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Re: ALL CIE CHEMISTRY DOUBTS HERE !!
« Reply #466 on: April 28, 2011, 09:03:09 pm »
2 H2S + 3O2  -> 2SO2 + 2H2O

Let oxi. no. of S be x

H2S => +2 + x = 0
sum of all oxidation states of atoms  0
so x = -2

SO2 => x + 2(-2)
x = +4

S => for any atom its 0

SO2 is reduced from +4 to 0

^This is what I did when i first saw the ques. After checking the ms I read the question again, however it clearly says "the oxidation numbers of each of the sulfur-containing substances in this reaction? "
which should be 0
and not oxi. no. of Sulfur in these compounds :/ If you get what I mean.

Sorry to complicate things all over again, I'm confused myself. Lets wait for someone smarter to conform

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Re: ALL CIE CHEMISTRY DOUBTS HERE !!
« Reply #467 on: April 28, 2011, 09:15:14 pm »
2 H2S + 3O2  -> 2SO2 + 2H2O

Let oxi. no. of S be x

H2S => +2 + x = 0
sum of all oxidation states of atoms  0
so x = -2

SO2 => x + 2(-2)
x = +4

S => for any atom its 0

SO2 is reduced from +4 to 0

^This is what I did when i first saw the ques. After checking the ms I read the question again, however it clearly says "the oxidation numbers of each of the sulfur-containing substances in this reaction? "
which should be 0
and not oxi. no. of Sulfur in these compounds :/ If you get what I mean.

Sorry to complicate things all over again, I'm confused myself. Lets wait for someone smarter to conform

I understand what you mean... they want us to find out the oxidation number for the element attached to sulphur and not sulphur itself, but I thought that the oxidation number for S is -2 cuz it's right below oxygen..  :-\ and for the second one, SO2, why did you find the oxidation number for sulphur and not oxygen, the way you did for the first one, H2S... the last one was pretty simple :)
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Re: ALL CIE CHEMISTRY DOUBTS HERE !!
« Reply #468 on: April 30, 2011, 04:53:38 pm »
i have a ques from paper 41 mj 10
3(c) The molecule dichlorocarbene, CCl2, can be produced under certain conditions. It is
highly unstable, reacting with water to produce carbon monoxide and a strongly acidic
solution.
(i) Suggest the electron arrangement in CCl2 and draw a dot-and-cross diagram
showing this. Predict the shape of the molecule.

th answer was
    ..            ..
Cl:C:Cl or Cl=C–Cl
+  –
bent or non-linear or angle = 100–140o

how do we arrive at this structure????
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Re: ALL CIE CHEMISTRY DOUBTS HERE !!
« Reply #469 on: April 30, 2011, 05:20:28 pm »
i have a ques from paper 41 mj 10
3(c) The molecule dichlorocarbene, CCl2, can be produced under certain conditions. It is
highly unstable, reacting with water to produce carbon monoxide and a strongly acidic
solution.
(i) Suggest the electron arrangement in CCl2 and draw a dot-and-cross diagram
showing this. Predict the shape of the molecule.

th answer was
    ..            ..
Cl:C:Cl or Cl=C–Cl
+  –
bent or non-linear or angle = 100–140o

how do we arrive at this structure????

One lone pair, two bond pairs. Repulsion between lone pairs and bond pairs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Dichlorocarbene-from-MW-2001-2D.png
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« Reply #470 on: April 30, 2011, 08:19:21 pm »
I understand what you mean... they want us to find out the oxidation number for the element attached to sulphur and not sulphur itself, but I thought that the oxidation number for S is -2 cuz it's right below oxygen..  :-\ and for the second one, SO2, why did you find the oxidation number for sulphur and not oxygen, the way you did for the first one, H2S... the last one was pretty simple :)

Okay, S8 is the molecule for sulfur, and is written as S in chemical eqaution, in the atomic form right? Hence, S is 0.

Ok, we know the oxidation state of oxygen, O,  which is -2.
So, S + O2 = 0
x + 2 (-2) = 0
x = -4

Cuz to find the oxidation no. for any atom X in a compound you're supposed to know the other as well.

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« Reply #471 on: May 01, 2011, 03:13:58 pm »
November 2006,

Q4 f and g
Q5 f ii)

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« Reply #472 on: May 01, 2011, 04:13:32 pm »
November 2006,

Q4 f and g
Q5 f ii)

Thank You :)
i am sory but can you tell us which paper

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« Reply #473 on: May 01, 2011, 04:14:56 pm »
i am sory but can you tell us which paper

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« Reply #474 on: May 01, 2011, 04:50:49 pm »
November 2006,

Q4 f and g
Q5 f ii)

Thank You :)

Q4 f) First of all cracking alkanes forms alkanes or alkenes, since Z is unsaturated then its an alkene CnH2n.
You found the molecular mass in ii) as 42 g so you can do it by trial and error or : 12n+(1)x(2n)=42 ---> 14n=42 ---> n=3 so its C3H6 (propene)
     g) whenever u show the monomer or a polymer, the molecule should be shown in the form of "ethene" so just show 2 molecules of propene (without double bond ofcourse) as the polymer....

Q5 f)ii)  solubility of water relates to hydrogen bonds... So the product must have formed hydrogen bonds with water...(usully from the hydroxyl group OH-)

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« Reply #475 on: May 01, 2011, 04:52:14 pm »
Q4 f) First of all cracking alkanes forms alkanes or alkenes, since Z is unsaturated then its an alkene CnH2n.
You found the molecular mass in ii) as 42 g so you can do it by trial and error or : 12n+(1)x(2n)=42 ---> 14n=42 ---> n=3 so its C3H6 (propene)
     g) whenever u show the monomer or a polymer, the molecule should be shown in the form of "ethene" so just show 2 molecules of propene (without double bond ofcourse) as the polymer....

Q5 f)ii)  solubility of water relates to hydrogen bonds... So the product must have formed hydrogen bonds with water...(usully from the hydroxyl group OH-)

Q5 It doesn't have to do anything with water being polar?  :-\
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« Reply #476 on: May 01, 2011, 04:55:23 pm »
Q5 It doesn't have to do anything with water being polar?  :-\
Hydrogen bonds are types of permanent dipole-dipole forces which exists only if the molecule is polar!!!!! But a polar molecule may have Permanent dipole forces but no hydrogen bonds...So u must mention tht hydrogen bonds form!

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« Reply #477 on: May 01, 2011, 05:16:10 pm »
+ Rep Thank You!!

Besides I've got more doubts,   :-[

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« Reply #478 on: May 01, 2011, 05:40:53 pm »
1 b)
covalent bond is due to the attraction between the nuclei and electrons and there is an attraction electrostatic forces


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« Reply #479 on: May 01, 2011, 05:51:49 pm »
2 e)i)

460K is Al2Cl6
1150K is AlCl3

2 e)ii)
in the attachment

2 e)iii)
in the attachment
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