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Offline mousa

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maths help!!
« on: September 24, 2009, 07:15:40 pm »
hey everyone , well i got stuck on those questions , astar, nid.. anybody..
help me out!..plz i need workin out with reasoning..

1, let p,with coorinates (p,q), be a fixed point on the 'curve ' with equation y=mx+c and let Q with coordinates (r,s), be any other point on y=mx+c . use the fact  thar the coordinates of p and Q satisfy the equation y=mx+c to  show that the gradient of PQ is m for all positions of Q.

2 there are some values of  a, b and c for which the equation ax+by+c=0 does not represent a straight line. give an example of such values


3 two lines have equations  y=m1x+c1 and y=m2x+c2 and m1m2=-1. prove that the lines are perpendicular.


Thanks in advance..

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Re: maths help!!
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 07:50:02 pm »
Will answer his tom definitely....have an exam tom..so sorry...tom for sure

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Re: maths help!!
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 12:12:10 am »
I answered these questions somewhere else. m1m2=-1 is the def of perpendicular.

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Re: maths help!!
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 06:08:22 am »
the answer for the third one is dere in the question itself..

if m1*m2 = -1

the lines are perpendicular...
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Re: maths help!!
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 08:23:12 am »
the answer for the third one is dere in the question itself..

if m1*m2 = -1

the lines are perpendicular...
nope the answer aint in the question...........we did this q in schl a few days ago.....the teacher gave us a weird sort of proof....ill post it when i find it :)
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Re: maths help!!
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 08:32:27 am »
this is what i remember from my add. math book

"two non-vertical lines with gradients m1 and m2 are perpendicular if m1*m2 = -1"

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 08:35:37 am »
oh no adi adi it's not as simple as that.....
I'll do it in sometime...I'm just  back from an exam which i am sure to flunk......I mixed my reagents and my practicals was such a mess >:( >:( >:( :( :( :'( :'( :'(

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Re: maths help!!
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 08:38:09 am »
oh no adi adi it's not as simple as that.....
I'll do it in sometime...I'm just  back from an exam which i am sure to flunk......I mixed my reagents and my practicals was such a mess >:( >:( >:( :( :( :'( :'( :'(

ooohh1!! nid,  chem practical?

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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2009, 08:40:39 am »
ohh..okk...sure..
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Re: maths help!!
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2009, 08:42:15 am »
but i am sure that m1*m2 means perpendicular
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Re: maths help!!
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2009, 08:43:40 am »
the third one is 0...

a=0 b=0 c=0
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2009, 08:48:33 am »
ooohh1!! nid,  chem practical?

yeah....why can't they name the damn things with the name of the substance rather than complicate it....FA1, FA2....F**k u...

and here's the m1m2=-1 proof

Slope of a given line= tan theta (delta y/ delta X)
So if there are two slopes m1 and m2
1 having inclination of theta, then m1=tan theta....Other line has inclination pi/2 + theta......i hope you can visualize this
then m2= tan (pi/2 +theta)=-cot theta(-1/tan theta) => m1m2=-1
« Last Edit: September 25, 2009, 08:54:59 am by nid404 »

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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2009, 09:02:17 am »
 let p,with coorinates (p,q), be a fixed point on the 'curve ' with equation y=mx+c and let Q with coordinates (r,s), be any other point on y=mx+c . use the fact  thar the coordinates of p and Q satisfy the equation y=mx+c to  show that the gradient of PQ is m for all positions of Q.


ok..

Same logic...
m=tan theta
P=(p,q)
Q=(r,s)

tan theta= s-q / r-p
For any value of (r,s) on y=mx+c, (tan theta) will be constant, hence m will be constant


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Re: maths help!!
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2009, 09:46:22 am »
Maybe they meant to start from pre first principles ie the principle before the principle

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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2009, 11:20:56 am »
Maybe they meant to start from pre first principles ie the principle before the principle

didn't get that ???