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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: iluvme on September 18, 2010, 05:43:30 pm
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My very first post in this thread :)
Post your views please.
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this depends on situation
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Depends. Abortion because you didn't take precautions, Not fair.
If the kid has problems, then maybe.
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If u cant finance then it may be
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Personally, I feel that Abortions, should NOT be legalized in any country! Its more like murder which I believe, is unethical.
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Muder r aftr birth but abortion is before birth
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If u cant finance then it may be
What do you mean?
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Muder r aftr birth but abortion is before birth
Really? I used to believe that taking away a life IS murder. May it be before or after birth, there is LIFE!
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This topic is totaly perosnal
this may hurt some one
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Personally, I feel that Abortions, should NOT be legalized in any country! Its more like murder which I believe, is unethical.
How would you like your child to be? Healthy, have a good life, happy life? Some children are born with defects and if these are detected before birth, and if the mother thinks it is not something she can handle, then she has the right to decide the fate of her child. A mother will think 10 times before she makes such a decision.
If a 13/14 year old girl is pregnant, she should get the child aborted, because she is not ready to bear a child and she cannot look after it.
Just because you made a mistake, you don't abort the child. That is wrong
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u r right
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Certainly not!
why to kill someone cause of any possible situation, there's someone livin, breathing n nobody has the right to abort it.
If the kid is declared abnormal or has any kinda problems, this is no solution, because u are no one to give or take life, leave things to Lord, if thats is how it's destined for him/her will happen so...
n forget not, miracles do happen =]
n about the other side, if the baby is biological, u still dont have to kill it, cz of ur own mistakes and strayness and fear of embarrasement and this-respect, the kid must not be the one to suffer, the person givin birth must suffer for the doings. That's more of a very bad punishment.
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How would you like your child to be? Healthy, have a good life, happy life? Some children are born with defects and if these are detected before birth, and if the mother thinks it is not something she can handle, then she has the right to decide the fate of her child. A mother will think 10 times before she makes such a decision.
True, a mother does take all these into consideration, BUT don't you think that child who, if given a chance to live, turns out to be a person who, turns out to be the Newton of the century,?
If a 13/14 year old girl is pregnant, she should get the child aborted, because she is not ready to bear a child and she cannot look after it.
A 13/14 girl gets pregnant, who asked her to get laid off? Doesn't she have any morals?
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True, a mother does take all these into consideration, BUT don't you think that child who, if given a chance to live, turns out to be a person who, turns out to be the Newton of the century,?
A 13/14 girl gets pregnant, who asked her to get laid off? Doesn't she have any morals?
i agree to each bit. ^ ^
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True, a mother does take all these into consideration, BUT don't you think that child who, if given a chance to live, turns out to be a person who, turns out to be the Newton of the century,?
A 13/14 girl gets pregnant, who asked her to get laid off? Doesn't she have any morals?
Ahh...It's difficult for such kids to live long in the first place. Secondly, they are not always accepted by people. A mother cannot see her child feel like an outcast. I know of cases. It's not easy for the child, neither for the parents.
Kids nowadays are stupid.
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i agree to each bit. ^ ^
Glad :)
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I believe that Abortion should NEVER be legalized cuz it's like KILLING SOMEONE cuz for goodness sake a baby is a HUMAN !!!
If a careless person got pregnant and couldn't take care of the child due to financial problems or Maybe the Lady is NOT mentally ready to be a Mother ...etc then i feel the BEST solution out there is to make other couples (who Are Almost dying to have a child) Adopt HER Child Rather than KILLING him .
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I believe that Abortion should NEVER be legalized cuz it's like KILLING SOMEONE cuz for goodness sake a baby is a HUMAN !!!
If a careless person got pregnant and couldn't take care of the child due to financial problems or Maybe the Lady is NOT mentally ready to be a Mother ...etc then i feel the BEST solution out there is to make other couples (who Are Almost dying to have a child) Adopt HER Child Rather than KILLING him .
Do you know how unhealthy and unsafe it is for teenagers and the child? Pregnancy is not for kids.
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Jamie Lynn Spears must die. >:D >:D >:D
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Why is topic in middle of teenagers...it should be when u r married after that..
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Why is topic in middle of teenagers...it should be when u r married after that..
i agree with u
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Why do you say so? Most abortions happen due to teenage pregnancy.
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i agree with u
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Taking away the right of choice of life of someone who has not yet seen light... because he is the product of a 'mistake'?
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I wish to add a new dimension to this debate.
What if unfortunately a woman is raped and hence conceives a child, do you not consider it fair that the mother have the right to terminate the pregnancy ? Would you consider it correct that the mother be forced to give birth to a child who would forever be a reminder of that unfortunate event ?
I have no personal opinion on this issue so dont attack me. I myself am confused with regards to this.
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I wish to add a new dimension to this debate.
What if unfortunately a woman is rap*d and hence conceives a child, do you not consider it fair that the mother have the right to terminate the pregnancy ? Would you consider it correct that the mother be forced to give birth to a child who would forever be a reminder of that unfortunate event ?
I have no personal opinion on this issue so dont attack me. I myself am confused with regards to this.
Why is abortion the first option and adoption, a spare part?
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Why is abortion the first option and adoption, a spare part?
Some mothers done even believe they should have to go through the turmoil of pregnancy especially for a child they dont consider their own.
In addition, pregnancy may result in death due to complications. We all know that.
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Some mothers done even believe they should have to go through the turmoil of pregnancy especially for a child they dont consider their own.
And the same mothers think they are right to kill a child 'they do not consider their own'?
In addition, pregnancy may result in death due to complications. We all know that.
That's an exception, not the rule.
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And the same mothers think they are right to kill a child 'they do not consider their own'?
That's an exception, not the rule.
If you, Godforbid, were raped tomorrow, would you be willing to go through 9 months of hell for a child that isnt your own ?
Would you then go through childbirth (with the VERY REAL chance of complications) which starts with labour pains HOURS AND HOURS in advance ?
Dont be philosophical and comment by saying that life is precious and stuff, in the real world sh*t like this happens to people.
A 13 year old girl in London was raped a week ago. If she conceives (according to you) she must give birth ??!!!
What if that girl was your daughter ?
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Not to mention that girl could die in childbirth.
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If you, Godforbid, were rap*d tomorrow, would you be willing to go through 9 months of hell for a child that isnt your own ?
For sure, I'd go straight for suicide having a murder burdening my conscience.
Would you then go through childbirth (with the VERY REAL chance of complications) which starts with labour pains HOURS AND HOURS in advance ?
Not to mention that girl could die in childbirth.
If there is a choice between LIFE and LIFE, fine with an exception. But abortion isn't something to joke with. ONCE it's proven right, you will find a tsunami of people abusing of it to correct their 'mistakes'.
Dont be philosophical and comment by saying that life is precious and stuff, in the real world sh*t like this happens to people.
(Oye, why do you all people always relate me to philosophy? :P >:()
Without exaggerating... some 50 years ago, it was considered a "sh*t" for a man to hold a woman's hand, then she should have cut it off in case she was made a victim?
It was a "sh*t" to kiss her. Then, throw acid on her face, because it's infected? Because it's no longer hers?
Be practical and think for the long term. Don't succumb now and have recourse to abortion. We're in an ever-moving world; there are many more "sh*ts" to come.
A 13 year old girl in London was rap*d a week ago. If she conceives (according to you) she must give birth ??!!!
If she will come out alive...
What if that girl was your daughter ?
What if? And that aborted child, is nobody's??
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P. S. nobody= no one.
This guy. :P
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For sure, I'd go straight for suicide having a murder burdening my conscience.
Few people are as strong hearted as you.
If there is a choice between LIFE and LIFE, fine with an exception. But abortion isn't something to joke with. ONCE it's proven right, you will find a tsunami of people abusing of it to correct their 'mistakes'.
That's why we have the law and legislation. Legislation in some countries exists where abortion is prohibited EXCEPT in special circumstances - for example when a woman is raped.
(Oye, why do you all people always relate me to philosophy? :P >:()
Without exaggerating... some 50 years ago, it was considered a "sh*t" for a man to hold a woman's hand, then she should have cut it off in case she was made a victim?
It was a "sh*t" to kiss her. Then, throw acid on her face, because it's infected? Because it's no longer hers?
That's irrelevant. You dont kiss and tell ;)
Be practical and think for the long term. Don't succumb now and have recourse to abortion. We're in an ever-moving world; there are many more "sh*ts" to come.
I am not succumbing to the times, I am stating a fact. A 13 year old rape victim shouldnt be forced to go through the pain of childbirth.
If she will come out alive...
What if? And that aborted child, is nobody's??
She wouldnt. 13 is too young - she would have died.
That aborted child would have to live with the fact that he/she was the product of malice and injustice. Psychological trauma, delinquency etc. could all follow.
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P. S. nobody= no one.
This guy. :P
LMAO !!!!
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Few people are as strong hearted as you.
I'm weak hearted-- you need a strong heart to kill.
That's why we have the law and legislation. Legislation in some countries exists where abortion is prohibited EXCEPT in special circumstances - for example when a woman is rap*d.
The law fails. Abortion and rap* are before being public, private issues.
And the policy isn't effective either. If it's made easy to discard the residue of rap*, it will be easier to both rap* and be rap*d.
That's irrelevant. You dont kiss and tell ;)
That ain't working. You'll need to find something more valid.
Do you rap* and tell?
I am not succumbing to the times, I am stating a fact. A 13 year old rap* victim shouldnt be forced to go through the pain of childbirth.
She wouldnt. 13 is too young - she would have died.
FYI, we had a 'kid' here who gave birth to a HEALTHY child and is feeding him well, at 8 years old. That was a rap* case too.
I laud this girl. She had the courage to take a decision others physically and morally stronger than her couldn't.
That aborted child would have to live with the fact that he/she was the product of malice and injustice. Psychological trauma, delinquency etc. could all follow.
There isn't any lack of orphans and rejected people in this world. So what? We force them all in an extinction camp because psychological trauma, delinquency etc. could follow?
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An 8 year old is not mature enough to raise a child.
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An 8 year old is not mature enough to raise a child.
That's theory.
She DID it. And is still.
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I'm weak hearted-- you need a strong heart to kill.
It is easier to destroy than create.
The law fails. Abortion and rap* are before being public, private issues.
And the policy isn't effective either. If it's made easy to discard the residue of rap*, it will be easier to both rap* and be rap*d.
It does, I will agree, fail at times. No, rape is a social iniquity - something that affects the community. I dont see how allowing abortion will make it easier for any person to become rape victim. Are you suggesting people will welcome being raped, knowing they can simply abort the child later ?
That ain't working. You'll need to find something more valid.
Do you rap* and tell?
Kissing and holding hands dont cause lasting emotional trauma, physical pain and a child. These things remain with you forever.
FYI, we had a 'kid' here who gave birth to a HEALTHY child and is feeding him well, at 8 years old. That was a rap* case too.
I laud this girl. She had the courage to take a decision others physically and morally stronger than her couldn't.
I cant comment on the matter, the child was lucky. She knows very well she could have died.
There isn't any lack of orphans and rejected people in this world. So what? We force them all in an extinction camp because psychological trauma, delinquency etc. could follow?
At a few days after conception a 'child' is simply a ball of cells. No brain, no heart, no nerves - nothing. No pain can be felt, no loss incurred.
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That's theory.
She DID it. And is still.
It's a fact...scientifically proven. An 8 year old is not supposed to conceive. It ain't good for her, it ain't good for the kid.
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It's a fact...scientifically proven. An 8 year old is not supposed to conceive. It ain't good for her, it ain't good for the kid.
For a grown adult, childbirth is a VERY painful thing.
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It's a fact...scientifically proven. An 8 year old is not supposed to conceive. It ain't good for her, it ain't good for the kid.
I know... But there are many exceptions in the world.
For a grown adult, childbirth is a VERY painful thing.
Being raped is no less painful. You know and are psychologically, be it subconsciously, prepared when you give birth, but not when you are raped.
And for the above... Later, am off.
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For a grown adult, childbirth is a VERY painful thing.
We are still young girls, Alpha, we don't know what it is like to be a mother.Yes it is painful..and I don't think a young victim deserves the pain.And no that ain't for her to decide. She is still not grown up to understand the complications of childbirth.
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On a lighter note - I think this this is the first debate I've been a real part off :P
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We are still young girls, Alpha, we don't know what it is like to be a mother.Yes it is painful..and I don't think a young victim deserves the pain.And no that ain't for her to decide. She is still not grown up to understand the complications of childbirth.
In earlier times, when there were few or no advances in medicine at all, young girls like you and me already had a panoply of offspring.
She didn't deserve being raped in the first place. The child doesn't deserve to be killed. Nobody deserved anything.
She went through trauma... she was alive, no? She lost everything. She still has a life, no?
Then, why should this perception change when it's the case for the unborn?
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In earlier times, when there were few or no advances in medicine at all, young girls like you and me already had a panoply of offspring.
She didn't deserve being rap*d in the first place. The child doesn't deserve to be killed. Nobody deserved anything.
She went through trauma... she was alive, no? She lost everything. She still has a life, no?
Then, why should this perception change when it's the case for the unborn?
Yes they kept having kids because they had premature babies that would die most of the times.
I know of girls who were raped and have made a good life. You don't lose out life when you're raped. You don't remain bound to pain and raise a child you think is a burden. You won't feel good about it, nor will the child.
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My Mum went to bath. :P Am waiting.
It is easier to destroy than create.
Now, that is philosophy. :P
It does, I will agree, fail at times. No, rap* is a social iniquity - something that affects the community. I dont see how allowing abortion will make it easier for any person to become rap* victim. Are you suggesting people will welcome being rap*d, knowing they can simply abort the child later ?
Rap* affects the community. But BEFORE it goes out to society, it remains with the victim and the offender. How many people you think reveal they have been rap*d?
Yes, I'm referring to using abortion as a contraception after penetration. You can't legalize it for a minority, if it's legal, it will be for everyone. You can't stop people from making an abuse of legally accessible assets.
Kissing and holding hands dont cause lasting emotional trauma, physical pain and a child. These things remain with you forever.
In bold, before it DID. It's only now that we take these things lightly. Before, the mindset was completely different.
I cant comment on the matter, the child was lucky. She knows very well she could have died.
She knew for sure her second option was the certain death of the child.
At a few days after conception a 'child' is simply a ball of cells. No brain, no heart, no nerves - nothing. No pain can be felt, no loss incurred.
I heard that often. Temme, if something has no life, then what are we terminating by having recourse to abortion?
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Yes they kept having kids because they had premature babies that would die most of the times.
Ah no... The women you're talking about having premature frail kids didn't have good sanitary conditions, and proper nutrition, some people were extremely poor in those times.
But others did it... They did prove it's possible, and you can live it through.
I know of girls who were rap*d and have made a good life. You don't lose out life when you're rap*d. You don't remain bound to pain and raise a child you think is a burden. You won't feel good about it, nor will the child.
How can you be sure what will affect the child more? Being rejected of careless people, or being deprived of life?
A child is a burden? Why is the child a 'burden'? That's very selfish indeed. Because victims of rape emerge frustrated, they have to look for an easy prey to remove their frustration and anger on?
The child is the easiest prey, isn't it?
Where are we going? What are we making of this world? Instead of 'aborting' the criminals, the rapists, if possible crime out of our societies, we have to have recourse to camouflaged infanticide to keep the streets 'clean'?
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I heard that often. Temme, if something has no life, then what are we terminating by having recourse to abortion?
I/we would be destroying what has the potential to have life, but doesnt yet possess it.
Like I said, all you lose is a ball of matter. A cynical way of looking at it, but it is realistic.
I'll comment on the rest later. Ta ta.
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Now, that is philosophy. :P
No, that is fact. ;)
Rap* affects the community. But BEFORE it goes out to society, it remains with the victim and the offender. How many people you think reveal they have been rap*d?
I agree to an extent. However, who is eventually paying the cost of conducting a police investigation, assigning a psychiatrist to the victim, setting up a trial etc ? The taxpayer i.e. you and me. When a victim DOESNT report the felony the cost is even larger since the felon will still roam the streets attacking innocent people.
Hence, no matter what; society still bears a negative externality.
Yes, I'm referring to using abortion as a contraception after penetration. You can't legalize it for a minority, if it's legal, it will be for everyone. You can't stop people from making an abuse of legally accessible assets.
Although, people will always try and get illegal abortions, countries have enforced laws where abortion is only available to rape victims after review i.e. only a minority have access.
In bold, before it DID. It's only now that we take these things lightly. Before, the mindset was completely different.
I dont know what country you speak of, but any logical person can see there is a huge gap between the damage cause by kissing a woman and raping her. So you have no argument to speak of.
She knew for sure her second option was the certain death of the child.
What makes you so sure the parents didnt force the choice upon the child ?
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Ah no... The women you're talking about having premature frail kids didn't have good sanitary conditions, and proper nutrition, some people were extremely poor in those times.
But others did it... They did prove it's possible, and you can live it through.
It is possible. I just read of a girl in the USSR who gave birth to a dead baby way way back in the day. Did I mention her vagina was nearly ripped apart because of the stress during pregnancy ?
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You can do cesarean operation if the baby is not in the right place xp
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Watch it >:(
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I/we would be destroying what has the potential to have life, but doesnt yet possess it.
Like I said, all you lose is a ball of matter. A cynical way of looking at it, but it is realistic.
I'll comment on the rest later. Ta ta.
Potential to have life, but does not yet possess it. Then, what are we ending? If it’s the potential to have life, then, it’s life, isn’t it?
Realistic? And abortion, is it realistic? The heart of the “ball of matter” starts to beat as from the 21st day after contraception, while before two weeks, it’s near to impossible for a woman to find out she is pregnant. She will ultimately be killing a child, not a “ball of matter”.
If aborting a child who is considered a ‘burden’, an ‘impediment’ to the victim’s life is a decision that should be accepted by the law, then selecting the gender of the unborn child should also be permitted, if having a child of particular sex (esp. a female) is considered to be a burden on the family. Is it right, moral, justifiable, to murder a child just because he is not of the sex one had desired? Because he’s a child one does not desire? If abortion is made legal, how can the law prevent people from using this right in conformity, to their own will?
Anyway, do you think it will be easy to legalize abortion when there are so many people who find it immoral, and sinful? Even the doctors are bound by the Hippocratic Oath (“I must not play at God”). How can they let a hypocrite government just impose a law in favour of a minority in a world where fundamental human rights of life (every human being has the inherent right to life) , freedom, choice and opinion are ensured for one and all, and that is becoming more and more democratic? People will drop in the streets, and contest and rally and boycott a law that does NOT form part of their moral code.
Going for abortion is certainly the worst option one might choose. If women are raped, they can use contraceptive pills and prevent conception. Why should they wait for the fetus to be formed? Abortion will not encourage physicists to find better ways of dealing with the problems we have. There will be no pressure on heads of state, on human organizations, on helpers.
It will only make the world blind and crazy.
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Read this on steadyhealth:
Many people don't realize that abortion is actually very dangerous procedure. While techniques are improving, there is still a high probability of negative physical side-effects. Also there are almost certain negative psychological side-effects. Abortion is an unnatural process that interrupts one of the primary functions of women’s body. A woman's body naturally resists the abortion, which causes physical and emotional problems. One of the most disturbing things about this is that many women aren't informed about these side-effects. 87% hospitalized women were ones with complications with legal abortion, and 91% had treated patients with complications from legal abortions. There are several doctors who reported patients dying from legally induced abortions. Either abortion is induced or spontaneous it independently and significantly increased the risk of subsequent development of the secondary infertility. There are really a lot of side effects, and if you will keep your baby or decide to this step depends on you.
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No, that is fact. ;)
Objection. In the case of childbirth, it is easier to create than destroy.
I agree to an extent. However, who is eventually paying the cost of conducting a police investigation, assigning a psychiatrist to the victim, setting up a trial etc ? The taxpayer i.e. you and me. When a victim DOESNT report the felony the cost is even larger since the felon will still roam the streets attacking innocent people.
Hence, no matter what; society still bears a negative externality.
Who will pay for the victim's honour and peace of life?
Everything bears a -ve externality.
Although, people will always try and get illegal abortions, countries have enforced laws where abortion is only available to rap* victims after review i.e. only a minority have access.
Only a minority have legal access.*
What happens under the table, you don't know. If this minority is checked thoroughly before being allowed this right, you don't know.
I dont know what country you speak of, but any logical person can see there is a huge gap between the damage cause by kissing a woman and raping her. So you have no argument to speak of.
Boy, you live in the 21st century. You won't find logic in it. Just like the people after you will not find logic in certain things we used to find logical, at a specific period of time.
What makes you so sure the parents didnt force the choice upon the child ?
Seriously, you want me to go and ask her now? :P
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You can do cesarean operation if the baby is not in the right place xp
You could make more productive arguments. :P
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You talk of freedom of rights and freedom to life, right ? What gives you the justification the 'ability' so to speak to pressure a woman into having a child she doesnt want ?
If we can force women to have unwanted pregnancies what stops you from sterilising women ? You and I have no control over another persons ability to reproduce. That is a social right.
You say why not use contraception aka the morning after pill ? Well, wake up, statistics show most women go into shock after a rape and few have the presence of mind to take any such pills ! In addition not every woman lives in a developed country like the UK/USA where they have access to such contraceptive commodities.
Teenagers who become pregnant are more likely to drop out of school, get divorced and rely on MY MONEY via public benefits for an act that WASNT my fault.
By outlawing abortions wont that lead to an increase in ILLEGAL abortions ? I dont want to walk down the street and find a foetus in the gutter ! Neither do I want to read about women dropping dead because of botched abortions.
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Read this on steadyhealth:
Many people don't realize that abortion is actually very dangerous procedure. While techniques are improving, there is still a high probability of negative physical side-effects. Also there are almost certain negative psychological side-effects. Abortion is an unnatural process that interrupts one of the primary functions of women’s body. A woman's body naturally resists the abortion, which causes physical and emotional problems. One of the most disturbing things about this is that many women aren't informed about these side-effects. 87% hospitalized women were ones with complications with legal abortion, and 91% had treated patients with complications from legal abortions. There are several doctors who reported patients dying from legally induced abortions. Either abortion is induced or spontaneous it independently and significantly increased the risk of subsequent development of the secondary infertility. There are really a lot of side effects, and if you will keep your baby or decide to this step depends on you.
And people think premature childbearing is the only dangerous thing...
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Seriously, you want me to go and ask her now? :P
Only if it supports my side of the argument :P
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And people think premature childbearing is the only dangerous thing...
If you can argue that advances in medicine have made child birth more safe, why cant I argue the same with respect to abortions ?
This is the 21st century after all.
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You talk of freedom of rights and freedom to life, right ? What gives you the justification the 'ability' so to speak to pressure a woman into having a child she doesnt want ?
SHE doesn't want the child. There's no dearth of people who are looking for children to adopt. There's no dearth of orphanages today.
Give it to someone else, and certainly, don't come a few years later to reclaim rights on that child.
If we can force women to have unwanted pregnancies what stops you from sterilising women ? You and I have no control over another persons ability to reproduce. That is a social right.
Use contraceptives, it is that difficult?
You say why not use contraception aka the morning after pill ? Well, wake up, statistics show most women go into shock after a rap* and few have the presence of mind to take any such pills ! In addition not every woman lives in a developed country like the UK/USA where they have access to such contraceptive commodities.
Wow, they go into a shock after a rap*... and miraculously, are able to decide to end up the life of a baby after that shocking experience.
What's a greater shock? "I was rap*d"? Or "I killed the child in my womb"?
Teenagers who become pregnant are more likely to drop out of school, get divorced and rely on MY MONEY via public benefits for an act that WASNT my fault.
It wasn't the teenagers' fault too, by the way. ::)
By outlawing abortions wont that lead to an increase in ILLEGAL abortions ? I dont want to walk down the street and find a foetus in the gutter ! Neither do I want to read about women dropping dead because of botched abortions.
-_- Will it cause a decrease in thefts if stealing is legalized? Will corruption stop if bribing becomes permissible by law?
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I get bored when the posts get long :P
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Only if it supports my side of the argument :P
Ha Ha Ha :P
So funny. :P
If you can argue that advances in medicine have made child birth more safe, why cant I argue the same with respect to abortions ?
This is the 21st century after all.
You can, of course, in some more 50 years. It will be relevant then. ::)
I get bored when the posts get long :P
LOL. That made me remember my GP teacher. She loves throwing this topic at us. Thanks to Iluvme, I can practice here for my future assessment. ;D
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I have only one comment. You've never been raped. You have absolutely no idea what happens to a person when something like that happens.
Its something you have to experience to understand; not something I would want to happen to you.
Neither can you compare the magnitude of shock.
The Indian government advocates the use of condoms (I've seen the ads). Yet we still have a growing population. The matter of using contraception is more complex than you think.
MANY PEOPLE CANT AFFORD CONTRACEPTION.
If stealing is legalised then thefts are in effect a legal act. Where's your argument, it doesnt even make sense ?
In some cultures being raped and then having a child is considered an insult to the family honour. Abortions are often the only avenue for salvation.
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LOL. That made me remember my GP teacher. She loves throwing this topic at us. Thanks to Iluvme, I can practice here for my future assessment. ;D
Your thanking Iluvme ? She (its a she, right ?) just started the topic. I'm the one sparring with you ::)
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Your thanking Iluvme ? She (its a she, right ?) just started the topic. I'm the one sparring with you ::)
THANK YOU LION.
That's big enough to view...? ::)
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THANK YOU LION.
That's big enough to view...? ::)
I'm not blind you know -_-
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I have only one comment. You've never been rap*d. You have absolutely no idea what happens to a person when something like that happens.
Its something you have to experience to understand; not something I would want to happen to you.
Neither can you compare the magnitude of shock.
Have you ever lost a child?
The Indian government advocates the use of condoms (I've seen the ads). Yet we still have a growing population. The matter of using contraception is more complex than you think.
MANY PEOPLE CANT AFFORD CONTRACEPTION.
They can't afford contraception, and by magic, will be able to afford abortion?
If stealing is legalised then thefts are in effect a legal act. Where's your argument, it doesnt even make sense ?
Hey, if you don't understand... read and read again... It will become clearer... and clearer...
The argument you proposed about legalising abortion will reduce, if not eliminate, backstreet abortion can be applied to the examples I gave too. You see stealing as a crime, bribing one. Abortion is a crime too. Will legalizing a crime cause it to being less used clandestinely?
In some cultures being rap*d and then having a child is considered an insult to the family honour. Abortions are often the only avenue for salvation.
In other cultures, having a girl is considered an insult to family honour. So, we kill the females?
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LOL. That made me remember my GP teacher. She loves throwing this topic at us. Thanks to Iluvme, I can practice here for my future assessment. ;D
Lol, I put up this topic because of two reasons, my debating mentor hinted this might be the view we are to debate next upon AND a member's name made me reflect.
Your thanking Iluvme ? She (its a she, right ?) just started the topic.
In case I'm not mistaken, I have listed my sex as female havn't I?
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I'm not blind you know -_-
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Ah, worry not Ari Ben Abortion. ;) I wrote it in black. :P
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Lol, I put up this topic because of two reasons, my debating mentor hinted this might be the view we are to debate next upon AND a member's name made me reflect.
Ffs.
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In case I'm not mistaken, I have listed my sex as female havn't I?
I'm not blind you know -_-
:D I didn't say anything. :D
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:D I didn't say anything. :D
wtv :P
Sorry, iluvme. It was an honest mistake, please dont kill me. :-[
*whispers to iluvme* Alpha thought you were a boy :o KILL HER !! :P JOKE !! ;D
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wtv :P
Sorry, iluvme. It was an honest mistake, please dont kill me. :-[
*whispers to iluvme* Alpha thought you were a boy :o KILL HER !! :P JOKE !! ;D
:D
My ghost is worse than my person.
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Sorry, iluvme. It was an honest mistake, please dont kill me. :-[
*whispers to iluvme* Alpha thought you were a boy :o KILL HER !! :P JOKE !! ;D
Nah, I dont murder.
Alpha! You did!!?@! *looks confused* Wait, Don't girls usually gang up against guys? >:(
Ahhh Ari, you were the one who TYPED it! I'll get my Black Cats to kill you.. ::)
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Nah, I dont murder.
Alpha! You did!!?@! *looks confused* Wait, Don't girls usually gang up against guys? >:(
Ahhh Ari, you were the one who TYPED it! I'll get my Black Cats to kill you.. ::)
Contrary to popular belief I have a history of supporting women against men on a number of matters. Just ask Nid and Alpha.
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Contrary to popular belief I have a history of supporting women against men on a number of matters. Just ask Nid and Alpha.
Im going blind, is your gender stated right?
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Im going blind, is your gender stated right?
Why, what's wrong ? Havent heard of men who support women ? Too used to the image of the male-chauvinist pig ? ::)
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Why, what's wrong ? Havent heard of men who support women ? Too used to the image of the male-chauvinist pig ? ::)
No, I havn't nor heard nor seen over here...Except a very few rare cases. They'd rather drown, than accept the fact that they are not perfectionists.
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No, I havn't nor heard nor seen over here...Except a very few rare cases. They'd rather drown, than accept the fact that they are not perfectionists.
I have said this a million times and I'll say it again. Women are superior to men. Women rock !!!
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I have said this a million times and I'll say it again. Women are superior to men. Women rock !!!
WOAH!! hi5!! *looks superior* I knew it already!
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WOAH!! hi5!! *looks superior* I knew it already!
Palmed ;) Now lets wait for all the guys who start calling me a sissy.
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Palmed ;) Now lets wait for all the guys who start calling me a sissy.
;D My bro just did. I punched him for you.
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;D My bro just did. I punched him for you.
How old is he ? Depending on his age I have to modify the age rating of my retort.
Thank you ;D
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How old is he ? Depending on his age I have to modify the age rating of my retort.
Thank you ;D
15 But who cares about his age? I love kicking him all the time
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15 But who cares about his age? I love kicking him all the time
Heylo to iluvme's brother. :P
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Thats what you came up with? Lol, but he might come up with more colorful words if I let him sit here for a moment. :(
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Thats what you came up with? Lol, but he might come up with more colorful words if I let him sit here for a moment. :(
Okay, I modified it. :P
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Im impressed. Though I didnt let him see it.
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Im impressed. Though I didnt let him see it.
I'm guessing he uses vivid language ? :P
We are seriously going off topic here. SFers are the best at that. :D
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I'm guessing he uses vivid language ? :P
We are seriously going off topic here. SFers are the best at that. :D
More than vivid.
Lol, yeah.
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Nah, I dont murder.
Alpha! You did!!?@! *looks confused* Wait, Don't girls usually gang up against guys? >:(
Ahhh Ari, you were the one who TYPED it! I'll get my Black Cats to kill you.. ::)
I didn't yaar. Everything I posted is clear-crystal.
He told you, and you believed him? :P
Don't boys usually ignite fire between their co-opponents? :P
Contrary to popular belief I have a history of supporting women against men on a number of matters. Just ask Nid and Alpha.
FINALLY, I have settled with the proper nick for you:
Ari Ben Nari :D
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FINALLY, I have settled with the proper nick for you:
Ari Ben Nari :D
Why Nari ?
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Why Nari ?
Now, you know. ;)
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I didn't yaar. Everything I posted is clear-crystal.
He told you, and you believed him? :P
Yaar?! Whats that? :-\
He told me, and I believed him? *whispers* I just pretended to make him happy :P. He's a mod after all.
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Yaar?! Whats that? :-\
He told me, and I believed him? *whispers* I just pretended to make him happy :P. He's a mod after all.
Yaar = Friend (In Hindi)
I thought you were Indian...
He's a mod. And me, am what? A bug? :P
Yaar is an Indian thing to add at end of a sentence :P It has no meaning ;)
By the way, Nari= Woman :P :D
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Yaar = Friend (In Hindi)
I thought you were Indian...
He's a mod. And me, am what? A bug? :P
By the way, Nari= Woman :P :D
LOL ..finally i get to learn Hindi ;D ;D thanks :-*
Nah she's from somewhere close ::) ::)
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LOL ..finally i get to learn Hindi ;D ;D thanks :-*
Nah she's from somewhere close ::) ::)
I got to learn Arabic too, from you. :-*
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Yaar = Friend (In Hindi)
I thought you were Indian...
He's a mod. And me, am what? A bug? :P
By the way, Nari= Woman :P :D
Me? Indian? Nah.. Quite close though.
Yup, you are a mod, but a lady which makes quite a difference.
Nari=Woman? Nari, here almost means fox. I'm not exactly sure of the equivalent meaning.
@GG: ;)
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I got to learn Arabic too, from you. :-*
Anytime :-*
Well then Plz teach me the basics ;D
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The whole problem would be solved if someone followed me. My name 8)
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It's your name, the real source of the whole problem. :P