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Derivative - Max and Min application!
« on: January 08, 2010, 09:53:06 am »
Question asked in the picture below!

THanks a lot for help!!

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 09:59:07 am »
I dont know how to find the closest point.

However, about the formula, Both ur suggested formulas are correct.

This is because its *squared*

lets say if x =10

first formula : (18-10)^2 = 64

second formula : (10-18)^2 = 64

hope that helped
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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 10:48:45 am »
I can't view the pic.  ???

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 11:29:40 am »
alpha, its weird that u cannot see the pic ???

astar, i am getting different answers everytime i solve this, :( :( :(
can u please solve it with some working.

i dont understand what to find out after getting the derivative :(

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 12:10:42 pm »
I really can't see... I've tried all that I could.  ??? :-[

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 12:22:12 pm »
try now
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where ru astar   im dying here !!
lol im so dependent on him..

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 12:47:05 pm »
Closest to the point >>> Line joining (18, 0) to the required point must be perpendicular to the point on the curve.

>>> Grad. at point on curve = Inverse sign, take reciprocal of grad. at point on curve

Let point be (x, y).

dy/dx = 2x

(x, y)               (18, 0)

(y - 0)/ ( x - 18) = - 1/ 2x

y = - 1/ 2x (x- 18)

On line which passes th. (x, y), y = x^2 (eq. of curve).

x^ 2 = -1/ 2x (x- 18)

2x^3 = -x + 18

Can you complete the rest...?

Am not sure of the answer, it's a trial only.  :-\
« Last Edit: January 08, 2010, 12:51:01 pm by ~Alpha »

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 01:42:08 pm »
i did not understand the method here...

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2010, 02:35:20 pm »
(y-0)^2=(0-y)^2 so both are the same.
d^2=(x-18)^2+(y-0)^2 and y=x^2
d^2=x^2-36x+324+x^4
differentiate to get 2x-36+4x^3=0
2x^3+x-18=0
(x-2)(2x^2+4x+9)=0
x=2 cos the quadratic has no solutions.
and y=2^2=4

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 08:14:03 am »
i did not understand the method here...

Use of gradients of tangents and perpendicular lines...  :-\ Nope?

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2010, 10:31:18 am »
i finally decided to ask my sir for help, but he is on vacation to malaysia.
i will ask my friends, because they use some different method.

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 06:26:20 pm »
Sorry, was in a hurry...

Okay, lemme try to explain what I used.

Point on curve closest to (18, 0).

In general, when you're required to find the closest distance, you look for a line perpendicular to your point.

If I give you a set of parallel lines, the closest distance between them is the perpendicular height.

That's what I used. The tangent to the point (you are required to find) on the curve must be perpendicular to the line joining the point required (on the curve) and (18, 0).

I tried to draw it... Don't laugh, did that too in a hurry. :P  ;D



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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2010, 10:36:30 am »
lol thanks for the effort , the drawing is good :D :P

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2010, 05:22:05 pm »
lol thanks for the effort , the drawing is good :D :P


Come-well! :D

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Re: Derivative - Max and Min application!
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2010, 12:00:23 pm »
Hey you got the answer??