GIVE ALL MY POWER in making this world a better one. I promise. and you know what also? I will bring children who will InshAllah will be strong like me and who will be the reason this place would become better. I will build the future with my own hands because this is how my mother raised me as long as Allah is by my side.
Pure non-sense to me all what you are saying. That is why I am not debating with you. As long as others agree I will not try any harder to change your point of view.
You are right, there was no need to bring you in this world. You said it yourself. =]
No offence meant to you. Best of luck for living alone. =]
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You be the reason this world is a better place. Don't wait for your kids to do it!
God accompanies me in all time. He is the only company I need. I don't need an accompaning partner in this finite life.
Work is more fruitful than family. Its does all the difference you need, minus the issues.
Yes I do call it a waste of time and money because their was no need to bring me to this world, tomorrow may never come, seriously kids and family? I don't want to regret nothing a thing in life, I won't miss family, I'll get that in my after life hopefully.However I won't get to make the change I want when am dead after giving birth to a bunch of people who'll lay just like me after a while. You know I don't see much difference amid us and rabbits. We get married and give birth and lead a tidious life cycle where we teach kids values and stuff, that's what rabbits do, really, just on a larger scale. All my needs are right in any line i'll read and make a difference in the way i think and the way i progress. I don't need a partner to bring out the change in me. I create it.
i totally agree with this
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could some one please translate that quote into english
A woman is a woman. She needs a man to be there to protect her. We are not some kind of interior creations if a man is there to protect us. You might be strong with personality but after all your a woman, if a thief comes in your house at night all what you will do is scream and faint >> Yes, I will do that I mean I will try to fight but again you are just a woman, how on earth will you fight a strong thief? A man should be there to make you feel secure and safe unless he is so weak with no packs and would end up hiding like what our family friends husband did. (he pretended to be sleeping when the thief was there at his house) hahahaha.
I don't want to enter religion in this debate, but since you are muslim if I start saying what Islam tells us about marriage, men and women I would prove you wrong in everything you said. "Al Regal qawamoon 3ala 2al nis2a" whether you agree or disagree this is the way it is, this is how Allah created us and this is a fact.
i will never agree to this
women is a women
and will never need man if she thinks so
if i train myself properly i can fight that thief better than a man
women is all powerful and just needs to understand the underlying quality
if its about a child u can adopt , test tube it or what ever
a women will never ever need a man if she is self reliant
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"al regal qawamoon 3ala 2al nesa2 bema fadal allaho ba3dahom 3ala ba3d, wa bema anfaqu men amwalehim"
this quote
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Frankly speaking, its difficult for a woman to lead a happy life without marrying. Maybe, a man can lead a happy life without marrying, but very difficult for a woman.
And no, a woman does not become automatically unsuccessful if she marries. She can choose someone who doesn't mind her working or studying. But the decision to not marry altogether is not logical.
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Frankly speaking, its difficult for a woman to lead a happy life without marrying. Maybe, a man can lead a happy life without marrying, but very difficult for a woman.
And no, a woman does not become automatically unsuccessful if she marries. She can choose someone who doesn't mind her working or studying. But the decision to not marry altogether is not logical.
exactly.
Everything that;s in the Quraan and Sunnah is logical, and it's for the benefit of the people.
Follow it- you'll lead the best life. inshallah.
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You will die soon, thus having children to send a message to this world after your death. It is like you building the future, teaching your children and your children teaching their own children etc etc like a cycle.
Just like how my grandmother taught my mom, made her the best person your eyes might see. A person who changes bad people to good. I swear to God. Now my mom, raises my sister and I in the same way and GUESS WHAT?! I made 4 people wear hijab and GUESS WHAT ALSO, I was just 12-13 years old. And still when I become an older person I will GIVE ALL MY POWER in making this world a better one. I promise. and you know what also? I will bring children who will InshAllah will be strong like me and who will be the reason this place would become better. I will build the future with my own hands because this is how my mother raised me as long as Allah is by my side.
Pure non-sense to me all what you are saying. That is why I am not debating with you. As long as others agree I will not try any harder to change your point of view.
You are right, there was no need to bring you in this world. You said it yourself. =]
No offence meant to you. Best of luck for living alone. =]
Dude eeryone gave their opinion in a respectful way but you just saw that sarcasm is better? Anywho this is to show my way of seeing things, i am not forcing it to anyone else and THAT is way i am not going to argue. Howeve to others who do reply respectfully my argument has started wih that a woman can do a better job at career without family. Wanting to marry after family is another story. You converted it to whether or not she should marry at all so i gave my saying on that and i am aware not most people would agree. I cant change the ways life went from forever in a post. And i thought the debate section was to express your view not ti be mocked mony…shousho. And i still say a woman can always be self-dependant, self-reliable as long as she lives. Just the right mind has to be put in.
Oh and i will ask about the interpretion of the aya. I didnt know my understanding for it was wron
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Dude eeryone gave their opinion in a respectful way but you just saw that sarcasm is better? Anywho this is to show my way of seeing things, i am not forcing it to anyone else and THAT is way i am not going to argue. Howeve to others who do reply respectfully my argument has started wih that a woman can do a better job at career without family. Wanting to marry after family is another story. You converted it to whether or not she should marry at all so i gave my saying on that and i am aware not most people would agree. I cant change the ways life went from forever in a post. And i thought the debate section was to express your view not ti be mocked mony…shousho. And i still say a woman can always be self-dependant, self-reliable as long as she lives. Just the right mind has to be put in.
Oh and i will ask about the interpretion of the aya. I didnt know my understanding for it was wron
but what about the hadeeth that says " Marrying is half of your faith" ?
Must that not be taken under consideration ?
Or are we just going to live THIS life how we want it, and just HOPE that we get somewhere after ?
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i am not going against any religious sayings or anything
but as u say a man can lead a happy life without marriage a women can too
its not of being unsuccessful its just that later ur tyrant to many things
best example a women can not keep going out of the house every now and then 4 work
if she shifts to a new place she has 2 think a lot about her children's studies and husbands job and stuff
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@sweetest angel...sure you know Amr Khaled yes? Look at how many people he changed in this world. It is just a amazing how everyone changes after listening to his lectures. I would not call bringing him to life as a waste of time. I would not say that his mother and father getting married was a waste of time. =] Try thinking once and twice before coming into a conclusion.
and uh.. I just quoted what you wrote yourself. I did not bring anything from my mind. =] My apology if you thought this insulted you in any way or another. I sincerely apologize. =]
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i totally agree with this
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could some one please translate that quote into english
i will never agree to this
women is a women
and will never need man if she thinks so
if i train myself properly i can fight that thief better than a man
women is all powerful and just needs to understand the underlying quality
if its about a child u can adopt , test tube it or what ever
a women will never ever need a man if she is self reliant
Yes women always have their lives full enough with no man.
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but what about the hadeeth that says " Marrying is half of your faith" ?
Must that not be taken under consideration ?
Or are we just going to live THIS life how we want it, and just HOPE that we get somewhere after ?
it is not necessary that u marry for having some 1 in ur life
m not saying marriage is not good m just saying it is not compulsory
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it is not necessary that u marry for having some 1 in ur life
m not saying marriage is not good m just saying it is not compulsory
***exam***, are you muslim ?
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no , why ??
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nope
Okay- well then you wouldn't understand what I mean. Sorry. >.<
That's the reason why I don't debate.
Eveything in life is backed up by the Quraan, Sunnah and Hadeeth. I would always fall back on that, and show proofs. That's my way of debating. and doing that here- isn't acceptable. =/
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Okay- well then you wouldn't understand what I mean. Sorry. >.<
That's the reason why I don't debate.
Eveything in life is backed up by the Quraan, Sunnah and Hadeeth. I would always fall back on that, and show proofs. That's my way of debating. and doing that here- isn't acceptable. =/
Same here. I can't debate anything without entering Islam in it.lol.
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Same here. I can't debate anything without entering Islam in it.lol.
That;s the only reason why I stay away from the debates section though. =/
Otherwise- Im loaaadedd.
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haha lol its ok its every ones opinion
you still can debate but quoting things in eng :P
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@shousho…no he was no waste of time. But your view that we have kids to make a change. Amr khaled didnt wait for his kids did he?
@roxy…thats right for the hadith. But it doent make you sinful nit to do it. I i EVER get married, like i said before, it will be because i want to, not need to. Please give up those basis that a woman goes into marriage beacause she NEEDS a man, cause she NEEDS a family for support and kids to make a better fu
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Ah, Roxy, feel free to debate anyway you want! No problem with that. :)
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Im sure women can live alone. They have haven't they ? People in the past and people now. Loads of 'em.
Is it AS effective though ?
and more than half of them are prolly in a relationship anyways.
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Ah, Roxy, feel free to debate anyway you want! No problem with that. :)
seriously ? :O
Thanks mate! :D
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haha lol its ok its every ones opinion
you still can debate but quoting things in eng :P
Yeah, she is right. I mean we can change our quotes in english but it is still not about that.
But you don't take it as your religion and so you won't believe in any of the quotes we are saying. Know what I mean?
That is why it is always good to make religion out.
@sweetest angel..Amr khaled was a kid one day :P and his mother n father are the ones who raised him in this way. =] and I am sure his kids are like him, changing other people for the better.
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Im sure women can live alone. They have haven't they ? People in the past and people now. Loads of 'em.
Is it AS effective though ?
and more than half of them are prolly in a relationship anyways.
here the point is about marriage and not relations
relations are not a tie as marriage is
eah, she is right. I mean we can change our quotes in english but it is still not about that.
But you don't take it as your religion and so you won't believe in any of the quotes we are saying. Know what I mean?
That is why it is always good to make religion out.
ah its k
if any body would have told me somethings from my religious books i still wouldnt follow it :P
cuz i dont believe in religion its just one God for me thats all :)
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@shousho…no he was no waste of time. But your view that we have kids to make a change. Amr khaled didnt wait for his kids did he?
@roxy…thats right for the hadith. But it doent make you sinful nit to do it. I i EVER get married, like i said before, it will be because i want to, not need to. Please give up those basis that a woman goes into marriage beacause she NEEDS a man, cause she NEEDS a family for support and kids to make a better fu
Amr khaled was a kid one day and his mother n father are the ones who raised him in this way.and I am sure his kids are like him, changing other people for the better.
Read my posts again, I did not say I will wait till my kids make the changes. I said I will change it by my own but will have kids to forward my message when I am dead. ;)
You can't simply say marriage is a waste of time and money because you have no valid reasons for what you are saying. God created us this way, a man and a woman who have an intercourse to bring children in this world who later turn into another man and another woman and so on. Imagine how life would be if no one got married? People will vanish after they get dead, the world will end. What you are saying is just impossible.
You are just saying that now, I am sure one day there will be this special person who would take your attention, mind and heart without you even noticing. Every man/boy every woman/girl will always have an interest in the opposite sex, this is how we are, this is a fact. I state facts here but you state your opinion. See why you can't reply back with something convincing?
Don't take anything to your heart because I have no intention of hurting anyone here. Best of luck for your exams.=]
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I would like you all to not even mention Islam, if you want to justify a cause, then do it through normal means, refrain from including religeon in your arguments. That goes for all of you.
It seems now a days, it is not a shame to have casual relationships with a woman, or a man, and so the reason for marriage has degraded. Let me make this clear, marriage puts responsibility in the relationship, one person simply cannot quit on the other, they need to work together as a team, and help raise their next generation.
Let me make this clear, a woman is independent, you can do whatever you like, but if you did not need protection, if you did not need someone to protect you at times, there would no no incidents of rape in this world, none at all. You need to realize, a tazer will only work once, and one a whole gang gains up on you, you cant do much.
And would you not want to love a man in your life, as a man does a woman. I mean, that is the purpose of the whole thing, to unite a couple, under an understanding between their two sides. Marriage has often lead to the downfall of many disputes between families.
You can keep on defying it, but I am sure you will at one point in your life want a man to love you, someone to care for you. You parents will not be there forever.
And no-one is all powerful, the human race is made up of man and woman. If a child is born without a mother or father, then it is a hardship for the child, regardless of what people say!
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I would like you all to not even mention Islam, if you want to justify a cause, then do it through normal means, refrain from including religeon in your arguments. That goes for all of you.
It seems now a days, it is not a shame to have casual relationships with a woman, or a man, and so the reason for marriage has degraded. Let me make this clear, marriage puts responsibility in the relationship, one person simply cannot quit on the other, they need to work together as a team, and help raise their next generation.
Let me make this clear, a woman is independent, you can do whatever you like, but if you did not need protection, if you did not need someone to protect you at times, there would no no incidents of rape in this world, none at all. You need to realize, a tazer will only work once, and one a whole gang gains up on you, you cant do much.
And would you not want to love a man in your life, as a man does a woman. I mean, that is the purpose of the whole thing, to unite a couple, under an understanding between their two sides. Marriage has often lead to the downfall of many disputes between families.
You can keep on defying it, but I am sure you will at one point in your life want a man to love you, someone to care for you. You parents will not be there forever.
And no-one is all powerful, the human race is made up of man and woman. If a child is born without a mother or father, then it is a hardship for the child, regardless of what people say!
This post was like you were repeating all what I was saying in the past 2 pages. :P
Don't disagree with any of what you said. =]
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This post was like you were repeating all what I was saying in the past 2 pages. :P
Don't disagree with any of what you said. =]
U needed 2 pages to say what I said in 6 paragraphs, LOL!!!!!
I feel so good abt myself. JK!
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Amr khaled was a kid one day and his mother n father are the ones who raised him in this way.and I am sure his kids are like him, changing other people for the better.
Read my posts again, I did not say I will wait till my kids make the changes. I said I will change it by my own but will have kids to forward my message when I am dead. ;)
You can't simply say marriage is a waste of time and money because you have no valid reasons for what you are saying. God created us this way, a man and a woman who have an intercourse to bring children in this world who later turn into another man and another woman and so on. Imagine how life would be if no one got married? People will vanish after they get dead, the world will end. What you are saying is just impossible.
You are just saying that now, I am sure one day there will be this special person who would take your attention, mind and heart without you even noticing. Every man/boy every woman/girl will always have an interest in the opposite sex, this is how we are, this is a fact. I state facts here but you state your opinion. See why you can't reply back with something convincing?
Don't take anything to your heart because I have no intention of hurting anyone here. Best of luck for your exams.=]
when you start a long course degree I know the first thought in most everyone's mind will be, "But, that will interfere with getting married and having children!" It's unfortunate that the first thought couldn't have been, "WOW, she has accomplished so much! She's making such a great life for herself all on her own!" Nope. That would only contradict generations of patriarchy's goal to chain my ankles to the kitchen, having one hand feeding my son and the other ironing my husband's shirt, given that the chain would be long enough for me to do so, of course.
Before I get everyone all riled up and start getting verbal attacks of being a "man-hating feminist", let me first say that feminism is NOT a women's issue. Plenty of men out there are feminists. Plenty of men do not agree with patriarchy. So, I don't hate on men. I like men.Plain and simple. Secondly, I am by no means saying that a woman who stays at home is not pro-feminism. I think that taking on the responsibility of caring for an entire household is not just a responsibility but, an actual job. A job that gets overlooked. A job that society doesn't give enough credit to. What does piss me off is the notion that this job is naturally a woman's job. Now that all of that is cleared up, I shall digress...
Back to an unmarried life. Yes, I would be twenty-four years old and unmarried. Looking through my MySpace and Facebook, I will easily estimate that at least half of my friends/classmates from high school would be engaged or married.We all know that relationships are never what they appear to be from an outside view. Hell, marriage doesn't even always equate to love. What those women have isn't necessarily what I need anyway.
Are we all settling because of this stupid timeline that decrees you a failure if you're not married by 30? Of course, love itself is relative to culture and differs from person to person, but are we really that uncomfortable with being unmarried? Why is it so horrible to live your life and better yourself in every way possible and just let love come to you? Why are we searching "out there" for someone to love us when love is already within ourselves? I would be lying if I said I don't enjoy companionship, but what is it that makes me need someone else? I don't believe a man would "complete" me. I believe I complete me...but then why do I long for someone else to validate me?
I have all these crazy questions and thoughts in my head. I suppose that's where my concoction begins to brew. I'm frustrated because I want the external voices to stop. I'm impatient to experience my idea of love. And I fear that by wanting Mr. Right to propose to me means that I am stunting my growth as an individual.
If I do fall in love and get married, I want to be a complete person. I want to be someone's partner, not his dependent. I suppose what I want right now is to truly believe that I could stand strong on my own. I want to truly believe that the ultimate love is a love that I already possess. A love that's been there all along, amidst any future boyfriends and dating scenes: self-love - the ultimate love.
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when you start a long course degree I know the first thought in most everyone's mind will be, "But, that will interfere with getting married and having children!" It's unfortunate that the first thought couldn't have been, "WOW, she has accomplished so much! She's making such a great life for herself all on her own!" Nope. That would only contradict generations of patriarchy's goal to chain my ankles to the kitchen, having one hand feeding my son and the other ironing my husband's shirt, given that the chain would be long enough for me to do so, of course.
Before I get everyone all riled up and start getting verbal attacks of being a "man-hating feminist", let me first say that feminism is NOT a women's issue. Plenty of men out there are feminists. Plenty of men do not agree with patriarchy. So, I don't hate on men. I like men.Plain and simple. Secondly, I am by no means saying that a woman who stays at home is not pro-feminism. I think that taking on the responsibility of caring for an entire household is not just a responsibility but, an actual job. A job that gets overlooked. A job that society doesn't give enough credit to. What does piss me off is the notion that this job is naturally a woman's job. Now that all of that is cleared up, I shall digress...
Back to an unmarried life. Yes, I would be twenty-four years old and unmarried. Looking through my MySpace and Facebook, I will easily estimate that at least half of my friends/classmates from high school would be engaged or married.We all know that relationships are never what they appear to be from an outside view. Hell, marriage doesn't even always equate to love. What those women have isn't necessarily what I need anyway.
Are we all settling because of this stupid timeline that decrees you a failure if you're not married by 30? Of course, love itself is relative to culture and differs from person to person, but are we really that uncomfortable with being unmarried? Why is it so horrible to live your life and better yourself in every way possible and just let love come to you? Why are we searching "out there" for someone to love us when love is already within ourselves? I would be lying if I said I don't enjoy companionship, but what is it that makes me need someone else? I don't believe a man would "complete" me. I believe I complete me...but then why do I long for someone else to validate me?
I have all these crazy questions and thoughts in my head. I suppose that's where my concoction begins to brew. I'm frustrated because I want the external voices to stop. I'm impatient to experience my idea of love. And I fear that by wanting Mr. Right to propose to me means that I am stunting my growth as an individual.
If I do fall in love and get married, I want to be a complete person. I want to be someone's partner, not his dependent. I suppose what I want right now is to truly believe that I could stand strong on my own. I want to truly believe that the ultimate love is a love that I already possess. A love that's been there all along, amidst any future boyfriends and dating scenes: self-love - the ultimate love.
Good Luck with that. This didn't have anything to do with what I posted though.
Again, best of luck.
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hmm seems like you want to get out of the debate because you are pre-convinced you are right? how are people to debate to minds that are already set in place? Then anything you say is taken like an air blow!.
Sure, you have every right to please your man and spit out babies, BUT you also have the right to choose a good, honest path for yourself which doesn’t fall into a restrictive category for women. I never said I won't be attracted to some man, God i can't count how many crushes I had, just the idea of tying one-self to man and family is what i oppose. You link the word "marriage" to the disney-like idea of happily ever after. If you are so sure that i won't be "normal" leading a single life I can tell you that I am hell as sure that divorce rates are on the increase and that not every kid you raise would turn up to be the idol you anticipate. I am realistic and down to earth that's all. That is why i don't expect you to accept my views of life. You have been raised for 16 years? on those minds and prespectives, how can i expect anything less. My posts yesterday were short and didn't include al what I wanted since i used a mobile.
If you want to get out of this, no problem. And thanks for wishing me god luck. I'll do the same, you'll need it more than me in the life you want to walk into.
A man who wants a woman whose greatest passions in life are looking cute and adding to the gene pool is NOT good enough life for me.
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As I said, you are not posting ANY facts so all what you are saying is just an opinion of yours which only matters to no one but you. =]
No one said marriage is the happily after life. Problems and fights happens, even between my mother and my father. This is life people who love each other fight, friends, sisters, parents etc etc
You want to stay alone, live alone and DIE ALONE then LOL sweety that's your choice. Your parents won't live forever, your friends will have their own lives even your siblings will find someone they love whom they will want to get married to, it will just be you earning money, being successful and spending it all on YOURSELF, yes only yourself because you are a person who wants to live alone.
I follow my religion which is common sense and logic. Nothing matters to me after that. =]
I don't believe in luck to be honest, so I'd rather tell you please pray for me to have a leading life with children who would be LEADERS, children who would take care of their mother when she gets old n sick, children who would pray for me when I am in my grave (just like my mom prays for her parents), children who I would have a non-stopping good deeds for what they do in this world (sadqa jariaha ya3ni), children who would change this world to the better and after all a husband who stays with me in my life forever and in my afterlife together in paradise inshAllah. =]
I was always strong with personality, no girl in this world could beat my strong personality, I don't even have MANY crushes like you, I don't even care about men and in my 16 years I achieved a lot but still I have logic. =]
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As I said, you are not posting ANY facts so all what you are saying is just an opinion of yours which only matters to no one but you. =]
No one said marriage is the happily after life. Problems and fights happens, even between my mother and my father. This is life people who love each other fight, friends, sisters, parents etc etc
You want to stay alone, live alone and DIE ALONE then LOL sweety that's your choice. Your parents won't live forever, your friends will have their own lives even your siblings will find someone they love whom they will want to get married to, it will just be you earning money, being successful and spending it all on YOURSELF, yes only yourself because you are a person who wants to live alone.
I follow my religion which is common sense and logic. Nothing matters to me after that. =]
I don't believe in luck to be honest, so I'd rather tell you please pray for me to have a leading life with children who would be LEADERS, children who would take care of their mother when she gets old n sick, children who would pray for me when I am in my grave (just like my mom prays for her parents), children who I would have a non-stopping good deeds for what they do in this world (sadqa jariaha ya3ni), children who would change this world to the better and after all a husband who stays with me in my life forever and in my afterlife together in paradise inshAllah. =]
I was always strong with personality, no girl in this world could beat my strong personality, I don't even have MANY crushes like you, I don't even care about men and in my 16 years I achieved a lot but still I have logic. =]
not marrying does not necessary mean i would get money to spend on myself. I never said that. I want to make a change so that more people would care about my well being or death. More than just kids and husband. If you don't believe in luck how come you wish it to people? You seriously think that spending life like this is intruging. Its like a story copy-paste. I want sadqa jariah i'll build a mosque and get hasanat every time someone prays there. And to think your children would be leaders, are you? I mean why don't you think that like how you want to marry and have kids how are leaders, your kids would want the same thing. It'll be a wish clinging on getting kids to acheive. Seriously what part of giving your life to others is so pleasing to you? yeah may the power of logic be with us all. I don't state facts because like I said earlier, this sole surviving of a female alone is a new idea which is not expected to be adhered by people who have a copy-paste thinking like you. A few years back people would talk about women work and education with oh-so-many "facts" like you. They'll get quotes from everywhere and state it with their "strong personality". Google all the aticles and fights and rebillions that happened towards that issue. It was not accepted right away and was opposed by many, and this is what exactly i expect toward what i believe in. People find it easier to object and ridicuole new thoughts than to accept them and fight for them. I am not an -easy- to go person.
and just for the record: Its weird for someone with a "real" strong personality to say:"I was always strong with personality, no girl in this world could beat my strong personality". Thats overstating it, isn't it? And if it is not, this has to be remarked by others, not you.
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not marrying does not necessary mean i would get money to spend on myself. I never said that. I want to make a change so that more people would care about my well being or death. More than just kids and husband. If you don't believe in luck how come you wish it to people? You seriously think that spending life like this is intruging. Its like a story copy-paste. I want sadqa jariah i'll build a mosque and get hasanat every time someone prays there. And to think your children would be leaders, are you? I mean why don't you think that like how you want to marry and have kids how are leaders, your kids would want the same thing. It'll be a wish clinging on getting kids to acheive. Seriously what part of giving your life to others is so pleasing to you? yeah may the power of logic be with us all. I don't state facts because like I said earlier, this sole surviving of a female alone is a new idea which is not expected to be adhered by people who have a copy-paste thinking like you. A few years back people would talk about women work and education with oh-so-many "facts" like you. They'll get quotes from everywhere and state it with their "strong personality". Google all the aticles and fights and rebillions that happened towards that issue. It was not accepted right away and was opposed by many, and this is what exactly i expect toward what i believe in. People find it easier to object and ridicuole new thoughts than to accept them and fight for them. I am not an -easy- to go person.
and just for the record: Its weird for someone with a "real" strong personality to say:"I was always strong with personality, no girl in this world could beat my strong personality". Thats overstating it, isn't it? And if it is not, this has to be remarked by others, not you.
Let me tell you something, you are a selfish person. All you care about is yourself and no one else, that is why you will never be successful in your life. =]
Prove is here : "Seriously what part of giving your life to others is so pleasing to you?"
I won't comment any further, got an exam and I dislike wasting my time with people who are not willing to give their lives to other people because they are completely selfish. Face the fact and don't be angry. I like be honest. =]
As I said before, you are a muslim and if I would enter religion into this I would prove every single word of what you said wrong, but oh well rabena yahdeeki begad.lol. w yahdeeni ana kaman. =]
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Closest people know I am a strong person, they even said it to me.
I faced many tough things in life which turned me to who I am right now. A strong person indeed, not physically but mentally.
Yes, I wish luck and still say "don't" forget praying.
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Closest people know I am a strong person, they even said it to me.
I faced many tough things in life which turned me to who I am right now. A strong person indeed, not physically but mentally.
Yes, I wish luck and still say "don't" forget praying.
Yeah i got an exam too. But if you have objected my opinion in a good way I would have told you that go lead a life with your thoughts and i'll lead a life with mine. But you used sarcasm and you would offend "you are selfish" and say don't be offended? How contradicting! If you have read twice you would see that I want to live a life to benefit the human race, not ONLY my kids. Not live to benefit only myself! Read and then post. "I want to make a change so that more people would care about my well being or death.''
As I said before I got an exam too, but I gave time to argue, decently, with someone who has twice offended and the said "no offence"! So that would be the only wrong thing I did here. If people have said it to you, that you got a strong persona, good for you. But don't go saying it to others to affect the way they judge you. As a person just meeting you, I have to make my own judgement, not be implied on track by you.Having a strong persona doesn't normally go with a tough tongue though.
And I will never "forget" to pray. That is another thing, read what you write before pressing the post button.
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You really don't remember me? Last year we used to pm trying to solve chemistry doubts about moles together and we spoke a lot.! Omgish! I thought you knew me!!!!!!!
Again, I apologize, my honesty hurts at times.
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Let me tell you something, you are a selfish person. All you care about is yourself and no one else, that is why you will never be successful in your life. =]
Prove is here : "Seriously what part of giving your life to others is so pleasing to you?"
I won't comment any further, got an exam and I dislike wasting my time with people who are not willing to give their lives to other people because they are completely selfish. Face the fact and don't be angry. I like be honest. =]
As I said before, you are a muslim and if I would enter religion into this I would prove every single word of what you said wrong, but oh well rabena yahdeeki begad.lol. w yahdeeni ana kaman. =]
I don't really get why you insist on making this personal, you don't even know my name, who are you to judge me based on a topic of debate just because I choose the opposite side. That is not a healthy way to approach a debate by the way.
and : =] " is the fakest smile.Ever.
Yes " I thought" I knew you.sadly enough. But thanks for the apology. Please stop making it personal cause if I start dissing the conversation won't go anywhere.
W b3dein 2na dah ra2y, ma3 25telaf 2l2ara2 yabqa 2lwed beynana. fo2 2nek moslema zaye 2nty kaman masreya y3ni 2lmafrood 3la rasy...yb2a leih kda?
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You really don't remember me? Last year we used to pm trying to solve chemistry doubts about moles together and we spoke a lot.! Omgish! I thought you knew me!!!!!!!
Again, I apologize, my honesty hurts at times.
Yes I do remeber.And seeing how people talk to you, you appeared to be someone who would address this issue through the forum, not personally.
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when you start a long course degree I know the first thought in most everyone's mind will be, "But, that will interfere with getting married and having children!" It's unfortunate that the first thought couldn't have been, "WOW, she has accomplished so much! She's making such a great life for herself all on her own!" Nope. That would only contradict generations of patriarchy's goal to chain my ankles to the kitchen, having one hand feeding my son and the other ironing my husband's shirt, given that the chain would be long enough for me to do so, of course.
Before I get everyone all riled up and start getting verbal attacks of being a "man-hating feminist", let me first say that feminism is NOT a women's issue. Plenty of men out there are feminists. Plenty of men do not agree with patriarchy. So, I don't hate on men. I like men.Plain and simple. Secondly, I am by no means saying that a woman who stays at home is not pro-feminism. I think that taking on the responsibility of caring for an entire household is not just a responsibility but, an actual job. A job that gets overlooked. A job that society doesn't give enough credit to. What does piss me off is the notion that this job is naturally a woman's job. Now that all of that is cleared up, I shall digress...
Back to an unmarried life. Yes, I would be twenty-four years old and unmarried. Looking through my MySpace and Facebook, I will easily estimate that at least half of my friends/classmates from high school would be engaged or married.We all know that relationships are never what they appear to be from an outside view. Hell, marriage doesn't even always equate to love. What those women have isn't necessarily what I need anyway.
Are we all settling because of this stupid timeline that decrees you a failure if you're not married by 30? Of course, love itself is relative to culture and differs from person to person, but are we really that uncomfortable with being unmarried? Why is it so horrible to live your life and better yourself in every way possible and just let love come to you? Why are we searching "out there" for someone to love us when love is already within ourselves? I would be lying if I said I don't enjoy companionship, but what is it that makes me need someone else? I don't believe a man would "complete" me. I believe I complete me...but then why do I long for someone else to validate me?
I have all these crazy questions and thoughts in my head. I suppose that's where my concoction begins to brew. I'm frustrated because I want the external voices to stop. I'm impatient to experience my idea of love. And I fear that by wanting Mr. Right to propose to me means that I am stunting my growth as an individual.
If I do fall in love and get married, I want to be a complete person. I want to be someone's partner, not his dependent. I suppose what I want right now is to truly believe that I could stand strong on my own. I want to truly believe that the ultimate love is a love that I already possess. A love that's been there all along, amidst any future boyfriends and dating scenes: self-love - the ultimate love.
Harsh. But would you chose your uni degree over your son, a person who looks up to you? You dont have to get married at Uni, most people get married after that you know.
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W b3dein 2na dah ra2y, ma3 25telaf 2l2ara2 yabqa 2lwed beynana. fo2 2nek moslema zaye 2nty kaman masreya y3ni 2lmafrood 3la rasy...yb2a leih kda?
loooool..ya benti ana mosh taking it personal! That is why I used the smile to show you eno I am not being personal.
Did you see me getting angry aw 7aga? Again I apologize don't like to enter debates aslan because they cause misconception.
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Harsh. But would you chose your uni degree over your son, a person who looks up to you? You dont have to get married at Uni, most people get married after that you know.
Ya they do. But if you choose to take the long path of a doctorate, say you are 30 something when you are done. People would look at this woman like a weird person for not thinking family life earlier, rather than appreciating her acheivments.
shousho....Its okay :). rabena ma3aki in ur exams though. We you can continue to debate 3adi. Bas i got your point in this topic and no problem, deep down there I know i'll have to get married someday, I am just not looking forward to it. The society is much stronger than my views, but the longer i argue the longer i'll hold on. Or atleast I think so :P
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Ya they do. But if you choose to take the long path of a doctorate, say you are 30 something when you are done. People would look at this woman like a weird person for not thinking family life earlier, rather than appreciating her acheivments.
Well, I see nothing wierd in that. But, tell me, will she not have trouble getting married then?
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Having trouble getting married at 30? No wayy...
People now marry much later than before. I wouldn't think of getting married before say 27/28. I wish to be something on my own, so I can start a family and look after it. I want my family to have a comfortable life.
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Well, I see nothing wierd in that. But, tell me, will she not have trouble getting married then?
maybe if the person she chooses is shallow to think about her through her age not her personality that has developed better at that age. I think a storng man doesn't take by the looks/age.
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shousho....Its okay :). rabena ma3aki in ur exams though. We you can continue to debate 3adi. Bas i got your point in this topic and no problem, deep down there I know i'll have to get married someday, I am just not looking forward to it. The society is much stronger than my views, but the longer i argue the longer i'll hold on. Or atleast I think so :P
Well, I am glad then that you know that someday you have to get married.
Yala, eb2i pm me ba25ar a5barak and what you are doing w keda. Egyptians ba2a na2dar na5ood w nadi fel kalam :P raghi ya3ni :P
LOL, InshAllah you will do great in your exams! I am really out of this debate, I spoke too much. =]
@Nid, agree. =]
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I just dont feel like debating today, I mean, the points you all state are general, and like quite frankly, can easily be defeated by logic, what you have to do is put in emotional choices and not logical ones, so that the person who is debating you hesitates to rite mch!
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I missed the party yesterday.
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OMG this is what happens when i return after 7 hrs !!! 3 pages
@mony and @sweetest angel please dont take things personally this is just a debate and every one has their opinion
m not so good at debating so please bear with me
the point is not that all shouldn't get married then obviously the earth would be a lot of different its just that a few people dont believe in the concept of marriage
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LOL, actually I posted that long post yesterday because the forum was so quiet and then all a sudden everyone starts debating again. :P
*showing off* lol JK. :P
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hehe its cool
its good to have forum worked up and as admin u would love that :D
i like debates but long posts noooooooooooooooooo
i just dont like reading too much :P
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My keyboard is ringing in my ears
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lol thats what debates can do
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hehe its cool
its good to have forum worked up and as admin u would love that :D
i like debates but long posts noooooooooooooooooo
i just dont like reading too much :P
guess what? I haven't slept since yesterday. bwahaha :P and I have an exam in the morning.
@Astar...loool..I bet you always even dream of it in your sleep. It is because you are always typing.
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go get some sleep
even i didnt sleep since yest but gave my exam
its been more than 2 days i supp that i havent slept :P
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when is ur next exam
cuz need 2 disturb u for acc :P ;)
go get proper sleep n get done with exam and m there to disturb you most inti accountant :P
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Yes sure! I've been busy with pure Math, that's why not been solving accounting for some time.
After I get over with math and french we will sit there and just do ACCOUNTING, ACCOUNTING AND ACCOUNTING! :P
Your questions make me practice so it is not disturbing really. =]
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happy then :P :)
24 acc right when is french
igcse French right even i had done that :D but didnt score well :-[
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lol ya yest. i was wondering how come u r up so late wid so much energy to write. i mean saudi is like one hour diff. nd ova here its was 4 a.m. here and fajr was praying
:o. but i guess xams can do more to a person. I am up to get a sniker to get me through the morning ;D
lol @ astar's post!
and yeah logic would come in handy through a topic like this one...but they used logic to argue women going to work...they said life should be divided and that owmen staying at home is the best because that is the role she is most fit to.But see them now.
By the way lol at every time i try to post it goes like warning someone posted XP
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yes this thread is always like that :P
and yeah logic would come in handy through a topic like this one...but they used logic to argue women going to work...they said life should be divided and that owmen staying at home is the best because that is the role she is most fit to
who ever said this :o :o i never noticed
how can any1 in this century thing like that ??
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Century is 100 years so i'd say it wasn't this century, its from the start of the whole women freedom thing, i guess that was more than a hundred years ago, since 1900's start
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ohk
i just meant like nobody in 21 century will ever say that :P
but its good to see some1 (u) with similar thoughts :D
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ohk
i just meant like nobody in 21 century will ever say that :P
but its good to see some1 (u) with similar thoughts :D
yup its a relief to see people who support.One day they is going to be a whole population of us and then we'll be heared without anyone daring to argue :P sometime soon i hope :)
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:D
people actually have started thinking this way but the thing is there are not much here
and soon people will realize about what we mean to say :P
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I'll reply when I get the time to...
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Sweetest angel, I agree with pretty much everything you say, but not the idea that a women shouldn't marry.
Haven't got time either. Expect to join this fun tomorrow. :P
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Sweetest angel, I agree with pretty much everything you say, but not the idea that a women shouldn't marry.
Haven't got time either. Expect to join this fun tomorrow. :P
Lol okay we'll wait ;D for u too Alpha :D
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Lol okay we'll wait ;D for u too Alpha :D
Thanks...
Seems that you're enjoying holidays, cause I'm hopping with work.
Allez, see you later... ;)
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Thanks...
Seems that you're enjoying holidays, cause I'm hopping with work.
Allez, see you later... ;)
Lol not really am studying for my Alevels. But its nice to have a place not far away from your desk to spend some free time :D
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haha so that means this thread is going 2 go dead :o :(
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I seriously can't believe how you people are saying no to marriage.
Waste of time? waste of life? Marrying someone, having children from that person, raising up strong men/women in the world is a waste of time? Raising up people who can be the reason this world would be a better place is a waste of time?
Life is not just about me. I will get bored of it if I would always stay alone thinking of not marrying someone because it is a waste of money and life. This is pure non-sense, thinking that money should be spent on me only.
Someday you will want to open your own family, this is life. Someone who would be there with you when your hair is grey, someone who would take care of you when you get sick(children), someone who would always share their bed with you, someone who would you company.
A woman is not living life fully if she is not getting married. I know close people to me who did not get married till today and they are going to be 40 something, they don't like life this way. They don't like it when they see their friends having their own families with their own children while they are sitting there with nothing but work.
Marriage was never a waste of time. If it was, then you yourself would've never been brought up in this world. Look at your parents and look at how they raised you. Do you call this a waste of time and money? I do not believe so.
I don't take parts of debates much but you people made me stunned with your point of view and so I had to say something.
You will die soon, thus having children to send a message to this world after your death. It is like you building the future, teaching your children and your children teaching their own children etc etc like a cycle.
Just like how my grandmother taught my mom, made her the best person your eyes might see. A person who changes bad people to good. I swear to God. Now my mom, raises my sister and I in the same way and GUESS WHAT?! I made 4 people wear hijab and GUESS WHAT ALSO, I was just 12-13 years old. And still when I become an older person I will GIVE ALL MY POWER in making this world a better one. I promise. and you know what also? I will bring children who will InshAllah will be strong like me and who will be the reason this place would become better. I will build the future with my own hands because this is how my mother raised me as long as Allah is by my side.
Pure non-sense to me all what you are saying. That is why I am not debating with you. As long as others agree I will not try any harder to change your point of view.
You are right, there was no need to bring you in this world. You said it yourself. =]
No offence meant to you. Best of luck for living alone. =]
You should debate more... :)
You really amazed me... + rep :)
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Though I'm a guy, I hate the concept of female slavery. If I were a woman (now don't laugh :P ), I would never like it that I have to hear what my husband tells me to, even if it goes against my wishes. ::)
Women should be more concerned about their career than just about their husband. Its not that what the husband has = what the wife has. Shes got to have her own separate identity and success.
To do this, marriage is often a hindrance to women, I fully agree. But you can be very choosy in your approach and only choose like-minded husbands. Not leave marriage altogether.
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i hate to disagree but.....i dnt really buy into this love thing. i don't believe in it. although i see everybody around in my family happily married and my parents are as well...i just dnt believe in a person who'd stay there forever..i mean GOD i'd get bored the next year ><. and why would a girl, after getting out of her parents control, like say 21 years old, would go into some other man's control. can't i b normal just by myself? do i have to BELONG to same male so that i am human? and what kind of common sense makes one believe that a man would always see her as the most perfect :/. if he liked u for your looks, their is always the more beautiful...for ur persona? there is always the more confident, smart,etc...!
so WTH. i'll love to live for me and only me. not for some man who'd think just because i have an XY chromosome i'll have to posses qualities like cooking and cleaning. these are not sex linked genes u know!! sry am a bio student :P.
i believe in equality between male and female. marriage destroys everything i believe in. from having his name after your kid's (whom u gave birth to AND raised!) to having him set the rules in the house! when will u ppl b unblinded from that repetitive "love" talk -__-. the only love i'll ever give is to my parents and grandparents, whom very much deserve it!
Exactly. Me too. Fully agree with each statement.
After a long time, found someone like-minded! ;D
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like minded husbands are fine but still
a female after marriage can never walk off on her own WTH why not ??
even we have our identity n staying in ties is not acceptable always
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like minded husbands are fine but still
a female after marriage can never walk off on her own WTH why not ??
even we have our identity n staying in ties is not acceptable always
Exactly - The society should accept it. Its pity that most don't. Marriage is nothing serious, anyway.
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oh god yes !! its so nice to know other people think the same way !!!
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oh god yes !! its so nice to know other people think the same way !!!
Thank You!
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WC
:P :P :P
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Exactly - The society should accept it. Its pity that most don't. Marriage is nothing serious, anyway.
OMG u made my day (night actually :P).
And for those who think we won't survive unless we compel to other's thoughts and ways of life...all I can say is to come and see us in ten years or something. Sometimes its good to be different. It makes one feel better to know that he/she will lead a life that is different than the boring old routine. Its a different saga, then why not?
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WC
:P :P :P
Seeing that zzzzzzzzZZZzzzz thing in your ID I thought you were zainy or something :P :P
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You should debate more... :)
You really amazed me... + rep :)
awww Thank You Alpha! But you are a better debater than me! :D
In real life, I always debate a lot but just in the forum I prefer staying away from some debates. I really had fun posting in this topic. =]
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In real life, I always debate a lot but just in the forum I prefer staying away from some debates. I really had fun posting in this topic. =]
Why? ???
You should try debating more! ;)
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Why? ???
You should try debating more! ;)
Not allowed to debate in things related to religion or politics.
Most debates will end up in either of them, religion or politics.
I read about this person being killed because he entered a chatroom and kept insulting a religion! :o
Here in Egypt, an 18 year old girl was talking about Egyptian politics, they tracked her and police took her into jail. =| It was like seriously a big issue in Egypt, you can google it.
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Not allowed to debate in things related to religion or politics.
Most debates will end up in either of them, religion or politics.
I read about this person being killed because he entered a chatroom and kept insulting a religion! :o
Here in Egypt, an 18 year old girl was talking about Egyptian politics, they tracked her and police took her into jail. =| It was like seriously a big issue in Egypt, you can google it.
Oh my! :o :o
OKay..
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The Armanious family massacre was the murder of a Coptic Christian immigrant family who lived in Jersey City. On January 14, 2005, Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife Amal Garas, 37, and two daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were found murdered in their home. After being bound, the family died of puncture wounds to their heads, necks and bodies.
Many Copts, whose coreligionists report persecution in Egypt, and some national commentators thought that Hossam Armanous had or might have been murdered because of conflicts with Muslims in an internet chat room.
Wikipedia.
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http://goatmilkblog.com/2009/11/30/top-10-things-you-should-never-discuss-online/
10 things not to be discussed
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I think i came late to the party but oh well, for me Marriage is something beautiful, completing and loving. There is nothing like to love and be loved, care and be cared, help and be helped. Its a very complex feeling to explain it but its a very great and pleasing feeling. Sure, you'll have a big responsibility by taking care of your wife.etc But, i believe if she loves you that much, she is willing to understand the situation your in that time and also, give care back.
Love is all about sharing, understanding, fun and just all around a good company and a good time. For the people who think being alone is better and all that, i used to think like that, but when love comes along its going to hit you like a truck. You wont notice it and when you do, its already too late, your in love.
Also, i don't support BF's GF's relationships which are just for bragging rights and how cool i am.etc, That is just all fun in games. I think the word love is being abused by this, love is nothing like that. Marriage also, is about connecting families and overall, its just a beautiful, pleasing and a wonderful thing.
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@PeaceMaker
I don't really oppose marriage, but I think everybody overestimates the 'importance' of love in marriage. I love my parent and brothers, and noone else. And I'm not really clear, how is it possible to love someone else. ::)
Yeah yeah, I do find some girls pretty, but love?! No way! ::)
If something called 'love' (for someone other than family members) exists, I would call it sheer madness. Because it definitely is.
And no. Everybody has different viewpoints about this. Its not technically possible to 'fall in love' with somebody. You said its 'complex'. Why not make everything simple?
And remember, its not compulsory to 'fall in love' to marry someone. So, this doesn't necessarily mean I oppose marriage.
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@PeaceMaker
I don't really oppose marriage, but I think everybody overestimates the 'importance' of love in marriage. I love my parent and brothers, and noone else. And I'm not really clear, how is it possible to love someone else. ::)
Yeah yeah, I do find some girls pretty, but love?! No way! ::)
If something called 'love' (for someone other than family members) exists, I would call it sheer madness. Because it definitely is.
And no. Everybody has different viewpoints about this. Its not technically possible to 'fall in love' with somebody. You said its 'complex'. Why not make everything simple?
And remember, its not compulsory to 'fall in love' to marry someone. So, this doesn't necessarily mean I oppose marriage.
BOOM! I'm back.
It is not compulsory to fall in love. It happens...you don't make yourself love someone..lol. I don't want my parents to look for a guy. I want to find the one I can spend the rest of my life with. So, even if something happens, I don't have to blame my parents for not choosing the right person.
One day, you will find a girl who suits you best...like you guys are made for each other. + I'm sure she won't love your money :P
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@PeaceMaker
I don't really oppose marriage, but I think everybody overestimates the 'importance' of love in marriage. I love my parent and brothers, and noone else. And I'm not really clear, how is it possible to love someone else. ::)
Yeah yeah, I do find some girls pretty, but love?! No way! ::)
If something called 'love' (for someone other than family members) exists, I would call it sheer madness. Because it definitely is.
And no. Everybody has different viewpoints about this. Its not technically possible to 'fall in love' with somebody. You said its 'complex'. Why not make everything simple?
And remember, its not compulsory to 'fall in love' to marry someone. So, this doesn't necessarily mean I oppose marriage.
Yeah exactly. I didn't really take it as you opposed it but i was stating my view on marriage and love in general. Its complex as in, its a very complex feeling and not a very complex thing to do. Its just i don't know how to explain the feeling but as i said " i ts a very great and pleasing feeling "
Its of course not compulsory to fall in love and marry someone. It all depends on what the person want to do, some people like to say "I want to see more of life before giving into such thing" some people just arn't comfortable and prefer to be alone "Not emo" but they feel comfortable alone. Some people cannot do such a thing because the goal they are aiming at is not compatible for such a thing until maybe at a later time in life.
But for me, its a beautiful, thoughtful, completing and wonderful thing. Loving a girl by looks of course isn't love, thats lust.
Love is just loving the persons soul you know? its just that you cant see yourself without the girl. She maybe awesome, beautiful, very funny and you both just have stuff in common and you enjoy her company.
I think in my view, is that when you love a person, then the person that you loved is a person you cannot live without or see yourself without. You just feel right when your with that person.
But of course, its not compulsory. This is life, its full of options so choose what suits you best. ;)
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http://goatmilkblog.com/2009/11/30/top-10-things-you-should-never-discuss-online/
10 things not to be discussed
Hahaha! The middle east part is so true. I hope to live to see the day where everyone can understand each other and know what peace is :D
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Its of course not compulsory to fall in love and marry someone. It all depends on what the person want to do, some people like to say "I want to see more of life before giving into such thing" some people just arn't comfortable and prefer to be alone "Not emo" but they feel comfortable alone. Some people cannot do such a thing because the goal they are aiming at is not compatible for such a thing until maybe at a later time in life.
Well, I seem to fall in the last category! ;)
Good luck in achieving what you want!
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Well, I seem to fall in the last category! ;)
Good luck in achieving what you want!
Thanks. And good luck to you too, mate!
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Thanks. And good luck to you too, mate!
You're welcome!
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i dont think true love exists any more its just in fairy tales
leaving that point alone loving a person doesnt mean u marry him/her its just that u love . generally marriage has the power to break strongest love marriage leaves evry one with only responsibilities and nothing
and OMG I read about this person being killed because he entered a chatroom and kept insulting a religion!
Here in Egypt, an 18 year old girl was talking about Egyptian politics, they tracked her and police took her into jail. =| It was like seriously a big issue in Egypt, you can google it.
how can anyone take debates so personally !!!
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i dont think true love exists any more its just in fairy tales
Disney rules this world :)
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oh yeh true
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true love as mentioned by ***exam*** exists in fairy tales.... i truely support that viewpoint but genuine or tru love does not need to exist onli in fairy tales ....
i bellive that the savagery in every man or woman has made him/ her go after the importance of wealth and power so th evalue of love vanishes even between families or people disappears......
marriage shows the legal connection between a man and woman ..... in spiritual terms it is given as a commandment by God ...
i find now adays people do carry out living relationships..... which are common which i s absolutely wrong.....
and i don't belive falling in love after marraige .......it is better to fall in love then get married or leave your life as a bachelor till the end..... ;D
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guys y talk abt marriage when we r not even in the marriage age to even start talkin abt it .....just chill mates ;)............
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guys y talk abt marriage when we r not even in the marriage age to even start talkin abt it .....just chill mates ............
lol right !!
but i thought we were supposed 2 debate on marriage ;)
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Man and woman are one. That is why marriage has existed for centuries.
It puts responsibility in a pair, and united them under a common goal.
You see, you need to realize, that, independence is offered in marriage, its just that you have to be wise when coming to chose a Husband.
Thank you Alpha for your elaborate explanation and argument.
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lol right !!
but i thought we were supposed 2 debate on marriage ;)
lol :D
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Lol yes! This topic is now a debate ON marriage! ::)
Yes I do think its necessary for people to marry. But women should get rid of the idea that they "can't". Thats not true. Well, they can. And often without men. So career of a women comes first. Then husband and kids. No compromise with career.
But putting it the other way, my picture of a successful couple is this:
Rich husband with more money than ever will be needed and of course, generous.
No divorces.
No more than 4 obedient children.
Absolute trust between husband and wife.
If she wants, the wife can work or be a housewife.
This is quite enough in my opinion.
Problem is, not every families are rich. Most are not. Here comes need for the women to be a 'career woman'. And in this case, the wife's career comes at front of everything, even her husband and kids. Because the family must have enough money to cater for everything that might be needed like education and buying houses and properties and stuffs.
Pz.
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its not only money we want to work 4 its for standing up on ur feet being urself and achieving goal :)
Rich husband with more money than ever will be needed and of course, generous.
No divorces.
No more than 4 obedient children.
Absolute trust between husband and wife.
If she wants, the wife can work or be a housewife.
the wife should be the rich one
OMG 4 kids which world r u in ?? :o :o :o
Yes I do think its necessary for people to marry. But women should get rid of the idea that they "can't". Thats not true. Well, they can. And often without men. So career of a women comes first. Then husband and kids. No compromise with career.
wow that is true !!
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No. I don't agree. Its only about the money. If the family has it, whether she'll work or not is her own opinion (be it from the husbands or the wife's side). Nothing to be forced. If the family is not rich it is a must for her to be a career woman with no compromises with husband or kids.
If the family is rich, it doesn't make much sense for a wife to leave husband and kids to fend for themselves and 'stand up on their own'. ::)
I said NO MORE than 4 kids. ::)
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If the family is rich, it doesn't make much sense for a wife to leave husband and kids to fend for themselves and 'stand up on their own'.
no the point here is of self worth and self respect not about being rich or poor
and anyday if a women has a family to look after can she concentrate on her career ? give it the priority over kids ?? :-\
I said NO MORE than 4 kids.
i think it should be no more than 2 kids cuz of the population explosion :)
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no the point here is of self worth and self respect not about being rich or poor
and anyday if a women has a family to look after can she concentrate on her career ? give it the priority over kids ?? :-\i think it should be no more than 2 kids cuz of the population explosion :)
He can have as many kids as he likes. LOL
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haha i know ...... lol :P
but people better start thinking about earth !! :P
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haha i know ...... lol :P
but people better start thinking about earth !! :P
When people start doing so, there will be world peace. And we all know, that aint eva gonna happen. LOL
I sound so pescimistic.
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I always thought of having 2-3 kids max but later I changed my opinion, I thought the more kids I have the more I will raise up people who send my message/words (of the prophet ofc) after my death.
So I thought 5-4-6 :P :P
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hahaha lol lol
nice excuse !! :D
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I always thought of having 2-3 kids max but later I changed my opinion, I thought the more kids I have the more I will raise up people who send my message/words (of the prophet ofc) after my death.
So I thought 5-4-6 :P :P
I'm gonna have a heart attack now. LOL
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What I want in a woman:
(1) Educated.
(2) Open Minded.
(3) Likes travel and reading.
I'd only like one kid, boy or girl, but if my wife wants another one I wouldn't mind, so a max. of 2.
Any volunteers? :P
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What I want in a woman:
(1) Educated.
(2) Open Minded.
(3) Likes travel and reading.
I'd only like one kid, boy or girl, but if my wife wants another one I wouldn't mind, so a max. of 2.
Any volunteers? :P
Good man.
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What I want in a woman:
(1) Educated.
(2) Open Minded.
(3) Likes travel and reading.
I'd only like one kid, boy or girl, but if my wife wants another one I wouldn't mind, so a max. of 2.
Any volunteers?
haha lol
already planned ur life after marriage lol
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I always thought of having 2-3 kids max but later I changed my opinion, I thought the more kids I have the more I will raise up people who send my message/words (of the prophet ofc) after my death.
So I thought 5-4-6 :P :P
seriously u need some family plannin....later in ur life trust me taht can help u alot.........
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I was thinking...
This thread's title should be changed to 'Family planning!' :P :D
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haha i know
its not what it was started 4 !!!!!! :D
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number of kids doesnt matter as long as you have the money to spend on them
doesnt make sense to get many and not be able to feed them then complain
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Kids are beautiful.
Imagine having someone who is made out of you.
lol. No, seriously, your skin, your blood.
I want kids.
I don't mind how many.
But I want beautiful kids <3
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Kids are beautiful.
Imagine having someone who is made out of you.
lol. No, seriously, your skin, your blood.
I want kids.
I don't mind how many.
But I want beautiful kids <3
OMG :o :o :o :o really !!! wow nice thinking !! :P
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Kids are beautiful.
Imagine having someone who is made out of you.
lol. No, seriously, your skin, your blood.
I want kids.
I don't mind how many.
But I want beautiful kids <3
talk about cute :D!
true, kids are beautiful and adorable. Imagine a new life for you to mould, to follow in your footsteps... amazing :o
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talk about cute :D!
true, kids are beautiful and adorable. Imagine a new life for you to mould, to follow in your footsteps... amazing :o
sub7anallah, yes.
I find them fascinating. (:
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If i were to get married ::),he should be:
honest
genuine
sincere
loyal
have faith in Allah
AND 8)
superr-smart
superr-intelligent ;D
superr-cute
superr-handsome
super-etc...
lol...he should be my soulmate.simple as that i guess. the one made for me :-X
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If i were to get married ::),he should be:
honest
genuine
sincere
loyal
have faith in Allah
AND 8)
superr-smart
superr-intelligent ;D
superr-cute
superr-handsome
super-etc...
lol...he should be my soulmate.simple as that i guess. the one made for me :-X
ya5ti!!! hathi nafs shuroo6i :P :P :P ::)
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"ya5ti!!! hathi nafs shuroo6i" wat does that mean :P ?
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"ya5ti!!! hathi nafs shuroo6i" wat does that mean :P ?
i thought ur an arab , anyways it means
( girl , this also my rules of the person who'll marry me ;) )
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he should be a gentlemen cuz there isnt alot of them out there these days :(
and has a dreamy smile and sparkly eyes lol like chace crawford or channing tatum **sighhhh
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no need to look into shaadi.com..........
u will find ur dream boy or girl from student forum......
the e-website marriage broker: student forum
hahah.......
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no need to look into shaadi.com..........
u will find ur dream boy or girl from student forum......
the e-website marriage broker: student forum
hahah.......
ya true... :D
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no need to look into shaadi.com..........
u will find ur dream boy or girl from student forum......
the e-website marriage broker: student forum
hahah.......
lol
haha good u guys bought this thread back to the original topic :P
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;D the girls have mentioned what type of boys they are loookin for
i want a woman who has a green card ...who can cook, wash my clothes look after my kids take care of my parents maybe satisfy maa desires..... and always get a life on her earned money by gambling, or play poker or drink a few shots spent a night with pals.... :P this aain't me who said .......this was said by a typical malu who went to america.....i heard this from the television as he was asked what type of women he is looking for before he left for america......... ::)
8) for me i promise i will cook her food, take care of her, mostly take her out and sit under the stars keeping her close by my side ;D and i require my wife to be strong so i can fight with her at times (jokin).....
she should be strong enough to take decisions........to support me..... also she can work or study if she desires to pursue a career or gain maximum knowledge.......... as i want a lady to educate my children also :-[
aboveall she should be religious and God fearing and she should also be ready to make sacrifices in life during any sort of problems and also she should not be too naroow minded.......... ;) :)
:-[ :D By the way guys i sound as if i am about to get married i am a mallu who is 18 ........got kinda bored studyin literature.......so i thought of writin.......... :-Xmarriage can wait .........as i belive God is preaprin me one very sexy woman and at the rite time i will find her and she will find me no matter howw long if it takes.........
:(the only problem with marriage is that man/ woman losses the freedom...... he/ shecan't enjoy the time they used to spent with his/ her friends as the ladies desire the attetnion of a male at that point and males of course it is basically sexual desire :-* and tehn attention.....twelfth night talks abot marriage and love........
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8) for me i promise i will cook her food, take care of her, mostly take her out and sit under the stars keeping her close by my side ;D and i require my wife to be strong so i can fight with her at times (jokin)....
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...that's sweet! :D You have a very soft heart here, may you be rewarded with the best wife inshAllah for your very kind intentions.
:-[ :D By the way guys i sound as if i am about to get married i am a mallu who is 18 ........got kinda bored studyin literature.......so i thought of writin.......... :-Xmarriage can wait .........as i belive God is preaprin me one very sexy woman and at the rite time i will find her and she will find me no matter howw long if it takes.........
:(the only problem with marriage is that man/ woman losses the freedom...... he/ shecan't enjoy the time they used to spent with his/ her friends as the ladies desire the attetnion of a male at that point and males of course it is basically sexual desire :-* and tehn attention.....twelfth night talks abot marriage and love........
hahahahahahaha....LOOOOOL you are funny and seems that "Twelfth Night" caused all of this thinking. :P
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Awwwww!
That is soooo sweeeeeeeettttt <333333
Isn't it Monnnyyy ? Looool.
Plaviell- Will you marry me ?
JOKKKKESSS :P
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awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...that's sweet! :D You have a very soft heart here, may you be rewarded with the best wife inshAllah for your very kind intentions.
hahahahahahaha....LOOOOOL you are funny and seems that "Twelfth Night" caused all of this thinking. :P
my heart is stabed i have no words to give for u shoshou for ur comments.......thnk u i all what i got ....... .....after a few years after a few dimes come into my pocket.......i will think about the gifts which i hve to get my wife or the girl who is gonna be my wife./......
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hahahahhahaha! Roxy just proposed to someone. :P
It is very sweet, touched my heart when I read it.
@Plavelil LOL, no need to thank me. You are just a person with good intentions and I wish you get the wife you want one day.
You are so nice. =]
You an IGCSE student?
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Yesss. And I am waiting for his reply :P :P
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Awwwww!
That is soooo sweeeeeeeettttt <333333
Isn't it Monnnyyy ? Looool.
Plaviell- Will you marry me ?
JOKKKKESSS :P
money can wait for me......it will come and go
lady for money or dowry..........
i would rather stay as bachelor rather marry and spoil the girls life......
and roxy it is too early for a proposal.........i will keep about this in mind......
maybe in future who knows.....i might propose u,,,,>>>> ;D
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money can wait for me......it will come and go
lady for money or dowry..........
i would rather stay as bachelor rather marry and spoil the girls life......
and roxy it is too early for a proposal.........i will keep about this in mind......
maybe in future who knows.....i might propose u,,,,>>>> ;D
Hahaha. I was joking :P
But do keep me in mind :P LOOOOL.
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hahahahahaha @ you guys. :P
Maybe you should start exchanging emails for future business. :P lol jk :P :P
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hahahahhahaha! Roxy just proposed to someone. :P
It is very sweet, touched my heart when I read it.
@Plavelil LOL, no need to thank me. You are just a person with good intentions and I wish you get the wife you want one day.
You are so nice. =]
You an IGCSE student?
i am an as student.......... :D
my kindnesss is portrayed through words...... ;D
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hahahahahaha @ you guys. :P
Maybe you should start exchanging emails for future business. :P lol jk :P :P
why business....when we can be friends as friendship or any sort of relationship will never work out.........with business ::)
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why business....when we can be friends as friendship or any sort of relationship will never work out.........with business ::)
true sayy.
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sorry i g2g i have anexam at 9am in the morini cya l8er........
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good luck.
bye.
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haha atlast marriage thread reached its actual motive :P some 1 proposed :P lol :D
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haha atlast marriage thread reached its actual motive :P some 1 proposed :P lol :D
hahahahaha! Soul mates meet in this thread. :P
SF became a marriage forum. :P
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HAHAHAHHAAH!
Meet single students on studentforums.biz. ::)
It's better than www.shaadi.com :P
LOOOOOL.
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haha lol right !!! sf serves all purpose !! :P
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ladies ii am still single .....
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ladies ii am still single .....
hahahahaha Roxy is also :P
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i am 2 but i aint planin 2 get married 4 a while
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LOL @Mony. :P
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mabroook roxy nd plavelil!!!!
pls dont forget 2 invite me 4 ur wedding!! :P :P
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Roxy and Plavelli, send me the e-card for your wedding. :P
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Roxy and Plavelli, send me the e-card for your wedding. :P
Send me an actual one. LOL
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ah ha good talks have reached wedding :P
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i am speechless........
my marriage so soon....
guys i will send a public invitation if ia getting married.....
roxy i belive u can wait since i have a small dreams to fulfill........
and after that MARRIAGE......... :)
if the proposal is still on.....
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahha!
LOOOL. You guys are bare jokes :P
Don't worry! You'll all get invitation cards ! :D
And plavelil- How can you marry me ? You don't even know me :P
What if Im the meanest and weirdest of creatures that you're gonna spend the rest of your life with ? :P
And what dream is that ? :)
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Congratulations Plavelil and Roxy! :D :D
(http://www.bilderkiste.de/galleryscript/gallery/cliparts/ca-100019-hochzeitsglocken-just-married.gif)
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Loool.
awww- Plavelil seems serious :P
I just met him yesterday, and Im marrying him today xD :P
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wow marriage done !!! :P
I just met him yesterday, and Im marrying him today xD
instant marriage !!!
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the world is too fast nowadays :P
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the world is too fast nowadays :P
hahahaha this is what you get from technology. :P
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roxy.... i didn't make the decison quick.......
tats why i said wait..... and i wil find whether ur perfect 4 me or not
and my dream is to build a hospital, accompanied by a medical college with good educationl facilities + a carecentre for old people who are thrown back in the society by their own children....... supported by a well functioned business....
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and my dream is to build a hospital, accompanied by a medical college with good educationl facilities + a carecentre for old people who are thrown back in the society by their own children....... supported by a well functioned business....
wow nice a dream. n best wishes 4 it :D
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Congratulations Plavelil and Roxy! :D :D
(http://www.bilderkiste.de/galleryscript/gallery/cliparts/ca-100019-hochzeitsglocken-just-married.gif)
the clip art looks good....... is it possible to create such entertaining pieces
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wow nice a dream. n best wishes 4 it :D
thanks mate and i believe God will help mefulfil the plans.....if it is according to His will ..........
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hahaha. Roxy, the guy said wait. You don't have to rush sweety. :P
@Plavelil...a beautiful dream. I also got something similar to it. =]
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hahaha. Roxy, the guy said wait. You don't have to rush sweety.
@Plavelil...a beautiful dream. I also got something similar to it. =]
so whats urs ??
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thanks mate and i believe God will help mefulfil the plans.....if it is according to His will ..........
yeah yeah sure !! he will :D
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roxy.... i didn't make the decison quick.......
tats why i said wait..... and i wil find whether ur perfect 4 me or not
and my dream is to build a hospital, accompanied by a medical college with good educationl facilities + a carecentre for old people who are thrown back in the society by their own children....... supported by a well functioned business....
sub7anallah!
Then me and you match :P
Mine's similar. Well sort of.
I've always wanted to build an orphanage for all those children out there, who've lost their parents, or had bad family issues.
It break my heart to see them </3
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sub7anallah!
Then me and you match :P
Mine's similar. Well sort of.
I've always wanted to build an orphanage for all those children out there, who've lost their parents, or had bad family issues.
It break my heart to see them </3
really insprin :'(
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hahaha. Roxy, the guy said wait. You don't have to rush sweety. :P
@Plavelil...a beautiful dream. I also got something similar to it. =]
thnk u....
..... a suggestion......... we could invest togethre money for creating a bright future
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sub7anallah!
I've always wanted to build an orphanage for all those children out there, who've lost their parents, or had bad family issues.
It break my heart to see them </3
OHHHH MYYY GOOOOSH! This is mine tooo!
I even told thedude about it before! :D
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??? we are really getting away from the topic of marriage......... >:(
lets come bak to the topic......
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LOL Plavelil. You are 19 years old yes? I am still 16 will be 17 in like 2 weeks or something.
Where do you live?
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OHHHH MYYY GOOOOSH! This is mine tooo!
I even told thedude about it before! :D
reallly ? Coooool.!
Plavelil is 19 !?!?! PERFECT AGE ! :P
Im 17, will be 18 this year ;) :P
PLLLLEAAASEE TELL ME YOU ARE MIXED RACE. I WILL SERIOUSLY LOVVE YOU TO BITS.
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really insprin :'(
Yes- I want to be a Councilling Psychologist. :)
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LOL Plavelil. You are 19 years old yes? I am still 16 will be 17 in like 2 weeks or something.
Where do you live?
abu dhabi
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@Roxy. LOL yes. I have a lot of charity plans for the future inshAllah. =]
@plavelil..I see. I lived in the gulf too. KSA almost all my life.
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@Roxy. LOL yes. I have a lot of charity plans for the future inshAllah. =]
@plavelil..I see. I lived in the gulf too. KSA almost all my life.
same.
I love kids <3
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I have a lot of charity plans for the future inshAllah. =]
it is not charity plans for me .... it is my service
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Here comes the bride.....
All fair and white.....
I always wanted to make a foundation, which is supported by donations. That helps poor kids into world class unis.
But in doing so, the kids that were given a uni education, will have to pay for another kid's uni education, who comes from a poor background.
However, their financial situation will be considered.
I LOVE kids, so so much, I spoil my sis to the max, and I just want kids of my own, that I will raise to become strong and confident human beings, and be pious and kind hearted. I want them to be leaders, so I just want like 1 or 2 (max).
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it is good to hear atleast there is kindness left in humans in this wickd world may be one day if this is possible the student forum should raise or organise a programme inviting people to support the cause to open an orphanage or an institution
but guys u have to do it as a service not as charity......... since charity provides limitations whereas service keep on doing independantly....
;D .....
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u can do service and charity ...................... both :D
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we can do both service and charity......
but how we will keep on giving 4 charity we might stop in between....
but service we can heelp the kids educate the poor help old people in care homes etc.............
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Hiii Plavelil!
Do you still remember me ? :-[
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HOW can i for get my bride...... hehe
long time ....rite??
By the way where do u live... 8)
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Looool.
awww <3 :P
I live in London, but I will go back to Saudi Arabia soon inshallah! :D
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ru doin ur AS level which schl.....or which college r u in... ::)
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Loool.
Im doing AS.
PM me. (:
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Oh LA LA LA! Now it is starting with pms :P
My bff is getting married soon. :P :P
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Oh LA LA LA! Now it is starting with pms :P
My bff is getting married soon. :P :P
HAHAHAH!
Well I can't let out all my personal info here, or they'll ALL want to stalk me :P :P
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u re pretty much cautious....good :D
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Oh LA LA LA! Now it is starting with pms :P
My bff is getting married soon. :P :P
By the way u also study with roxy.converse .........
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By the way u also study with roxy.converse .........
No, but we both lived in the same place, and met at our exam centre. :)
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No, but we both lived in the same place, and met at our exam centre. :)
hmmm
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where are the others .... hey someone raise a point abot marriage where are you all gone ppl....anyone plannin to get married this summer??? loll....just bored and can't wait to get done with maa exams .....
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do u guys believed in arranged marriages or love marriages ???
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do u guys believed in arranged marriages or love marriages ???
Love after marriage or before?
Before... Because after, it may not necessarily be, even if I do give my best.
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Love after marriage or before?
Before... Because after, it may not necessarily be, even if I do give my best.
Yes, and often, the fact that "he is the father of my children" is the only thing that keeps the marriage together.
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Yes, and often, the fact that "he is the father of my children" is the only thing that keeps the marriage together.
Equivalent for love: he is my bf/ she is my gf.
It's everywhere. A risk in all benefits.
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so wat marriage is like a profit or loss statement where a balance sheet and trading and profit loss account is made :-\
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so wat marriage is like a profit or loss statement where a balance sheet and trading and profit loss account is made :-\
Exactly. God made the man and woman to balance each other. :)
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Exactly. God made the man and woman to balance each other. :)
I dont think she meant that.
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I dont think she meant that.
Men and women were made to balance each other; be each others' risks and benefits.
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Men and women were made to balance each other; be each others' risks and benefits.
Perfectly said.
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Perfectly said.
If it is. :)
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we are talking about marriage arrranged marriages when the person sees the other person........isn't that supposed to be called infatuation
and By the way do u think in arranged marriages love will ever exist
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and By the way do u think in arranged marriages love will ever exist
Do you love your parents? Did you choose them?
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bhai.....
here the question about love of parents don't rise
parents they are from the birth for some they don't even have parents
and i didn't choose my parents to be loved and i love my folks.......
lets leave parental love for the time being since that includes sacrifice and passion
i am trying heat the debate on infatuation and love............
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bhai.....
here the question about love of parents don't rise
parents they are from the birth for some they don't even have parents
and i didn't choose my parents to be loved and i love my folks.......
lets leave parental love for the time being since that includes sacrifice and passion
i am trying heat the debate on infatuation and love............
Arre bhai.
This is just to show you that even in arranged marriages, love can be eternal and deeper and longer lasting than those called "love marriages".
Lemme have the time, and I will post more. ;)
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k i agree to it
but eternal love in this 21st genereation through arranged marriages i hardly find this ever gonna be possible
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k i agree to it
but eternal love in this 21st genereation through arranged marriages i hardly find this ever gonna be possible
And eternal love in "love marriages". Do you find this possible in this 21st century?
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I hope I find true love
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I hope I find true love
I hope it finds me :)
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I hope it finds me :)
yeah that seems like a better option :P
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yeah that seems like a better option :P
Then I hope it finds you. :)
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I hope I find true love
What the! :o :o :P
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What the! :o :o :P
So what do you want me to say?
I've found true love? :P
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So what do you want me to say?
I've found true love? :P
Ooooh, this is gonna make some HOT gossip. :P
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@nid-idk ::) :P
@ari-it will ? it already mad mate :P
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@A.F-don't know? :o :|
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Such passion for another soul, bravo nid and Amr.
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@nid-i know :P @engraved: thanks socrates
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@Amr-Glad you do ;D
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@ari-it will ? it already mad mate :P
Oh. I didnt know......
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Oh. I didnt know......
Now you do.
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And eternal love in "love marriages". Do you find this possible in this 21st century?
might be possible since i have examples rite infrnt of my eyes of love marriages whoa re successful......
and even in arranged marriages i say there should be a time and chance of understanding between the partners maybe after their chosen or engaged to get married..... then only i find true love is possible in arranged marriages
this is jsut an opinion for th edebate
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Love can happen anytime. But I think most of us would prefer to get married to someone we love.
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might be possible since i have examples rite infrnt of my eyes of love marriages whoa re successful......
and even in arranged marriages i say there should be a time and chance of understanding between the partners maybe after their chosen or engaged to get married..... then only i find true love is possible in arranged marriages
this is jsut an opinion for th edebate
sucessful marriage doent mean there still exists the same love
marriage =compromise with life
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sucessful marriage doent mean there still exists the same love
marriage =compromise with life
I agree wholeheartedly, but love makes this compromise easier to attain.
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I agree wholeheartedly, but love makes this compromise easier to attain.
but is the love worth the compromise is the biggest q !!! :-\ :-\
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but is the love worth the compromise is the biggest q !!! :-\ :-\
That depends on the matter at hand.
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oh may be but in mooooooooooooooooosssssssssssssssssssssttttttttt of the cases its not worth !
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oh may be but in mooooooooooooooooosssssssssssssssssssssttttttttt of the cases its not worth !
That is the opinion that leads to so many divorces.
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That is the opinion that leads to so many divorces.
haha thats nice then i could help ppl n be a divorce lawyer :P
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haha thats nice then i could help ppl n be a divorce lawyer :P
LMAO!
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LMAO!
:P :P
So any 1 up to practice with me ??
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The first thing which a divorce lawyer must learn is:
The art of infuriating the wife who comes to him/her against her husband or vice versa. Only then will he/she get a lucrative client!! :D :P :P
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oh ya Thanks 4 that tip ! gonna keep in mind !
i would love doing that though !!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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oh ya Thanks 4 that tip ! gonna keep in mind !
i would love doing that though !!!!! ;D ;D ;D
I'm in no way a divorce lawyer, but that was the first thought that came up in my mind when I heard "Divorce Lawyer"! ;D
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I'm in no way a divorce lawyer, but that was the first thought that came up in my mind when I heard "Divorce Lawyer"! ;D
oh dear divorce lawyer any other tips ;D ;D
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Another amazing thread..REVIVE ! :D :D :D
But i don't think it'll live fer long since it's in the debate section. :P :D
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lol i think ppl almost finished debating on this topic
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Crooked wants to marry. :D :P
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lol !
crooked then why don't u put her name in love on sf thread ! v might have some juicy gossip :P :P lol
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lol !
crooked then why don't u put her name in love on sf thread ! v might have some juicy gossip :P :P lol
He lost his wife. :D
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lol !
crooked then why don't u put her name in love on sf thread ! v might have some juicy gossip :P :P lol
Whyyyyyyyy not ? ::) :P :P
My wifey will come fer me...One day...
Oops
One night * :P :P :D
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Whyyyyyyyy not ? ::) :P :P
My wifey will come fer me...One day...
Oops
One night * :P :P :D
Lol! That was juicy. :D
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He lost his wife. :D
awww poor thing ::) ::)
Whyyyyyyyy not ? ::) :P :P
My wifey will come fer me...One day...
Oops
One night * :P :P :D
haha lol !!
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He lost his wife. :D
wat a pity