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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: nid404 on August 02, 2010, 04:49:08 pm
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Post your views with evidence to back it up.
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I don't agree . I believe it is a world for both genders ..I got a lot to say but i guess will post later iA ;)
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Golden Girl why are you postponing things :P
YES. Arabdom is a man;s world apparently.
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Cuz i need to think lol :)
I believe Men Need Women and Women Need Men . I'll give u two examples they may lack some of the good qualities that r in men and women but I'm trying to do my best here ::)
An Evidence to what Nid said is that most countries Are ruled by Men and the ones ruled by Women are a small number .
Ex.1. :
When ur dad comes from work and He is in a Bad Mood or Angry and ur Mom talks to him , You'll notice that ur dad calmed down and is Relaxed . What I'm trying to say is that Women are Good when it comes to such kind of situations.
A Fact :
Women are much better in Caring for their children and giving them the kind of Love ...etc feelings they need While Men aren't really Superb in this Field.
In some cases ; U might find a dad who has a lot of daughters and A Son ...U'll find him kind of favoring His Son more than his daughters While the Mom will LUB all her kids the same way cuz she had to go through a lot to get every and each one of them.
I don't know y i get the feeling that i didn't Get what Nid is trying to ask ....Well anyways that's ALL i have in mind for now ;)
(My lil bro thinks what i said is not Good ....man I'm sick of this ...Anyways i gtg )
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Cuz i need to think lol :)
I believe Men Need Women and Women Need Men . I'll give u two examples they may lack some of the good qualities that r in men and women but I'm trying to do my best here ::)
An Evidence to what Nid said is that most countries Are ruled by Men and the ones ruled by Women are a small number .
Ex.1. :
When ur dad comes from work and He is in a Bad Mood or Angry and ur Mom talks to him , You'll notice that ur dad calmed down and is Relaxed . What I'm trying to say is that Women are Good when it comes to such kind of situations.
A Fact :
Women are much better in Caring for their children and giving them the kind of Love ...etc feelings they need While Men aren't really Superb in this Field.
In some cases ; U might find a dad who has a lot of daughters and A Son ...U'll find him kind of favoring His Son more than his daughters While the Mom will LUB all her kids the same way cuz she had to go through a lot to get every and each one of them.
I don't know y i get the feeling that i didn't Get what Nid is trying to ask ....Well anyways that's ALL i have in mind for now ;)
(My lil bro thinks what i said is not Good ....man I'm sick of this ...Anyways i gtg )
I swear i am not sugarcoating you but this post was bull's eye.
Women just dont seem to understand their place.
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It's still a man's world. Women, with a few exceptions, have no life.
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Ex.1. :
When ur dad comes from work and He is in a Bad Mood or Angry and ur Mom talks to him , You'll notice that ur dad calmed down and is Relaxed . What I'm trying to say is that Women are Good when it comes to such kind of situations.
Women and men are both influential in their way when it comes to family.
Who's authoritative? Look around you...who's is the final word?
A Fact :
Women are much better in Caring for their children and giving them the kind of Love ...etc feelings they need While Men aren't really Superb in this Field.
In some cases ; U might find a dad who has a lot of daughters and A Son ...U'll find him kind of favoring His Son more than his daughters While the Mom will LUB all her kids the same way cuz she had to go through a lot to get every and each one of them.
Yes. Women are much better at things....but are they given the credit?
I don't know y i get the feeling that i didn't Get what Nid is trying to ask ....Well anyways that's ALL i have in mind for now ;)
(My lil bro thinks what i said is not Good ....man I'm sick of this ...Anyways i gtg )
oops...haha..yup you haven't really gotten me :P
Anyway what I meant to ask was how men are given preference in certain cases.
We talk abt equality...yes, women are doing much better COMPARATIVELY...but still haven't been able to reach that level
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/dec/07/women-equality-feminism-glass-ceiling
Also when we talk of sports. Do you see anyone on the forum talking about the Women's FIFA World cup? I doubt if ppl know abt it?
This is also the case with Cricket/hockey
Tennis is one sport wherein both male and female players have made their mark...but women still earn lesser as compared to their male counterparts.
We may give a few examples of successful women. We know them because they are only a few...like Hillary Clinton,Oprah Wimfrey or so.
Women weren't allowed to join the armed forces until recently.
I still don't see women being equivalent.
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This is a debate that can rival the divinity of Jesus along with Non canonical Bibles cos it is that old.
I wonder if any one can bring a new spin to it.
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I guess i have seen a thread like this decades ago but don't remember the name -_-
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Totally agree with the fact that its a men's world..
dont care how many rights women have at the moment but starting from the root level they all are made by men.. by suppressing women :P
Let me generalize my view!
For example, today we gotta see a lot of women in entertainment and women do feel proud of doing such work and entertaining us! Infact MEN! they are suppress in a way that they are not treated equally. Recent example is of those cheer leaders in South Africa IPL season 2.. where women were cheering the crowd up in 2 pieces in the chill cold weather.. no MEN, why? and if there were why not 2 piece???! LOL!
they gonna dance in minimum clothes in the snowy weather where as you'll see men wearing suits! :P even though its a women choice to work this way but for MEN, to entertain them, circle is complete over here.! :P
another example is of women smuggling which is now largest after drug smuggling! who and why are the questions giving answers to this topic. Men smuggle them for their satisfaction! Its common worldwide... No rules and proper action taken for it.. no one able to stop this all. Israel on the top with these activities! can give you more detail cos i am now a days searching on it ;)
Women are the only subject of mainly all the songs for men's satisfaction ;)
and especially when it comes to under developed countries.. women is treated with such cruelty which shows the humanity in us is completely vanished!
Football on such a high standard, not for women? WHY???!! cos of older generation of MEN or we are continuing that trend?
and top of all.. Women who are highly educated are not tolerated by normal men who are not much educated cos of their ego. ;)
women mainly depends on the society and thanks to men who leads it taking advantage of them :P
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Many of you speak from a Middle Eastern perspective.
Women in the west have long been emancipated.
15.7 % (as of 2008) of High ranking corporates in the US alone are women.
Thats a big jump from when women weren't even allowed to vote.
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It may still be a mans world in the eastern side, but be aware that it will soon be a woman's world. The ratio of Male:Female is getting less day by day. In KL, there are more females than males. With more developments, the third world countries will also see this trend. And it will be interesting to see how a "woman's world" would look like as oppposed to a "mans world".
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It may still be a mans world in the eastern side, but be aware that it will soon be a woman's world. The ratio of Male:Female is getting less day by day. In KL, there are more females than males. With more developments, the third world countries will also see this trend. And it will be interesting to see how a "woman's world" would look like as oppposed to a "mans world".
LOL! Check out the pictures gg posted in the funny pictures thread....
The question was "What if women ruled the world?"
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Many of you speak from a Middle Eastern perspective.
Women in the west have long been emancipated.
15.7 % (as of 2008) of High ranking corporates in the US alone are women.
Thats a big jump from when women weren't even allowed to vote.
And what exactly would that prove? Is freedom is the ability of a living creature to sustain on its own? Or is freedom the meaning of being allowed to do everything men are allowed to do?
This debate is as old as, idk, Adam and Eve. :P Reason(s) being; there is no set standard of woman and man equality. Saying that women and men should be treated the same is somewhat absurd and contradicts science, seeing there is a big difference between the physical and emotional strengths and weaknesses of a woman against a man's. (And yes, I know some women are stronger than some men.) I'm not saying women are weak and fragile and all that, but they are a different system of thought.
Also, some of us don't think being a housewife is unproductive, while some of us do. I don't see why it's unproductive in any way; even if we demean it, for a true housewife who controls most of the chores of the house as well as the grooming of her children, when we calculate her 'pay' given she was paid for all her hard-work, she might be earning much more than her husband. ;D Bringing money into the house isn't the only deciding factor in the 'productivity' of an individual.
So, unless feminists know what they're fighting for, and why, and they somehow manage to remember that just because America is a superpower it's not the only vote, only then, maybe, we can get better answers. xD
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And what exactly would that prove? Is freedom is the ability of a living creature to sustain on its own? Or is freedom the meaning of being allowed to do everything men are allowed to do?
This debate is as old as, idk, Adam and Eve. :P Reason(s) being; there is no set standard of woman and man equality. Saying that women and men should be treated the same is somewhat absurd and contradicts science, seeing there is a big difference between the physical and emotional strengths and weaknesses of a woman against a man's. (And yes, I know some women are stronger than some men.) I'm not saying women are weak and fragile and all that, but they are a different system of thought.
Also, some of us don't think being a housewife is unproductive, while some of us do. I don't see why it's unproductive in any way; even if we demean it, for a true housewife who controls most of the chores of the house as well as the grooming of her children, when we calculate her 'pay' given she was paid for all her hard-work, she might be earning much more than her husband. ;D Bringing money into the house isn't the only deciding factor in the 'productivity' of an individual.
So, unless feminists know what they're fighting for, and why, and they somehow manage to remember that just because America is a superpower it's not the only vote, only then, maybe, we can get better answers. xD
Liked this. +rep
Also, some of us don't think being a housewife is unproductive, while some of us do. I don't see why it's unproductive in any way; even if we demean it, for a true housewife who controls most of the chores of the house as well as the grooming of her children, when we calculate her 'pay' given she was paid for all her hard-work, she might be earning much more than her husband. Grin Bringing money into the house isn't the only deciding factor in the 'productivity' of an individual.
If housewives started to charge, men would be pitiful. ::)
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If housewives started to charge, men would be pitiful. ::)
A housewife eats and gets all her resources for free. :P
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If housewives started to charge, men would be pitiful. ::)
Most certainly.
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A housewife eats and gets all her resources for free. :P
She can work and feed herself once she's out of the house. :P
Most certainly.
Yes. Most.
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Indeed.........its a true fact!!
Man are still dominating the world as he has been doing for the past decades. It is something that we cannot change from one day to another. However you will all agree with me that there has been much progress concerning the status of women in the society!!
It will take time but I believe equality will prevail in some years.......You just have to be patient girls ::P
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We've been patient all these years. We can hang on I suppose ::)
There has been an improvement. Certainly. But we are not equivalent to men as yet.
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Indeed.........its a true fact!!
Man are still dominating the world as he has been doing for the past decades. It is something that we cannot change from one day to another. However you will all agree with me that there has been much progress concerning the status of women in the society!!
It will take time but I believe equality will prevail in some years.......You just have to be patient girls ::P
I don't believe equality can prevail... It is the ONE dark spot on a two hectares plain.
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I don't believe equality can prevail... It is the ONE dark spot on a two hectares plain.
tbh My Sociology Teacher used always say In Conclusion , Discrimination still exists when it came to matters like sexism , ageism as well as racism .....So Unfortunately that's actually true .
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I feel exact equality has never been given to women on the account that they are different beings and have different needs.
However proportional equality towards them I believe have been made.
I need to go back over my old books to take a look at the rise and fall of equality in man and woman, and what we perceive as harsh may be something that is not. Everything is not what it seems.
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tbh My Sociology Teacher used always say In Conclusion , Discrimination still exists when it came to matters like sexism , ageism as well as racism .....So Unfortunately that's actually true .
Yeah, that's true. Unfortunately.
I feel exact equality has never been given to women on the account that they are different beings and have different needs.
However proportional equality towards them I believe have been made.
I need to go back over my old books to take a look at the rise and fall of equality in man and woman, and what we perceive as harsh may be something that is not. Everything is not what it seems.
In the simplest language I can express it: women are now considered human, they are not equal.
Except in few countries where they are the boss. ::)
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In the simplest language I can express it: women are now considered human, they are not equal.
Except in few countries where they are the boss. ::)
Ouch.....
Well let me being by saying that people's perception of freedom and equality vary from place to place, and often freedom is restricted for very good reasons. I think it is rather the over-protective nature of men that has become a perceived barrier to freedom by women, while not thinking of it like this would bring greater felicity.
However, in every society, there are and forever will be bad aspects. Men will be unkind, even brutal to their wives. Women will be the same, some women being unfaithful and so will men. The truth is, I think it is the generalization, that they can replace men, and command them that, lead them, and not be what they have been for the past few centuries. In simple terms: boredom, and an urge to prove superiority.
Yes, there have been cruelty towards women, I have read more cruelty towards women than towards men. Women have been suppressed, but so have men. In truth, so many writers have joined in trying to become famous by demagogy that often, exaggeration of cruelties have often been overlooked. But, I do not agree to the predominant idea, that women can do anything they please. They are separate beings, and so are men, and their differences respected. But, what has recently been occurring is breaking away from the conformities of society to create something new, but in doing so, the collapse of society is all that we are seeing.
Ambition often leads to personal satisfaction, but I have seen (many) women who are achieved but certainly not happy.
In truth, both man and woman have been blinded by the quest for the ether, to reach higher and higher, in short the lech of rank and respect, that serenity and tranquility is overlooked.
Trying to disprove the very nature of human beings is now the aim. I never believe a woman is confined from anything good for her in a moral society, but what concerns me is the insatiable thirst for changing what cannot be changed.
So is a man (following conformity), a man is also restricted to many things.
Equality was always there in societies that followed their conscience. But to think, the very idea where women refuse to have children at all, where it becomes a novelty that everyone wants to experience, where women will not want to be committed to marriage. I can tell you this, I have no problem with a woman being my boss, my leader or in fact anyone above me. What I do have a problem with is ceasing the very nature of mankind, ceasing to create new lines of kinship.
There are limits, for very good reasons. There are laws, that are meant to be broken. But to break, the most fundamental one, I assure all that, there is going to be chaos, so very soon.
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Ouch.....
Well let me being by saying that people's perception of freedom and equality vary from place to place, and often freedom is restricted for very good reasons. I think it is rather the over-protective nature of men that has become a perceived barrier to freedom by women, while not thinking of it like this would bring greater felicity.
However, in every society, there are and forever will be bad aspects. Men will be unkind, even brutal to their wives. Women will be the same, some women being unfaithful and so will men. The truth is, I think it is the generalization, that they can replace men, and command them that, lead them, and not be what they have been for the past few centuries. In simple terms: boredom, and an urge to prove superiority.
Yes, there have been cruelty towards women, I have read more cruelty towards women than towards men. Women have been suppressed, but so have men. In truth, so many writers have joined in trying to become famous by demagogy that often, exaggeration of cruelties have often been overlooked. But, I do not agree to the predominant idea, that women can do anything they please. They are separate beings, and so are men, and their differences respected. But, what has recently been occurring is breaking away from the conformities of society to create something new, but in doing so, the collapse of society is all that we are seeing.
Ambition often leads to personal satisfaction, but I have seen (many) women who are achieved but certainly not happy.
In truth, both man and woman have been blinded by the quest for the ether, to reach higher and higher, in short the lech of rank and respect, that serenity and tranquility is overlooked.
Trying to disprove the very nature of human beings is now the aim. I never believe a woman is confined from anything good for her in a moral society, but what concerns me is the insatiable thirst for changing what cannot be changed.
So is a man (following conformity), a man is also restricted to many things.
Equality was always there in societies that followed their conscience. But to think, the very idea where women refuse to have children at all, where it becomes a novelty that everyone wants to experience, where women will not want to be committed to marriage. I can tell you this, I have no problem with a woman being my boss, my leader or in fact anyone above me. What I do have a problem with is ceasing the very nature of mankind, ceasing to create new lines of kinship.
There are limits, for very good reasons. There are laws, that are meant to be broken. But to break, the most fundamental one, I assure all that, there is going to be chaos, so very soon.
Wow... Quite long. Forgive me, I'll be rather short. ::)
There is not and cannot be equality because both of the sexes, if they are to complement each other, cannot be equal-- cannot be substitutes.
If we're not equal, it's not a fatality. It's a reality, a stable one.
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I think I understand what Engraved is trying to say. At least, my perspective on the matter is that women cannot demand the same role in a society as men because they are no befitting for all roles, just as men are not. They are different individuals with distinct needs and capabilities, which differ from men, and they are not designed for a dominant role in a society.
Does that make them inferior or degraded? Not really. A good organization always has one head, which is logical and stable at all times and is ready to take up full responsibility of matters. It doesn't mean that other people who are involved in the infrastructure of the organization are inferior or useless, in fact their existence is the only way the organization is stable. I've give this parable to a family, which is also an organization with rules and a system. I'm not saying that men can do whatever the hell they want and women should only mop the house, I'm saying that someone needs to have a veto vote: someone does.
The reasons for this are simple. We're students and so it should be easy to clarify that it is scientifically proven that a woman's emotional quotient is usually higher than her intelligence quotient, as opposed to men. (Please, no arguments on how it differs for one women in a ten thousand. You know why.) Her monthly menstrual cycle leads to symptoms of premenstrual syndrome, which if you google up would ascribe certain amount of delirium and logical weakness to a woman. For someone who is to be the boss of a new generation, this is obviously not beneficiary in any regard. At the same time, she is perfectly suited for the role of a mother, a teacher and a molder of personality, because her love is beyond logic and reason. She has the power of sacrifice and resilience to pain, which even men do not encompass. These qualities are not, in my opinion, of a leader but of a revolutionary, whose efforts can change a whole generation if she pleases.
Like Alpha said, men and women complement each other. If someone studies Genetics, you will notice that there are only three ways of expression of an allele in presence of a dominant one: AA, meaning both are identical and dominant, so trait A is expressed; Aa, one is dominant and other is recessive, so still trait A is expressed--lastly, AB, where both are nonidentical and dominant so your specimen is torn into two different traits. Do you want your society to be split into two parts, your family to be broken at its hinges and your own mind going against what you're best at? Didn't think so.
I know I will attract huge criticism for my ideas but I guess it's understandable, very few people live by this ideal nowadays. Also, I'm a novelist, SO YES I ramble. ::)
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I think I understand what Engraved is trying to say. At least, my perspective on the matter is that women cannot demand the same role in a society as men because they are no befitting for all roles, just as men are not. They are different individuals with distinct needs and capabilities, which differ from men, and they are not designed for a dominant role in a society.
Does that make them inferior or degraded? Not really. A good organization always has one head, which is logical and stable at all times and is ready to take up full responsibility of matters. It doesn't mean that other people who are involved in the infrastructure of the organization are inferior or useless, in fact their existence is the only way the organization is stable. I've give this parable to a family, which is also an organization with rules and a system. I'm not saying that men can do whatever the hell they want and women should only mop the house, I'm saying that someone needs to have a veto vote: someone does.
The reasons for this are simple. We're students and so it should be easy to clarify that it is scientifically proven that a woman's emotional quotient is usually higher than her intelligence quotient, as opposed to men. (Please, no arguments on how it differs for one women in a ten thousand. You know why.) Her monthly menstrual cycle leads to symptoms of premenstrual syndrome, which if you google up would ascribe certain amount of delirium and logical weakness to a woman. For someone who is to be the boss of a new generation, this is obviously not beneficiary in any regard. At the same time, she is perfectly suited for the role of a mother, a teacher and a molder of personality, because her love is beyond logic and reason. She has the power of sacrifice and resilience to pain, which even men do not encompass. These qualities are not, in my opinion, of a leader but of a revolutionary, whose efforts can change a whole generation if she pleases.
Like Alpha said, men and women complement each other. If someone studies Genetics, you will notice that there are only three ways of expression of an allele in presence of a dominant one: AA, meaning both are identical and dominant, so trait A is expressed; Aa, one is dominant and other is recessive, so still trait A is expressed--lastly, AB, where both are nonidentical and dominant so your specimen is torn into two different traits. Do you want your society to be split into two parts, your family to be broken at its hinges and your own mind going against what you're best at? Didn't think so.
I know I will attract huge criticism for my ideas but I guess it's understandable, very few people live by this ideal nowadays. Also, I'm a novelist, SO YES I ramble. ::)
Similar views to Engraved.
And mine. :)
Your rambling was a good piece. ;)
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I think I understand what Engraved is trying to say. At least, my perspective on the matter is that women cannot demand the same role in a society as men because they are no befitting for all roles, just as men are not. They are different individuals with distinct needs and capabilities, which differ from men, and they are not designed for a dominant role in a society.
Does that make them inferior or degraded? Not really. A good organization always has one head, which is logical and stable at all times and is ready to take up full responsibility of matters. It doesn't mean that other people who are involved in the infrastructure of the organization are inferior or useless, in fact their existence is the only way the organization is stable. I've give this parable to a family, which is also an organization with rules and a system. I'm not saying that men can do whatever the hell they want and women should only mop the house, I'm saying that someone needs to have a veto vote: someone does.
The reasons for this are simple. We're students and so it should be easy to clarify that it is scientifically proven that a woman's emotional quotient is usually higher than her intelligence quotient, as opposed to men. (Please, no arguments on how it differs for one women in a ten thousand. You know why.) Her monthly menstrual cycle leads to symptoms of premenstrual syndrome, which if you google up would ascribe certain amount of delirium and logical weakness to a woman. For someone who is to be the boss of a new generation, this is obviously not beneficiary in any regard. At the same time, she is perfectly suited for the role of a mother, a teacher and a molder of personality, because her love is beyond logic and reason. She has the power of sacrifice and resilience to pain, which even men do not encompass. These qualities are not, in my opinion, of a leader but of a revolutionary, whose efforts can change a whole generation if she pleases.
Like Alpha said, men and women complement each other. If someone studies Genetics, you will notice that there are only three ways of expression of an allele in presence of a dominant one: AA, meaning both are identical and dominant, so trait A is expressed; Aa, one is dominant and other is recessive, so still trait A is expressed--lastly, AB, where both are nonidentical and dominant so your specimen is torn into two different traits. Do you want your society to be split into two parts, your family to be broken at its hinges and your own mind going against what you're best at? Didn't think so.
I know I will attract huge criticism for my ideas but I guess it's understandable, very few people live by this ideal nowadays. Also, I'm a novelist, SO YES I ramble. ::)
Comprehensive.
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Hilarious Posts.
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More elaboration is necessary on what is this "man's world".
One perception may be that a "man's world" is where women are discriminated
Well, this is true, to some extent, in the less developed countries. The law for men and women is not the same. Law is often not executed properly.
In northern Africa, it is common for girls and women in villages to face sexual torture, meant to make them less attractive so that men are not attracted to them.
This is definitely something ridiculous as in a "man's world".
Another perception may be that a "man's world" is one where the men works hours in office, and woman sits in home managing the kids and doing household stuffs.
Even here, people will take this in a different way. Some people will think that this is discrimination, that woman are often forced to look after household stuffs and has no independence. Others will think that this is alright, as women and men has different roles to play in the society and a child needs mother's care. As for me, I think the benefits of woman working in the society is far more than being trapped and looking for a child.
In my opinion, yes, this is a "man's world", almost in every way. But women are gaining emancipation in the west, and also in the east. But sadly, middle eastern countries still discriminate women substantially. But the situation should change.
After all, the male:female ratio is getting lesser and lesser day by day. :P
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Andrew Hall, chief executive of the AQA exam board, said it was "a great day for science but a sad day for languages".
Boys continued to lag behind girls in most subjects, a trend of more than two decades, with the gap widening slightly between the genders at the top grades this year.
www.bbcnews.com
This is discouraging.Hey Chingoo dude i dont see logical weakness There :P
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Requiem, I'm not going by researches, I'm going by science. :) Researches are often limited to a certain area, the people being tested might not hail from the same social, economic and cultural backgrounds and even if they do, it is hard to determine whether any external factors are compromising the accuracy of a study. Science is stable, for most part. Women have more connections with the hypothalamus and other emotive centres of the brain, whilst men have more connections with the cerebrum than others. Also, before calling me a 'dude' do check my gender :P
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"Men are from Mars, women are from Venus."and Mauritians are from Jupiter
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I have also heard women have a larger deep limbic System which means women are more able to express their feelings correctly.Does that make Females too emotional for their own good? :P
I think thats a good characteristic for a good leader
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*shrugs* I believe a leader should be unbiased, decisive and have a mental and physical advantage, in general. A revolutionary or innovator should have emotional strength; as I stated before. Women, if focus a certain amount of their strengths (since they would have a job/hobby of some sort, if they like) on their children and the social circle they move in, can bring out a society which is strong and productive. If women fail to do this task neither men nor women can be suited for strong roles in a society.
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How Could You be decisive When You cannot express Your feelings correctly?
Contradiction i see :P
Girls already have a mental advantage
.Proven so dont argue.
2-0 up right there
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Of course you can be decisive; you don't express your emotions as well, you express the facts. Men are generally the kind who don't want to share their emotions a lot, and that's a good thing because you don't give your weakness out to your enemies. You can make decisions without too much panic and pressure being felt.
And girls have a mental advantage of what kind, exactly? Be precise; and what proof? That women can express their emotions better so they have a mental advantage? Well, of course they do. But not the one needed for a leader. Simple as that.
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Mental Advantage as In Academic Performance.
Are you writing through your emotions or stating facts. You are a female no ? :P
All my Female Friends are as decisive as anything.
I go to them for advice.
CONTRADICTION :P
Where are you from
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Dude, I told you before: researches don't mean anything unless they support a scientific fact. And I might be writing through my emotions, God knows how I came up with facts with support my emotions! :o
I'm not saying women are overemotional crybabies who have nothing better to do but sing lullabies. I'm making a comparison, and it's for the GENERAL population of the world, which may or may not include your galfriends. :P
I'm from Pakistan, apparently where you're from.
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See my Signature.
Pakistani and Proud. 8)
Living abroad though.
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I did state a scientific fact.
The larger deep limbic system in women enables them to express their feelings more correctly which i believe is a characteristic of a good leader.
You need to teach your subordinates what you are demanding/ordering Only then they will carry it out efficiently no?
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and Wait.
I asked my Encarta this and she told me that women have significantly larger Orbitofrontal to amygdale ratio which means they can controll THEIR EMOTIONS :P
Good night. ;D
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I've never read of a leader who is a good leader because he's really emotional, touchy and sensitive. I'm sure a leader with these qualities isn't in particular bad, but these qualities are not seen to be the determining factor in the merit a leader. Of course, I don't think there's a 101 on what makes a good leader with UNO so there's a deadlock unless either of us gives up. :P
Also, women are patient so yeah they probably have a control of emotions, but they're the ones PMSing, right? Look it up; it's all about losing emotional control, even if a little.
Good morning here ;D And yes, I did say you're probably Pakistani because of your signature. Proud myself. :)
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Women and girls certainly have a more sensitive 'sixth sense'. This is proven by science. They instinctively pay more attention to the other's body language and signs. As a result, it is more difficult to lie to or cheat/deceive a woman or girl. She can catch you. Or her instinct definitely can.
This characteristic is said to be a natural quality meant for girls to 'catch' if her boyfriend or husband is cheating on her. :P
So Ladies, trust and go for your instinct. :P
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Women and girls certainly have a more sensitive 'sixth sense'. This is proven by science. They instinctively pay more attention to the other's body language and signs. As a result, it is more difficult to lie to or cheat/deceive a woman or girl. She can catch you. Or her instinct definitely can.
This characteristic is said to be a natural quality meant for girls to 'catch' if her boyfriend or husband is cheating on her. :P
So Ladies, trust and go for your instinct. :P
LOL!! SE..This is AMAZING!! mA!! I never knew that there was a 6th sense..I was always wondering why I could feel that some guys r players while others not..hahaha..I loved this..and +rep for that (after 2hrs since already +repped someone :)
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Someone is obsessed with Mauritius, seems. ::)
Women and girls certainly have a more sensitive 'sixth sense'. This is proven by science. They instinctively pay more attention to the other's body language and signs. As a result, it is more difficult to lie to or cheat/deceive a woman or girl. She can catch you. Or her instinct definitely can.
This characteristic is said to be a natural quality meant for girls to 'catch' if her boyfriend or husband is cheating on her. :P
So Ladies, trust and go for your instinct. :P
Agree with that 6th sense. Totally.
But here, you are discussing about leadership-- which sex should be walking ahead?
I would see the world strange were it my mother... or any other woman. Have to admit that.
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LOL!! SE..This is AMAZING!! mA!! I never knew that there was a 6th sense..I was always wondering why I could feel that some guys r players while others not..hahaha..I loved this..and +rep for that (after 2hrs since already +repped someone :)
Hehe, definitely there is! All women and girls should trust their instincts, when it comes to recognising people.
Agree with that 6th sense. Totally.
Because you are a girl and that makes you superior to boys. :P ::)
Common, ALL girls secretly wish that boys were their slaves.
But here, you are discussing about leadership-- which sex should be walking ahead?
I would see the world strange were it my mother... or any other woman. Have to admit that.
Walking ahead? No one sex should be walking ahead. Whether someone should "walk ahead" should not be determined by one's sex. Other factors, like capability are more sensible and correct to determine whether someone should "walk ahead".
If the mother is more capable of earning money than the father, there is no reason why her, taking the lead, should be strange to someone.
I would not blame you or anyone for thinking like this. Women and girls are brainwashed from an early age that men are their "masters". They should follow men, even if it is not good for them. Men, men and men. The wife thinks that he must consult her husband for everything. Otherwise, its "unfaithfulness". When the husband takes decisions concerning important matters alone, even if it goes against her, it is alright since "he knows better".
This type of thinking is obviously flawed and outdated.
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I would not blame you or anyone for thinking like this. Women and girls are brainwashed from an early age that men are their "masters". They should follow men, even if it is not good for them. Men, men and men. The wife thinks that he must consult her husband for everything. Otherwise, its "unfaithfulness". When the husband takes decisions concerning important matters alone, even if it goes against her, it is alright since "he knows better".
This type of thinking is obviously flawed and outdated.
Excuse me? I'm not saying you're entirely incorrect, but declaring a pattern of thought outdated and a brainwashing technique is rather shallow and absurd. It's not always like that, and it's a sad thing you're being very sexist right now, declaring our ideas are 'pardonable' because you feel sorry for us dear souls, who're culturally wronged. Oh goodness, this damsel in distress doesn't know how she was beaten into believing that her husband is god! Who's defying a woman's decisive power to life now?
Stereotypes suck the energy out of any perception, so for me to assume every woman in the Western ideal of feminism is a prostitute simply because they have looser concepts of modesty and limitations, is absurd and narrow-minded.
Anyhow, when talking about roles befitting each gender, within the household and outside the world. Why is it that a woman can earn if she's good at it, but a man can't be pregnant and breastfeeding babies when he's a nurturing personality? It's true, a woman can be a leader in more goal-oriented organizations rather than adherence-oriented organizations e.g. schools, industries, etc rather than politics.
I never implied that a man can make any decision in a woman's absence; in fact, it's not odd that men tend to take opinion from their wives who are 'faithful'. I only imply one thing; when someone has to override the other simply because there's a point of dissent beyond being solved, the man has a veto vote. Why? Because a man can lead, for a list of scientific reasons given above.
Does that mean a woman can't object if the argument he has made a decision which is morally wrong? Of course she can--she must. But being mad simply because your husband asked you not to go to a party that Saturday and then expecting him to come back home early is wrong. (No, it's not right if the husband attends parties too, either.) The woman has the support of the fact that men like her father, brother and so on are her guardians just as much and they can solve the matter instead of a woman starting blood lust, simply because they have a different role altogether.
I know this is where some of you raise the point "but a woman can stand up for herself! She doesn't need men guarding her, she's a strong and beautiful being!" I'm not being judgmental, but see how that's worked out in the criminal history of some of the most developed countries, the US. (And yes, you can't refuse its criminal record just because it was presided over by George Bush.)
Also, the existence of sixth sense is a debatable issue. I'm not saying I don't mind the extra sense, but, science only is helpful in being logical. :P As for the good judgment of women in their spouse's loyalty, you should read the psychological analysis Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus to see why a woman is so observant about her spouse. Helps to know, also, if it really counts the time your husband spends in a party. ;D
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Opinion based debate,this thread shall now lead to.
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Hehe, definitely there is! All women and girls should trust their instincts, when it comes to recognising people.
I don't guarantee it always works.
Because you are a girl and that makes you superior to boys. :P ::)
Common, ALL girls secretly wish that boys were their slaves.
1) There are better slaves than boys. ::)
2) Why secretly? They'd wish it openly. :P
Walking ahead? No one sex should be walking ahead. Whether someone should "walk ahead" should not be determined by one's sex. Other factors, like capability are more sensible and correct to determine whether someone should "walk ahead".
If the mother is more capable of earning money than the father, there is no reason why her, taking the lead, should be strange to someone.
I would not blame you or anyone for thinking like this. Women and girls are brainwashed from an early age that men are their "masters". They should follow men, even if it is not good for them. Men, men and men. The wife thinks that he must consult her husband for everything. Otherwise, its "unfaithfulness". When the husband takes decisions concerning important matters alone, even if it goes against her, it is alright since "he knows better".
This type of thinking is obviously flawed and outdated.
Chingoo gave the multiple reasons already. ::)
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Excuse me? I'm not saying you're entirely incorrect, but declaring a pattern of thought outdated and a brainwashing technique is rather shallow and absurd. It's not always like that, and it's a sad thing you're being very sexist right now, declaring our ideas are 'pardonable' because you feel sorry for us dear souls, who're culturally wronged. Oh goodness, this damsel in distress doesn't know how she was beaten into believing that her husband is god! Who's defying a woman's decisive power to life now?
Outdated - "Men to lead, woman to follow". This was a widely held belief in the sixties. So, I called it outdated.
Brainwashed - Yes. You saw the example of Alpha. She would find it strange, if a woman is playing the leading role in the world. Many girls have a similar opinion and belief.
Sorry if you were offended, but I just outlined why I said the belief is outdated and brainwashed into the minds of girls, from childhood.
Stereotypes suck the energy out of any perception, so for me to assume every woman in the Western ideal of feminism is a prostitute simply because they have looser concepts of modesty and limitations, is absurd and narrow-minded.
Exactly. The same would've been for me too. But I just explained why the belief is outdated and brainwashed.
Anyhow, when talking about roles befitting each gender, within the household and outside the world. Why is it that a woman can earn if she's good at it, but a man can't be pregnant and breastfeeding babies when he's a nurturing personality?
It's true, a woman can be a leader in more goal-oriented organizations rather than adherence-oriented organizations e.g. schools, industries, etc rather than politics.
There are a FEW roles, which are specific to each gender. They are mainly biological. Men cannot have babies or breastfeed babies.
What is not logical, is that people who justify the "men to lead, women to follow" thing, use this phenomenon to explain how the roles are divided completely among genders. Only a few roles, concerning maternal duties, are specific to women. Women can do most things, which men do. Women can work in offices, teach, earn money, play, take part in sports just like men. Any woman who believes otherwise, has a lack of self confidence (probably from the 'brainwashing' factor described earlier).
I never implied that a man can make any decision in a woman's absence; in fact, it's not odd that men tend to take opinion from their wives who are 'faithful'. I only imply one thing; when someone has to override the other simply because there's a point of dissent beyond being solved, the man has a veto vote. Why? Because a man can lead, for a list of scientific reasons given above.
'Science' says that a woman has the same capability as an equivalent male. True, a male has more testosterone hormone, for which he may appear to have more muscles than a woman of the same training equivalent, but the strength is the same. You may google it for more information.
So, it is not clear how the male (or the female) can have a veto vote. Saying that men are better at making decisions is simple generalization.
Does that mean a woman can't object if the argument he has made a decision which is morally wrong? Of course she can--she must. But being mad simply because your husband asked you not to go to a party that Saturday and then expecting him to come back home early is wrong. (No, it's not right if the husband attends parties too, either.)
I wouldn't mind if she attends parties without informing me. :P
The woman has the support of the fact that men like her father, brother and so on are her guardians just as much and they can solve the matter instead of a woman starting blood lust, simply because they have a different role altogether.
As I said, here too, the 'brainwashing' factor comes to play. Girls are taught from an early age that they "CANNOT" be more advanced. This results in them having a lack of self confidence among themselves.
Ask any successful women (money wise), whether she thinks that "men should lead, and women should follow". She would certainly oppose it.
On the other hand, ask a poor women from the village, whether she thinks that "men should lead, and women should follow". She would definitely support it and go on (non stop) how men are more powerful, more intelligent, how her husband is better than her in working and other stuffs saying why she is incapable in doing stuffs. All in all, it will boil down to a lack of SELF CONFIDENCE from being 'brainwashed' at an early age. It happens all the time!
Also, the existence of sixth sense is a debatable issue. I'm not saying I don't mind the extra sense, but, science only is helpful in being logical. As for the good judgment of women in their spouse's loyalty, you should read the psychological analysis Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus to see why a woman is so observant about her spouse. Helps to know, also, if it really counts the time your husband spends in a party.
Maybe I should be more careful when hanging around with girls. :P
I don't guarantee it always works.
Unless someone is unusually skilled at controlling body language and facial expressions, a woman's instinct (or sixth sense) would be right in 'catching' a would-be deceiver. She may be wrong, if she doesn't go for her instinct, and mixes emotions concerning the other person.
1) There are better slaves than boys.
Yes. Of course, you are right: The girls! :P ::)
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2) Why secretly? They'd wish it openly. :P
Oh yes. :P
Makes me remember:
"If you don't want something to be known to 10 people, do not tell it to your wife".
Much truth in it. :P
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Outdated - "Men to lead, woman to follow". This was a widely held belief in the sixties. So, I called it outdated. It is still is now, apparently.
Brainwashed - Yes. You saw the example of Alpha. She would find it strange, if a woman is playing the leading role in the world. Many girls have a similar opinion and belief. OH, so because Alpha has this belief which is similar to other women, she's brainwashed? Why aren't girls with opinions similar to yours brainwashed? The US, for instance, holds almost 1/6-th of the world population. A huge majority is likely to support your view.
Being broadminded is not doing what the 'civilised' people are doing. It's sad to see people say 'I'm an open-minded person, that's why I refute religion' etc. It's the most narrowminded thing to say!
It's accepting that your view can be contradicted and hated. Just because your view is apparently the new one, it doesn't mean that this view is not imposed on women. If you step away from your ideal and look at mine, maybe there are women who want to live by mine. You'd say 'She must be insane!' but sadly, that's the point: you don't define people's choices being rational or not. They do. And if the current society doesn't give them the freewill to determine their ideal, they're just as brainwashed as you believe Alpha or me to be.
There are a FEW roles, which are specific to each gender. They are mainly biological. Men cannot have babies or breastfeed babies.
What is not logical, is that people who justify the "men to lead, women to follow" thing, use this phenomenon to explain how the roles are divided completely among genders. Only a few roles, concerning maternal duties, are specific to women. Women can do most things, which men do. Women can work in offices, teach, earn money, play, take part in sports just like men. Any woman who believes otherwise, has a lack of self confidence (probably from the 'brainwashing' factor described earlier). Am I the only one who knows that men and women don't intermingle in the sports' field? :)
'Science' says that a woman has the same capability as an equivalent male. True, a male has more testosterone hormone, for which he may appear to have more muscles than a woman of the same training equivalent, but the strength is the same. You may google it for more information. Nice try, but that's not true. You can say the overall defense mechanism of a man and woman, on a very broad level, is pretty much the same, but your explanation is pretty much not true. Men have evidently more muscular development than women and less fatty tissue. They also have a higher BMR. To add to that they have greater lung capacity. These support their strength. I know trained women can take untrained men, but we're talking about untrained men and women against each other.
So, it is not clear how the male (or the female) can have a veto vote. Saying that men are better at making decisions is simple generalization.
I wouldn't mind if she attends parties without informing me. :P
As I said, here too, the 'brainwashing' factor comes to play. Girls are taught from an early age that they "CANNOT" be more advanced. This results in them having a lack of self confidence among themselves. I have only said that women have their own strengths and men their own. Saying to a girl she can't be more advanced is another approach altogether.
Ask any successful women (money wise), whether she thinks that "men should lead, and women should follow". She would certainly oppose it. That proves nothing. :)
On the other hand, ask a poor women from the village, whether she thinks that "men should lead, and women should follow". She would definitely support it and go on (non stop) how men are more powerful, more intelligent, how her husband is better than her in working and other stuffs saying why she is incapable in doing stuffs. All in all, it will boil down to a lack of SELF CONFIDENCE from being 'brainwashed' at an early age. It happens all the time! That's the point. It doesn't. You're generalizing, assuming that a housewife is inferior to a working woman, a woman who pays attention to duties involving the household and children is miserable while the other one is not. I'm not the one saying that a woman can't work, make her own call or decisions. I'm saying that when it comes down to the basic level, someone has to submit. And like it or not, a woman cannot be the one to stand in the face of hard, unbiased decisions all the time. They are independent thinkers but their biological make-up means they cannot be stern in the face of opposition and following alike in every situation. I've already rambled on that; either refute Science or don't. There's no gray.
Maybe I should be more careful when hanging around with girls. :P
Unless someone is unusually skilled at controlling body language and facial expressions, a woman's instinct (or sixth sense) would be right in 'catching' a would-be deceiver. She may be wrong, if she doesn't go for her instinct, and mixes emotions concerning the other person. That, again, proves nothing. It just proves that women are good at catching weak links in relationships--which may actually contribute to a good family life--but do you really think they'd be able to catch someone they have little emotional association with (politicians)? They could, of course, but it's obviously very difficult--more so for a man.
Yes. Of course, you are right: The girls! :P ::)
I'm not trying to offend you, but you seem to be swinging me in a circle. I respect your point of view, but if I wanted to play the brainwashed approach and the new mechanism of chauvinism, I would've done so in my first post. Biological evidence is self-sufficient to explain much of my reasoning, and if you go into the current criminal statistics of popular countries, divorces rates if you like or even historical proofs, you'd see that what I'm saying might be an older theory, but it is not completely irrational.
Why is one woman raped every 32 seconds in the US?
Why is one case of domestic violence reported by a married women every 6 hours in the US?
Why are one 1 of 6 fathers sexually abusing their daughters in the US?
I know you will argue that in developing countries, woman don't have a voice of my own. But I live in a developing country--I've never heard, seen or suffered any such damage. Yes, I'm generalizing here so you can ignore my point but it's something to ponder about.
Anyway, I'm resigning from this debate. I didn't intend to reply before but then I decided to have the last word in the argument (now ain't I the stereotypical wife! :P), since the debate was getting redundant and somewhat blood lusty. It was great debating with you, hope to do more of the kind in future. :D
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Oh oh oh okay! Now I don't want a fight! Lol. :P
Maybe I was a bit too strict in my writing. Sorry for that.
Cheer up now.