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Title: Another question - HELP!
Post by: hasan919 on May 15, 2011, 10:00:58 am
http://www.xtremepapers.me/CIE/Cambridge%20IGCSE/0580%20-%20Mathematics/0580_w05_qp_4.pdf

PG 6 - number 7) c) ii)... anyone can help me wid diz one? Thank You.
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 10:17:39 am
There is a formula for that which is...

Flow of water(volume) = Cross sectional area x speed x time
as we are required to find the time thus the formula changes into:

Flow of water (volume)/Cross sectional area x speed = time

now use the formula to find answer i will post it after i do the whole question :)
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: Most UniQue™ on May 15, 2011, 10:23:03 am
There is a formula for that which is...

Flow of water(volume) = Cross sectional area x speed x time
as we are required to find the time thus the formula changes into:

Flow of water (volume)/Cross sectional area x speed = time

now use the formula to find answer i will post it after i do the whole question :)

By cross sectional area u mean the area of the of the circle(whole pipe) or the semi circle(half pipe)?
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 10:36:18 am
By cross sectional area u mean the area of the of the circle(whole pipe) or the semi circle(half pipe)?
Yes.. :)
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: Most UniQue™ on May 15, 2011, 10:47:49 am
Yes.. :)

I'm asking u mean whole circle or semi?
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 10:52:34 am
I'm asking u mean whole circle or semi?
Yea, i told you its a formula.. that is

Flow of water(volume of whole water) = Cross sectional (volume of the pipe) x Speed x time

can you solve the answer.. i am unable too. in Mark scheme they aren't using the speed in calculation :-\
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: Most UniQue™ on May 15, 2011, 11:11:09 am
Yea, i told you its a formula.. that is

Flow of water(volume of whole water) = Cross sectional (volume of the pipe) x Speed x time

can you solve the answer.. i am unable too. in Mark scheme they aren't using the speed in calculation :-\

No I'm doing m/j 2010 atm
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 11:15:51 am
No I'm doing m/j 2010 atm
ok.. do it later :)
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: hasan919 on May 15, 2011, 11:23:24 am
i keep gettin 436 =/ diz is so confusin =[
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 11:32:38 am
i keep gettin 436 =/ diz is so confusin =[
I do  = 1512m3/ .00687m3 x .14m/s = 157205/ (60 x 60 x24) = 18.195 :(

according to mark scheme they do:
 1512m3/6870cm3 = 0.220087 x 1000000 = 220087/ (60 x 60 x 24)

i don't know why they at beginning divide a m3 with cm <-- impossible
then don't know why they multiply with 1000000 -.-
 
:-\
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: NotAbod on May 15, 2011, 11:34:46 am
I do  = 1512m3/ .00687m3 x .14m/s = 157205/ (60 x 60 x24) = 18.195 :(

according to mark scheme they do:
 1512m3/6870cm3 = 0.220087 x 1000000 = 220087/ (60 x 60 x 24)

i don't know why they at beginning divide a m3 with cm <-- impossible
then don't know why they multiply with 1000000 -.-
 
:-\
i will explain this part
they divided m3 by cm3, and he multiplied by 100^3 which is 1000000, to conver that m^3 to cm^3
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: NotAbod on May 15, 2011, 11:36:04 am
(1512*100^3) / 6870.
muliplied by 100^3 to convert m^3 to cm^3.
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 11:37:44 am
(1512*100^3) / 6870.
muliplied by 100^3 to convert m^3 to cm^3.
where will speed go?
why not included? :-\

isn't the formula
"low of water(volume) = Cross sectional area x speed x time "
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: NotAbod on May 15, 2011, 11:38:52 am
where will speed go?
why not included? :-\

isn't the formula
"low of water(volume) = Cross sectional area x speed x time "

i just explained, why did they multiply by 1000000

5mins lemme solve it
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 11:46:08 am
i just explained, why did they multiply by 1000000

5mins lemme solve it
Take your time,
If you have doubt search the formula over net ;)
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: NotAbod on May 15, 2011, 11:46:47 am
Take your time,
If you have doubt search the formula over net ;)
thanks :P
okay :P
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: Ghost Of Highbury on May 15, 2011, 12:45:05 pm
Volume of the pool = 1512m^3

1m^3 = 1000000cm^3
1512m^3 = 1512000000cm^3

The pipe transfers pi*12.5^2*14 = 6872cm^3/s

can be written as

6872cm^3 -> 1s
1512000000cm^3 (the whole pool to be transferred) -> ?

1512000000/6872 = 220023.3s

= 220023.3/60 = 3367minutes = 56.11 hours ~ 2.34 days
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: NotAbod on May 15, 2011, 12:51:37 pm
220023.3/60 = 3367minutes ?
i get 3667m
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 12:57:11 pm
Volume of the pool = 1512m^3

1m^3 = 1000000cm^3
1512m^3 = 1512000000cm^3

The pipe transfers pi*12.5^2*14 = 6872cm^3/s

can be written as

6872cm^3 -> 1s
1512000000cm^3 (the whole pool to be transferred) -> ?

1512000000/6872 = 220023.3s

= 220023.3/60 = 3367minutes = 56.11 hours ~ 2.34 days

By the way, Can you just help me by telling why aren't we using the speed value here when the formula is
"Flow of water(volume of whole water) = Cross sectional (volume of the pipe) x Speed x time "
thanks
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: NotAbod on May 15, 2011, 01:05:56 pm
ok here is the answer:
rate of flow per second = pi*12.5^2 * 14 = 6872 cm^3
time in seconds = (1512*100^3) / 6872 = 220023 seconds.
220023/ (3600*24) = 2.54 days.
0,54 * 24 = 13 hours
answer is 2days 13 hours.
same as ghost calcs :)
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 01:08:13 pm
ok here is the answer:
rate of flow per second = pi*12.5^2 * 14 = 6872 cm^3
time in seconds = (1512*100^3) / 6872 = 220023 seconds.
220023/ (3600*24) = 2.54 days.
0,54 * 24 = 13 hours
answer is 2days 13 hours.
same as ghost calcs :)
Just someone plz explain me why is everyone excluding the speed value -_____________-

Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: NotAbod on May 15, 2011, 01:09:48 pm
Just someone plz explain me why is everyone excluding the speed value -_____________-


i used speed.
Rate of flow per second = pipe cross section area * speed
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 01:30:20 pm
i used speed.
Rate of flow per second = pipe cross section area * speed
you used length not speed,
volume requires length!
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: NotAbod on May 15, 2011, 01:34:22 pm
you used length not speed,
volume requires length!
reread the question
cylinder hight is 14
speed is also 14.
i use the speed to find flow per second
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: hasan919 on May 15, 2011, 01:42:14 pm
Ahhh, thanks alot guys. i get it ;]
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: SauD~ on May 15, 2011, 01:45:30 pm
reread the question
cylinder hight is 14
speed is also 14.
i use the speed to find flow per second
and if the question included values like:
8 height and speed is 16
so will we use value of speed as 2?
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: NotAbod on May 15, 2011, 01:47:09 pm
and if the question included values like:
8 height and speed is 16
so will we use value of speed as 2?

Rate of flow = cross section area x speed.
use 16
Title: Re: Another question - HELP!
Post by: Ghost Of Highbury on May 16, 2011, 07:43:15 am
220023.3/60 = 3367minutes ?
i get 3667m
My bad, typo.