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Should Muslims support Israel?

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Flamed-Ghoust:


First thank you for your welcome

Second i never said that it is in the Quran, i said "their day will come just as Allah has promised us."
But it is in the Sunnah that Israel will be kicked out, which means the prophet said that, and what the prophet promises us is also a promise from Allah.

Third I never said that Israel ran away from Hitler i said the Jews, and those Jews are the ones who formed Israel again and took over Palestine. And you just proved what i said about Israel is that they cause trouble and were hated wherever they went. They were exterminated by Hitler as Jews not Israel, and as Jews they did not cause any trouble, but as Israel they did.

Fourth the graph you placed in there is not comparing Israel's population with Palestine's population, it compares Arabs with Jews.

And if you want to tell me that Israel is not doing a good job in murdering children and women here is the proof

https://www.google.com.qa/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=pictures+of+dead+palestinian+children&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41867550,d.bmk&biw=1034&bih=942&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=JfsPUYP4H9HhrAfTxIGoDQ

Now for the last thing, I do not hate Jews because they are humans like me and you and because god said i am supposed to respect them since they follow a divine religion, but i hate Israel because they killed many of my brothers and sister in Islam.


I am just saying my point of view, so please don't take any of what i said as being aggressive and i hope we stay friends in the forum as we should be.

$tyli$h Executive:

--- Quote from: Flamed-Ghoust on February 04, 2013, 06:21:05 pm ---
First thank you for your welcome

Second i never said that it is in the Quran, i said "their day will come just as Allah has promised us."
But it is in the Sunnah that Israel will be kicked out, which means the prophet said that, and what the prophet promises us is also a promise from Allah.

--- End quote ---

This is where the problem is. Sunnah comes from sources 250 years later after the quran, which are undoubtedly shaped by the political atmosphere at that time. So, at least the political ones can't be trusted.

You can find anything you wish  from sunnah... here you go, according to this sunnah, not just jews, you should also kill all Turks:

 “This is a sign for the doomsday, too: You will fight the people who wear shoes which are
 made of bristle and kill them. The fight against the people with wide shield faces is a sign for the doomsday. The doomsday won't come until you kill the little eyed, red faced, pug nosed, shield faced, thick skinned Turks.."( Bukhari, e's-Sahih, kitabu'l-Cihad/95; Muslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'l-Fiten/66, hadith #: 2912; ?bn Maja, hadith #: 4097-4098).


--- Quote ---Third I never said that Israel ran away from Hitler i said the Jews, and those Jews are the ones who formed Israel again and took over Palestine. And you just proved what i said about Israel is that they cause trouble and were hated wherever they went. They were exterminated by Hitler as Jews not Israel, and as Jews they did not cause any trouble, but as Israel they did.
--- End quote ---

No, Jews do not cause trouble wherever they go. In fact, community where Jews go always prospers. Palestine was a wasteland and backwater under Arab and Ottoman rule. After Jews took over Israel, Israel is now one of the richest country in the middle east, has first-class infrastructure, only true democracy in middle east, most technologically advanced and  so on.

Jews did not take over Palestine. Their connection to Jerusalem dates back thousands of years and they have always lived there (under King David and Solomon). After Balfour declaration by British, which was accepted by Arab leaders, Jewish immigration increased to Palestine.


--- Quote ---Fourth the graph you placed in there is not comparing Israel's population with Palestine's population, it compares Arabs with Jews.
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The graph is of the arab and jewish population of Israel. If Israel wanted to exterminate arabs, as you claim here, such an explosive growth of Arab population wouldn't have been possible.


--- Quote ---And if you want to tell me that Israel is not doing a good job in murdering children and women here is the proof

https://www.google.com.qa/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=pictures+of+dead+palestinian+children&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41867550,d.bmk&biw=1034&bih=942&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Jf
--- End quote ---

Most of the pictures circulating are fakes... Google "pallywood", you will learn more about palestinian lies


--- Quote ---Now for the last thing, I do not hate Jews because they are humans like me and you and because god said i am supposed to respect them since they follow a divine religion, but i hate Israel because they killed many of my brothers and sister in Islam.
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If you don't hate jews, why do you have nothing to say about the 800,000 Jews who were expelled from Arab countries? Are they not human?

You hate israel, but you don't hate kuwait (expelled 450,000 palestinians) or pakistan/jordan (killed 25,000 palestinians).

You have nothing to say about the Arab countries who for 60 years didn't give Palestinians citizenship and have discriminatory laws against them.

You have nothing to say about the wars Arab countries initiated to destroy Israel. And so on.

astarmathsandphysics:
Watch what happens now in Iran.
Everybody, even Jews, might find themselves condemning Israel if they attack Iran after a nuclear deal is struck.

astarmathsandphysics:
I heard that Israel is trying to persuade Palestinian Christians to join the Israeli Army.
They are trying to split the Palestinians.

astarmathsandphysics:
Divide and conquer

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