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« on: August 10, 2012, 11:23:38 am »
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/mecca-for-the-rich-islams-holiest-site-turning-into-vegas-2360114.html

Its shocking and ridiculous. The state of muslims, worldwide, I believe, is extremely bad. Our Ummah is in the trench of ignorance and this is the last thing any one of us would ever want. Please pray this never happens. I hope Allah protects us all.

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2012, 11:54:03 pm »
Yes shocking. We are all moving in slow motion to the same tacky future.

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 02:11:04 am »
What are they going to get from this? Sparkly lightings and fame?

Sick.


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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 06:49:13 am »
Dinky little models of Jeddah in cocA cola colours.

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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2012, 06:50:49 am »
What are the Kings doing?

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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 02:52:57 pm »
I don't see any problem with that at all. Luxury hotels, malls, skyscrapers and glitters only increase the beauty of Mecca and make it more adoring to everyone. Especially the pilgrims who go there would have a better experience. I would also like to see non Muslims freely allowed to visit the city. Combined, Saudi Arabia can be a major tourist destination in the future if it can shape things the right way.

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"No one has the balls to stand up and condemn this cultural vandalism," says Dr Irfan al-Alawi who, as executive director of the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation, has fought in vain to protect his country's historical sites. "We have already lost 400-500 sites. I just hope it's not too late to turn things around."

"Culture"/"religion"/"tradition" has always been an excuse for backwardness and barbaric practices everywhere. It is very nice to see Saudi Arabia progressing towards a more liberal culture. Slowly, but surely, Arabian peninsula is modernizing and progressing. Not surprisingly, the ones with a regressive mindset object to this, presenting their "culture" and "tradition" as excuses for living the 7th century in 2012. Wake up, this is not the 7th century anymore!
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 03:06:13 pm »
Every hotel/skyscraper/casino in Mecca should have a cherry on top. That will satisfy me.

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2012, 06:17:02 pm »
I don't see any problem with that at all. Luxury hotels, malls, skyscrapers and glitters only increase the beauty of Mecca and make it more adoring to everyone. Especially the pilgrims who go there would have a better experience. I would also like to see non Muslims freely allowed to visit the city. Combined, Saudi Arabia can be a major tourist destination in the future if it can shape things the right way.

"Culture"/"religion"/"tradition" has always been an excuse for backwardness and barbaric practices everywhere. It is very nice to see Saudi Arabia progressing towards a more liberal culture. Slowly, but surely, Arabian peninsula is modernizing and progressing. Not surprisingly, the ones with a regressive mindset object to this, presenting their "culture" and "tradition" as excuses for living the 7th century in 2012. Wake up, this is not the 7th century anymore!

After 3000 years, the Egyptian pyramids today are a treasure bigger than the Kohinoor diamond. The older architectural buildings are, the more of history they've witnessed, the stronger they are deemed to be, the higher is their value.

Not a wise choice to wait for their destruction and then realise their worth.

Culture is a way of life. The English that you are using is part of an old culture too. Thanks to it, we now have libraries that before people couldn't even imagine would exist, and this sharing of knowledge has brought about tremendous progress. Everything in culture isn't bad.  :)

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2012, 07:11:15 pm »
After 3000 years, the Egyptian pyramids today are a treasure bigger than the Kohinoor diamond. The older architectural buildings are, the more of history they've witnessed, the stronger they are deemed to be, the higher is their value.

Not a wise choice to wait for their destruction and then realise their worth.

Culture is a way of life. The English that you are using is part of an old culture too. Thanks to it, we now have libraries that before people couldn't even imagine would exist, and this sharing of knowledge has brought about tremendous progress. Everything in culture isn't bad.

Millions of pilgrims don't go to circle around Pyramids. Plus, the objection of the traditionalists who would rather see millions of pilgrims stuffed in the midst of desert since Mecca was supposedly like that in 7th century, is not the culture. Their objection is the hotels, malls and other modern gimmicks which are springing up to accommodate the pilgrims. This is hardly anything related to culture.

Please explain how hotels and other gimmicks being constructed would "destroy" Mecca as you claimed? If anything, they make life easier for millions of pilgrims and increase tourism. :)

Perhaps, "culture" is an incorrect term I used. It would rather be a "traditional/regressive mindset".


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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2012, 07:26:34 pm »
I wonder how many people anything will last forever?
There is a bar somewhere in France that is suppose to be the perfect kilogram. It is sealed in a glass jar and very rarely touched. Still it's mass does not remain constant, so it is not as perfect as it should be. We can't put the pyramids in glass jars. One day they will all be sand.

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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2012, 04:58:10 pm »
I fear if I reply, this will turn into a long long debate. Later, we will fight. :P

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2012, 07:10:31 pm »
Good

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2012, 02:16:00 pm »
I fear if I reply, this will turn into a long long debate. Later, we will fight. :P

Debating = Fighting? :o :P

Later, we debate  :p

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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2012, 08:11:45 pm »
A long drawn out fierce debate is what we need here.

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2012, 04:34:22 am »
An ideal pilgrimage would allow you to go thru all the experiences that all the early Muslims and our beloved Prophet (pbuh) had gone thru. At least for the Muslims, Hajj is a type of Jihaad where you are supposed to leave behind all the luxuries and just engage yourself in worship...and having booked an air conditioned hotel room where I'd be served all the dishes I'd ever want to taste in my life would indeed encourage my 'nafs' even more and that would take over the real objective of Hajj.

Yes I do agree that things should be made easy for the pilgrims, but come on, when I go on a holiday to a certain place, don't I try to actually adapt to what is locally done and accepted? We all want to seek peace of mind which is far more important and essential than peace of your body. When you leave your home and come Mecca, and perform Hajj, adapting with the food and the slightest struggle you do in the path of Allah is also a part of your worship, definitely benefiting you spiritually more than you can think. I believe God has it upon Himself the responsibility of Mecca-Medina and I'm sure no human power, no matter how strong, can do anything that much to it. :).
The reason why really opened up this topic is cos I wanted us to reflect upon the way we're literally endangering our own religious values and morals. And before we know it, we'll see we've demolished our own selves. May Allah Protect us. Ameen. Peace. :)