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Title: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on May 31, 2010, 04:19:25 am
Organic Chemistry

Fuels :

- Coal
- Natural gas (Methane)
- Petroleum (Crude oil)

Fractional distillation:

N/A - Refinery gas (used as a fuel)
30 degree celsius - Gasoline (used as a fuel in cars)
110 degree celsius - Naphtha (used as make chemicals)
180 degree celsius - Kerosene / Paraffin (used as a fuel in jet engines)
260 degree celsius - Diesel oil / Gas oil (used as a fuel in diesel engines)
N/A - Fuel oil (used as a fuel for ships and for home heating systems)
N/A - Lubricating oil (used in waxes and polishes)
N/A - Bitumen (used as a fuel in jet engines)

Homologus series :

- Trend in physical properties
- Same general formula
- Same functional group
- Similar chemical properties
- Differs from its neighbouring member by CH2

Properties of Alkanes :

Saturated hydrocarbons
General formula : CnH(2n+2)
Increase in boiling point
Physical state at room temperature : Gas > Liquid > Solid

Combustion of alkanes :

Gives CO2 and water, incomplete combustion will give CO and water.

Subsitution reaction :

Condition - Bright light (Photochemical)

Alkanes react with chlorine to give a mixture of chloroalkanes. One hydrogen atom is subsituted by one chlorine atom.

Methane + Chlorine -> Chloromethane (CH3Cl) + HCl
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on May 31, 2010, 04:53:37 am
Properties of Alkenes :

Unaturated hydrocarbons
General formula : CnH2n

Alkenes are made by cracking alkanes. Long alkene molecules are passed over a heated catalyst consisting of Silicon (IV) Oxide and Aluminium Oxide.

C10H22 -> C8H18 + C2H4

Decane -> Octane + Ethene

Hydrogen can also be made by cracking :

C10H22 -> C7H14 + C3H6 + H2

Decane -> Alkene + Alkene + Hydrogen

Cracking is used to make :

- Alkenes
- Hydrogen
- Petrol from higher fractions

Addition Reaction :

Hydrogenation

Condition - 180 degree celsius, Nickel catalyst

Alkene + Hydrogen -> Alkane

Hydration

Condition - 300 degree celsius, Phosphoric Acid, 60 atmospheric pressure

Alkene + Water -> Alcohol

Test for an alkene

When a few drops of Bromine water are added to a tube of ethene gas, the colour changes from brown to colourless.

Ethene + Bromine -> Dibromoethane
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: 6394 on May 31, 2010, 10:30:41 am
lol u started
i ws thinkin of starting it 2day
By the way i wil pm u de useful ntes n tricks i hav
!!!!
:P
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: princess12 on May 31, 2010, 10:33:05 am
thanxs a good information
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: WARRIOR on May 31, 2010, 07:30:08 pm
i was gonna start mine 2mrw :(

i guess u go on with this :/ ill make another
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: destructor on June 01, 2010, 08:26:23 am
Organic Chemistry

Fuels :

- Coal
- Natural gas (Methane)
- Petroleum (Crude oil)

Fractional distillation:

N/A - Refinery gas (used as a fuel)
30 degree celsius - Gasoline (used as a fuel in cars)
110 degree celsius - Naphtha (used as make chemicals)
180 degree celsius - Kerosene / Paraffin (used as a fuel in jet engines)
260 degree celsius - Diesel oil / Gas oil (used as a fuel in diesel engines)
N/A - Fuel oil (used as a fuel for ships and for home heating systems)
N/A - Lubricating oil (used in waxes and polishes)
N/A - Bitumen (used as a fuel in jet engines)

Homologus series :

- Trend in physical properties
- Same general formula
- Same functional group
- Similar chemical properties
- Differs from its neighbouring member by CH2

Properties of Alkanes :

Saturated hydrocarbons
General formula : CnH(2n+2)
Increase in boiling point
Physical state at room temperature : Gas > Liquid > Solid

Combustion of alkanes :

Gives CO2 and water, incomplete combustion will give CO and water.

Subsitution reaction :

Condition - Bright light (Photochemical)

Alkanes react with chlorine to give a mixture of chloroalkanes. One hydrogen atom is subsituted by one chlorine atom.

Methane + Chlorine -> Chloromethane (CH3Cl) + HCl

Amazing stuff Darren
u summarized the whole chapter!
thanks a lot man
dude u forgot one more thing
in halogenation
u also need lead tetraethyl and a high temprature
UV/Bright light is the main answer though
thanks anyway dude  :)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 01, 2010, 01:04:04 pm
i was gonna start mine 2mrw :(

i guess u go on with this :/ ill make another
Perhaps we should collaborate or something ... I am hopeless at drawing diagrams, would you be kind enough to provide illustrations on branched alkanes?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 01, 2010, 01:21:54 pm
Amazing stuff Darren
u summarized the whole chapter!
thanks a lot man
dude u forgot one more thing
in halogenation
u also need lead tetraethyl and a high temprature
UV/Bright light is the main answer though
thanks anyway dude  :)
Not even close :D Still got alcohol, alkanoic acid and ester ... Not to mention addition and condensation polymerisation *sigh*
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Ivo on June 01, 2010, 01:43:14 pm
Perhaps we should collaborate or something ... I am hopeless at drawing diagrams, would you be kind enough to provide illustrations on branched alkanes?

Do you mean something like this:

(http://www.hpwt.de/Chemie/Alkanee.gif)
http://www.hpwt.de/Chemie/Alkanee.gif (http://www.hpwt.de/Chemie/Alkanee.gif)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 01, 2010, 02:04:10 pm
Do you mean something like this:

(http://www.hpwt.de/Chemie/Alkanee.gif)
http://www.hpwt.de/Chemie/Alkanee.gif (http://www.hpwt.de/Chemie/Alkanee.gif)
Yea but when you ... well branch it, say for butane we can have ... methylpropane, if you catch my drift LOL.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Vin on June 01, 2010, 02:06:53 pm
Yea but when you ... well branch it, say for butane we can have ... methylpropane, if you catch my drift LOL.
You want me to post them?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Ivo on June 01, 2010, 02:12:03 pm
Yea but when you ... well branch it, say for butane we can have ... methylpropane, if you catch my drift LOL.

Oh...you want isomers.  OK here are isomers for butane:
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Ivo on June 01, 2010, 02:17:13 pm
Here are isomers for pentane:
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: guMnam on June 01, 2010, 02:22:26 pm
Thanks :D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: jellybeans on June 01, 2010, 02:28:54 pm
Here are isomers for pentane:

how do you know what the isomers are named?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Ivo on June 01, 2010, 02:47:20 pm
how do you know what the isomers are named?

It's complicated.  We shall use the isomers of butane as the example.  The first one is easy, just butane.  The second one:

a) You take the longest carbon cahin and name the compound after the number of carbon atoms in the longest chain.  In this case, there are three carbon atoms in the longest chain.  So it is named after propane.

b) You then look for the alkyl side chain.  In this case it is a methyl group (CH3).  So the compound is methylpropane.

c) You then have to number the alkyl group side chain by counting the numbers of the carbon atoms from one end of the carbon chain.  You count from the end of the carbon chain that gives you the lowest number.  In this case counting from the left/right, the alkyl group is on the second carbon atom.  So the compound is 2-methylpropane.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: jellybeans on June 01, 2010, 02:50:02 pm
It's complicated.  We shall use the isomers of butane as the example.  The first one is easy, just butane.  The second one:

a) You take the longest carbon cahin and name the compound after the number of carbon atoms in the longest chain.  In this case, there are three carbon atoms in the longest chain.  So it is named after propane.

b) You then look for the alkyl side chain.  In this case it is a methyl group (CH3).  So the compound is methylpropane.

c) You then have to number the alkyl group side chain by counting the numbers of the carbon atoms from one end of the carbon chain.  You count from the end of the carbon chain that gives you the lowest number.  In this case counting from the left/right, the alkyl group is on the second carbon atom.  So the compound is 2-methylpropane.

THANK YOU ! :D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 01, 2010, 03:37:26 pm
Properties of Alcohols :

-OH (Hydroxyl) functional group
General formula : Cn H(2n+1) OH

Ethanol can be manufactured :

- Hydration of ethene
- Fermentation

Ethanol burns with a clean flame. It is used for camping stoves or as a fuel for cars.

The complete combustion of etanol produces carbon dioxide and water.

Ethanol is also used as a fuel, as a solvent in perfume, alcoholic drinks and making esters.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 01, 2010, 03:43:46 pm
Properties of Organic Acids :

-COOH functional group
General formula : Cn H(2n+1) COOH

Ethanol is oxidised to ethanoic acid.

Ethanol + O2 (from the air) -> Ethanoic acid + Water

When ethanol is heated with acidified K2Cr2O7 (Potassium dichromate), ethanoic acid is formed.

Ethanol + O2 (from the oxidising agent) -> Ethanoic acid + Water

Organic acids are weak acids, they are partially ionised in aqueous solution. They all have the typical acid properties.

Metal + Acid -> Salt + Hydrogen

Magnesium + Ethanoic acid -> Magnesium ethnoate [(Ch3COO)2Mg] + Hydrogen

Base + Acid -> Salt + Water

Magnesium + Ethanoic acid -> Magnesium ethnoate [(Ch3COO)2Mg] + Water

Carbonate + Acid -> Salt + Carbon Dioxide + Water

Sodium Carbonate + Ethanoic acid -> Sodium ethnoate [(Ch3COO)Na] + Carbon Dioxide + Water
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 01, 2010, 04:05:16 pm
Properties of Esters :

Ethanoic acid + Ethanol -> Ethyl Ethnoate + QWater

Condition :

- Heat
- Concenterated sulphuric acid as catalyst

Esters are used in food flavourings.

When writing the name of an ester, the group from the alcohol comes before the part from the part from the acid. For example if methanol is reacted with propanoic acid, we will get methyl propanoate.

When drawing an ester, the acid part is on the left and the alcohol part is on the right.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Ivo on June 01, 2010, 04:12:58 pm
Properties of Esters :

Ethanoic acid + Ethanol -> Ethyl Ethnoate + QWater

Condition :

- Heat
- Concenterated sulphuric acid as catalyst

Esters are used in food flavourings.

When writing the name of an ester, the group from the alcohol comes before the part from the part from the acid. For example if methanol is reacted with propanoic acid, we will get methyl propanoate.

When drawing an ester, the acid part is on the left and the alcohol part is on the right.

I've included pictures so it's more obvious for people to see! :P
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 01, 2010, 04:16:21 pm
I've included pictures so it's more obvious for people to see! :P
Thanks Ivo.

Kimo : I am planning to do Air and water, Carbonates and Sulphates, perhaps you might be willing to help out with the remainder of the topics ???
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: contraentry on June 01, 2010, 04:26:27 pm
WOW! Thank you guys Soooooooo MUCH!! These are so helpful!
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: guMnam on June 01, 2010, 11:13:32 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: haris94 on June 02, 2010, 08:10:33 am
good job dude
amazing notes
keep going
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: rameeziiii on June 02, 2010, 01:13:13 pm
did you get this from the study guide?... anyway thanks
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 02, 2010, 03:04:14 pm
did you get this from the study guide?... anyway thanks
Yeah, but I filtered out the information that are not essential.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: NidZ- Hero on June 02, 2010, 03:40:08 pm
Yeah, but I filtered out the information that are not essential.
i wanna help temme which topic do u want me 2 do :)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 02, 2010, 03:45:45 pm
i wanna help temme which topic do u want me 2 do :)
I shall be responsible for the remainder of Organic Chemistry, Air and Water, Carbonates and Sulphates.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Ivo on June 02, 2010, 03:48:12 pm
Yeah, but I filtered out the information that are not essential.

By the way, which study guide is this from, may I ask?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: NidZ- Hero on June 02, 2010, 03:55:12 pm
I shall be responsible for the remainder of Organic Chemistry, Air and Water, Carbonates and Sulphates.

hey tell me de topic dat i can do
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 02, 2010, 04:28:21 pm
hey tell me de topic dat i can do

The remainder of the topics ...
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: gaurav95 on June 04, 2010, 05:31:01 am
Download this file............

then pls anss my q

can somebody list the imp.reactions that would probably come on 7th plssssssssssssss

or give the link where it is stated......
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: JD46 on June 04, 2010, 05:41:14 am
HEy guys ,i'm really in trouble, the problem is that my chemistry guide(bob berry) is missing an important page(Pg 33 to 34) ,about excess reagents and  coincidentally ,i always mess up that question and lose marks,so could someone  scan the page off the guide and post it,or even a picture  would do, i'm sure you''ll wil understand ,thanks! :) :D :)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: destructor on June 04, 2010, 06:40:27 am
Download this file............

then pls anss my q

can somebody list the imp.reactions that would probably come on 7th plssssssssssssss

or give the link where it is stated......
Gaurav..
so u really cant ask for an easy way out...because there is a possibility of anything arising
but I feel u should study important processes such as extraction of metals especially iron,aluminium,zinc and copper
then also the haber's process and contact process.
Study chromatography thoroughly as it could come in ppr  3...
Oh yeah also study the production of nitric acid..hasnt really come before so it could now
also yeah study the basic reactions (acid+base,acid+metal etc)
Electrolysis too
good luck
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: gaurav95 on June 04, 2010, 11:17:47 am
Gaurav..
so u really cant ask for an easy way out...because there is a possibility of anything arising
but I feel u should study important processes such as extraction of metals especially iron,aluminium,zinc and copper
then also the haber's process and contact process.
Study chromatography thoroughly as it could come in ppr  3...
Oh yeah also study the production of nitric acid..hasnt really come before so it could now
also yeah study the basic reactions (acid+base,acid+metal etc)
Electrolysis too
good luck


Thx but will still be looking for some input...........
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 04, 2010, 11:42:12 am
Gaurav..
so u really cant ask for an easy way out...because there is a possibility of anything arising
but I feel u should study important processes such as extraction of metals especially iron,aluminium,zinc and copper
then also the haber's process and contact process.
Study chromatography thoroughly as it could come in ppr  3...
Oh yeah also study the production of nitric acid..hasnt really come before so it could now
also yeah study the basic reactions (acid+base,acid+metal etc)
Electrolysis too
good luck

Extraction of copper is omitted.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Jea on June 04, 2010, 12:37:23 pm
Can anyone help me with moles? i never got their head or toe........tym is almost up n i kno as much moles as i did three years ago when i did them them fr the first tym! HELP! any tricks....tips......anYthing! :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Ivo on June 04, 2010, 12:58:36 pm
Can anyone help me with moles? i never got their head or toe........tym is almost up n i kno as much moles as i did three years ago when i did them them fr the first tym! HELP! any tricks....tips......anYthing! :'( :'( :'(

It's hard to 'teach' you moles.  My advice is go through past paper questions, and then you'll find it is well easy!

I've written very thorough explanations for some questions and doubts people have asked.  Here they are:

s02, Q5) c) and d):

The equation you need to use is:

                      Volume of gas (in dm3)
Moles of gas = --------------------------
                                      24

Note to convert cm3 to dm3, divide quantity by 1000 (e.g. 20cm3/1000=0.02dm3)

This is the proper theory and equation behind my calculations below.

Here are the answers for 5) c) as requested:

i)   Moles of C4H6: 0.02/24=0.000833
     From equation, we know 2 moles of C4H6 reacts with 11 moles of O2
     Therefore, moles of O2: 0.000833*5.5=0.00458
     Therefore, volume of O2: 4.58*24*1000=110cm3

ii)  From equation, we know 2 moles of C4H6 produces 8 moles of CO2
     Therefore, moles of CO2: 0.000833*4=0.00333
     Therefore, volume of CO2: 0.00333*24*1000=80cm3

iii) From equation, we know 2 moles of C4H6 produces 6 moles of H2O
     Therefore, moles of H2O: 0.000833*3=0.0025
     Therefore, volume of H2O: 0.0025*24*1000=60
     Therefore, total volume of gases is simply volume of CO2 + volume of H2O:
     80+60=140cm3

     Alternatively, 8+6=14, so 2 moles of C4H6 produces 14 moles of products
     Therefore, moles of products: 0.000833*7=0.00583
     Therefore, volume of products: 0.00583*24*1000=140cm3

For part d), you use this formula:

             Mass
Moles = ------
               Mr

d)  From the above equation, 1 mole of butyne forms 3 moles of water
     Number of moles of butyne reacted: 9/54=0.167
     Number of moles of water formed: 0.167*3=0.5
     Mass of water formed: 0.5*(2+16)=9g

I hope this has helped. :D

s08, Q7) b)

OK, hopefully this clears your doubt.

This time, you'll need to also apply this formula:
                                                                      
Concentration (mol/dm3) = Moles / Volume (dm3)

So:

i) Number of moles of NaOH used = 2.24*0.025 = 0.056 mols

ii) Maximum number of moles of Na2SO4.10H2O that could be formed = From the equation given, you can see 2 moles of NaOH gives 1 mole of Na2SO4.10H2O.  So it is simply: 0.056/2 = 0.028 mols

iii) Mass of one mole of Na2SO4.10H2O = 322g

iv) Maximum yield of sodium sulphate-10-water = 0.028*322 = 9.02g

v) Percentage yield = (3.86/9.02)*100 = 42.8%

If you don't understand any of this, I'll be happy to explain ;)

w08, Q7) a)

The equation you need to use is:

                      Volume of gas (in dm3)
Moles of gas = --------------------------
                                      24

Note to convert cm3 to dm3, divide quantity by 1000 (e.g. 20cm3/1000=0.02dm3)

This is the proper theory and equation behind my calculations below.

Here are the answers for 5) c) as requested:

i)   Moles of C4H6: 0.02/24=0.000833
     From equation, we know 2 moles of C4H6 reacts with 11 moles of O2
     Therefore, moles of O2: 0.000833*5.5=0.00458
     Therefore, volume of O2: 4.58*24*1000=110cm3

ii)  From equation, we know 2 moles of C4H6 produces 8 moles of CO2
     Therefore, moles of CO2: 0.000833*4=0.00333
     Therefore, volume of CO2: 0.00333*24*1000=80cm3

iii) From equation, we know 2 moles of C4H6 produces 6 moles of H2O
     Therefore, moles of H2O: 0.000833*3=0.0025
     Therefore, volume of H2O: 0.0025*24*1000=60
     Therefore, total volume of gases is simply volume of CO2 + volume of H2O:
     80+60=140cm3

     Alternatively, 8+6=14, so 2 moles of C4H6 produces 14 moles of products
     Therefore, moles of products: 0.000833*7=0.00583
     Therefore, volume of products: 0.00583*24*1000=140cm3

For part d), you use this formula:

             Mass
Moles = ------
               Mr

d)  From the above equation, 1 mole of butyne forms 3 moles of water
     Number of moles of butyne reacted: 9/54=0.167
     Number of moles of water formed: 0.167*3=0.5
     Mass of water formed: 0.5*(2+16)=9g

I hope this has helped. :D

s04, Q7) b):

7) b) i) Moles of Mg = 3/24 = 0.125
           Moles of CH3COOH = 12/60 = 0.200
           Using ratios given in the equation, to compare, divide 0.2/2 = 0.100 moles of CH3COOH.          
           Therefore, magnesium is in excess.

        ii) The one not in excess: ie. 0.1

        iii) 0.1*24 =2.4dm3

Got it?

I hope that's enough questions for you to follow!  ;P
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: $H00t!N& $t@r on June 04, 2010, 01:41:01 pm
i have a question.... w06 q8 c(iii)

how do i deduce the formula? i need to know that to ans the question
ms says the test is bromine water and the result for the first one is brown to colourless this means that it is an alkene right? bt hw do i knw that the first one is alkene from the fromula given?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: elemis on June 04, 2010, 01:43:20 pm
i have a question.... w06 q8 c(iii)

how do i deduce the formula? i need to know that to ans the question
ms says the test is bromine water and the result for the first one is brown to colourless this means that it is an alkene right? bt hw do i knw that the first one is alkene from the fromula given?

If its an alkene it will have the general formula   Cn H2n   where n is the number of carbon atoms
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: $H00t!N& $t@r on June 04, 2010, 01:47:25 pm
If its an alkene it will have the general formula   Cn H2n   where n is the number of carbon atoms

um can you please check the question... do i count all the carbon atoms or just the ones on the first line?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: elemis on June 04, 2010, 01:50:03 pm
um can you please check the question... do i count all the carbon atoms or just the ones on the first line?

Hang on.  :)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 04, 2010, 02:01:29 pm
um can you please check the question... do i count all the carbon atoms or just the ones on the first line?
C17H33 has two fewer hydrogen atoms compared to C17H35, we can deduce that C17H33 is an alkene straightaway ...
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: elemis on June 04, 2010, 02:09:37 pm
C17H33 has two fewer hydrogen atoms compared to C17H35, we can deduce that C17H33 is an alkene straightaway ...

How does that prove anything ?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: $H00t!N& $t@r on June 04, 2010, 02:14:23 pm
C17H33 has two fewer hydrogen atoms compared to C17H35, we can deduce that C17H33 is an alkene straightaway ...

how does that prove its an alkene? isnt it supposed to be C17H34 for it to be an alkene?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: elemis on June 04, 2010, 02:16:56 pm
Here :

q8 c        (iii)

Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: $H00t!N& $t@r on June 04, 2010, 02:22:01 pm
umm why are you posting the question paper?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: elemis on June 04, 2010, 02:24:09 pm
umm why are you posting the question paper?

Calling in backup ;)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 04, 2010, 02:24:57 pm
How does that prove anything ?
It was merely a guess, I haven't a clue about that question as well when I was doing the PP, I wrote that in the script and it turns out to be correct ...
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: $H00t!N& $t@r on June 04, 2010, 02:25:56 pm
ahh i see  :D

ill be here... waiting for the answer...  :)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: nid404 on June 04, 2010, 02:52:07 pm
One is saturated, the other is not.

Use bromine water test.

with fat1 it will decolorise
with fat 2 no change
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: elemis on June 04, 2010, 02:54:08 pm
One is saturated, the other is not.

Use bromine water test.

with fat1 it will decolorise
with fat 2 no change

HOW do you determine which one will decolorise bromine water ? Obviously it will be one with C=C bonds, but HOW do you determine which one it is ?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: nid404 on June 04, 2010, 03:03:22 pm
the one with less no of hydrogens is unsaturated...obv much

So in this case it's fat 1
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: jellybeans on June 04, 2010, 03:14:37 pm
Hiiiii :D
i've got major problems with drawing monomers and polymers D:
HELP PLEASEEE, THANKS ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: nid404 on June 04, 2010, 03:19:55 pm
check the files attached  :)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: jellybeans on June 04, 2010, 03:24:31 pm
check the files attached  :)

haha, okayyy thank you :) :) then whut about the silver particles? do we have to add them on the monomer/polymer?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: nid404 on June 04, 2010, 03:25:48 pm
Nope. Polymer=polypropene...clearly mentioned... ;)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: jellybeans on June 04, 2010, 03:28:16 pm
Nope. Polymer=polypropene...clearly mentioned... ;)

okayyy :D thanks.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 04, 2010, 03:29:10 pm
haha, okayyy thank you :) :) then whut about the silver particles? do we have to add them on the monomer/polymer?
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5738/monomerandpolymer.png
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: 8T on June 04, 2010, 05:42:14 pm
May june 04 q 4 b 2 why until 8 mm it .. isnt there a range ?
Plus b 3 I have no idea what is going on i need help .. could any1 help?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Monica on June 05, 2010, 04:16:42 am
Hey you guys! I posted before many chemistry links which might be helpful and I'll post them again :


https://studentforums.biz/index.php/topic,3803.0.html
https://studentforums.biz/index.php/topic,1615.0.html
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wyymt3nntwj
http://www.docbrown.info/page10/page10.htm
http://www.knockhardy.org.uk/assets/MCANE.HTM
http://www.knockhardy.org.uk/assets/MCENE.HTM
https://studentforums.biz/index.php/topic,4304.0.html
http://www.gcsescience.com/index.html
https://studentforums.biz/index.php/topic,4425.45.html


Best of luck!
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Monica on June 05, 2010, 04:34:35 am
Check this thread also. I just posted the notes today :

https://studentforums.biz/index.php/topic,8769.0.html

If like, +rep me please  :P and pray for my a-levels. =] <3
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Jea on June 05, 2010, 07:37:13 am
Thnkx soooo much! i hope da qs is ezy...... ;D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: username on June 05, 2010, 08:06:06 am
Thnkx soooo much! i hope da qs is ezy...... ;D
me 2


nyway guys
is there any way u can learn the reactivity series easily
im havin trouble with that
By the way the reactivity series ;)


Potassium   K   
Sodium   Na   
Lithium   Li   
Calcium   Ca   
Magnesium   Mg   
Aluminium   Al   
Carbon   C   
Zinc      Zn   
Iron       Fe
Tin          Sn   
Lead          Pb   
Hydrogen   H   
Copper   Cu   
Silver    Ag   
Gold             Au   
Platinum   Pt   
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Vin on June 05, 2010, 08:16:15 am
Playing soccer less can make all zappy, considering I totally love Hanna because she’s gorgeous (and) pretty

Potassium   K   
Sodium   Na   
Lithium   Li   
Calcium   Ca   
Magnesium   Mg   
Aluminium   Al   
Carbon   C   
Zinc      Zn   
Iron       Fe
Tin          Sn   
Lead          Pb   
Hydrogen   H   
Copper   Cu   
Silver    Ag   
Gold             Au   
Platinum   Pt   

lol i modified a bit original was::“Playing soccer can make all zappy, I love Hanna because she’s gorgeous”
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: username on June 05, 2010, 09:00:52 am
Playing soccer less can make all zappy, considering I totally love Hanna because she’s gorgeous (and) pretty

Potassium   K   
Sodium   Na   
Lithium   Li   
Calcium   Ca   
Magnesium   Mg   
Aluminium   Al   
Carbon   C   
Zinc      Zn   
Iron       Fe
Tin          Sn   
Lead          Pb   
Hydrogen   H   
Copper   Cu   
Silver    Ag   
Gold             Au   
Platinum   Pt   

lol i modified a bit original was::“Playing soccer can make all zappy, I love Hanna because she’s gorgeous”
thx
lol
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: username on June 05, 2010, 09:06:43 am
u skipped carbon tho...
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Vin on June 05, 2010, 10:08:30 am
u skipped carbon tho...

my bad, I put "considering" unnecessarily.. new revised version.. :P 

Playing soccer less can make all comrades zappy, I totally love Hanna because she’s gorgeous (and) pretty ;D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: username on June 05, 2010, 10:15:43 am
my bad, I put "considering" unnecessarily.. new revised version.. :P 

Playing soccer less can make all comrades zappy, I totally love Hanna because she’s gorgeous (and) pretty ;D

dude
u da best
thx
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Vin on June 05, 2010, 10:20:05 am
dude
u da best
thx

By the way the source is from this guide ::) ..So I wont take full credit ;) yes but I would take the credit of modifying it though :P 
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: 6394 on June 05, 2010, 10:30:03 am
my bad, I put "considering" unnecessarily.. new revised version.. :P 

Playing soccer less can make all comrades zappy, I totally love Hanna because she’s gorgeous (and) pretty ;D


hmm mm hanna
:P
me likes it
lol
if u lsn myn u will rofl!!1
4get it
Thanks vin
!!
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: username on June 05, 2010, 10:31:12 am
hmm mm hanna
:P
me likes it
lol
if u lsn myn u will rofl!!1
4get it
Thanks vin
!!
nahi yaar
laga do
the more the merrier
shayed assan ho
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: 6394 on June 05, 2010, 10:31:43 am
Thanks 4 de modified 1 because i knw de b4 1 u posted
!!
:)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: luv3life on June 05, 2010, 11:13:24 am
Thanx VIN1094. :) Thanks for the link to FAWESOME GUIDE & the Mnemonic too. :)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: soraam on June 05, 2010, 11:17:45 am
its easier if you memorized     knaca mgal czn  fe pb  hcu agau                 if youre arab youll see what i mean
and now   my question



how do you know wich is the limiting reagent if the mole ratio is NOT 1:1     :) :)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Adzel on June 05, 2010, 11:29:13 am
Popular Scientists Can Make A Zoo In The Low Humidity Countryside, More Satisfactory...Goodbye

Potassium   K   
Sodium   Na   
Calcium   Ca   
Magnesium   Mg   
Aluminium   Al   
Zinc      Zn   
Iron       Fe
Tin          Sn   
Lead          Pb   
Hydrogen   H   
Copper   Cu   
Mercury
Silver    Ag   
Gold             Au

By the way I forgot who posted this  ???
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Vin on June 05, 2010, 11:35:41 am
A@di. ;)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Dibss on June 05, 2010, 01:35:55 pm
how do you know wich is the limiting reagent if the mole ratio is NOT 1:1     :) :)
Post a past paper question, it'll be easier to explain =]
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 05, 2010, 02:44:27 pm
Popular Scientists Can Make A Zoo In The Low Humidity Countryside, More Satisfactory...Goodbye

Potassium   K   
Sodium   Na   
Calcium   Ca   
Magnesium   Mg   
Aluminium   Al   
Zinc      Zn   
Iron       Fe
Tin          Sn   
Lead          Pb   
Hydrogen   H   
Copper   Cu   
Mercury
Silver    Ag   
Gold             Au

By the way I forgot who posted this  ???
Mentioning reactivity series we are also required to know that metals above Zinc cannot be extracted by heating with Carbon, metals below Hydrogen does not react with acid to form salt and hydrogen, Copper does not react with steam and cold water, whereas Magnesium, Zinc and Iron only reacts with steam.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 05, 2010, 02:55:14 pm
Addition polymerisation - Only produces the polymer
Condensation polymerisation - Produces water and polymer

Uses of polymers :

Nylon and terylene - make clothes
Nylon - rope making
PVC - electrical insulator and pipes
Poly(ethene) - bowls, buckes and plastic bags

Plastic and pollution :

- Source of visual pollution
- Burning produces toxic gas

Nylon and proteins :

C=O-OH and NH2 monomers

Proteins has many monomers as it is a biological polyamide, whereas synthetic polyamide, such as nylon, only contains the aforementioned monomers.

When they are joined together, an amide linkage C=O-NH is formed, water is eliminated in forming this linkage.

Amino acids -> Water + Protein (Condensation polymerisation)

Water + Protein -> Amino acids (Hydrolysis, boil with hydrochloric acid)

Polyesters :

C=O-OH and OH monomers

When they are joined together, an ester linkage C=O-O is formed, water is eliminated in forming this linkage.

Fats :

Animal fats and vegetable oils are esters.

Fat (Glyceryl sterate) + Sodium hydroxide -> Sodium salt of long-chain organic acid (Sodium sterate) + Glycerol
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 05, 2010, 03:00:36 pm
Carbonhydrates :

Contains only Carbon, Hydrogen and Water.

The ratio of Hydrogen to Oxygen atoms is in 2:1 ratio.

Glucose - C6H12O6
Starch - (C6H10O5)n

Two OH monomers were joined to form Starch :

-O-[]-O-[]-O-[]-

Glucose -> Starch + Water (Condensation polymerisation)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 05, 2010, 03:12:00 pm
Acid hydrolysis of complex hydrocarbons :

Heated with dilute HCl, the acid is a catalyst in this reaction.

Starch + Water -> Glucose

The reaction can be catalysed by enzymes, but the sugar produces would be different.

Fermentation :

Glucose -> Ethanol + Carbon Dioxide

Catalysed by enzymes from yeast.

The reaction is an anaerobic respiration of yeast cells, oxygen in air would oxidise ethanol to carbon dioxide.

35 degree celsius - optimal temperature. Too high - enzymens gets denatured. Too low - rate would be too slow to be economical.

Fermentation ceases when the concentration of ethanol reaches 14%, this is because ethanol is poisonous to yeast, and at this concentration yeast dies. All the glucose has been used up.

C6H12O6 -> 2C2H5OH + 2CO2
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Helium on June 06, 2010, 03:41:59 pm
its easier if you memorized     knaca mgal czn  fe pb  hcu agau                 if youre arab youll see what i mean
and now   my question



how do you know wich is the limiting reagent if the mole ratio is NOT 1:1     :) :)

ya i heard that one before, i heard a chemistry teacher saying,

knaca thin and age of lead...
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: sarasa on June 06, 2010, 03:42:36 pm
Acid hydrolysis of complex hydrocarbons :

Heated with dilute HCl, the acid is a catalyst in this reaction.

Starch + Water -> Glucose

The reaction can be catalysed by enzymes, but the sugar produces would be different.

Fermentation :

Glucose -> Ethanol + Carbon Dioxide

Catalysed by enzymes from yeast.

The reaction is an anaerobic respiration of yeast cells, oxygen in air would oxidise ethanol to carbon dioxide.

35 degree celsius - optimal temperature. Too high - enzymens gets denatured. Too low - rate would be too slow to be economical.

Fermentation ceases when the concentration of ethanol reaches 14%, this is because ethanol is poisonous to yeast, and at this concentration yeast dies. All the glucose has been used up.

C6H12O6 -> 2C2H5OH + 2CO2
Oxygen will oxidise ethanol 2 ethanoic acid, da atmospheric oxygen is not enough to oxidise it to CO2....! da rest r impressive, great work!!!
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: princess12 on June 06, 2010, 03:44:30 pm
GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE FOR TOMORROW
GOOD LUCK
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: 8T on June 06, 2010, 03:59:03 pm
Could someone please explain may june 09 paper 32 q 5 b ???
I know it's for instance K3PO4 or T3 PO4.. but the other 2 marks not quite so any help??
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 06, 2010, 04:23:57 pm
Oxygen will oxidise ethanol 2 ethanoic acid, da atmospheric oxygen is not enough to oxidise it to CO2....! da rest r impressive, great work!!!
Not according to the endorsed revision guide :D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: 8T on June 06, 2010, 04:34:13 pm
Could someone please answer me i already feel depressed :S ??
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: NidZ- Hero on June 06, 2010, 05:14:07 pm
why de rate of rustin is increased in presence of acid and salt water
can sum on eplz answer
thanz in advance  ;D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: WARRIOR on June 06, 2010, 05:15:42 pm
why de rate of rustin is increased in presence of acid and salt water
can sum on eplz answer
thanz in advance  ;D
BECAUS they contain IONS which can transfer electrons which speed up rusting or oxidation!
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 06, 2010, 05:38:48 pm
BECAUS they contain IONS which can transfer electrons which speed up rusting or oxidation!
i.e they are electrolytes.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Hesham Mhd on June 06, 2010, 05:43:54 pm
Hey, can any1 please explain the contents of section 6.2 in the syllabus?! I really get nothing from it!  ??? ???
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Chosen Dude on June 06, 2010, 05:51:52 pm
Hey, can any1 please explain the contents of section 6.2 in the syllabus?! I really get nothing from it!  ??? ???
Yea sure, You just have to know that hydrogen is a better fuel because the product of its combustion is water which isnt a pollutant advantages are that it will conserve natural resources and doesn't cause pollution. You just have to know the name Uranium-235 is used as a fuel cell. The electrode is a big topic. For the hydrogen one in supplement they have already said it. Anything I missed?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Hesham Mhd on June 06, 2010, 05:56:59 pm
Yea sure, You just have to know that hydrogen is a better fuel because the product of its combustion is water which isnt a pollutant advantages are that it will conserve natural resources and doesn't cause pollution. You just have to know the name Uranium-235 is used as a fuel cell. The electrode is a big topic. For the hydrogen one in supplement they have already said it. Anything I missed?
Thank You so much, but what about the prdoduction of energy from a simple cell thingy?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 06, 2010, 06:03:51 pm
6.2 Production of energy

-Describe the production of heat energy by burning fuels

Buring fossil fuels, such as coal, natural gas and petroleum (crude oil) produces heat energy.

-Describe hydrogen as a fuel

Pros : Does not produce oxides of nitrogen when buring, the most energy rich fuel, only product of combustion is water.
Cons : Expensive and difficult to store

-Describe radioactive isotopes, such as 235 U, as a source of energy

Heat energy and then electrical energy is produced from nuclear reactors.

-Describe the production of electrical energy from simple cells, i.e. two electrodes in an electrolyte.

Electrons flow from the negative electrode to the positive electrode through the external circuit in an electrolytic fuel cell (also electrolysis).

Zinc electrode, Copper electrode and dilute Sulphuric acid electrolyte are used as an example here.

Since Zinc is more reactive than copper, it is the negative electrode, oxidation takes place (Zn -> Zn2+ + 2e-). The elctrons flows through the external circuit to the Copper electrode, the positive ion from the electrolyte (i.e. Hydrogen ions) gets reduced here.

The greater the difference between the reactivity of the two metal electrodes used, the greater the voltage of the circuit would be.

-Describe the use of hydrogen as a potential fuel reacting with oxygen to generate electricity in a fuel cell

Hydrogen is supplied to the negative electrode : H2 -> 2H+ + 2e-

The electrons flows through the external circuit to the positive electrode.

Oxygen is supplied to the positive electrode : O2 + 2H2O + 4e- -> 4OH-

The ions react to produce water : H+ + OH- -> H2O

The overall reaction is : 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O

When hydrogen reacts with oxygenm to form water in a fuel cell, electrical energy is procued.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Chosen Dude on June 06, 2010, 06:10:02 pm
Thank You so much, but what about the prdoduction of energy from a simple cell thingy?
No problem :), There are two things. A cell and an electrolyte.
A cell- Chemical energy is converted to electrical energy(basically its a battery)
the reaction is exothermic because by chemical energy  electrical energy is produced
The flow of es is from more reactive metal to least reactive. At the more reactive electrode oxidation takes place and the metal atoms become ions. The less reactive electrode is reduction. So bubbles of a gas which is hydrogen. always bubbles produced at less reactive.

Electrolyte- Electrical energy is used to bring  a chemical change. So basically this reaction is endothermic because electrical energy is needed to bring  a change in the electrolyte. This part is in electrolysis.
I hope I helped :)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Chosen Dude on June 06, 2010, 06:13:39 pm
By the way just  a little bit more about U-235
Produces energy without using oxygen. But all other fuels need oxygen.
Uses are in industry which are:
1) Power generators
2) Treatment of cancer
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Hesham Mhd on June 06, 2010, 06:27:09 pm
6.2 Production of energy

-Describe the production of heat energy by burning fuels

Buring fossil fuels, such as coal, natural gas and petroleum (crude oil) produces heat energy.

-Describe hydrogen as a fuel

Pros : Does not produce oxides of nitrogen when buring, the most energy rich fuel, only product of combustion is water.
Cons : Expensive and difficult to store

-Describe radioactive isotopes, such as 235 U, as a source of energy

Heat energy and then electrical energy is produced from nuclear reactors.

-Describe the production of electrical energy from simple cells, i.e. two electrodes in an electrolyte.

Electrons flow from the negative electrode to the positive electrode through the external circuit in an electrolytic fuel cell (also electrolysis).

Zinc electrode, Copper electrode and dilute Sulphuric acid electrolyte are used as an example here.

Since Zinc is more reactive than copper, it is the negative electrode, oxidation takes place (Zn -> Zn2+ + 2e-). The elctrons flows through the external circuit to the Copper electrode, the positive ion from the electrolyte (i.e. Hydrogen ions) gets reduced here.

The greater the difference between the reactivity of the two metal electrodes used, the greater the voltage of the circuit would be.

-Describe the use of hydrogen as a potential fuel reacting with oxygen to generate electricity in a fuel cell

Hydrogen is supplied to the negative electrode : H2 -> 2H+ + 2e-

The electrons flows through the external circuit to the positive electrode.

Oxygen is supplied to the positive electrode : O2 + 2H2O + 4e- -> 4OH-

The ions react to produce water : H+ + OH- -> H2O

The overall reaction is : 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O

When hydrogen reacts with oxygenm to form water in a fuel cell, electrical energy is procued.
Yur Amazing Dude! Thank You :D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Hesham Mhd on June 06, 2010, 06:28:22 pm
No problem :), There are two things. A cell and an electrolyte.
A cell- Chemical energy is converted to electrical energy(basically its a battery)
the reaction is exothermic because by chemical energy  electrical energy is produced
The flow of es is from more reactive metal to least reactive. At the more reactive electrode oxidation takes place and the metal atoms become ions. The less reactive electrode is reduction. So bubbles of a gas which is hydrogen. always bubbles produced at less reactive.

Electrolyte- Electrical energy is used to bring  a chemical change. So basically this reaction is endothermic because electrical energy is needed to bring  a change in the electrolyte. This part is in electrolysis.
I hope I helped :)
Thank You again x], nd yea, yu dd help :D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: SoONa on June 06, 2010, 07:41:26 pm
hello .. hope everyones doing well

can some1 please tell me wht i need 2 kno for thermal decomposition for 2mrrw

thanks in advance :D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: contraentry on June 06, 2010, 08:37:24 pm
hello .. hope everyones doing well

can some1 please tell me wht i need 2 kno for thermal decomposition for 2mrrw

thanks in advance :D

Metal Nitrate:
(upon heating)

Group 1: Metal Nitrate > Metal Nitrite + Oxygen
Group 2 & Others : Metal Nitrate > Metal Oxide + Nitrogen Dioxide + Oxygen

Metal Hydroxide :
(upon heating)

Group 1 : No Decomposition
Group2 & Others : Metal Hydroxide > Metal Oxide + Water

Metal Carbonate:
(upon heating)

Group 1: No Decomposition
Group 2 & Others : Metal Carbonate > Metal Oxide + CarbonDioxide  
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: contraentry on June 06, 2010, 08:41:01 pm
Best of luck to all attempting the Chemistry Paper 3 tomorrow, hopefully it'll be good, and we will all score good marks!
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Dana on June 06, 2010, 08:51:18 pm
6.2 Production of energy

-Describe the production of heat energy by burning fuels

Buring fossil fuels, such as coal, natural gas and petroleum (crude oil) produces heat energy.

-Describe hydrogen as a fuel

Pros : Does not produce oxides of nitrogen when buring, the most energy rich fuel, only product of combustion is water.
Cons : Expensive and difficult to store

-Describe radioactive isotopes, such as 235 U, as a source of energy

Heat energy and then electrical energy is produced from nuclear reactors.

-Describe the production of electrical energy from simple cells, i.e. two electrodes in an electrolyte.

Electrons flow from the negative electrode to the positive electrode through the external circuit in an electrolytic fuel cell (also electrolysis).

Zinc electrode, Copper electrode and dilute Sulphuric acid electrolyte are used as an example here.

Since Zinc is more reactive than copper, it is the negative electrode, oxidation takes place (Zn -> Zn2+ + 2e-). The electrons flow through the external circuit to the Copper electrode, the positive ion from the electrolyte (i.e. Hydrogen ions) gets reduced here.

The greater the difference between the reactivity of the two metal electrodes used, the greater the voltage of the circuit would be.

-Describe the use of hydrogen as a potential fuel reacting with oxygen to generate electricity in a fuel cell

Hydrogen is supplied to the negative electrode : H2 -> 2H+ + 2e-

The electrons flows through the external circuit to the positive electrode.

Oxygen is supplied to the positive electrode : O2 + 2H2O + 4e- -> 4OH-

The ions react to produce water : H+ + OH- -> H2O

The overall reaction is : 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O

When hydrogen reacts with oxygenm to form water in a fuel cell, electrical energy is procued.
hey isnt zinc placed as the ANODE not cathode in the cell? or is this electrolysis? :S aakh im so confused. cuz there was a qs in 08 or 07 i dno and it was like gsacrificial protection using tin as the anode and the steel as the cathode. the tin lost electrons, giving them to steel to prevent the steel form oxidising.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Vin on June 06, 2010, 09:03:39 pm
hey isnt zinc placed as the ANODE not cathode in the cell? or is this electrolysis? :S aakh im so confused. cuz there was a qs in 08 or 07 i dno and it was like gsacrificial protection using tin as the anode and the steel as the cathode. the tin lost electrons, giving them to steel to prevent the steel form oxidising.

Um, does this help?:: https://studentforums.biz/index.php/topic,1411.msg254665.html#msg254665
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Dana on June 06, 2010, 09:06:12 pm
Um, does this help?:: https://studentforums.biz/index.php/topic,1411.msg254665.html#msg254665
yes it does thank you! so the "negative pole" is actually the anode and vice versa?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Vin on June 06, 2010, 09:15:38 pm
yes it does thank you! so the "negative pole" is actually the anode and vice versa?

See, in a cell there is nothing called anode or cathode. Like I mentioned, just -ve and +ve poles. If you see you regular AA/AAA batteries have + and -, it is the same here.

An anode forms when an electrode is given the +ve charge, and -ve charge for cathode.

Here The +ve and -ve charges are produced.

Always in a cell the more reactive metal is the -ve terminal as it is the source of e-.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Dana on June 06, 2010, 09:19:50 pm
See, in a cell there is nothing called anode or cathode. Like I mentioned, just -ve and +ve poles. If you see you regular AA/AAA batteries have + and -, it is the same here.

An anode forms when an electrode is given the +ve charge, and -ve charge for cathode.

Here The +ve and -ve charges are produced.

Always in a cell the more reactive metal is the -ve terminal as it is the source of e-.
thank you but see here qs 5 b http://www.freeexampapers.us/IGCSE/Chemistry/CIE/2007%20Jun/0620_s07_qp_3.pdf[url]] (http://[/url)http://www.freeexampapers.us/IGCSE/Chemistry/CIE/2007%20Jun/0620_s07_qp_3.pdfhttp://
it specifically says anode and cathode :/ is it a cell or electrolysis?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Vin on June 06, 2010, 09:36:17 pm
thank you but see here qs 5 b http://www.freeexampapers.us/IGCSE/Chemistry/CIE/2007%20Jun/0620_s07_qp_3.pdf[url=http://]]] (http://[/url)http://www.freeexampapers.us/IGCSE/Chemistry/CIE/2007%20Jun/0620_s07_qp_3.pdfhttp://
it specifically says anode and cathode :/ is it a cell or electrolysis?

Um, electrolysis is 5 b)i ans ii. This is something CIE wants to confuse people, you might have never learned about it but you should use your concepts of oxidation and reduction. Something to be oxidised needs to loose electrons, (rusting is a type of oxidation), if you see there is a power supply which provides constant supply of e- which doesn't allow it to rust.

Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: SoONa on June 06, 2010, 10:21:40 pm
Metal Nitrate:
(upon heating)

Group 1: Metal Nitrate > Metal Nitrite + Oxygen
Group 2 & Others : Metal Nitrate > Metal Oxide + Nitrogen Dioxide + Oxygen

Metal Hydroxide :
(upon heating)

Group 1 : No Decomposition
Group2 & Others : Metal Hydroxide > Metal Oxide + Water

Metal Carbonate:
(upon heating)

Group 1: No Decomposition
Group 2 & Others : Metal Carbonate > Metal Oxide + CarbonDioxide  


thank u soo much very helpful.. !!!
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: luv3life on June 07, 2010, 03:35:53 am
Leaving for Chemistry Paper 3 now. Very nervous! My paper starts after 1 and a half hours...

Wish me Luck, guys!

Pray for me, and I shall pray for you! :D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: gaurav95 on June 07, 2010, 03:47:46 am
going for d xam in an hour.....
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Dana on June 07, 2010, 09:28:50 am
Um, electrolysis is 5 b)i ans ii. This is something CIE wants to confuse people, you might have never learned about it but you should use your concepts of oxidation and reduction. Something to be oxidised needs to loose electrons, (rusting is a type of oxidation), if you see there is a power supply which provides constant supply of e- which doesn't allow it to rust.


thanks :)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: The Golden Girl =D on June 07, 2010, 12:15:18 pm
yo amigos ...........i hope y'all roast the paper today ,if u kno what i mean :P
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 07, 2010, 03:33:14 pm
yo amigos ...........i hope y'all roast the paper today ,if u kno what i mean :P
You evil meanie -v- Jokes ... Well I had my exam earlier this afternoon, a high A* is guaranteed, sadly no chance of Top in the World nor Brilliance in Hong Kong due to two careless mistakes that I would never concede in unit tests and internal mocks D:
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: The Golden Girl =D on June 07, 2010, 04:21:01 pm
You evil meanie -v- Jokes ... Well I had my exam earlier this afternoon, a high A* is guaranteed, sadly no chance of Top in the World nor Brilliance in Hong Kong due to two careless mistakes that I would never concede in unit tests and internal mocks D:

lol.....well atleast an A* is guaranteed mate ;)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 07, 2010, 05:35:03 pm
lol.....well atleast an A* is guaranteed mate ;)
This can be best described as a stinging bitterness, checked thrice with the lab dude and chemistry teacher at school, am very confident that I have gotten every single questions in papers 1 and 5 correctly ... I probably have lost three marks at max in Paper 3, but since my ultimate aspiration is Top in the World, it is a major setback nonetheless ...
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: elemis on June 07, 2010, 05:39:49 pm
This can be best described as a stinging bitterness, checked thrice with the lab dude and chemistry teacher at school, am very confident that I have gotten every single questions in papers 1 and 5 correctly ... I probably have lost three marks at max in Paper 3, but since my ultimate aspiration is Top in the World, it is a major setback nonetheless ...

The past is quite simply; the past. No matter how hard you try the clock cannot be turned backed.

Relish your A* and be ready to put a wide smile on your parent's face. ;)
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Helium on June 07, 2010, 05:49:54 pm
yo amigos ...........i hope y'all roast the paper today ,if u kno what i mean :P

yup we roasted, heated and burned in air,

and obtained it pure. :D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: J.Darren on June 07, 2010, 05:55:28 pm
yup we roasted, heated and burned in air,

and obtained it pure. :D
You have forgotten to wash it with water prior to roasting in order to remove traces of the solution in percipitation :P
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: The Golden Girl =D on June 07, 2010, 10:20:10 pm
yup we roasted, heated and burned in air,

and obtained it pure. :D


hahahaha ..LMAO ..lool
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: elemis on June 08, 2010, 05:52:30 am
As all IGCSE chemistry exams are over, this topic will be locked.
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Monica on June 08, 2010, 06:02:09 am
As all IGCSE chemistry exams are over, this topic will be locked.

Nooo!!!! Why are you locking all topics?!???!?!

There is still OCT/NOV session coming up and people might want to post here!
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: elemis on June 08, 2010, 06:04:50 am
Nooo!!!! Why are you locking all topics?!???!?!

There is still OCT/NOV session coming up and people might want to post here!

*SMACKS HEAD* OH damn I forgot, I'll unlock this.  :-X
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Monica on June 08, 2010, 06:07:13 am
*SMACKS HEAD* OH damn I forgot, I'll unlock this.  :-X

LOL I knew you forgot.

Its alright, just unlock the rest also.

You want to be a moderator on this board between? Shall I add your name here?
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: elemis on June 08, 2010, 06:28:21 am
LOL I knew you forgot.

Its alright, just unlock the rest also.

You want to be a moderator on this board between? Shall I add your name here?

OKAY !!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Helium on June 08, 2010, 09:03:33 am
You have forgotten to wash it with water prior to roasting in order to remove traces of the solution in percipitation :P

haha lol :D
Title: Re: Chemistry P3 7/6/2010
Post by: Helium on June 08, 2010, 09:04:42 am
OKAY !!!!  ;D

oh oh strict guy watching,

 :Pjk Ari :P