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Add math doubt...astar plz help
« on: June 30, 2009, 12:24:34 pm »
m/j 2008 paper 1 additional math
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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 10:44:17 am »
I cant do this until i get to a pc. Someone else can have a go.

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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 10:51:01 am »
I tried to download the paper to answer the question but it may be corrupted.

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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2009, 11:38:44 am »
find it attached
plzz help
i'm really stuck
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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2009, 06:58:25 pm »
astar u dere
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i uploaded the question too..
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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2009, 08:11:41 pm »
Ok, I will answer this question.

(i) If u look closely it says that the ship sails 'north east'. hence its unit vector north east will be (i+j)/ square root of 2. And since velocity has both speed and direction, its velocity = 15* square root of 2 * the unit vector which = 15i + 15j

(ii) Since we have established that the velocity in the stated direction is 15i + 15j, the distance it has traveled at 10:30 can be found by multiplying 1.5 into the velocity. which = 22.5i + 22.5j. But since they have asked for the position vector, it will be equal to 22.5i + 22.5j + 2i + 3j = 24.5i + 25.5j

(iii) Similarly for part three; the distance travelled t hours after leaving = (15t)i + (15t)j. Hence in terms of 't' the position will be = (15t + 2)i + (15t + 3)j

(iv) In this subquestion they have simply asked for the velocity of the ship relative to the submarine (Vssu) = Velocity of ship - Velocity of submarine = 
        (15i + 15j) - (25j). NOTE: 25j is because it is only travelling north. = 15i -10j

Answer to final part in the next post




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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2009, 08:20:18 pm »
Assuming t = the time when the two bodies meet.

After 't' hours the position vector of the ship = (2 + 15t)i + (3+ 15t)j

After 't' hours the position vector of the submarine = 47i + (-27+ 25t)j.

At their point of collision, the position vectors should be the same. Hence to find 't' we equate: 47 = 2 + 15t. Therefore, t = 3 hours

Hence final position vector can be found by substituting t in any one of the position vectors which should be 47i + 48j.

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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2009, 09:07:46 pm »
I will try it tomorrow. I cant download it to my phone and open it.

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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 07:34:38 am »
Thamks guitarman

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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 11:41:42 am »
why will it be i+j/root 2
didnt get the first part itself?
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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2009, 01:53:56 pm »
Resolving vertically: 1cos45=1/sqrt(2) ie j/sqrt(2)

resolving horizontally  1cos45=1/sqrt(2) ie i/sqrt(2)

unit vector is  i/sqrt(2)+ j/sqrt(2)=(i+j)/sqrt(2)

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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2009, 04:17:33 pm »
could u plz provide me with a digram regarding its movement
does it move from O to P and then further parllel to the x-axis

wht does relative to the orgin mean?
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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2009, 04:19:16 pm »
Resolving vertically: 1cos45=1/sqrt(2) ie j/sqrt(2)

resolving horizontally  1cos45=1/sqrt(2) ie i/sqrt(2)

unit vector is  i/sqrt(2)+ j/sqrt(2)=(i+j)/sqrt(2)
which rule have u applied
how come cos 45
where is 45 degree
plz explain clearly
i am totlly blank abt this question
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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2009, 07:51:53 pm »
i think astar explained it in a slightly complicated manner but u get (i+j)/ root 2 by simply finding the unit vector  :P which is the vector (i+j) divided by its magnitude which is root 2 (found by pythagoras of '1')

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Re: Add math doubt...astar plz help
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2009, 07:36:12 pm »
what are the steps to find a unit vector??
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