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FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« on: November 02, 2009, 07:02:46 am »
In fig m1=4m2. Pulleys are smooth and the thread is light. At t=0 system is released from rest. Find the maximum height reached by m2

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2009, 07:22:26 am »
Will answer when i get home

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 07:24:06 am »

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2009, 08:18:17 am »
In fig m1=4m2. Pulleys are smooth and the thread is light. At t=0 system is released from rest. Find the maximum height reached by m2

since m1 has two strings attached it has half the acc
4mg-2T=2ma  (1) for m1
T-mg=ma    (2) for m2
(1)+2*(2)
2mg=4ma a=g/2
fpor m1 a=g/4=2.45 v^2=u^2+2as v2=0+2*9.8/4*0.2=0.98 v=sqrt(0.98)=0.99
The speed of m2 is twice the speed of m1 ie 1.98
after m1 stops m2 takes on acceleration -g v^2=u^2+2as s=(0-3.96)/2*9.8=0.2
height reached=0.4+0.2=0.6

« Last Edit: November 02, 2009, 08:51:25 am by astarmathsandphysics »

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2009, 08:35:03 am »
In fig m1=4m2. Pulleys are smooth and the thread is light. At t=0 system is released from rest. Find the maximum height reached by m2

since m1 has two strings attached it has half the acc
4mg-2T=2ma  (1) for m1
T-mg=ma    (2) for m2
(1)+2*(2)
2mg=4ma a=g/2
fpor m1 v^2=u^2+2as v2=0+2*9.8/2*0.2=1.96 v=sqrt(1.96)=1.4
after m1 stops m2 takes on acceleration -g v^2=u^2+2as s=(0-1.96)/2*9.8=0.1
height reached=0.2+0.1=0.3



answer is 6.6 cm ???

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2009, 08:52:04 am »
I looked at my post again. Did you mean 0.6m?

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2009, 08:54:09 am »
I looked at my post again. Did you mean 0.6m?

yup sorry...0.6 cm

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2009, 08:57:42 am »
I corrected my post.

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2009, 09:17:47 am »
thank you sir

I have some more comin :(

I'm bad at this.....i hate constraints >:(


Please help me in this one too
In the arrangement shown, the mass of the bar and wedge is same and wedge angle is 37 degrees. The  masses of the pulley and thread r negligible. Friction is absent. Find the acceleration of the wedge


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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2009, 09:52:38 am »
Will answer when i get home

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 12:57:35 pm »

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2009, 01:09:02 pm »
Resolving horizontally for the wedge

T+mgsin37-Tcos37=ma ma=mgsin37+T(1-cos37) (1)
resolving down the slope for the block
mgsin37-T=ma/cos37 so T=mgsin37-ma/cos37 sub into (1)
ma=mgsin37+(mgsin37-ma/cos37)(1-cos37)
then divide by m

 

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2009, 01:33:21 pm »
Resolving horizontally for the wedge

T+mgsin37-Tcos37=ma ma=mgsin37+T(1-cos37) (1)
resolving down the slope for the block
mgsin37-T=ma/cos37 so T=mgsin37-ma/cos37 sub into (1)
ma=mgsin37+(mgsin37-ma/cos37)(1-cos37)
then divide by m

 

I know this may kinda irritate you......but when I solve this...I get 5g/13... :-[........the answer is 13mg/18..damn!!!

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Re: FRICTION !!!!!!!! HELP!!!!
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2009, 01:45:48 pm »
could u draw a free body diagram please....I won't understand this otherwise

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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2009, 02:03:49 pm »
Resolving horizontally for the wedge

T+mgsin37-Tcos37=ma ma=mgsin37+T(1-cos37) (1)
resolving down the slope for the block
mgsin37-T=ma so T=mgsin37-ma sub into (1)
ma=mgsin37+(mgsin37-ma)(1-cos37)
ma+ma(1-cos37)=mgsin37+mg(1-cos37) so a=(mgsin37+mg(1-cos37) )/(m+m(1-cos37))