Author Topic: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!  (Read 88593 times)

Offline ~ Miss Relina ~

  • SF Senior Citizen
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Reputation: 65535
  • Gender: Female
  • Every rose has a thorn
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #480 on: August 13, 2011, 11:41:56 pm »
Sure =]

In the Question it stated the words "Real root" , and when you see that then you should know that you should undoubtedly use " > or greater than or equal" .

How did I know that , look into these notes I posted prior ;)


EDIT: Regarding your doubt about Sketching Graphs ,I found some notes that could help.

Attached.

Source of the Notes : http://getrevising.co.uk/resources/c1_sketching_curves


well okay the notes say the same thing I say too
in both questions which you had solved before the question said real roots which should be greater than or equal but you used less than or equal
that's my point dear  ;)
~~~Yarab everything turns alright at the end ~~~
    -----------Ameeeeeeeeeeen------------

Offline The Golden Girl =D

  • Without Allah I'm nothing <3
  • Honorary Member
  • SF Overlord
  • *****
  • Posts: 13757
  • Reputation: 65532
  • Ain't Nothin worth your tears =D
    • www.thegoldengirl157.blogspot.com
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #481 on: August 13, 2011, 11:47:17 pm »
well okay the notes say the same thing I say too
in both questions which you had solved before the question said real roots which should be greater than or equal but you used less than or equal
that's my point dear  ;)

At first I used Greater than or Equal but then I used less than an equal.

Clarification :

Quote
a=k, b=8, c=5
x={ - b plus or minus (square root ?b2?4ac) }/2a

b2-4ac greater than or equal  0 for real roots. So
82-4k * 5 greater than or equal 0
64-20k greater than or equal 0
64 less than or equal 20k
64 /20 less than or equal k
k less than or equal  3.2

The on in RED and BOLD. Why I changed it into less than becase if you noticed we moved the 20 K to the RIGHT side of the inequality and you should know whenever you MOVE the unkown *one with X or K example : 20 K* you CHANGE the Sign ;)

I hope you got my point ;)
Verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest(13:28)

Please, Don't forget to Include GG in your Prayers =D

Offline ~ Miss Relina ~

  • SF Senior Citizen
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Reputation: 65535
  • Gender: Female
  • Every rose has a thorn
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #482 on: August 14, 2011, 12:01:55 am »
At first I used Greater than or Equal but then I used less than an equal.

Clarification :

The on in RED and BOLD. Why I changed it into less than becase if you noticed we moved the 20 K to the RIGHT side of the inequality and you should know whenever you MOVE the unkown *one with X or K example : 20 K* you CHANGE the Sign ;)

I hope you got my point ;)


oh ralyy I've never heard about that ''whenever you MOVE the unkown *one with X or K example : 20 K* you CHANGE the Sign ''
what I know is that when we just divide or multioly an inquality we change signs only
anyways thanks
but what about the first two questions in my first post Q 3 E [4 a and b] they mentioned real roots but you used less than or equal to get the answer right ???
by the way I know your method is right ofcourse because you git the right answer but  i am just confused sorry of the conflict between the two examples 3E-4a and 3 F-9

Thanks for all your efforts I have made you tired I think
~~~Yarab everything turns alright at the end ~~~
    -----------Ameeeeeeeeeeen------------

Offline The Golden Girl =D

  • Without Allah I'm nothing <3
  • Honorary Member
  • SF Overlord
  • *****
  • Posts: 13757
  • Reputation: 65532
  • Ain't Nothin worth your tears =D
    • www.thegoldengirl157.blogspot.com
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #483 on: August 14, 2011, 12:22:10 am »
oh ralyy I've never heard about that ''whenever you MOVE the unkown *one with X or K example : 20 K* you CHANGE the Sign ''
what I know is that when we just divide or multioly an inquality we change signs only
anyways thanks
but what about the first two questions in my first post Q 3 E [4 a and b] they mentioned real roots but you used less than or equal to get the answer right ???
by the way I know your method is right ofcourse because you git the right answer but  i am just confused sorry of the conflict between the two examples 3E-4a and 3 F-9

Thanks for all your efforts I have made you tired I think

You seem to be REALLY confused. Habeebti ,I'll explain everything inshAllah ;) ....It's Alright I'm free for now so I am not tired =]

Okay I'm going to Quote what I said and Color it in RED so that you see that there is no need to get confused AT ALL ;)


(a) a=1, b=-k, c=k+3
b2-4ac<0 for no real roots, so
k2-4(k+3)<0
k2-4k?12<0
(k-6)(k+2)<0
-2<k<6

(b) a=p, b=p, c=-2
b2-4ac<0 for no real roots, so
p2+8p<0
p(p+8)<0
-8<p<0

This is NO real roots which is why it is <   ;)

Quote
a=k, b=8, c=5
x={ - b plus or minus (square root ?b2?4ac) }/2a

b2-4ac greater than or equal  0 for real roots. So
82-4k * 5 greater than or equal 0
64-20k greater than or equal 0
64 less than or equal 20k
64 /20 less than or equal k
k less than or equal  3.2


This is Real roots which is why it is greater than or equal   ;)

I hope you got my point =]

Don't forget to include me in Your Prayers =D
Verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest(13:28)

Please, Don't forget to Include GG in your Prayers =D

Offline ~ Miss Relina ~

  • SF Senior Citizen
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Reputation: 65535
  • Gender: Female
  • Every rose has a thorn
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #484 on: August 14, 2011, 07:54:19 pm »
@G.G : Thanks alot
well anyone knows any information about How to find the vertical and horizontal asymptotes of the reciprocal 1/x ???  :)
~~~Yarab everything turns alright at the end ~~~
    -----------Ameeeeeeeeeeen------------

Offline The Golden Girl =D

  • Without Allah I'm nothing <3
  • Honorary Member
  • SF Overlord
  • *****
  • Posts: 13757
  • Reputation: 65532
  • Ain't Nothin worth your tears =D
    • www.thegoldengirl157.blogspot.com
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #485 on: August 14, 2011, 08:24:23 pm »
You're welcome .. don't forget to include me in your prayers ;)

I didn't get your request , can you elaborate please ?
Verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest(13:28)

Please, Don't forget to Include GG in your Prayers =D

Offline ~ Miss Relina ~

  • SF Senior Citizen
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Reputation: 65535
  • Gender: Female
  • Every rose has a thorn
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #486 on: August 15, 2011, 06:41:11 pm »
You're welcome .. don't forget to include me in your prayers ;)

I didn't get your request , can you elaborate please ?

never mind I searched and got it Allhamduliallah
~~~Yarab everything turns alright at the end ~~~
    -----------Ameeeeeeeeeeen------------

Offline The Golden Girl =D

  • Without Allah I'm nothing <3
  • Honorary Member
  • SF Overlord
  • *****
  • Posts: 13757
  • Reputation: 65532
  • Ain't Nothin worth your tears =D
    • www.thegoldengirl157.blogspot.com
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #487 on: August 15, 2011, 09:22:37 pm »
I'm glad you did =] ..I'm here if you need my help though ;)
Verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest(13:28)

Please, Don't forget to Include GG in your Prayers =D

Offline ~ Miss Relina ~

  • SF Senior Citizen
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Reputation: 65535
  • Gender: Female
  • Every rose has a thorn
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #488 on: September 17, 2011, 09:04:37 pm »
well if anyone have C2 and  you can help then here is my question page 66 exercise 4D question 3 :
my problem is that i  donot know how to ge the r2  however Iwas able to get the centre point right I found in the back of the book answers but I was totally confused and don't know the exact method

ahhhh.....By the way you don't need to do  the whole  exercise  just one example would be fine

Thanks in advance  :D
~~~Yarab everything turns alright at the end ~~~
    -----------Ameeeeeeeeeeen------------

Offline Malak

  • Honorary Member
  • SF Farseer
  • *****
  • Posts: 4454
  • Reputation: 65534
  • A warm smile is the universal language of kindness
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #489 on: September 18, 2011, 04:50:37 pm »
Okay sorry for the previous reply ::)

Here is what you do.

When a quadratic equation is given use completing the square to find the center and radius and then find the equation of circle.

See this for the best explanation :P
http://www.examsolutions.co.uk/maths-revision/core-maths/coordinate-geometry/circle/centre-radius/tutorial-1.php
If you are a man who degrades women then allow me to respectfully remind you that you came from ONE

Reminder to myself: Stop worrying and start working

SF magazine 2012 - Download here

Offline ~ Miss Relina ~

  • SF Senior Citizen
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Reputation: 65535
  • Gender: Female
  • Every rose has a thorn
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #490 on: September 18, 2011, 06:48:26 pm »
Okay sorry for the previous reply ::)

Here is what you do.

When a quadratic equation is given use completing the square to find the center and radius and then find the equation of circle.

See this for the best explanation :P
http://www.examsolutions.co.uk/maths-revision/core-maths/coordinate-geometry/circle/centre-radius/tutorial-1.php


well thanks for the link I'll check it
 but now you made me curious   ;D about ur previous reply as I didn't see it ......I'm going to accept it as long as u are helping me thank you very much  :) hope Allah help you with anything you want  :)
« Last Edit: September 19, 2011, 11:58:41 am by ~Relina~ »
~~~Yarab everything turns alright at the end ~~~
    -----------Ameeeeeeeeeeen------------

Offline ~ Miss Relina ~

  • SF Senior Citizen
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Reputation: 65535
  • Gender: Female
  • Every rose has a thorn
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #491 on: September 19, 2011, 11:54:30 am »
well after checking the link I found it too useful but the problem is why this rule apply to the book equations I 'll show you one :
x2 + y2 + 4x + 9y +3 = 0
my answer is :
(x+2)2-4 + (y + 4.5 )2 -20.25 +3 = 0 then adding the numbers will give -13.25 so the equation will be :
(x+2)2 + (y+ 4.5 )2 = 13.25
so centre point should be ( -2 ,-4.5 ) and radius=  square root 13.25  

right ?????
  why the book did it like that :
(x+2)2 + (y + 3 )2 -10= 0

(x+2)2 + (y + 3 )2 = 10
so centre point is ( -2,-3) and radius=square root10




well.............the answer to the question shouldn't be like that unless there is a mistake and instead of 9y it should  be 6y

plz guys try it and tell me as I found all the other examples like that  >:( >:( >:(
« Last Edit: September 19, 2011, 11:57:47 am by ~Relina~ »
~~~Yarab everything turns alright at the end ~~~
    -----------Ameeeeeeeeeeen------------

Offline Arthur Bon Zavi

  • |Sun of Tomorrow... =]|
  • SF V.I.P
  • ********
  • Posts: 5849
  • Reputation: 65041
  • Gender: Male
  • Fiducia in questo uomo ciecamente.
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #492 on: September 19, 2011, 12:52:24 pm »
well.............the answer to the question shouldn't be like that unless there is a mistake and instead of 9y it should  be 6y

Yes, it should be 6y and not 9y.

Continuous efforts matter more than the outcome.
- NU

Offline ~ Miss Relina ~

  • SF Senior Citizen
  • *****
  • Posts: 611
  • Reputation: 65535
  • Gender: Female
  • Every rose has a thorn
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #493 on: September 19, 2011, 01:09:19 pm »
Yes, it should be 6y and not 9y.
thanks a lot for your respond can you check others too  :(

I've attached questions and book answers  and first one done  but others not can u plz check them too
sorry for disturbing  :-[
~~~Yarab everything turns alright at the end ~~~
    -----------Ameeeeeeeeeeen------------

Offline Arthur Bon Zavi

  • |Sun of Tomorrow... =]|
  • SF V.I.P
  • ********
  • Posts: 5849
  • Reputation: 65041
  • Gender: Male
  • Fiducia in questo uomo ciecamente.
Re: C1 and C2 DOUBTS HERE!!!!!
« Reply #494 on: September 19, 2011, 01:16:21 pm »
thanks a lot for your respond can you check others too  :(

I've attached questions and book answers  and first one done  but others not can u plz check them too
sorry for disturbing  :-[

You can do the rest by applying the same equation of the circle.

Continuous efforts matter more than the outcome.
- NU