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Alpha:
Zara, Shoushou...

We don't care about the length, we care about the contents.  ;)

SHOT  ;) :D!

@Nid, we have only 2 pages for this one... Come on, did your teacher never tell you that reading is a good habit to cultivate?  ;) :P

Hehe, when I was a kid too, okay, I still am one, I wanted to work for them too! We share the same fantasy. LOL  :D

nid404:

--- Quote from: ~Alpha on December 01, 2009, 12:36:48 pm ---Zara, Shoushou...

We don't care about the length, we care about the contents.  ;)

SHOT  ;) :D!

@Nid, we have only 2 pages for this one... Come on, did your teacher never tell you that reading is a good habit to cultivate?  ;) :P

Hehe, when I was a kid too, okay, I still am one, I wanted to work for them too! We share the same fantasy. LOL  :D

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arreh baba.....im tooo lazy to read now :P

Alpha:

--- Quote from: nid404 on December 01, 2009, 12:40:36 pm ---arreh baba.....im tooo lazy to read now :P

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Arreh... Didn't your Mum tell you now, Laziness is a bad habit!!!  :P  :D :D :D

Alright, am just kidding... Peace  :)

O.T.13.:

Couldn't you make it simpler to distinguish?  :P

lol i thought about that after i posted. well you see you put my qriting in normal and urs in bold, i thought u did vice-versa lol  :D

What I meant in simpler terms:
You say money is not enough to solve socio-economic problems. You agree actors shouldn't be paid that much money. I know. Then, remove money from THERE, why should we remove from space?

WEll not remove, just don't add as much as there already is is what i meant lol. I still think its a lot of money, but since its already bin started, then we myte as well see them finish off what they started instead of just leaving it half way unfinished
 

We also have so many problems in our own houses, then why should we spend our time and resources solving society's problems? Why should we spend money helping other nations when there are so many problems in our own countries? Why should we spend so much to cross the oceans when we have so many problems here on land? Why should we worry about our neighbours? Don't we have enough worries ourselves?

We have so many problems here on Earth, then why should we spend so much money in space? WHY?
We should explore space BECAUSE we have so many problems here on Earth.



Reaching new heights, crossing boundaries and going beyond the unexpected often creates new opportunities for finding solutions and identifying the inputs (or resources) needed to implement these solutions. More than that, it brings back hope to the starting point. Light from outside the cave can help to get rid of the darkness which is inside the cave.

Deforestation, famine, poverty, overpopulation, unemployment, the economic crisis, all of these problems diverge from the SAME source-- WE LACK RESOURCES.


well yea okay thats convincing enough for me  ;D


I correct something here. Money is not a resource, but a financial asset, economically speaking. We can't ignore the economic concept since it is directly related to rational. Money is merely an asset, a medium of exchange, it is not a raw material. Money itself does not bring about any output. Rather it helps to acquire the resources needed.

well yea (i took economics before, but i am a bit rusty obviously) but money is the main incentive for the labour to raise their productivity (i think, cant remember) ryte?

So what if it would take a long time to find some other habitable place (which is unlikely) or 'build' a place in space capable of sustaining life (which is more likely)? The problem IS there, we should make a start somewhere.

Space exploration triggers research and development. It catalyzes technological advancement, including power, computing, nanotechnology, biotechnology, communications, networking, robotics... It creates a growing need for more educated people, for astronauts, engineers, astronomers-- it creates employment. Evolving technology and greater brain power can help us solve problems HERE on Earth.

Well okay, again you got me there, again  :)

The world's oil and gas reserves are being depleted. That's why we should explore space to find other substitutes.



You are worried about the cost? What about lives??
Traces of water, which is a key ingredient to life, have been found on Mars and the moons of Jupiter. Maybe now we don't have the means or need to bring that water down to Earth. But what will happen if our water reserves here are completely dried up? From where will we find more water to satisfy our future generations' daily needs?

i'm sure by that time the world would have come to an end  :D i really cant see us or our grandchildren living in a spaceship  :D

Uncertainty-- to me, uncertainty has been playing a lame role in history. Our earlier hunter gatherers were not sure they would find food in the seas and oceans if they left searching for it on land. Christopher Columbus didn't know there would be a vast continent behind the horizon. Earlier astronomers either didn't know there would be other planets sharing our Solar System.

This is the very essence of exploration-- we explore BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. Because there may and may not be. Our problems here on Earth NEED to be solves because there is NOWHERE to go yet.  Exploration has been the greatest justification since ever. Till we do not EXPLORE space, we will continue to gaze at the stars from the ground and keep wondering about what's there above our heads.

okay, can i change sides now? :P

My friend, Stephen Hawking, wants to help me with his quote (Alright, am kidding  :P):

"We once thought we were at the centre of the Universe. Then we thought the sun was. Eventually, we realised we were just on the edge of one of billions of galaxies. Soon we may have to humbly accept that our 3D universe is just one of many multi-dimensional worlds."


Now they have to find ways to utilize the untapped energy that can be derived from space, the mineral resources of the Moon.
"A two-kilometer-wide asteroid holds more metal than all the ore mined on Earth since the beginning of civilization. Half of asteroids are water rich."
We have here on Earth a scary demand for building materials and a pitiful supply. We can use space materials for our own construction purposes on Earth, for agriculture, metallurgy, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, welding, shipping, mining,... Brief, everything.  ;)

Mostly everything can be made in space at a cheaper cost using materials from there. Opportunities for us to expand, to create jobs, to do business and accumulate wealth can be created there in space, especially when we do not have enough space to expand down here.


Right, on the regions with potential-- space is a region with INFINITE potential!
it COULD have infinite potential, or it could all turn out to be traces, as you said uncertainty

Excerpt:

"The planets and moons bare the scars of a tumultuous history. None of them have gone through their lengthy existence unscathed by the violent impact of asteroids and comets.
Uranus was toppled off its axis by a giant planetoid the size of our own world and its moon Miranda was torn apart and reassembled in the process. Mars is a world that was murdered in its early infancy before it had any chance of completely fulfilling its promise of becoming an abode of life. Most of its crust and atmosphere were flayed and ejected into space by impacts with giant asteroids and comets.

Towards the late nineteenth and throughout the twentieth centuries some one hundred and fifty impact craters have been discovered on our own planetary abode. In the twentieth century two impacts occurred in Eastern Russia. On June 30th, 1908, Moscow escaped destruction by three hours and four thousand kilometres—when an object some 70 meters in diameter impacted the Siberian region of Tunguska with the explosive yield of 1000 Hiroshima bombs. On February 12th, 1947, another Russian city had a still narrower escape, when the second great meteorite of the last century detonated less than four hundred kilometres from Vladivostok in a rain of rock and iron. On August 10th, 1972 the Earth survived a near direct hit and escaped with a mere flesh wound when a meteorite zoomed over the state of Wyoming and grazed the upper atmosphere and bounced back into space before thousands of eyewitnesses. Its blazing trail was even captured on film.

In the early 1980s evidence slowly accumulated that sixty-five million years ago the reign of the dinosaurs ended with a huge bang and ensuing fire storm. Before that violent mass extinctions occurred like clockwork throughout the evolutionary history of life on Earth.

The Moon, a world of on our very doorstep, provides a clear warning for all to see that our world is living on borrowed time. In the chronicle of Gervase an eyewitness account was given of a massive impact on the eastern limb of the Moon that occurred on June 25th, 1178. Evidence is also coming to light that June, despite our fondness for this month because of weddings and the promise of summer holidays to come, holds potential dangers for humanity. The Taurid beta meteor shower is one we must study in detail. It is the progenitor of both the Tunguska fireball and the object that created the blast recorded by Gervase, and lurking in its wake are more potential disasters to come.

In the late 20th century archaeological evidence has come to light that many late Bronze Age civilizations may have met their demise in a rain of fire from the sky. Back in July, 1994 during the week of the 25th anniversary marking man's first steps on the Moon the heavens provided a massive fireworks display of their own to mark the occasion. The planet Jupiter sustained twenty individual impacts from the fragments left over from the disintegration of the comet Shoemaker–Levy 9. Any one of these impacts would have been sufficient in themselves to wipe life off the face of our globe in a real Extinction Level Event (E.L.E).
Yet despite all this accumulated evidence we continue to go about our humdrum worldly concerns, abandoning any attention to the heavens and the dangers that lurk in the local celestial neighbourhood. We face the celestial equivalent of a 9/11. Humanity can no longer ignore the objective reality that its long term existence is imperilled. We either become a spacefaring civilization or face the fate of the dinosaurs."


Talking of money, $ 12 million is spent per hour in Iraq by the US government while the NASA takes less then 1% of the US budget.
yea, we talked about that before :P

To what extent do we depend on the internet? How many businesses will shrink without it? What would be the state of our fields and farms were there no satellites to predict weather changes? What would have happened to the ozone hole? The Sun will boil our oceans in 50 million years. Where then do we go?
WE would been gone to God's mercy long time before that  :D

Exploring space helps us to know about planets, understand their functioning, identify the factors that affect them. Our Earth is a planet too, isn't it?
External factors can affect us all here. What happens there in space can influence what happens here on ground. Space is not OUTSIDE, WE are inside.
Space exploration is not spending money on what is not a part of us, WE are a part of the universe.

Exploring space may cost money. But NOT exploring space is much, much more expensive.

No, I still stick to what I had said earlier.  :P
Brains are more important than resources. Investing twice, thrice, a thousand times, a billion times into a failing project does not make it a successful one.

i repeat, i am confused

The world has about a 60 trillion/year economy. We do not lack money. What we lack are proper planning, fruitful efforts, productive use of this money. Equal distribution, better thinking and responsible citizens-- these are the real ingredients for a more peaceful and better world.
Use cement, wood, steel, glass, thatches, leaves, or whatever you want, if you don't have land, you would better throw all your materials in the ocean.  :P
If you don't have the essential ingredients, you are just throwing your money away.
equal distribution and better education, i still believe that these are the two things we need for solving the present problems, space exploration, no matter how fruitful it is, will not be of much value if we end up with the half the world falling to famine and the other half declaring war on underdeveloped countries tryna establish nuclear forces

Can we prevent Global Warming without exploring space?? I've already discussed about the other problems above.

Even a slight knowledge about what is bigger and more powerful than us can help us bring great changes to OUR lives, OUR problems. We all know Nature's Law: Survival of the Fittest. The race which explores, opens new doors, expands, colonizes, dares the difficult and softens the hard is the race that survives. I have not invented it, history is witness. Since the beginning of time, the weaker ones have been conquered or destroyed by the stronger ones. Civilizations that have learnt to survive on Earth are those whose existence have been carried forward to the future. We are exploring because we are learning to survive in space.


Leave alone all the reasons. Our own human nature pushes us to explore, as Master said. (By the way, where is he lost?  :P)
he comes and goes, doesnt settle down too often lol
Life is worth living till life is worth discovering. Today humanity has the potential to seek answers to questions that before were unimaginable.
We wonder, look out for the undiscovered and step in, crossing all frontiers.
We explore beyond the Earth for the same reason that Mount Everest was climbed:
"Because it is there."

gota admit you're pretty damn convincing  :)

 :)

Alpha:
Am sorry, you reply almost instantaneously... And I.... ::)
Wasn't home for some time. Just came back.  ;)



--- Quote ---WEll not remove, just don't add as much as there already is is what i meant lol. I still think its a lot of money, but since its already bin started, then we myte as well see them finish off what they started instead of just leaving it half way unfinished
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Yup, space exploration has already been started, it's stupid to end it now... Especially when a "lot of money" has been invested in!  ;)


Ya, money is the main incentive to increase labour productivity. But labour is not the only resource.

It's sense to be always thinking about the future, even though YOU yourself may not be there. Like it was sense when our forefathers planted trees and watered them regularly for us to be able to reap the fruits now. I know we live in the present, but we shouldn't forget either that the future for us is what will be the present for others.


--- Quote ---i really cant see us or our grandchildren living in a spaceship   :D
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My grandfather's grand grandfather as well couldn't see Man walking on the Moon!  :D :P


--- Quote ---it COULD have infinite potential, or it could all turn out to be traces, as you said uncertainty
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Okay, I said uncertainty for the future... Still with "It COULD"?
It already DID... Didn't it?
And if it DID in the past, probability that it DOES in the future, logically, should be higher.
Man has till now not been able to even estimate space's dimension. How can you underestimate space?  ;)

Okay, let it be, the confusion... Doesn't matter.  :)


--- Quote ---equal distribution and better education, i still believe that these are the two things we need for solving the present problems, space exploration, no matter how fruitful it is, will not be of much value if we end up with the half the world falling to famine and the other half declaring war on underdeveloped countries tryna establish nuclear forces
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Yes, I didn't deny either... BUT the problem is not money, it's EQUAL DISTRIBUTION, which, in turn, depends on BETTER EDUCATION. The world has money, it just doesn't use this money as it should be!
Famine, wars and space... You don't stop medication for cholera if you have got diarrhea, do you?


--- Quote ---gota admit you're pretty damn convincing   :)
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Thank You  :)

Debating is more concerned with the WAY you fight your cause, rather than the cause you're fighting.

I'm gonna admit too...

Actually, I had wanted to be debating against space exploration... but when I read everybody's previous posts, I realised that the arguments were not balanced... Why not go for it then?  ;)

You're a good partner to debate with. Thank you for being there.  :) For not abandoning.  ;)

You still got few points yet, keep to the same side.  ;)


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