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This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« on: November 01, 2009, 07:14:22 pm »
This topic is tken from doha debates

I found it quite intresting so thought of posting it here

r u for or against it?

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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2009, 12:11:11 am »
The history of iran is not one of aggression. They should not be stopped from having the bomb by america's say so.

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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 06:17:38 pm »
doha debates hahaha!
did u join it ?

and yes they should have the right to build what they want, if america feels that they are being threatened its cuz of the way they treat them, if they treat them well and be supportive they wont get hit :)
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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2009, 06:19:52 pm »
yup i am going on the 9th of nov.you?
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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2009, 06:22:19 pm »
Ofcourse they should have right tob uild their nuclear weapon!!
for the sake of safty.
America has one too
of amercia can have it why does it not allow others to have one??
are they scared? cause thier power would not b as stron as it was ?
or they dont want any  MUSLIM COUNTRIES to have one?
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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2009, 07:27:18 pm »

Mana!
I wanted to  post this topic!  :P
How did u steal this idea from my mind??


anyway-
Most of the countries in the world have these nuclear weapons...
Why do they only complain abt Iran??

We were discussing that with the TOK teacher today ;)

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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2009, 07:52:21 pm »
Just joined the forum and stumbled across this topic...

You might find this article interesting:

A GOOD ARTICLE COURTESY OF STWC

The US government’s complaints about Iran have reached a new level of shrillness. On September 25 Obama declared: "Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follow."

The heads of America’s British, French, and German puppet states added their two cents worth, giving the government of Iran three months to meet the "international community’s demands" to give up its rights as a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty to nuclear energy.

Here is Obama, with troops engaged in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan demanding that In case you don’t know, the term "international community" is shorthand for the US, Israel, and Europe, a handful of arrogant and rich countries that oppress the rest of the world.

Who is breaking the rules? Iran or the United States?

Treaty

Iran is insisting that the US government abide by the non-proliferation treaty that the US originated and pushed and that Iran signed.

But the US government, which is currently engaged in three wars of aggression and has occupying troops in a number of other countries, insists that Iran, which is invading and occupying no country, cannot be trusted with nuclear energy capability, because the capability might in the future lead to nuclear weapon capability, like Israel’s, India’s, and Pakistan’s--all non-signatories to the nuclear proliferation treaty, countries that, unlike Iran, have never submitted to IAEA inspections.

Indeed, at this very moment the Israeli government is screaming and yelling "anti-semite" to the suggestion that Israel submit to IAEA inspections. Iran has submitted to the IAEA inspections for years.

In keeping with its obligations under the treaty, on September 21 Iran disclosed to the International Atomic Energy Agency that it is constructing another nuclear facility. The British prime minister Gordon Brown confused Iran’s disclosure with "serial deception," and declared, "We will not let this matter rest."

What matter? Why does Gordon Brown think that Iran’s disclosure to the IAEA is a deception. Does the moronic UK prime minister mean that Iran is claiming to be constructing a plant but is not, and thus by claiming one is deceiving the world?

Not to be outdone in idiocy, out of Obama’s mouth jumped Orwellian doublespeak: "The Iranian government must now demonstrate through deeds its peaceful intentions or be held accountable to international standards and international law."

The incongruity blows the mind. Here is Obama, with troops engaged in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan demanding that a peaceful nation at war with no one demonstrate "its peaceful intentions or be held accountable to international standards and international law."

It is the US government and its NATO puppet states, and militarist Israel, of course, that need to be held accountable to international law. Under international law the US, its NATO puppets, and Israel are war criminal governments. There is no doubt about it. The record is totally clear. The US, Israel, and the NATO puppet states have committed military aggression exactly as did Germany’s Third Reich, and they have murdered large numbers of civilians. Following the Fuhrer’s script, "the great democratic republics" have justified these acts of lawlessness with lies and deceptions.

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The efforts to build pressure for acts of war against Iran continue despite the repeated declaration from the IAEA that there is no sign of an Iranian nuclear weapons program, and despite the reaffirmation by US intelligence agencies that Iran abandoned its nuclear weapons program years ago.

Meanwhile, the US and Israeli governments, who are so solicitous of international law and holding accountable countries that violate it, have moved to prevent the report of Judge Richard Goldstone from reaching the UN Security Council. Why?

Judge Goldstone’s report found Israel guilty of war crimes in its massive military assault against civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza.

The continuous efforts of the world’s two militarist-aggressor states--the United States and Israel--to demonize Iran was addressed by Ahmadinejad in his speech to the UN General Assembly (September 23). Ahmadinejad spoke of the assault on human dignity and spiritual values by the selfish material interests of the US and its puppet states. Seeking hegemony "under the mantle of freedom," the US and its puppets use "the ugliest methods of intimidation and deceit" to disguise that they are "the first who violate" the fundamental principles that they espouse and apply to others.

Why, Ahmadinejad asked the UN General Assembly, do the countries of the world sit there while Israel murders and dispossesses the Palestinian people?

Why, asked Ahmadinejad, do the countries of the world sit there while the US, from thousands of miles away, sends troops to the Middle East, "spreading war, bloodshed, aggression, terror and intimidation in the whole region," while blaming the countries that are suffering the West’s naked aggression?

Ahmadinejad told the General Assembly what most of the UN representatives already know, that "selfishness and insatiable greed have taken the place of such humanitarian concepts as love, sacrifice, dignity, and justice. . . . Lies have taken the place of honesty; hypocrisy has replaced integrity, and selfishness has taken the place of sacrifice. Deception in foreign affairs is called foresight and statesmanship, looting the wealth of other nations is called development efforts; occupation is said to be a gift that promotes freedom and democracy; and defenseless nations are subjected to repression in the name of defending human rights."

It could not be put any clearer. However, if Ahmadinejad’s speech is reported by the US print and TV media, statements will be taken out of context and used to enrage the conservatives and Christian Zionists in order to unify them behind the Obama/Israeli assault on Iran. America will not be satisfied until, like Rome, she has more enemies and more wars than she can survive.
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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2009, 07:56:10 pm »
Mana!
I wanted to  post this topic!  :P
How did u steal this idea from my mind??


anyway-
Most of the countries in the world have these nuclear weapons...
Why do they only complain abt Iran??

We were discussing that with the TOK teacher today ;)

Haha i read minds,no we werent discussining this topic lol
we were discussing prejudism,racism,n that thing where  a character potrays -ive thing about a race u know wht i mean??
like toms nanny hahahah

n By the way this topic is in the Doha Debates
Inshalla ill put u for the next one:)
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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2009, 08:02:26 pm »
But quite frankly... I don't think any nation should be allowed to possess nuclear weapons... they are causing too many problems as it is. The nuclear bomb is, essentially, an anti-civilian weapon, and I find in very strange that nations are trying to ban the use of cluster bombs, but nuclear proliferation is supported by many. No nation should have the right to possess nuclear armaments - whether it's the United States, Iran, India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea or whatever... And I think the Americans are real hypocrites, considering the fact the they're the only ones to ever use nuclear bombs, and that to, against millions of defenseless civilians (But they tried to justify it much as they are trying to justify their illegal war on terror). No one has been brought to justice in America, and the perpetrators of the massacre are still regarded as heroes... why then should other nations take the Americans seriously? They are engaged in so many illegal wars worldwide, and have over the years toppled countless democratically elected regimes... "in the name of freedom". Yeah right... more like oil, which Iran has a lot of as a matter of fact...
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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2009, 08:04:25 pm »
the nuclear bombs has "made in USA " or "made in UK"written on them
my Teacher told me once he went to Labnon n he was residing on the borders so he saw it
it is indeed absurd
how u manufacure things sell it n call the parties Terrorist but infact its u cuz u want it to b done however u dont want people to know the real you
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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 08:11:03 pm »
That's the thing... most of the Taliban in Afghanistan were trained by the Americans to fight against the Soviets... and now they are being hunted down by their creators. Saddam Hussein had America's support until he decided to change the oil-trading currency from the dollar to the euro. That's when America deposed him "in the name of freedom" and took control of the oil fields. Even now, I've heard that the oil fields are more heavily guarded by American soldiers than any other part of the country. America's foreign policy is clearly based on a thirst for wealth and natural resources. They're losing any credibility that they once had.
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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 04:33:51 am »
Haha i read minds,no we werent discussining this topic lol
we were discussing prejudism,racism,n that thing where  a character potrays -ive thing about a race u know wht i mean??
like toms nanny hahahah

n By the way this topic is in the Doha Debates
Inshalla ill put u for the next one:)

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and I'm sure you'll put me next time-
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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 04:57:11 am »
Yeah I knw...
and I'm sure you'll put me next time-
Or else!




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aha?? or else ??or else what:P
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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 04:59:16 am »

u'll write my name anyway!

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Re: This House trusts Iran not to build a nuclear bomb
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 05:01:15 am »
u'll write my name anyway!
yes i will i have 3 names lets hope we get more seats:)
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