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Title: Differentiation Question
Post by: Chingoo on December 27, 2010, 02:19:21 pm
Given that y = (1-sinx)/cosx, show that dy/dx = 1/(1+sinx).

It seems simple but idk why I'm not getting the answer =/
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Dibss on December 27, 2010, 09:33:31 pm
Let S be sinx & C be cosx.
Use the y=u/v => dy/dx = [Udv/dx - Vdu/dx]/V2
Therefore
dy/dx = [(1-S)(-S) - C(0-C)]/C2

[-S + S2 + C2]/C2

Using identity: C2=1-S2

[-S + S2 + 1 - S2]/(1-S2)

(-S+1)/(1-S2))

Use identity: a^2 - b^2 = (a+b) (a-b)

(1-S)/(1+S)(1-S)

Finally dy/dx = 1/(1+sinx)

(:
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Arthur Bon Zavi on December 28, 2010, 04:08:37 am
Let S be sinx & C be cosx.
Use the y=u/v => dy/dx = [Udv/dx - Vdu/dx]/V2
Therefore
dy/dx = [(1-S)(-S) - C(0-C)]/C2

[-S + S2 + C2]/C2

Using identity: C2=1-S2

[-S + S2 + 1 - S2]/(1-S2)

(-S+1)/(1-S2))

Use identity: a^2 - b^2 = (a+b) (a-b)

(1-S)/(1+S)(1-S)

Finally dy/dx = 1/(1+sinx)

(:

 + rep. ;)
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Dibss on December 28, 2010, 10:25:57 am
Thanks. (:
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Chingoo on December 28, 2010, 03:40:31 pm
Thanks, but now I'm confused. Isn't the quotient rule for differentiation
y=u/v => dy/dx = [v.du/dx - u.dv/dx]/v^2
Granted you managed to get the answer, but I'm pretty sure that's the quotient rule.
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Dibss on December 28, 2010, 07:04:00 pm
Sorry, I haven't used the rule for months now - rusty. :S
My bad. So you probably got the answer after using the correct rule right?
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Dibss on December 29, 2010, 09:36:12 am
&& you get the correct answer using the product rule

y=(1-S)(C-1)

dy/dx = (1-S)(S/C2)+(C-1)(0-C)
=S(1-S))/(1-S2) + 1/C (-C)
=S(1-S)/(1+S)(1-S)  - 1
=(S + 1 - S)/(1+S)
=1/(1+S)
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Chingoo on December 29, 2010, 07:24:07 pm
Thanks a lot! =D +rep
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Dibss on December 29, 2010, 07:26:27 pm
No problemm. (:
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Tohru Kyo Sohma on December 31, 2010, 04:41:45 pm
i kind of find maths AS very hard....especially differentiation.....i have a doubt here:
find the coordinates of the point on the curve y=2x^2 -x-1, where the tangent is parallel to the line; y=3x-2?
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Dibss on December 31, 2010, 06:59:27 pm
Practice and you'll get used to it eventually. (:

gradient of line y=3x-2 is 3 b/c in y=mx+c form m is the gradient.
So now we have to find the point on the curve where gradient is 3.
dy/dx= 4x-1
tangent to curve parallel where 4x-1=3
4x=4
x=1
at x=1, y=2-1-1=0
therefore coordinates should be (1,0)
(:
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Arthur Bon Zavi on January 01, 2011, 08:00:18 am
Differentiation is easy and Integration is easier.
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Tohru Kyo Sohma on January 01, 2011, 11:38:44 am
Practice and you'll get used to it eventually. (:

gradient of line y=3x-2 is 3 b/c in y=mx+c form m is the gradient.
So now we have to find the point on the curve where gradient is 3.
dy/dx= 4x-1
tangent to curve parallel where 4x-1=3
4x=4
x=1
at x=1, y=2-1-1=0
therefore coordinates should be (1,0)
(:
thank you so much wispher
i got it now...........;)
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Tohru Kyo Sohma on January 01, 2011, 01:00:32 pm
i have a doubt here;
The production cost per kilogram C(in thousand pounds) when x kilogram of a chemical are made, is given by;
C= 3x+100/x , x>0. find the value for x for which the cost is minimum and the minimum cost??
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: elemis on January 01, 2011, 01:02:31 pm
Differentiate the equation. Set dy/dx = 0 and solve for x.

Determine if the stationary point is a minimum or maximum. Select the minimum point and plug it into the original equation.

This is the minimum cost.
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Tohru Kyo Sohma on January 01, 2011, 02:44:58 pm
Differentiate the equation. Set dy/dx = 0 and solve for x.

Determine if the stationary point is a minimum or maximum. Select the minimum point and plug it into the original equation.

This is the minimum cost.
sorry ari if ur getting fedup of me asking so much questions........but i got the answer.......thanks alot!! ;D
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Dibss on January 01, 2011, 02:56:24 pm
thank you so much wispher
i got it now........... ;)

Glad to help. (:
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: elemis on January 01, 2011, 04:08:53 pm
sorry ari if ur getting fedup of me asking so much questions........but i got the answer.......thanks alot!! ;D

No, I'm not fedup.

Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Tohru Kyo Sohma on January 01, 2011, 04:59:18 pm
No, I'm not fedup.


cool
 8)
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Tohru Kyo Sohma on January 01, 2011, 06:08:27 pm
ok......so i hv yet another doubt;
a rectangle box with a lid is made from thin metal. its length is 2x cm and its width is x cm. if the box volume is 72 cm^3
a. show that the area of the metal used is equal to 4x^2 +216/x.
b. find the value of x so that the area A is minimum?
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Vin on January 01, 2011, 07:48:15 pm
l = 2x cm
w = x cm
V = 72 cm3

V = l * b * h
71 = 2x * x * h
h = 72/ 2x2

Area = 2 ( lb + lh + bh)
= 2 ( 2x * 72/ 2x2 + x * 72/ 2x2 + 2x * x )
= 2 ( 72/x + 36/x + 2x2 )
= 2 ( 108/x + 2x3 )
= 216/x + 4x2
or
4x2 + 216/x
Hence, proved.

Identify the domain.
4x2 >= 0
x>= 0
however, 1/x > 0 and not = 0
so domain is x belongs to positive integers.

dA/dx = 8x - 216/x2
substitute this as 0
you get x = 3
check whether it is the point of minimum.

Yes, it is, so x = 3 is the value where A is minimum.
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Tohru Kyo Sohma on January 03, 2011, 03:29:36 pm
l = 2x cm
w = x cm
V = 72 cm3

V = l * b * h
71 = 2x * x * h
h = 72/ 2x2

Area = 2 ( lb + lh + bh)
= 2 ( 2x * 72/ 2x2 + x * 72/ 2x2 + 2x * x )
= 2 ( 72/x + 36/x + 2x2 )
= 2 ( 108/x + 2x3 )
= 216/x + 4x2
or
4x2 + 216/x
Hence, proved.

Identify the domain.
4x2 >= 0
x>= 0
however, 1/x > 0 and not = 0
so domain is x belongs to positive integers.

dA/dx = 8x - 216/x2
substitute this as 0
you get x = 3
check whether it is the point of minimum.

Yes, it is, so x = 3 is the value where A is minimum.
thanks vin.... :D
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Dibss on January 03, 2011, 03:38:52 pm
l = 2x cm
w = x cm
V = 72 cm3
-
Yes, it is, so x = 3 is the value where A is minimum.

+Rep (:
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: elemis on January 04, 2011, 07:05:46 am
ok......so i hv yet another doubt;
a rectangle box with a lid is made from thin metal. its length is 2x cm and its width is x cm. if the box volume is 72 cm^3
a. show that the area of the metal used is equal to 4x^2 +216/x.
b. find the value of x so that the area A is minimum?

Essentially all of these questions follow the same general idea :

Differentiate equation

Set equal to zero

Solve to find max and min points

Use max and min points in original equation depending on what the question requires.
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Tohru Kyo Sohma on January 05, 2011, 04:01:19 pm
Essentially all of these questions follow the same general idea :

Differentiate equation

Set equal to zero

Solve to find max and min points

Use max and min points in original equation depending on what the question requires.
thanks ari
+rep
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: Tohru Kyo Sohma on January 06, 2011, 01:37:25 pm
a new make of personel organizer costs $100 each to manufacture and market. market research indicates that the number, N thousand, of organizers that will be sold in the first year is given by; N=-1S+150, where $S is the selling price. the numbers which wll be sold at two particular selling prices are as given below
S                   N
120                30
140                10

a. express the profit per organizer in terms of S and hence show that the total profit in the first year is $T thousands, where T=-15000+250 S-S^2
b. find the selling price, which will produce the maximum possible total profit in the first year and find this total profit( you should show that this profit is maximum and not minimum)?
Title: Re: Differentiation Question
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on January 19, 2011, 10:21:55 pm
here