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Title: What I don't get
Post by: Ukhti-R on October 12, 2012, 12:51:45 am
....is why the forum is not taken over by other IG and A level kids?!

I mean- that's when WE invaded the place and made it alive. We can't still be lingering around years and years later. That's why it's dead, because we've all 'grown out' of SF. But that's FINE, because it's natural to grow out of things you did 3 years ago when you're a teenager.

But what's confusing is where are all the current IG students?!

Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on October 12, 2012, 02:54:44 pm
Alternatives. More attractive and resourceful, that's one of the reasons. Another could be, the old members haven't 'advertised' the place enough for new members to join in and know what was it like.

There's only so much one person can do  ::)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Ukhti-R on October 12, 2012, 08:13:11 pm
I  guess it's a vicious cycle then ...
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Most UniQue™ on October 12, 2012, 08:46:31 pm
They've become genius . They dont need our resources anymore:P
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Deadly_king on October 13, 2012, 07:44:20 am
....is why the forum is not taken over by other IG and A level kids?!

I mean- that's when WE invaded the place and made it alive. We can't still be lingering around years and years later. That's why it's dead, because we've all 'grown out' of SF. But that's FINE, because it's natural to grow out of things you did 3 years ago when you're a teenager.

But what's confusing is where are all the current IG students?!



The new kids do not seem to make the maximum of such forums anymore!

They are more interested in facebook, twitter and others social networks.

Moreover tuition takes most of the time of the students.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Ukhti-R on October 14, 2012, 12:51:22 am
But that should mean that other forums are facing the same problem. If that's so then fair enough, otherwise it could be because of the stuff Amelia pointed out.
Either way, I think we should stop feeling guilty for not giving SF our attention and also to stop feeling responsible for it's deterioration. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I certainly feel a part of responsibility and guilt. But that will stop, because it doesn't work like that.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Deadly_king on October 14, 2012, 05:51:52 am
But that should mean that other forums are facing the same problem. If that's so then fair enough, otherwise it could be because of the stuff Amelia pointed out.
Either way, I think we should stop feeling guilty for not giving SF our attention and also to stop feeling responsible for it's deterioration. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I certainly feel a part of responsibility and guilt. But that will stop, because it doesn't work like that.

Personally I feel we are to be blamed because it was our job as staff members :-\

Nevertheless there a lot other factors as well which relieve us of the blame completely! So partly culprit :P
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Most UniQue™ on October 14, 2012, 08:20:44 am
Other forums arent as inactive compared to SF . So I guess something puts them off from visiting SF . Maybe its because they dont get their doubts answered .
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on October 14, 2012, 08:23:46 am
I don't know. I am hoping it will be active this session. I have checked everything like registration and everything is working, and we still have good search engine rankings.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: DrEvil on October 17, 2012, 05:55:50 am
Other forums arent as inactive compared to SF . So I guess something puts them off from visiting SF . Maybe its because they dont get their doubts answered.

You are absolutely right.

I have been regularly visiting this place for the past couple of days and I noticed one thing that really made me sad and worried. :(
I have seen many members online but they don't post anything. Most of them don't even bother logging in. They just come, visit some of the pages and then off they go. The place doesn't attract them anymore. Its like they have no confidence on the forum that their doubts/questions will be answered here. I can understand that people come and go and new members take their place and the cycle continues but its the reverse-case scenario in here. I have been on a lot of forums but never witnessed such a behavior.

I have been thinking a lot and to be honest couldn't jump to any conclusion but I guess we all know what the reason behind all of this is. We now lack the spirit to help others like we used to do a few years back. Everyone was contributing to their best. Just see the stats for yourself for the years 2009 and 2010. By just comparing the New Topics started now and then, we can say that 2-3 years back new members had the confidence that there problems were going to be solved here and most of the new members that joined us during that period of time are still with us due to the confidence they had.

If you don't believe me than just have a look at the number of views for the past couple of months and then compare that to the number of views 2-3 years back for the same month and you'll definitely get the idea what I am talking about. We have a lot of new members coming in these days but sadly they are just being sent off to other forums just because of our own dereliction.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on October 17, 2012, 04:07:15 pm
We know the problem but finding the solution is a problem. There are not many people around here who can stay and help the new members here - immediately and accurately. Like you said ^, it isn't like how it used to be before... senior members were enthusiastic about helping and answering questions (maybe even competing on who could solve the query best) but now, everything is plain dead.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: DrEvil on October 17, 2012, 04:22:21 pm
We need to request some of the old members to come visit this place once or twice a day for a couple of months just to give the forum a push start. I know its a bit unpractical as most of them are so busy with their lives but it is the only solution that I can think of to revive this forum again. Otherwise all we can hope for is a miracle.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on October 17, 2012, 06:13:29 pm
We have tried that too, there are many who spend their time on FB and I've tried to push them here instead.. we can try again.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: DrEvil on October 17, 2012, 06:48:38 pm
We have tried that too, there are many who spend their time on FB and I've tried to push them here instead.. we can try again.

Then we really need a miracle, I guess...  :-\
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Most UniQue™ on October 17, 2012, 06:57:44 pm
Then we really need a miracle, I guess...  :-\

Seriously if we upgrade this forum and the interface , it will attract many members including the old ones. But this will never happen :-\
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: DrEvil on October 18, 2012, 08:14:40 am
Seriously if we upgrade this forum and the interface , it will attract many members including the old ones. But this will never happen :-\

It can happen but it takes time. But to be honest I personally love the simple layout of this forum. I could never get used to the dusky layout of XtremePapers Forum. It feels like you are doing some kind of strenuous work while reading. It always stresses you out. But others may find it appealing.
There was a 'Students Resource' forum back in 2007-2009. Sadly it got shutdown due to financial problems of the owner and limited number of resources available at that site. But I loved the layout of that forum. It was extremely nice and ethereal. But the forum had a very limited number of users.
So my point is that it all depends on the resources and the members of the forum to keep it vivified. Layout matters the least.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on October 18, 2012, 05:45:10 pm
Astar and EPG have been trying to improve the place since summer, fixing the matter with the bots, with FEP and doing some other technical stuff here as well. It's improving, but I dont know how long it will take to back to its thriving 'SF-self'.

But I suppose, as long as atleast one or two of us are still here trying to work things out, this place wont shut down..
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Most UniQue™ on October 18, 2012, 06:45:21 pm
It was so slow 4 hours back. I couldnt open a thread
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on October 18, 2012, 06:49:48 pm
It's fine now, I think EPG was working on something.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Most UniQue™ on October 18, 2012, 07:53:50 pm
It's fine now, I think EPG was working on something.

Yes Perhaps
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on October 23, 2012, 02:52:01 am
Seriously if we upgrade this forum and the interface , it will attract many members including the old ones. But this will never happen :-\

Agree with him. What we need is an update. Serious, dynamic one. Something that really sets us apart. We wouldn't have to bother about attracting new members then. The old ones themselves will be curious enough to check it out.

Novelty only is the synonym of technology.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on October 23, 2012, 02:55:41 am
And lol, this is evidence for my point... ;D

Because they like to walk.


How come people never get bored doing same things each and every day?
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: DrEvil on October 23, 2012, 04:17:11 pm
And lol, this is evidence for my point... ;D


LOL :D You're really good at digging... :P
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: DrEvil on October 24, 2012, 10:08:24 am
Agree with him. What we need is an update. Serious, dynamic one. Something that really sets us apart. We wouldn't have to bother about attracting new members then. The old ones themselves will be curious enough to check it out.

Novelty only is the synonym of technology.

In my opinion, even if the layout/interface of the forum is updated as you say, believe it or not, the old members aren't gonna stay here for more than a month! The forum will return to its partially-dead status again.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on October 24, 2012, 03:27:11 pm
We keep talking in circles, discussing the same things again and again. It is not going to get us a solution we 'really' do something. Some one should have a miracle idea...fast.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: DrEvil on October 25, 2012, 09:42:49 am
By the way, why aren't you Mods removing all the SPAM threads from all the boards? No offense guys but why so lazy?  :-\
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on October 25, 2012, 08:58:51 pm
I'm the only one who removes the spam threads at the end of the day, but only one and I don't have Harry Potter's Firebolt to sweep around here..

DrEvil, shall I get you back to your admin position and you can help around here better?
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: DrEvil on October 27, 2012, 01:40:47 pm
I'm the only one who removes the spam threads at the end of the day, but only one and I don't have Harry Potter's Firebolt to sweep around here..

I understand the feeling.

DrEvil, shall I get you back to your admin position and you can help around here better?

Thanks for the offer but I don't know for how long I might be here so can't make any promises.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on October 27, 2012, 06:05:38 pm
LOL :D You're really good at digging... :P

 ;D

In my opinion, even if the layout/interface of the forum is updated as you say, believe it or not, the old members aren't gonna stay here for more than a month! The forum will return to its partially-dead status again.

It might work as well once everybody creates that familiar feeling again. Don't speculate like that. It's dangerous. :P

We keep talking in circles, discussing the same things again and again. It is not going to get us a solution we 'really' do something. Some one should have a miracle idea...fast.

(Update, which the longer it takes to come, the more it'll get difficult and useless later.)

By the way, why aren't you Mods removing all the SPAM threads from all the boards? No offense guys but why so lazy?  :-\

E-x-a-m-s right now. We have maintained the position only cause there is no one to take over. But we have a life too. And you know, as you grow, your responsibilities and obligations grow as well. It's the time when you 'make' your life, build yourself a future, etc. Frankly speaking, it's not about being lazy. It's about knowing your priorities. Bots do not top the list. The blunt fact is that we've crossed the age when you are all excited about managing a forum.

Sorry guys, maybe that's harsh, but that is part of the real problem.


Thanks for the offer but I don't know for how long I might be here so can't make any promises.

I hear people think that loudly in the lounge. Me included.

See, he's saying "I have a life, you guys have none." :P :P
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on October 28, 2012, 06:59:48 am
He disappeared for two days even before I put forth the suggestion. We let's see, if Astar can't find a way (which he did and now they are back again), I'm gonna have to promote someone to clean the forum  ::)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: DrEvil on October 28, 2012, 07:55:34 am
It might work as well once everybody creates that familiar feeling again. Don't speculate like that. It's dangerous. :P

I don't speculate. I live in the reality and so should you. You know the history of how all the old members have left this place better than anyone else. I don't see even a 1% chance of their coming back and by coming back, I don't mean logging in after a couple of months and then after a few hours its time to say bye-bye again.

E-x-a-m-s right now. We have maintained the position only cause there is no one to take over. But we have a life too. And you know, as you grow, your responsibilities and obligations grow as well. It's the time when you 'make' your life, build yourself a future, etc. Frankly speaking, it's not about being lazy. It's about knowing your priorities. Bots do not top the list. The blunt fact is that we've crossed the age when you are all excited about managing a forum.

Sorry guys, maybe that's harsh, but that is part of the real problem.

I wasn't pointing any fingers in my previous post as I know how the system works here. We all have a life and I don't think anybody is being forced to give time to the forum. People who are online, are here by choice. Take yourself, for example. You are here by choice and you still care for the forum and even if you are extremely busy, you do give time to the forum once or twice a day. This is your decision. And if your Moderators can't be like that then there is no need of 6-7 Moderators when only 2 are active. If they are lost, its just best for everyone to relieve them of their duties and move on. Keeping them here just for filling in the vacancies will do no good to the forum.
And yes I agree to the fact that there comes a time when you are not excited anymore to manage a forum but I have been there too and all I can say is that if you have even a very little interest left in you, you'll do fine.

I hear people think that loudly in the lounge. Me included.

See, he's saying "I have a life, you guys have none." :P :P

I said that because I honestly don't have any idea when my university is going to start and if I had to use university accommodation, I don't know whether there will be any internet facility available or not. So rather than to accept the proposal, its better to turn it down before you become the center-point of criticism.

I know guys you have a life. And I also know the fact that I am no owner of the forum. Its just that when you have contributed some part of your life here, its really hard to see all of that work going down for nothing.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: DrEvil on October 28, 2012, 07:58:42 am
He disappeared for two days even before I put forth the suggestion.

I didn't disappear. Was out of town for one day! :)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on October 28, 2012, 04:53:53 pm
Everybody will leave one day, except me, old faithful
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: M-H on October 31, 2012, 02:02:18 pm
HEY you guys....the mo I was gonna start a convo about how tragically our beloved-virtual-hangout-plus-a-realtime-stress reliever is being neglected unintentionally and unknowingly, I saw this thread and well, I sooo agree with everyone who is saying that we are all growing up and cannot devote as much time as we did earlier.

But there is something DrEvil mentioned that I agree with is that we at least have the weekends, I just have one day free which is Friday and the remaining days I have to attend Uni. I guess at least if we devote 5-10 mins, we can still hope to make some difference.

And about new SFers who are not willing to participate in chats and threads is cos well, like everyone visiting the forum, they aren't seeing it very active. And they are only new, how would they know that once upon a time everyone used to remain glued to the forum? To make SF what it was before, definitely those of us who've been here from before should sincerely devote our time, no matter it little that maybe.

I am ready to devote at least 10minutes (if not more) from every Friday that I get. InshaAllah. What about you?

And Sir, everything is temporary. You and me, we will all leave. :) I hope as long as I am connected to the internet, I'll be here, if not me, at least my account, my posts. :)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on November 20, 2012, 12:20:00 pm
I don't speculate. I live in the reality and so should you. You know the history of how all the old members have left this place better than anyone else. I don't see even a 1% chance of their coming back and by coming back, I don't mean logging in after a couple of months and then after a few hours its time to say bye-bye again.

I wasn't pointing any fingers in my previous post as I know how the system works here. We all have a life and I don't think anybody is being forced to give time to the forum. People who are online, are here by choice. Take yourself, for example. You are here by choice and you still care for the forum and even if you are extremely busy, you do give time to the forum once or twice a day. This is your decision. And if your Moderators can't be like that then there is no need of 6-7 Moderators when only 2 are active. If they are lost, its just best for everyone to relieve them of their duties and move on. Keeping them here just for filling in the vacancies will do no good to the forum.
And yes I agree to the fact that there comes a time when you are not excited anymore to manage a forum but I have been there too and all I can say is that if you have even a very little interest left in you, you'll do fine.

I said that because I honestly don't have any idea when my university is going to start and if I had to use university accommodation, I don't know whether there will be any internet facility available or not. So rather than to accept the proposal, its better to turn it down before you become the center-point of criticism.

I know guys you have a life. And I also know the fact that I am no owner of the forum. Its just that when you have contributed some part of your life here, its really hard to see all of that work going down for nothing.


Doc... I didn't mean to offend you in any way... but we've been discussing about this "do we need an update" since months, and are still stuck with the discussion. We might as well go on like the UN discussing it for 40 years like they've been doing for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but that just brings us back to starting point.

Tell me yourself, if not an update, what is our next best option? Do we even have one?

This is the reality of our virtual world. People look for novelty, they make time for novelty, they need change. There has to be some breathing space. You can't expect them to stay inside the same 6-feet long hole for too long. They don't have time? Oh of course they do. Just look around on sites like Facebook and Twitter. Everyone isn't lying idle there. The difference is that these sites are always being updated, always finding ways to attract their public. We shouldn't lack behind. XPF has long ago had an update, even TSR has done it now. We are still dragging along...

Well yes, it's true. What will cause people to stay isn't the fact that updates are being made. It's their attachment to the site. But when there is practically nobody here, then attachment to what? The site stays alive with its people!

People say they have "grown out" of SF. That's baloney. We do have a university section here. What we do not have are university students, because... we fail to attract them? Why? This is virtual. Resources can be updated anywhere, in any form. We do not have a copyright on ours. Even if we did, new and better ones are constantly evolving. Then, how can we rely on our resources alone as our marketing strategy?

I didn't disappear. Was out of town for one day! :)

I'm here too. Just had exams.

Everybody will leave one day, except me, old faithful

If not everyday, I'll come once in a while and will bring apple pie for you. :)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on November 20, 2012, 05:44:42 pm
*sighs*

Does the SPAM rule still apply?
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on November 21, 2012, 03:31:05 pm
*sighs*

Does the SPAM rule still apply?

We can give apple pie to those who follow it...  :-\
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on November 21, 2012, 04:29:17 pm
What is the spam rule?
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on November 21, 2012, 05:52:10 pm
What is the spam rule?

Only emoticons.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Ukhti-R on November 24, 2012, 05:37:17 pm
*sighs*

Does the SPAM rule still apply?

Spam rule? Is this thread a spam? :/

We can give apple pie to those who follow it...  :-\

That'd be <3_<3
LOL. No one will spam after that rule!
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on November 24, 2012, 05:45:05 pm
I just said that so that my 'sigh' post doesn't become a spam  ::)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on November 27, 2012, 06:59:57 am
LOL. I miss you guys. :)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on November 30, 2012, 08:48:42 am
....is why the forum is not taken over by other IG and A level kids?!

I mean- that's when WE invaded the place and made it alive. We can't still be lingering around years and years later. That's why it's dead, because we've all 'grown out' of SF. But that's FINE, because it's natural to grow out of things you did 3 years ago when you're a teenager.

But what's confusing is where are all the current IG students?!

You're right... I still miss the old days. Still remember when I got the offer for a moderator from astar, so excited. March 11, 2010! Sweet memories :)

I can't answer for all people, and that will be generalization too, so I'll try to answer for myself. Why I personally don't come here as much as I used to.

Firstly, it's because there's nothing interesting to discuss... Yes, there's a few games on chit chat like "shout loud", "how come", "what are you eating?" etc. But they're dead boring...

Secondly, at least in the beginning, I was heavily motivated by the "Reputation" functionality. Back then, not many people had high reputation and it was a challenge to help others TO gain reputation and further my status. That's not the case now. Now if any moderator reps someone, his reputation increases by some 100+ points in one go. Basically every member who's been active for a week or so has 1000 rep. You have no incentive to increase reputation by posting. Posts barely increase reputation. All you have to do is to please a moderator and your rep will increase by 100.

Finally, and the most important: I believe the decision which killed the forum is: Forbidding discussion on controversial matters (religious, political or "flame topics"). I remember back in the debating days: Debating controversial matters were the most interesting and that which actually made me stick to the forum! I can't emphasise how much this has harmed the forum! I remember when I first registered here, it was just to debate in one topic!

When you have discussion on controversial matters, people actually stick to the forum. When people stick to the forum, this means more posts not only to the controversial topic, but a range of other topics as people explore the forum. And that is what livens up the forum.

Granted, we've had fair share of fights between us on this issue, with nid, Ari and others (including me) leaving because they felt their views were thumbed down. A certain administrator tried to force such rules on us. I won't name him/her here and I wish him/her all the best, what has happened has happened. Above all, I don't blame them. I've been in the moderator team once and I know I have to bear the fair share of the blame, since I remember supporting such policies.

The moment we curtailed free speech by introducing the "controversial rule", the forum effectively became a dictatorship, breaking the cycle of the "member-recycling" process. Obviously, those from a different standpoint would naturally be afraid to post in the forum. This effectively became an Islamic, conservative forum, rather than a place where you can express your views, discuss anything freely regardless of your standpoint. If you don't get what I mean, what if you come across a Student forum, where many topics are about "loving jesus christ"? Will you be willing to register and post there, being a Muslim? Religion is just one issue. Politics is another, equally important one.

In case anyone is wondering which rule I'm referring to, it's this:  "No DEBATING about Religions, politics or adult topics anywhere in this Forum! Debating about them will result in a ban depending on the situation at hand.Only threads for special occasions and peaceful discussions about one religion are allowed and that also in only Chit Chat Board."

Start a few controversial/sensitive/taboo topics on the Debate/chitchat forum, let a few old members get the ball rolling, dissenting with each other, and see how quickly users get attracted there and start posting.

If you doubt what i'm saying, go check the debate section. Sort the topics in descending order (https://studentforums.biz/index.php?board=24.0;sort=replies;desc)

Which topics do you see with the most replies?

Marriage, Boyfriend/girlfriend relationships, homosexuality (now moved, again because of so-called taboo rule), Kuwait (original discussion about Israel/palestine), Kashmir, Love, Divorce, Freedom of speech, 9/11....... Many other topics which would've been there are now sitting in Permanent bin, only because of our short-sightedness.

Nobody loves "peaceful discussions". It's too boring.  ::)

I can tell, because I was personally in charge of the Debate section from March, 2010. Just to highlight the importance of "controversy topics" and not blowing my own trumpet: While I was allowed to do my duty freely, without any interference from administrators, the forum saw it's highest activity ever in May, 2010. :)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on November 30, 2012, 09:28:33 am
And... I don't believe it's cuz of Facebook. Facebook is the least interesting place to have organised discussions. You can shout, abuse and curse the other person and nobody will say anything. And on the other hand you have people sharing silly quotes and statuses. A forum like SF is much better in my opinion, for discussions. It gives a sense of belonging.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on November 30, 2012, 11:56:24 pm
I am trying to do an upgrade of freetextbooks and courseworkbank at xmas.
I will try and change the whole websites to using joomla. Will mean a lot more features over the next year, including a document search.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Most UniQue™ on December 02, 2012, 02:44:34 pm
I am trying to do an upgrade of freetextbooks and courseworkbank at xmas.
I will try and change the whole websites to using joomla. Will mean a lot more features over the next year, including a document search.

I'm perfect in joomla . I have worked with joomla 2.5 so in case you face any problems , I can help you  ;)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on December 04, 2012, 05:20:59 am
And... I don't believe it's cuz of Facebook. Facebook is the least interesting place to have organised discussions. You can shout, abuse and curse the other person and nobody will say anything. And on the other hand you have people sharing silly quotes and statuses. A forum like SF is much better in my opinion, for discussions. It gives a sense of belonging.

You... posted? Since Sept, you didn't come here. :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on December 04, 2012, 05:31:58 am
You're right... I still miss the old days. Still remember when I got the offer for a moderator from astar, so excited. March 11, 2010! Sweet memories :)

I can't answer for all people, and that will be generalization too, so I'll try to answer for myself. Why I personally don't come here as much as I used to.

Firstly, it's because there's nothing interesting to discuss... Yes, there's a few games on chit chat like "shout loud", "how come", "what are you eating?" etc. But they're dead boring...

Secondly, at least in the beginning, I was heavily motivated by the "Reputation" functionality. Back then, not many people had high reputation and it was a challenge to help others TO gain reputation and further my status. That's not the case now. Now if any moderator reps someone, his reputation increases by some 100+ points in one go. Basically every member who's been active for a week or so has 1000 rep. You have no incentive to increase reputation by posting. Posts barely increase reputation. All you have to do is to please a moderator and your rep will increase by 100.

Finally, and the most important: I believe the decision which killed the forum is: Forbidding discussion on controversial matters (religious, political or "flame topics"). I remember back in the debating days: Debating controversial matters were the most interesting and that which actually made me stick to the forum! I can't emphasise how much this has harmed the forum! I remember when I first registered here, it was just to debate in one topic!

When you have discussion on controversial matters, people actually stick to the forum. When people stick to the forum, this means more posts not only to the controversial topic, but a range of other topics as people explore the forum. And that is what livens up the forum.

Granted, we've had fair share of fights between us on this issue, with nid, Ari and others (including me) leaving because they felt their views were thumbed down. A certain administrator tried to force such rules on us. I won't name him/her here and I wish him/her all the best, what has happened has happened. Above all, I don't blame them. I've been in the moderator team once and I know I have to bear the fair share of the blame, since I remember supporting such policies.

The moment we curtailed free speech by introducing the "controversial rule", the forum effectively became a dictatorship, breaking the cycle of the "member-recycling" process. Obviously, those from a different standpoint would naturally be afraid to post in the forum. This effectively became an Islamic, conservative forum, rather than a place where you can express your views, discuss anything freely regardless of your standpoint. If you don't get what I mean, what if you come across a Student forum, where many topics are about "loving jesus christ"? Will you be willing to register and post there, being a Muslim? Religion is just one issue. Politics is another, equally important one.

In case anyone is wondering which rule I'm referring to, it's this:  "No DEBATING about Religions, politics or adult topics anywhere in this Forum! Debating about them will result in a ban depending on the situation at hand.Only threads for special occasions and peaceful discussions about one religion are allowed and that also in only Chit Chat Board."

Start a few controversial/sensitive/taboo topics on the Debate/chitchat forum, let a few old members get the ball rolling, dissenting with each other, and see how quickly users get attracted there and start posting.

If you doubt what i'm saying, go check the debate section. Sort the topics in descending order (https://studentforums.biz/index.php?board=24.0;sort=replies;desc)

Which topics do you see with the most replies?

Marriage, Boyfriend/girlfriend relationships, homosexuality (now moved, again because of so-called taboo rule), Kuwait (original discussion about Israel/palestine), Kashmir, Love, Divorce, Freedom of speech, 9/11....... Many other topics which would've been there are now sitting in Permanent bin, only because of our short-sightedness.

Nobody loves "peaceful discussions". It's too boring.  ::)

I can tell, because I was personally in charge of the Debate section from March, 2010. Just to highlight the importance of "controversy topics" and not blowing my own trumpet: While I was allowed to do my duty freely, without any interference from administrators, the forum saw it's highest activity ever in May, 2010. :)

And yes. I do agree with you. The forum was at its best when the debates section was alive. :)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on December 06, 2012, 11:36:31 am
You... posted? Since Sept, you didn't come here. :o :o :o :o :o

Haha, I log in after 3 months and bump here... what a coincidence! :D
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on December 06, 2012, 11:37:25 am
And yes. I do agree with you. The forum was at its best when the debates section was alive. :)

Thanks. And the slow process of decay started as soon as we forbid religions/political and other "sensitive" discussions.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: NotAbod on December 06, 2012, 02:47:06 pm
Thanks. And the slow process of decay started as soon as we forbid religions/political and other "sensitive" discussions.
I was planning to discuss this in the lounge. Political events are getting interesting day by day. We should allow political debates.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on December 15, 2012, 03:11:16 pm
We already lost our debaters though.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Ukhti-R on December 17, 2012, 04:56:35 pm
That was some long post S.E.! Thanks for that.
Yes, you're right- but even if the rule changed, Alpha's correct- all the debaters have left :/
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on December 18, 2012, 10:53:41 am
They haven't left. They, like me, visit the forum often but turn away when they find nothing interesting .
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: SGVaibhav on December 19, 2012, 10:03:27 pm
more guests than registered members.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: SGVaibhav on December 19, 2012, 10:18:41 pm
They haven't left. They, like me, visit the forum often but turn away when they find nothing interesting .
co-incidence is gonna creep the hell out of u now hahaah
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Ukhti-R on December 22, 2012, 09:44:35 pm
Alright, then why not allow those debates and begin debating?
If they're around, they'd join in.
Come on S.E and Alpha- this is for youuuu.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on December 22, 2012, 10:11:35 pm
co-incidence is gonna creep the hell out of u now hahaah

Haha!  I know, often I come here as guest, have a peek. See the boring topics and go back. :P

Alright, then why not allow those debates and begin debating?
If they're around, they'd join in.
Come on S.E and Alpha- this is for youuuu.

Yeah, thats why i started the "should muslims support israel?" debate as a starter... Don't have much time for full fledged debating but still, let's see how this works out. ;D
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on December 23, 2012, 02:56:55 am
With a confidence level as low as mine, one can only be a spectator.

The world has too much hatred. I'd prefer spend the little time we have in a more joyful way, happily, not snarling at each other.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Crooked on December 25, 2012, 12:14:40 am
Heyyyyyyyy. Hating on eachother is fine. :P It's not like someone would kill online. :P Remember all the fights in the past ? I can blame a lot of people for ruining sf but let's not go over ther. ::)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on December 25, 2012, 12:29:58 pm
I thought those fights belonged to the past only. They've transcended into the present.

Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on December 25, 2012, 01:55:04 pm
Fights fights fights!!! Let's rather concentrate on what little can be done to revive this dead place! :(
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on December 25, 2012, 02:55:57 pm
Fights fights fights!!! Let's rather concentrate on what little can be done to revive this dead place! :(

Let's sing. I start. ;D

Don't cry for mee Argentiiiinaa
The truth is I neeever left you
All through my madddd days
My mad existencee
I kept my promise
Don't keep your distance

I love this song.  :)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Crooked on December 25, 2012, 03:24:50 pm
Fights fights fights!!! Let's rather concentrate on what little can be done to revive this dead place! :(

There's not much that can be done. We've had some very poor days. We lost many members than we gained. Although i feel it's normal now. I hope we get some new, interesting members. :D
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on December 25, 2012, 03:25:44 pm
There's not much that can be done. We've had some very poor days. We lost many members than we gained. Although i feel it's normal now. I hope we get some new, interesting members. :D

Coookyyy! Shing with mew :P
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Crooked on December 25, 2012, 03:39:30 pm
Coookyyy! Shing with mew :P

LOL, what's up with yuh ? :P
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on December 25, 2012, 03:53:01 pm
Let's sing. I start. ;D

Don't cry for mee Argentiiiinaa
The truth is I neeever left you
All through my madddd days
My mad existencee
I kept my promise
Don't keep your distance

I love this song.  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dlwVKm8ArQ&feature=player_embedded

It's nice! :)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on December 25, 2012, 03:55:42 pm
There's not much that can be done. We've had some very poor days. We lost many members than we gained. Although i feel it's normal now. I hope we get some new, interesting members. :D

It's sad... we spent so much of our time here... And now it's dead! >:(

I wonder what's the real reason behind it... At first, it was ExamPapersGeek, silvri, Adi, roxy, Ari, nid, Mana, ExamTerrified, staceyboy3 etc who made the forum alive. Next time, it was you, me, alpha, shoshou, amelia, romeesa etc. who made it alive.. Why did the cycle stop after that? :-X :-\
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on December 25, 2012, 06:16:40 pm
LOL, what's up with yuh ? :P

When people sing, they rarely fight.  :P


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dlwVKm8ArQ&feature=player_embedded

It's nice! :)

Thank youuu.  :)

Sing with me.  ;D

It's sad... we spent so much of our time here... And now it's dead! >:(

I wonder what's the real reason behind it... At first, it was ExamPapersGeek, silvri, Adi, roxy, Ari, nid, Mana, ExamTerrified, staceyboy3 etc who made the forum alive. Next time, it was you, me, alpha, shoshou, amelia, romeesa etc. who made it alive.. Why did the cycle stop after that? :-X :-\

We grew up and didn't find anyone to replace us.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on December 25, 2012, 06:48:05 pm
When people sing, they rarely fight.  :P


Thank youuu.  :)

Sing with me.  ;D

We grew up and didn't find anyone to replace us.

Not good at singing! :P

We grew up, like everybody does! ::) But I don't remember the first batch members like silvri, Adi, nid recruiting us to the forum! It's supposed to be a natural cycle, which broke! :(
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Crooked on December 25, 2012, 07:03:27 pm
I agree with SE. We obviously can't replace anyone. It happens by itself. I guess our rivals beat us while we were all messed up in our personal problems. That's cool, tbh. :D We were ineffective so we got kicked to the sideline. :P

And LOL, i can't sing. I'll only sing fer my wifey. ::) :P
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on December 25, 2012, 07:06:35 pm
I agree with SE. We obviously can't replace anyone. It happens by itself. I guess our rivals beat us while we were all messed up in our personal problems. That's cool, tbh. :D We were ineffective so we got kicked to the sideline. :P

And LOL, i can't sing. I'll only sing fer my wifey. ::) :P

Yeah but... dude, even if there were personal problems, how did it put other people off from joining the forum? ::)

If i remember correctly, there were grievous problems with sweetsh too! Forum didn't die down after that!  ???
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on December 26, 2012, 02:53:13 pm
We promised an update, which till now, has never happened...
Promises give hope. When not kept, people lose trust.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Most UniQue™ on December 26, 2012, 05:07:38 pm
We promised an update, which till now, has never happened...
Promises give hope. When not kept, people lose trust.

Instead Astar has been updating his other sites . I dont know why this forum never gets updated .

P.S: No Offense Mr. Paul:D
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Alpha on December 26, 2012, 05:11:21 pm
Instead Astar has been updating his other sites . I dont know why this forum never gets updated .

P.S: No Offense Mr. Paul:D

Me waiting since so long for it. Now, am working. I might have to miss it, if it ever comes.  :(
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Amelia on December 26, 2012, 05:25:07 pm
People study in Facebook these days  ::)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on December 26, 2012, 05:59:23 pm
We promised an update, which till now, has never happened...
Promises give hope. When not kept, people lose trust.

Can't help but agree!  :-\

Quote
Instead Astar has been updating his other sites . I dont know why this forum never gets updated .

P.S: No Offense Mr. Paul:D

Maybe cuz SF doesn't bring much ad revenues ::)

He should update it... Xenforo, vBulletin and there are so many new interfaces! ::) Any one would give it a grander look.

Only then, the spammer/bot problem would be solved and the site would have some sort of appeal to newcomers.  >:(
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Most UniQue™ on December 26, 2012, 08:02:29 pm
Maybe cuz SF doesn't bring much ad revenues ::)

He should update it... Xenforo, vBulletin and there are so many new interfaces! ::) Any one would give it a grander look.

Only then, the spammer/bot problem would be solved and the site would have some sort of appeal to newcomers.  >:(

No revenues at all because there are no ads on SF .


Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on December 31, 2012, 09:40:15 am
Seriously if we upgrade this forum and the interface , it will attract many members including the old ones. But this will never happen :-\

I second this. ::)
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: Ukhti-R on January 21, 2013, 07:22:16 pm
It's sad... we spent so much of our time here... And now it's dead! >:(

I wonder what's the real reason behind it... At first, it was ExamPapersGeek, silvri, Adi, roxy, Ari, nid, Mana, ExamTerrified, staceyboy3 etc who made the forum alive. Next time, it was you, me, alpha, shoshou, amelia, romeesa etc. who made it alive.. Why did the cycle stop after that? :-X :-\

There was a group of people before that. That;s the batch I started in, me, mony, panther, sanity master,, Q80, sweetsh and a few others.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: SGVaibhav on January 21, 2013, 07:42:31 pm
Look at the stats.
https://studentforums.biz/index.php?action=stats
14th Jan or 17th Jan
On 14th Jan 0 post. 0 topics. Only 8 new members.
On 17th Jan 0 new topics, 2 new posts.Only 8 new members. BUT 333 people most online which is the highest online EVER!.

We have lots of views, lots of views, but literally no posts/activity.
Title: Re: What I don't get
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on November 20, 2013, 12:53:51 pm
Those were bots. I have done much more security stuff and the forum is updated