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Offline minicooper

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Israel- What's so evil?
« on: August 07, 2011, 12:18:37 pm »
I noticed that there was some hate-talk in this forum against Israel, and I think the lies should be exposed.

Israel is not an apartheid state. Everyone has equal rights under the Israeli constitution.

The Israeli army allows only minimum collateral damage during wars.

Israel endured eight years of rocket fire from Gaza before the Gaza-Israeli war was started.

Hamas uses human shields so that Israel is blamed for hitting civilians, or so that they don't hit. They store ammunition in houses. They shoot rockets from ambulances and schools. In the war, they would grab children and drag them across the road when they cross, so that the Israelis don't shoot.

When the Gaza flotilla disobeyed Israel's orders (although they were in Israel's waters), six Israeli soldiers were dumped on board armed with paintball guns. The 'peace' activists on board attacked them with iron bars and knives and threw one of them overboard.

One-point-three million Israeli Arab citizens live safely in Israel. With true peace, Jews should be able to safely live in Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia, Libya, Yemen, and the proposed Palestinian state

No Palestinian Arab state ever existed prior to the one currently being proposed by the United States, Israel, and other nations. Israel never 'stole' anyones land.

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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2011, 12:57:19 pm »
Quote from: minicooper on August 07, 2011, 12:18:37 pm
I noticed that there was some hate-talk in this forum against Israel, and I think the lies should be exposed.

Israel is not an apartheid state. Everyone has equal rights under the Israeli constitution.

The Israeli army allows only minimum collateral damage during wars.

Israel endured eight years of rocket fire from Gaza before the Gaza-Israeli war was started.

Hamas uses human shields so that Israel is blamed for hitting civilians, or so that they don't hit. They store ammunition in houses. They shoot rockets from ambulances and schools. In the war, they would grab children and drag them across the road when they cross, so that the Israelis don't shoot.

When the Gaza flotilla disobeyed Israel's orders (although they were in Israel's waters), six Israeli soldiers were dumped on board armed with paintball guns. The 'peace' activists on board attacked them with iron bars and knives and threw one of them overboard.

One-point-three million Israeli Arab citizens live safely in Israel. With true peace, Jews should be able to safely live in Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia, Libya, Yemen, and the proposed Palestinian state

No Palestinian Arab state ever existed prior to the one currently being proposed by the United States, Israel, and other nations. Israel never 'stole' anyones land.

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Israel is not an apartheid state. Everyone has equal rights under the Israeli constitution.

The Israeli army allows only minimum collateral damage during wars.

Israel endured eight years of rocket fire from Gaza before the Gaza-Israeli war was started.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=israeli+human+rights&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=israeli+terrorism&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vettorio+arrigoni+murder&aq=f



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Hamas uses human shields so that Israel is blamed for hitting civilians, or so that they don't hit. They store ammunition in houses. They shoot rockets from ambulances and schools. In the war, they would grab children and drag them across the road when they cross, so that the Israelis don't shoot.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=israel+shooting+children&aq=f

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When the Gaza flotilla disobeyed Israel's orders (although they were in Israel's waters), six Israeli soldiers were dumped on board armed with paintball guns. The 'peace' activists on board attacked them with iron bars and knives and threw one of them overboard.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=israel+flotilla+killed&aq=f

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One-point-three million Israeli Arab citizens live safely in Israel. With true peace, Jews should be able to safely live in Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia, Libya, Yemen, and the proposed Palestinian state

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=racism+in+israel&aq=f

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No Palestinian Arab state ever existed prior to the one currently being proposed by the United States, Israel, and other nations. Israel never 'stole' anyones land.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=israel+land+grabbing&aq=f
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Offline minicooper

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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2011, 01:08:30 pm »
Are you for or against?

Under 'terrorism' found many videos about the Fogel family murdered at the hands of Palestinians.

You can't expect every statement or video on YouTube to be true, by the way.

What's the point of posting YouTube links?

I've been to Israel, there is NO racism!
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2011, 01:09:33 pm »
I was about to quote what iluvme wrote, but she deleted her post.

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Israel never 'stole' anyones land.
are you sure?
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2011, 01:13:57 pm »
Quote from: minicooper on August 07, 2011, 01:08:30 pm
You can't expect every statement or video on YouTube to be true, by the way.

A debate cannot be based on brushing off facts/evidences presented. If you can prove the hundreds of videos I presented as false/fake, go ahead and do so. ;)

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Under 'terrorism' found many videos about the Fogel family murdered at the hands of Palestinians.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=terrorism&suggested_categories=25&page=1

I suggest you have a look at the results again.

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Are you for or against?

Self evident. ;D

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What's the point of posting YouTube links?

Debating? What else?

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I've been to Israel, there is NO racism!

So, you mean the hundreds of videos in here are all fake? You have been to every corner of Israel and have scanned every part of it?
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2011, 01:21:38 pm »
Quote from: $tyli$h Executive on August 07, 2011, 01:13:57 pm
A debate cannot be based on brushing off facts/evidences presented. If you can prove the hundreds of videos I presented as false/fake, go ahead and do so. ;)


I don't think I have to prove anything to you. A YouTube video is not evidence. I cannot prove they are false, you cannot prove they are true. I say they are probably made by people who hate Israel.

I have not been to every nook and cranny in Israel. There is no apartheid law in Israel. The Jews do not, as a rule, hate the Arabs. There is no seperation of Israeli citizens. They all have equal rights.
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2011, 01:37:36 pm »
Quote from: minicooper on August 07, 2011, 01:21:38 pm
I don't think I have to prove anything to you. A YouTube video is not evidence. I cannot prove they are false, you cannot prove they are true. I say they are probably made by people who hate Israel.

Again, brushing off facts and evidences by playing the "hate" card. Debating must be done with an open mind. Go ahead and watch some of the videos I presented, then prove that they are made by people simply "hating" israel.

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I have not been to every nook and cranny in Israel. There is no apartheid law in Israel. The Jews do not, as a rule, hate the Arabs. There is no seperation of Israeli citizens. They all have equal rights.

The above is an assertive statement without any facts/evidences presented. Your debating stance seems very poor and short-of conclusive/solid evidences/facts, I must say. ;)
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2011, 02:11:43 pm »
Is America an apartheid state? Is South Africa an apartheid state? Do you have to go to every nook and cranny in those countries in order to establish an answer?

Posting links to YouTube videos isn't debating either.

But if that's the way you roll:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=palestinian+terrorism&aq=0
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hamas&aq=0
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hamas+civilians&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkcOMsxMhBI&feature=related
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2011, 02:32:58 pm »
Quote from: minicooper on August 07, 2011, 02:11:43 pm
Is America an apartheid state? Is South Africa an apartheid state? Do you have to go to every nook and cranny in those countries in order to establish an answer?

If that was meant as an analogy, you're ignoring not one or two video evidences, but hundreds and thousands of videos about Israeli terrorism I linked.

Anyway, that is not the subject of this debate. This debate is about Israel, not America or South Africa.

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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=palestinian+terrorism&aq=0
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hamas&aq=0
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hamas+civilians&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkcOMsxMhBI&feature=related

Ah, Hamas, the Palestinian resistance. You want Israeli chicken-head troops to kill more children and innocents without any resistance at all?

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Posting links to YouTube videos isn't debating either.

Those links were meant to prove a point, which you'd have understood by now if you'd applied an open mind. ;)

Anyway, you ignored those videos and did nothing to prove your point other than some assertions here and there.
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2011, 03:19:06 pm »
Great one, SE.  ;D
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2011, 07:02:34 pm »
The point about America and South Africa is that it is easy to see whether a country is racist/apartheid or not. And Israel is obviously not. There is no llaw-enforced segregation of people or discrimination.
 
Hamas is not a defense force. It is a terrorist organisation.

There are thousands of clips on that topic too, if you were interested.

Anyway, I watched a few of those videos you linked to, and it was highly unconvincing. People talking. No video footage of anything but kids dropping stones over a wall into a yard. If that's terrorism... I wonder if all the thousands of videos are like that?

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Israeli chicken-head troops

You keep telling me I ought to have an open mind. You assume that you do?
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2011, 07:12:10 pm »
Quote from: minicooper on August 07, 2011, 07:02:34 pm
The point about America and South Africa is that it is easy to see whether a country is racist/apartheid or not. And Israel is obviously not. There is no llaw-enforced segregation of people or discrimination.

Another assertion without any evidence, with phrases like "obviously not". Again, I've already presented many videos under "racism in israel", many of which are based on extensive polls and surveys, which invalidates your above assertion.

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Hamas is not a defense force. It is a terrorist organisation.

For the 4rd time, assertions are not a good debate tactic and holds no value whatsoever.

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You keep telling me I ought to have an open mind. You assume that you do?

lol, don't cry if you don't understand this very simple analogy. Ever thought why I called them chicken head? They kill innocent children, with as much bravado as chickens. ;)
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2011, 11:23:00 pm »
Israel not an apartheid state - why is it then that israeli Arab children have half the funding of Jewish children? Israel has to learn humility else one day the death toll will start to even out.
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2011, 07:39:13 am »
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based on extensive polls and surveys

Assertion.

They are not. Of those I watched, they were based on verbal accounts. The kind of thing you would expect if there were no evidence.

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They kill innocent children

Assertion.

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israeli Arab children have half the funding of Jewish children

Assertion

I've presented videos (thousands, please note) about hamas's terrorism, about hamas using children as human shields. Did that escape your notice?
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Re: Israel- What's so evil?
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2011, 08:00:58 am »
I have a question minicooper. =]

Explain me the meaning of killing please ?

Israeli soldiers killed and hamas people killed. Why is Hamas's act of killing taken as terrorism and not Israel?

If I'm going to use the word 'Terrorism' for every act of killing, then I assume Israel would win the TOP 1 of being the country of terrorism. =]

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