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Title: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 11, 2010, 08:04:52 am
Marriage--- should it be a union for LIFE?

What do you think? And why?
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: kimlasmay on February 11, 2010, 08:38:22 am
I would definitely say that it's a lifelong commitment...I mean if u're responsible person and u want to see ur seeds growing up...we should definitely think that marriage is a lifelong commitment...Or else what do u expect out of marriage?
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 11, 2010, 10:10:17 am
Hell, yes, i dont have time right now, but i gave a speech on it recently

wait untill i log on again

and then we'll get this party started....
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on February 11, 2010, 11:10:56 am
You will just encourage man and wife to murder each other
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 11, 2010, 11:23:51 am
hey sir, r u married?
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 11, 2010, 11:30:40 am
Girlfriends and Wives are as like debit accounts. Tactically, get rid of them as soon as their purpose is fulfilled. Otherwise, you will have to pay too much interest.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on February 11, 2010, 11:39:15 am
Yes. We get on.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 11, 2010, 12:14:11 pm
@astar

sounds like a lovely relationship
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 11, 2010, 12:44:28 pm
I would definitely say that it's a lifelong commitment...I mean if u're responsible person and u want to see ur seeds growing up...we should definitely think that marriage is a lifelong commitment...Or else what do u expect out of marriage?


Yes, same opinion as mine... But give me your reasons. That's what I'm looking for, in addition to mine.


Hell, yes, i dont have time right now, but i gave a speech on it recently

wait untill i log on again

and then we'll get this party started....

Sure, waiting impatiently...  :)

You will just encourage man and wife to murder each other

It's better two people kill each other, than to be lying on a death bed alone.  ;)


Girlfriends and Wives are as like debit accounts. Tactically, get rid of them as soon as their purpose is fulfilled. Otherwise, you will have to pay too much interest.

It's good to have contradicting opinions, else, debating would be so boring.  :)

"As soon as their purpose is fulfilled." What purpose??
 
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: holtadit on February 11, 2010, 12:44:44 pm
Why would you marry a person if not for a life long kinship ? Marriage is not only about what happens after the lights go down and you lay next to your wife/husband in bed.

It is about passion, love and affection.


Listen to these wise words and you would be wise to learn from them.

After all I am............................. [scroll down]








THE LOVE DOCTOR !!!
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 11, 2010, 12:54:18 pm
Why would you marry a person if not for a life long kinship ? Marriage is not only about what happens after the lights go down and you lay next to your wife/husband in bed.

It is about passion, love and affection.


Listen to these wise words and you would be wise to learn from them.

After all I am............................. [scroll down]








THE LOVE DOCTOR !!!



LOL  :)

You defined marriage well by removing the common misconception. It is not a one-day one-night relationship.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: holtadit on February 11, 2010, 12:58:57 pm
Thank you.

You can check out my new book: The Love Doctor at Amazon.co.uk Right now priced  at $13.99 but just sign up at Amazonn.co.uk and receive a 20 % discount.

My new movie is coming out soon. Its called:








THE LOVE DOCTOR - REGENERATION
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 11, 2010, 01:02:58 pm
Thank you.

You can check out my new book: The Love Doctor at Amazon.co.uk Right now priced  at $13.99 but just sign up at Amazonn.co.uk and receive a 20 % discount.

My new movie is coming out soon. Its called:








THE LOVE DOCTOR - REGENERATION


Ok, when I get time. Didn't know you write books.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 11, 2010, 01:14:52 pm
The purpose will vary for each individual. But it should be clear and definite before someone marries the other. In no way should marriage be some boring 'life long' relationship. :)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 11, 2010, 01:28:43 pm
The purpose will vary for each individual. But it should be clear and definite before someone marries the other. In no way should marriage be some boring 'life long' relationship. :)

Yes, agree on the 'boring' part...  :) If it's not 'boring', and if people make their choice well, then it should be lifelong, no...?

Marriage does not fail... People fail.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 11, 2010, 01:41:32 pm
When making the 'choice' it is normal for people to get emotional. Nothing, let alone marriage, should be done without a definite purpose, which is of a personal benifit. Love and affection is of no materialistic benifit. It is an investment without any future prospect if done without a definite purpose. :)
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Post by: astarmathsandphysics on February 11, 2010, 01:51:16 pm
People fail. Sounds bad. Like, if they fail, sack them or shoot them.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 11, 2010, 01:53:01 pm
When making the 'choice' it is normal for people to get emotional. Nothing, let alone marriage, should be done without a definite purpose, which is of a personal benifit. Love and affection is of no materialistic benifit. It is an investment without any future prospect if done without a definite purpose. :)

There is another world beyond, above, behind, exceeding, outside this materialistic world. Love and affection is not material, it's greater than that. And people who venture in it do have their purpose. They make it as the purpose of their life. Man is not the creature who satisfies himself with the materialistic, but rather, will give his everything to get a taste of the divine. :)

Marriage is not an 'investment', it is a union. In your language, it's not a partnership, it's a permanent amalgamation.

Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 11, 2010, 01:55:21 pm
People fail. Sounds bad. Like, if they fail, sack them or shoot them.

Yes people fail, just like they succeed. Or give them another chance.

You give a knife in a fool's hand. If he kills someone with it, you can't blame the knife. Can you?
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 11, 2010, 02:04:10 pm
Well, to begin, the definition of marrige in the west is a union of two families (i am from the east), a union of a man and a woman. Before, the idea of having a casual relationship was something embarrasing and something that was seen as a 'disgrace' if it were to be out in the public. ( The school history textbook used in the UK, chapter life in the UK). Now, lately, casual relationships have become very common and something of 'pride'. Teenagers especially have become very fond of the idea.

However, this is the problem, one of the important reasons why marriges form is to fulfill desire. Although it is far from the most important ones. However, it is a big one. Now, at a tender age, especially at adolescenence, 'love' turns up to be a common misconception. At this age, due to hormone fluctuations in the body, there is a mix-up between love and lust. And this mix-up has been promoted over and over again from childhood, like with movies like Cinderella, now a days there are very few people in the world who have not heard the story. Later grown up novels and movies with 'adult' parts in it.

So, I know I will face a lot of critiscism, this is 'typically' what happens. I know there will always be exceptions. But this is 'generally' what happens. Now, this confusion is prolonged because the values that the older generation had about the idea of 'union', the idea that there should be a distance between boys a girls. So, this confusion becomes a fact and a simple thought, 'If I can get what I want of a wife from a girl-friend why the heck should I get married?". So as you can see many people have children with their girl-friends and there is nothig the law does to prohibit this, in most western countries.

Now, so, the man, views that, marrrige is simply a 'sticker' of a formal relation. But, this is where he forgets the commitment. The woman, who is also likely to have many casual relationships in the past thinks similarly. In the US, the average number of casual parterners for male and female is around 8.

SO, now what happens, is the responsibility is erased from the relationship and it simply becomes another casual ones.

Now children, the consequences of a break up is severe. They are not able to go through normal and health growths. So because of such a relation, a relation with little commitment, the children suffer. Now imagine this happening in hunderds of families and now imagine the consequences.

So if marrige is not taken seriously, the children suffer. If the children suffer, the next generation learn the wrong things. Without proper parental guidance, imagine what could happen.

So if there is no commitment, it is not a sinciere relationship and it ends in the next generation being 'screwed'. Marrige is how society is linked, it puts the authority of two families, and thus manu families together. If there is not commitment in a marrige, and as I have said marriges, society collapses.

Now this might be normal to you, I have seen people who have had 'it' many times without telling their parents. Infact this is a key issue in America and the UK.

Hope that answers your question.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 11, 2010, 02:15:17 pm
Well, to begin, the definition of marrige in the west is a union of two families (i am from the east), a union of a man and a woman. Before, the idea of having a casual relationship was something embarrasing and something that was seen as a 'disgrace' if it were to be out in the public. ( The school history textbook used in the UK, chapter life in the UK). Now, lately, casual relationships have become very common and something of 'pride'. Teenagers especially have become very fond of the idea.

However, this is the problem, one of the important reasons why marriges form is to fulfill desire. Although it is far from the most important ones. However, it is a big one. Now, at a tender age, especially at adolescenence, 'love' turns up to be a common misconception. At this age, due to hormone fluctuations in the body, there is a mix-up between love and lust. And this mix-up has been promoted over and over again from childhood, like with movies like Cinderella, now a days there are very few people in the world who have not heard the story. Later grown up novels and movies with 'adult' parts in it.

So, I know I will face a lot of critiscism, this is 'typically' what happens. I know there will always be exceptions. But this is 'generally' what happens. Now, this confusion is prolonged because the values that the older generation had about the idea of 'union', the idea that there should be a distance between boys a girls. So, this confusion becomes a fact and a simple thought, 'If I can get what I want of a wife from a girl-friend why the heck should I get married?". So as you can see many people have children with their girl-friends and there is nothig the law does to prohibit this, in most western countries.

Now, so, the man, views that, marrrige is simply a 'sticker' of a formal relation. But, this is where he forgets the commitment. The woman, who is also likely to have many casual relationships in the past thinks similarly. In the US, the average number of casual parterners for male and female is around 8.

SO, now what happens, is the responsibility is erased from the relationship and it simply becomes another casual ones.

Now children, the consequences of a break up is severe. They are not able to go through normal and health growths. So because of such a relation, a relation with little commitment, the children suffer. Now imagine this happening in hunderds of families and now imagine the consequences.

So if marrige is not taken seriously, the children suffer. If the children suffer, the next generation learn the wrong things. Without proper parental guidance, imagine what could happen.

So if there is no commitment, it is not a sinciere relationship and it ends in the next generation being 'screwed'. Marrige is how society is linked, it puts the authority of two families, and thus manu families together. If there is not commitment in a marrige, and as I have said marriges, society collapses.

Now this might be normal to you, I have seen people who have had 'it' many times without telling their parents. Infact this is a key issue in America and the UK.

Hope that answers your question.

Ouf!  :D Am experiencing long posts again... Okay, lemme take time to read. Thank you for the effort though.  :)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 11, 2010, 02:23:31 pm
Thank you The Dude.


Hehe, yes, as I could understand...

   Marriage is a lifelong commitment, because children are not produced for a temporary period.

And yes, if there is no commitment, then where is a man's integrity? Marriage is a series of vows--- how can someone have integrity if he does not stick to his words?

It's also a question of morality. Ethics, social standards.
 
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 11, 2010, 02:34:07 pm
@alpha

When I was in grade 7, I had to read a book 'Tales from Shakespeare' for literature. I got red marks in literature mainly because of my inability to understand and answer any question from 'Romeo and Juliet' and 'As you like it'. :)

Its something I just dont understand.

And no arguements. I have no arguements because I didnt understand your reply at all to be frank. But thats just how I am and I think. I have expressed myself and am therefore out of this debate. :) :) :)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 11, 2010, 02:52:45 pm
@alpha

When I was in grade 7, I had to read a book 'Tales from Shakespeare' for literature. I got red marks in literature mainly because of my inability to understand and answer any question from 'Romeo and Juliet' and 'As you like it'. :)

Its something I just dont understand.

And no arguements. I have no arguements because I didnt understand your reply at all to be frank. But thats just how I am and I think. I have expressed myself and am therefore out of this debate. :) :) :)


Borakk,

 :) You'll understand with time... It's something natural. We all learn to value the immaterial--- life teaches.

You've expressed yourself, thank you for that. I thought you would avoid my posts. Thank you for proving my thoughts wrong. :) +rep for that. ;)

Your views will be respected and accepted, that's how we are and we think.  :) You don't need to agree with everything, you don't need to reflect what others think. Mirrors do the job better.

You just need to express yourself, without insulting others.

In simple words, marriage is a divine union. Next to God. :)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on February 11, 2010, 03:07:25 pm
Look at Hollywood stars. They don't get married these days without planning a divorce.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 11, 2010, 03:09:12 pm
Stylish, I learnt a lot from Literature, and I still love it a lot. I love philosophy and innovation. What I aam about to say to you is an inspiration from To Kill A Mockingbird.


Now, I do not care what perspective you have, you are entitled to and will forever, be entitled to an oppinion. You are human, it is your birth right.

Now, this is what I have to say:

An oppinion is logic, the only oppinon that goes beyond logic is love and religeon.

Now, if your oppinion is something that is not logical, something that you have blind faith in, then I can do nothing to shake it. A man's stongest line to defence is his heart.

But if it is logic, if your logic has been overcome, then you should accept another man's oppinion, admiting defeat is not losing, it is being gr8, because u hav the guts to admit u were wrong.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 11, 2010, 03:10:21 pm
@astar

see, thats proof of what marrige has degraded into because of premature notions of 'love' and 'lust', and the mixing of the two.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: holtadit on February 11, 2010, 04:48:09 pm
Look at Hollywood stars. They don't get married these days without planning a divorce.

or prenupitals
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 11, 2010, 04:55:05 pm
They just want to be gossip.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on February 11, 2010, 06:31:25 pm
Am sure many hollywood marriages are made to make the papers
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: O.T.13. on February 13, 2010, 07:59:42 am
Nah i dont think it should
people who are planning to marry should INTEND on it being a lifelong commitment, but you never know whats going to happen, life is not predictable, why make marriage like some sort of a lifelong binding contract?
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 13, 2010, 01:24:47 pm
yes, we are talking abt the intention, it has to be good and moral. That it why it SHOULD, we never said it must be.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 13, 2010, 02:26:14 pm
Astar,

Yes, nice comments about stars. The cinema, media, and all their brothers and sisters that make the concept of marriage a very banal one indeed. Sacredness lost.

Dude & Omer,

So that marriage is 'moral', how can it be for a temporary period?

And what about children? Are they not affected?

Are courts, mosques, temples, etc, lingerie shops? (Sorry for the word, but, it's the best one in context here) Gotta be changed once a while?
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 13, 2010, 02:56:44 pm
It depends, on the circumstance.

For example, if a husband is unruly and disrespectful of his wife and vice versa, then a divorce should be ordained. There is no other alternative as the Children growing up would be worse off in this sort of relationship.

This is the circumstance, but ppl should always intend in their hearts, that they want to make a commitment to each other.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: O.T.13. on February 13, 2010, 04:42:14 pm
Dude & Omer,

So that marriage is 'moral', how can it be for a temporary period?

And what about children? Are they not affected?

Are courts, mosques, temples, etc, lingerie shops? (Sorry for the word, but, it's the best one in context here) Gotta be changed once a while?

life aint fair
whats better, maintaining a "family" thats broken apart or sharing a custody?
i didnt get ur last line
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 13, 2010, 05:05:41 pm
OTs right, as much as we all think it shud be, there are many circumstances in which it is not.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 14, 2010, 02:27:09 pm
Dude 321,

But then, at every minor disagreement, people will send their spouses to court?

Conflicts do occur, it's natural. But you have to bear with them. THIS is what we call "commitment". It's sacrificing every choice for only one choice.


Omer,

Sharing a custody? How? Sharing the kids? What if none of the parents want to take care of them?

My last line... I mean... Divorce is now more of a trend, than a 'rescue' from a hellish marital life. It's being misused, law is being mocked. People want to 'experience' with many partners. They change it like they're changing --------. You get me now...?


Excuse my short answers this time, tired writing the same thing again.

You may have a look at the discussion that I started at the same time as this one. You'll get a better idea of my points.

http://speaking24.ning.com/forum/topics/should-marriage-be-a-lifelong?xg_source=activity

Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: O.T.13. on February 14, 2010, 06:56:10 pm
nah its aight i prefer the short answers, i aint gonna be able to give enough time or effort for longer ones  :D
well one of them is gonna want the kids otherwise why did they have them in the first place
well "experiencing with many parteners" is more about people's morales than being the concept of marriage: if they were intending on having a "happily ever after" marriage, then the thought of experimenting wouldnt have risen up in the first place
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 19, 2010, 01:31:52 am
nah its aight i prefer the short answers, i aint gonna be able to give enough time or effort for longer ones  :D
well one of them is gonna want the kids otherwise why did they have them in the first place
well "experiencing with many parteners" is more about people's morales than being the concept of marriage: if they were intending on having a "happily ever after" marriage, then the thought of experimenting wouldnt have risen up in the first place

Hehe, I started preferring short answers too now.  :D

Well, about kids, mistakes always occur. If every parent 'wanted' the kid he or she got, then the world today wouldn't be flooded with abandoned children.

Yes, you got me well. It's more about their sense of dignity, their morals. How sad, many have cracked theirs down. And the sad thing is that others unknowingly become their victims.
Does the world really moves on morals? Not for everyone, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: O.T.13. on February 19, 2010, 04:24:04 am
Yea its the sad truth, morals ain't a necessity anymore to live "successfully"
Unwanted kids I will agree to a certain extent, but abandoned children are not all abandoned because of that, three are a number of other factors that contribute to that number
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 19, 2010, 04:39:48 am
Yes, I mentioned one of the numerous factors.

But personally, I think you shouldn't give life to an innocent when you cannot assume your responsibility. These abandoned children did not choose to be born. It could have been anyone. It could have been us...
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on February 19, 2010, 10:59:39 am
I imagined that family and marriage would be really important in Iran but this morning I heard the average woman has only 1.7 babies - one of the lowest birth rates in the world.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 19, 2010, 11:32:47 am
Fertility rate is low.


Maybe they're afraid their children would be at the mercy of death as soon as they're gifted life.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on February 19, 2010, 11:34:41 am
I think maybe that women in Iran are a lot more independent than people think. It is usually women who decide how many children they want.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 19, 2010, 11:44:40 am
Ya, that's the first reason for a drop in fertility rate normally. Education.

I'd read somewhere that fertility rate is going to rise again, after falling dramatically. Pop. would fall to 3 billion to rise up to 9 billion in the future. Just predictions, nothing sure yet.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: nid404 on February 19, 2010, 11:45:04 am
not really sir...women r not that independent her as in the west
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 20, 2010, 10:57:43 am
here*


You're from Iran? Didn't know.

I thought you were Indian.  ;D
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: nid404 on February 20, 2010, 12:15:11 pm
I am Indian :)

"here" as in I meant in the East...East is East u knw....:P

Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 20, 2010, 12:44:30 pm
You will get 'trapped' in the 'commitment'. Just as I said earlier.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 21, 2010, 06:37:57 am
Oh I thought right then Nid.  :)

Hey but, some women in the East, well, you know... Les Hommes Battus.  :D


Borakk, as soon as we take birth, we're already 'trapped' in 'life'.  :)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 21, 2010, 10:49:28 am
I did not mean that actually. What I meant is that both partners should not try to 'restrict' the other which can lead to one being 'trapped'. Like I would never restrict my wife over anything. She will be free to go whereever she wants or do whatever she wants as long as she is there when I get home. Similarly, I would not tolerate her interfering or restricting my life in any way. I would do as I want. And she would do as she wants. Marriage should not be as to 'trap' one or both partners. They should be able to carry on just as they want. So, to allow for this, it should not be some boring lifelong commitment. It should be more like a temporary contract. :)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 21, 2010, 02:30:44 pm
Commitment--- dedication and restriction to only one partner.

Marriage is bound by so many restrictions, even if they are not visible enough. 'Freedom' has its limits too.

Your wife should be here when you reach home--- that's one example.

Personally, I would prefer marriage as a union with all its restraints. That's a "bond".  :) And harder it is, longer it lasts.

Temporary contract?
Divorce is not a play, and marriage, not a game, boy.

It is the only contract that lasts for a lifetime, else, it’s not a contract.


Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on February 21, 2010, 11:07:01 pm
What percentage of wives see their husbands as pets?
Like the dog. To be exercised, fed, cleaned up after. Bloody nuisance if he sleeps on the sofa.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: nid404 on February 22, 2010, 02:35:37 pm
you should be careful when  choose ur partner....
If you say u love someone, you should love him/her forever.....nothing should lead to a divorce...

That's why im against arranged marriages....it's kinda forcing you to get married to someone who's a complete stranger
True Love=Strong relationship=No divorce=Happy Life.... ;D :P
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: nid404 on February 22, 2010, 03:37:11 pm
my dad showed me this message

Nobody teaches volcanoes to erupt, tsunamis to rise and hurricanes to sway around and no one teaches how to choose a wife.

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He wouldn't dare to show that to Mom :P
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 22, 2010, 03:52:06 pm
What percentage of wives see their husbands as pets?
Like the dog. To be exercised, fed, cleaned up after. Bloody nuisance if he sleeps on the sofa.

A large percentage of wives, at least over here. Thats why it is necessary to have no restrictions over each other. Its how I view marriage. :)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on February 22, 2010, 04:32:37 pm
I dont knw about u guys, but my parents are very dedicated to their children, they are just about willing to take on any challenge for thus, that would help up. subhanAllah.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 25, 2010, 02:55:34 am
@Alpha:
I agree that there should be a little bit of restriction as far as extramarital sex is concerned. But this is just as far as it should go.

It is, of course, boring to live with only one partner for the rest of the life. It is a mental torture for both the husband and the wife to form a 'lifelong' commitment and live like that for 40 years. So to free them, it should not be a lifelong one. But a temporary commitment, with a clearly defined time period.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 25, 2010, 02:45:29 pm
Boring? It's not a reason that sticks on its own. So many things are boring for some people: taking a bath everyday is boring, eating is boring, studying is boring, etc. But that does not change the normal course of life.

Besides, children are not made for temporary periods. Can you see them changing mothers and fathers every time? Then will there be the most disputes.

For me, sticking to one partner for life is not 'boring', it's a proof of integrity.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 25, 2010, 03:37:17 pm
my dad showed me this message

Nobody teaches volcanoes to erupt, tsunamis to rise and hurricanes to sway around and no one teaches how to choose a wife.

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He wouldn't dare to show that to Mom :P

Artificial disaster if its a lifelong commitment.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 25, 2010, 03:49:22 pm
Boring? It's not a reason that sticks on its own. So many things are boring for some people: taking a bath everyday is boring, eating is boring, studying is boring, etc. But that does not change the normal course of life.

Besides, children are not made for temporary periods. Can you see them changing mothers and fathers every time? Then will there be the most disputes.


I have no experience of marriage. ::) Just debating. ;D

As far as the children are concerned, I agree that we should show some concern for them too. But that is a secondary issue.

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For me, sticking to one partner for life is not 'boring', it's a proof of integrity.

I respect your thinking. That is how I/we should think too. :)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: O.T.13. on February 25, 2010, 05:08:15 pm
@Alpha:
I agree that there should be a little bit of restriction as far as extramarital sex is concerned. But this is just as far as it should go.

It is, of course, boring to live with only one partner for the rest of the life. It is a mental torture for both the husband and the wife to form a 'lifelong' commitment and live like that for 40 years. So to free them, it should not be a lifelong one. But a temporary commitment, with a clearly defined time period.

now that is a fling not a marriage -_-
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 25, 2010, 05:14:40 pm
LOL, I'm not married either.  :P

Children; they would be my priority. That's a life, a whole new world. They deserve responsible guides.

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I respect your thinking. That is how I/we should think too.  :)

Well.  :)

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now that is a fling not a marriage -_-

Yup. Correct.  ;)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 26, 2010, 08:07:15 am
Wrong. That is the modern style of marriage, offering flexibility and therefore, keeping the number of clashes down to a minimum. It is also designed to normalize divorce. ;)

Children are of course a secondary issue. First its me, then my children. :)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: O.T.13. on February 26, 2010, 09:00:05 am
Wrong. That is the modern style of marriage, offering flexibility and therefore, keeping the number of clashes down to a minimum. It is also designed to normalize divorce. ;)

Children are of course a secondary issue. First its me, then my children. :)

modern style of marriage, if we're going into modern lives then marriage is not a very essential thing, hook up with some chick have half a dozen kids dump her go for the next one who cares!?
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 26, 2010, 12:35:09 pm
Modern style of marriage?

Excuse me, whatever the style, marriage is marriage. We eat "food", in whatever form it might be.

It's either marriage or cohabitation. The difference: marriage is not banal.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 26, 2010, 01:09:50 pm
This modern style of marriage exhibits the most advantages for both the husband and the wife. Its mainly due to the flexibility offered. AND the absence of a lifetime commitment.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: MTerdon on February 26, 2010, 04:02:07 pm
Marriage is by definition a union for life, but since 50% of couples divorce and many more wish to but can't, I think that marriage as a whole is a very poor social model, given the current social environment. It is merely a method of controlling the people, so we are flocked by expenses, mortgages, wedding costs.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: O.T.13. on February 26, 2010, 05:27:26 pm
Marriage is by definition a union for life, but since 50% of couples divorce and many more wish to but can't, I think that marriage as a whole is a very poor social model, given the current social environment. It is merely a method of controlling the people, so we are flocked by expenses, mortgages, wedding costs.

agree with that, but keep in mind that according to yourself, theres another 50% that IS happy and committed
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on February 27, 2010, 03:23:39 pm
Marriage is by definition a union for life, but since 50% of couples divorce and many more wish to but can't, I think that marriage as a whole is a very poor social model, given the current social environment. It is merely a method of controlling the people, so we are flocked by expenses, mortgages, wedding costs.

That's in America, you've taken the worst example. We can't generalize for the whole world.
America is IN the world, it's not the world.

Okay, I'm quoting what I had replied elsewhere:

Marriage, as a union for life, offers much more. Actually, it's the only thing so far that offers everything: love, attachment, companionship, understanding, friendship, compassion, confidant, courage, satisfaction... Good or bad, you get everything in this union. Marriage deepens one's existence, it beautifies every facet of life, adds more to the journey and helps you get through it more smoothly... Man's biggest weakness is loneliness. Marriage gives you a partner for life, now it's up to you to maintain it. A wife and a husband are each others' best friends. They are each others' shadow, their soul mates. They live through joy, happiness, sadness, deception, hardships, etc. They are each others' courage when the going gets tough, they are each others' reasons, smiles, words, mistakes, achievements. They learn to forgive and share. They learn to forget their own defects and be the support of another. They're their together-forever. The relationship they share is equal to "more than this world and all that it contains"...

Yes, I do agree. It is a method of controlling people. Controlling people from becoming sexual beasts.

This modern style of marriage exhibits the most advantages for both the husband and the wife. Its mainly due to the flexibility offered. AND the absence of a lifetime commitment.

Advantages? That's advantageous?? Flexibility? Sorry, but that's merely an excuse to keep changing sexual partners without society pointing fingers at you. It's 'using' marriage.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 27, 2010, 04:02:23 pm

Yes, I do agree. It is a method of controlling people. Controlling people from becoming sexual beasts.


LOL!!! :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on February 27, 2010, 04:14:29 pm

Advantages? That's advantageous?? Flexibility? Sorry, but that's merely an excuse to keep changing sexual partners without society pointing fingers at you. It's 'using' marriage.

It is necessary to keep both men and women happy. A flexible life is a happy one, free from restrictions and all 'bonds'. A constrained life is a sad one. If its 'using' marriage, it IS using.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on March 02, 2010, 01:16:00 am
Using marriage as the backdoor of "prostitution" or, I would go to say, "rape".



Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: O.T.13. on March 02, 2010, 02:28:34 am
Promiscuity will enter whole new levels this way...
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on March 02, 2010, 03:34:13 am
@Alpha,

You must understand that marriage is not something 'HOLY' or special. Neither it is unholy. It is just a process like driving, cooking, dancing and whatever. Process for your benifit and happiness. It is never something as dirty as rape or prostitution. But it is not something special or sacred either. Just a mere process.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on March 02, 2010, 06:21:11 pm
If it's not "HOLY", then what is it? Marriage is social, legal, (okay) but it's also traditional and cultural. It evolved, okay, but it evolved from religion itself. From mere beliefs.

It's not just a piece of paper. Nor a mere process, I disagree. Some people who marry because it is 'normal' to do so really act baseless. Like eating without knowing what they eat.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on March 03, 2010, 02:38:15 pm
precisely alpha.

infact, for muslims, it is a must to marry, and the marrige has to be a good one, and accepted by parents, like all the important stuff.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on March 04, 2010, 05:17:43 pm
And it's also a must for these marriages to last for a lifetime.  :)
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on March 04, 2010, 05:54:02 pm
Debating about religion is forbidden but I must correct you guys that for muslims, a man can marry up to 4 wives if he has the financial ability to handle them all. Therefore, there is no question of any compulsory lifelong commitment. In other words, it recognises the need for the absence of any absurd lifelong commitment. This is, of course, very logical, according to my opinion and logic as I explained earlier. It is necessary to keep both men and women happy and for them, to lead a flexible and peaceful life.

Guys, remember that this is not a debate about religion. I just wrote this message to correct you.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on March 10, 2010, 04:26:13 pm
Correction as well…

Muslim men are allowed to marry four times, provided that their present wife/ wives do not object to it, and provided they have the capacity (financial and moral) to manage all the households indiscriminately. They are NOT supposed to break their commitments with the first wife only on the basis of a sudden hysterical urge to remarry. Besides, the prime reasons why polygyny was allowed were to help the desperate women in society (widows, poor, slaves…) and to maintain the lineage (in case the woman could not give birth).
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Saladin on March 11, 2010, 03:33:19 am
Correction,

The people in a relationship, should intend to make it last for a lifetime, but it is not a must.
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on March 11, 2010, 01:05:45 pm
Alpha, I guess I was wrong there...

Marriage should be a lifelong commitment after all, and both the husband and wife should respect this commitment....

ie. I lose this debate and change what I used to think. Goodbye everybody!
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: O.T.13. on March 11, 2010, 01:28:23 pm
Alpha, I guess I was wrong there...

Marriage should be a lifelong commitment after all, and both the husband and wife should respect this commitment....

ie. I lose this debate and change what I used to think. Goodbye everybody!

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Should marriage be a lifelong commitment?
Post by: Alpha on March 11, 2010, 01:59:35 pm
Dude, personal view again.

Goodbye, Borakk. As you wish.