Abortion, Is it the right thing?

[Alpha]

My Mum went to bath.   Am waiting.

It is easier to destroy than create.

Now, that is philosophy.  

It does, I will agree, fail at times. No, rap* is a social iniquity - something that affects the community. I dont see how allowing abortion will make it easier for any person to become rap* victim. Are you suggesting people will welcome being rap*d, knowing they can simply abort the child later ?

Rap* affects the community. But BEFORE it goes out to society, it remains with the victim and the offender. How many people you think reveal they have been rap*d?
Yes, I'm referring to using abortion as a contraception after penetration. You can't legalize it for a minority, if it's legal, it will be for everyone. You can't stop people from making an abuse of legally accessible assets.

Kissing and holding hands dont cause lasting emotional trauma, physical pain and a child. These things remain with you forever.

In bold, before it DID. It's only now that we take these things lightly. Before, the mindset was completely different.

I cant comment on the matter, the child was lucky. She knows very well she could have died.

She knew for sure her second option was the certain death of the child.

At a few days after conception a 'child' is simply a ball of cells. No brain, no heart, no nerves - nothing. No pain can be felt, no loss incurred.

I heard that often. Temme, if something has no life, then what are we terminating by having recourse to abortion?

[Alpha]

Yes they kept having kids because they had premature babies that would die most of the times.

Ah no... The women you're talking about having premature frail kids didn't have good sanitary conditions, and proper nutrition, some people were extremely poor in those times.
But others did it... They did prove it's possible, and you can live it through.

I know of girls who were rap*d and have made a good life. You don't lose out life when you're rap*d. You don't remain bound to pain and raise a child you think is a burden. You won't feel good about it, nor will the child.

How can you be sure what will affect the child more? Being rejected of careless people, or being deprived of life?
A child is a burden? Why is the child a 'burden'? That's very selfish indeed. Because victims of rape emerge frustrated, they have to look for an easy prey to remove their frustration and anger on?
The child is the easiest prey, isn't it?

Where are we going? What are we making of this world? Instead of 'aborting' the criminals, the rapists, if possible crime out of our societies, we have to have recourse to camouflaged infanticide to keep the streets 'clean'?

[elemis]

I heard that often. Temme, if something has no life, then what are we terminating by having recourse to abortion?

I/we would be destroying what has the potential to have life, but doesnt yet possess it.

Like I said, all you lose is a ball of matter. A cynical way of looking at it, but it is realistic.

I'll comment on the rest later. Ta ta.

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[elemis]

Now, that is philosophy.  

No, that is fact.

Rap* affects the community. But BEFORE it goes out to society, it remains with the victim and the offender. How many people you think reveal they have been rap*d?

I agree to an extent. However, who is eventually paying the cost of conducting a police investigation, assigning a psychiatrist to the victim, setting up a trial etc ? The taxpayer i.e. you and me. When a victim DOESNT report the felony the cost is even larger since the felon will still roam the streets attacking innocent people.

Hence, no matter what; society still bears a negative externality.

Yes, I'm referring to using abortion as a contraception after penetration. You can't legalize it for a minority, if it's legal, it will be for everyone. You can't stop people from making an abuse of legally accessible assets.

Although, people will always try and get illegal abortions, countries have enforced laws where abortion is only available to rape victims after review i.e. only a minority have access.

In bold, before it DID. It's only now that we take these things lightly. Before, the mindset was completely different.

I dont know what country you speak of, but any logical person can see there is a huge gap between the damage cause by kissing a woman and raping her. So you have no argument to speak of.

She knew for sure her second option was the certain death of the child.

What makes you so sure the parents didnt force the choice upon the child ?

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[elemis]

Ah no... The women you're talking about having premature frail kids didn't have good sanitary conditions, and proper nutrition, some people were extremely poor in those times.
But others did it... They did prove it's possible, and you can live it through.

It is possible. I just read of a girl in the USSR who gave birth to a dead baby way way back in the day. Did I mention her vagina was nearly ripped apart because of the stress during pregnancy ?

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You can do cesarean operation if the baby is not in the right place xp

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[Alpha]

I/we would be destroying what has the potential to have life, but doesnt yet possess it.

Like I said, all you lose is a ball of matter. A cynical way of looking at it, but it is realistic.

I'll comment on the rest later. Ta ta.

Potential to have life, but does not yet possess it. Then, what are we ending? If it’s the potential to have life, then, it’s life, isn’t it?
Realistic? And abortion, is it realistic? The heart of the “ball of matter” starts to beat as from the 21st day after contraception, while before two weeks, it’s near to impossible for a woman to find out she is pregnant. She will ultimately be killing a child, not a “ball of matter”.

If aborting a child who is considered a ‘burden’, an ‘impediment’ to the victim’s life is a decision that should be accepted by the law, then selecting the gender of the unborn child should also be permitted, if having a child of particular sex (esp. a female) is considered to be a burden on the family. Is it right, moral, justifiable, to murder a child just because he is not of the sex one had desired? Because he’s a child one does not desire? If abortion is made legal, how can the law prevent people from using this right in conformity, to their own will?

Anyway, do you think it will be easy to legalize abortion when there are so many people who find it immoral, and sinful? Even the doctors are bound by the Hippocratic Oath (“I must not play at God”). How can they let a hypocrite government just impose a law in favour of a minority in a world where fundamental human rights of life (every human being has the inherent right to life) , freedom, choice and opinion are ensured for one and all, and that is becoming more and more democratic? People will drop in the streets, and contest and rally and boycott a law that does NOT form part of their moral code.

Going for abortion is certainly the worst option one might choose. If women are raped, they can use contraceptive pills and prevent conception. Why should they wait for the fetus to be formed? Abortion will not encourage physicists to find better ways of dealing with the problems we have. There will be no pressure on heads of state, on human organizations, on helpers.  

It will only make the world blind and crazy.

[iluvme]

Read this on steadyhealth:

Many people don't realize that abortion is actually very dangerous procedure. While techniques are improving, there is still a high probability of negative physical side-effects. Also there are almost certain negative psychological side-effects. Abortion is an unnatural process that interrupts one of the primary functions of women’s body. A woman's body naturally resists the abortion, which causes physical and emotional problems. One of the most disturbing things about this is that many women aren't informed about these side-effects. 87% hospitalized women were ones with complications with legal abortion, and 91% had treated patients with complications from legal abortions. There are several doctors who reported patients dying from legally induced abortions. Either abortion is induced or spontaneous it independently and significantly increased the risk of subsequent development of the secondary infertility. There are really a lot of side effects, and if you will keep your baby or decide to this step depends on you.

[Alpha]

No, that is fact.

Objection. In the case of childbirth, it is easier to create than destroy.

I agree to an extent. However, who is eventually paying the cost of conducting a police investigation, assigning a psychiatrist to the victim, setting up a trial etc ? The taxpayer i.e. you and me. When a victim DOESNT report the felony the cost is even larger since the felon will still roam the streets attacking innocent people.

Hence, no matter what; society still bears a negative externality.

Who will pay for the victim's honour and peace of life?
Everything bears a -ve externality.

Although, people will always try and get illegal abortions, countries have enforced laws where abortion is only available to rap* victims after review i.e. only a minority have access.

Only a minority have legal access.*
What happens under the table, you don't know. If this minority is checked thoroughly before being allowed this right, you don't know.

I dont know what country you speak of, but any logical person can see there is a huge gap between the damage cause by kissing a woman and raping her. So you have no argument to speak of.

Boy, you live in the 21st century. You won't find logic in it. Just like the people after you will not find logic in certain things we used to find logical, at a specific period of time.

What makes you so sure the parents didnt force the choice upon the child ?

Seriously, you want me to go and ask her now?  

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Lionesssss weirdo    

You can do cesarean operation if the baby is not in the right place xp

You could make more productive arguments. 

[elemis]

You talk of freedom of rights and freedom to life, right ? What gives you the justification the 'ability' so to speak to pressure a woman into having a child she doesnt want ?

If we can force women to have unwanted pregnancies what stops you from sterilising women ? You and I have no control over another persons ability to reproduce. That is a social right.

You say why not use contraception aka the morning after pill ? Well, wake up, statistics show most women go into shock after a rape and few have the presence of mind to take any such pills ! In addition not every woman lives in a developed country like the UK/USA where they have access to such contraceptive commodities.

Teenagers who become pregnant are more likely to drop out of school, get divorced and rely on MY MONEY via public benefits for an act that WASNT my fault.

By outlawing abortions wont that lead to an increase in ILLEGAL abortions ? I dont want to walk down the street and find a foetus in the gutter ! Neither do I want to read about women dropping dead because of botched abortions.