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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #315 on: June 06, 2010, 09:57:31 am »
easy bro here we go

as we go down group 2  , cation size increase => polarising power of anion decreases => bonds in nitrates and carbonates are less easily broken => nore difficult to decompose => themal stability of nitrates and carbonates of group 2 increases

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #316 on: June 06, 2010, 10:39:24 am »
This might be a little difficult to explain but I'll try. Here's the thing, as you go down the group, the polarisation power decreases. Now, you're probably thinking 'That should make the bond weaker'. But the deal is that carbonates and nitrates are not single atoms. The more polarised they are, the more uneven charge density they have because the cation is mainly pulling just one oxygen atom towards itself. This makes the other part of the carbonate or nitrate ion unwilling to stay with the cation. The more you go down group 2, the more the charge density becomes even around the carbonate or nitrate ion as it is less polarised and the ion is more willing to stay with the cation. So as you go down the group metal carbonates and nitrates become more stable. Hope my explanation didn't confuse you too much.                                                                                       

lol i did get confused a bit..but yeah that helped..so thnaks bro..
well also we need to think about the other possible factors too right..like the atomic radii...lattice and hydration enthalpies...
if the attraction is large( atomic radius is less) then a lot of energy will be given out when the lattice is formed from the ions and so the lattice energy wil have a large -ve value..
as we go down the group the value becomes positive..
the lattice energies also fall at diffrnt rates..like for eg: oxide ion is smaller than carbonate ion so its lattice enthalpy will fall faster...

so basically this is the thing right..that as u go down the group..the lattice enthalpy becomes more positive so a great deal of energy is needed to break it down(decompose) n so its stable.. ???

and oh yeah whts with those exceptions everywhere lithium carbonate na dlithium nitrate... ???

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #317 on: June 06, 2010, 10:42:14 am »
and can somebody tell me about the hydroxides too...? or it has the same explanation too ??? ???
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #318 on: June 06, 2010, 10:42:14 am »
guys , where can i find Unit2 jan2010 mark scheme ?

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« Reply #319 on: June 06, 2010, 11:30:29 am »
guys , where can i find Unit2 jan2010 mark scheme ?

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« Reply #320 on: June 06, 2010, 11:38:31 am »
and can somebody tell me about the hydroxides too...? or it has the same explanation too ??? ???

Same

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #321 on: June 06, 2010, 12:31:46 pm »
lol i did get confused a bit..but yeah that helped..so thnaks bro..
well also we need to think about the other possible factors too right..like the atomic radii...lattice and hydration enthalpies...
if the attraction is large( atomic radius is less) then a lot of energy will be given out when the lattice is formed from the ions and so the lattice energy wil have a large -ve value..
as we go down the group the value becomes positive..
the lattice energies also fall at diffrnt rates..like for eg: oxide ion is smaller than carbonate ion so its lattice enthalpy will fall faster...

so basically this is the thing right..that as u go down the group..the lattice enthalpy becomes more positive so a great deal of energy is needed to break it down(decompose) n so its stable.. ???

and oh yeah whts with those exceptions everywhere lithium carbonate na dlithium nitrate... ???

thanks alot bro!
                                                                                                                    There are other factors to consider too but according to the specification, we're only supposed to think in terms of the size and charge of the ions involved i.e polarisation. I've seen the mark schemes and the answers are only given in terms of polarisation too. Anyways, good luck to you and everyone else who's attempting this nightmare.                                   

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #322 on: June 06, 2010, 12:38:51 pm »
Thanks so much  :)

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #323 on: June 06, 2010, 01:35:31 pm »
he guys salam alikum

open the following site and solve the multiple  choice tests they will help u a bit


www.knockhardy.org.uk

salam

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #324 on: June 06, 2010, 01:45:08 pm »
ahan i see...thanks!
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #325 on: June 06, 2010, 02:24:58 pm »
Hey damlaj thanx  ;D (Y)
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #326 on: June 06, 2010, 07:23:10 pm »
hey guyz i need help once again...
i need help with the boiling points across the periods..
fro eg we consider the period 3 elements...
we have sodium magnesium aluminum silicon phosphorous sulfur chlorine and argon...so what is the boiling point trend for these elements..
i need explanation with a reason justifying your choice..
anyone...pleaseee!!!! :(
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #327 on: June 06, 2010, 08:26:39 pm »
cud sum1 explain june 2009 q23 c
i dont get it
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« Reply #328 on: June 06, 2010, 08:40:11 pm »
Yeah :)
Because it says to round to 2dp its actually the 3rd dp that makes the difference because it basically decides if the 2nd is rounded or not..
thats why you do 0.005 x 2 / the number x 100
Hope that makes sense!

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« Reply #329 on: June 06, 2010, 08:42:35 pm »
Yeah :)
Because it says to round to 2dp its actually the 3rd dp that makes the difference because it basically decides if the 2nd is rounded or not..
thats why you do 0.005 x 2 / the number x 100
Hope that makes sense!

ok i am a little slow today so cud u explain where 0.005 and 2 came from??
sorry for the trouble
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