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Title: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 02, 2009, 06:54:41 pm: As the parlimantry elections in my country (Kuwait) are comming up and many women have nominated them selves, the question is do you think women will change things in the parlimant and actually deserve to have a person's vote ?

In my opinion i say why the hell not ??? A woman is not THAT different from a man, women have brains and have a mouth (some have huge unstopable mouths - thats a compliment :P) and can figure things out. Why should politics only be a "man thing" it's like saying the police force is only for men, or a certain job (e.g. a secertary) is only for women. You cant say that according to the sex discrimintation act (i used to do business st. but decided to drop it :P)

So finally i say we should try the women, and if they dont do anything (most men dont do anything either) dont vote for them in the next elections.

So what are ur views of this topic, are u with or against women in the parlimant ??
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on May 02, 2009, 06:58:38 pm: Not many women will be against this. I like being ruled by women. Does this make me kinky?
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 02, 2009, 07:02:23 pm: no, lol
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sweetsh on May 03, 2009, 07:36:56 pm: Women are sometimes or actually not sometimes most of the time, better than men." Without being fanatic" and with all my respect to all men.
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on May 03, 2009, 07:59:25 pm: Men are either very good or very bad at something but women are all just..........average.
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sweetsh on May 03, 2009, 08:02:14 pm: Men and women both can be good and bad in many places and positions. They both balance the world
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 03, 2009, 08:58:04 pm: were all equal, i just think that a change is good (as we never had a female member of parlimant), the question is do u think they will make a difference ? :P
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sweetsh on May 03, 2009, 09:03:48 pm: Tab3an. Ofcourse. The people's opnions and attitudes towards many things will definitely change
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 03, 2009, 09:09:00 pm: but dont u think that the male members will how can i say this block the female's views on a certain topic ??
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on May 03, 2009, 09:13:19 pm: I realise that women are equal to men, because without theM we would be EXTINCT!!!!!!!!!
IN England we had a woman Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, who gave us a bloody good talking to. so ultimately only women can say what needs to be said, but everyone must say what they want. GORDON BROWN MUST GO!
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sweetsh on May 03, 2009, 09:16:41 pm: Gordon Brown must go? You are with him?
OKay. I also believe that we are all equal. But when women sit in such high positions they will change many things. And they will give a push for all women to move on no matter the conditions
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on May 03, 2009, 09:21:10 pm: Gordon Brown must go. Women are equal. Everthing must change.
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sweetsh on May 03, 2009, 09:28:33 pm: With which side is he?
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 04, 2009, 08:53:27 am: in my opinion i think they should have an all female parlimant for one session, so we can see the results, cause trust me the male members in kuwait do nothing, they just shout and swear at each other, women have more manners than us men :D
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on May 04, 2009, 08:57:55 am: MPs are like that in england too. And they steal too.
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 04, 2009, 10:15:32 am: Quote from: astarmathsandphysics on May 04, 2009, 08:57:55 am
MPs are like that in england too. And they steal too.

well ur MPs may steal thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions. Our MPs steal BILLIONS, how? by starting imaginary projects, we hear about them but never see them :( and who pays? Us !!! (but thankgod we dont have taxes, they eat u alive !!)
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: AS girl on May 04, 2009, 10:52:12 am: Behind every great man, a woman ;D
people say this sentence almost all the time so i guess women have a very effective role in our society and im not saying that just cuz im a women. History proved that women are cabable of ruling and they have that ability to do so. Giving permission for women to be elected in kuwait is such a big step and im glad that they introduced it. Women have many potentials exactly like all the men but never had the chance to prove it and even when they did it wasn't supported by many..
The only thing that women need to suceed in the parlimant is the support.People must believe and trust us.

I believe women will make a huge difference in the Parlimant and wish them all the good luck!!
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 04, 2009, 12:14:25 pm: Quote from: IG girl on May 04, 2009, 10:52:12 am
Behind every great man, a woman ;D
people say this sentence almost all the time so i guess women have a very effective role in our society and im not saying that just cuz im a women. History proved that women are cabable of ruling and they have that ability to do so. Giving permission for women to be elected in kuwait is such a big step and im glad that they introduced it. Women have many potentials exactly like all the men but never had the chance to prove it and even when they did it wasn't supported by many..
The only thing that women need to suceed in the parlimant is the support.People must believe and trust us.

I believe women will make a huge difference in the Parlimant and wish them all the good luck!!

(1) i agree with u 100%, but do u think the kuwaiti voters (or any other voters in any other countries) will actually vote for women.

(2) When u said that women were rulers, they were appointed to this postion (e.g. kuwait's miniter of education (female) appointed by the kuwaiti amir, margret thatcher ex british PM appointed by the queen etc.)

(3) do u think women will vote for women ?? cause from what ive seen theyre like "what !!! aaaaanaaaaa a36y hathee !!! hatheey matiswa madreey shnoo etc. (translated to english: u want ME to give HER my vote, she is'nt worth blah blah blah)

(4) and no one has answered my question, do u think the men mps will give the women a chance to apply there views

(5) And in another story (related to women and parlimant):

Islamic leaders (m6aw3a) in kuwait are saying that giving ur vote to a woman is haram !!! wtf !! :o
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: AS girl on May 04, 2009, 09:01:52 pm: Hey
Some men are convinced with women and one of them is my uncle...when i asked him about who is he going to vote for he mentioned 4 names and 2 of them were women!! Im sure that there are many people(men in particular) that are convinced in this idea exactly like my uncle!

But im not sure about women voting for another woman.Women doesn't like another woman to rise above her (in other words become better than her). From my prospective, Opposite genders attract each other. Women would definitely vote for men and men would definitely vote for women.It's a normal biological fact.

I totally disgree with those who think that voting to a women is 7aram. As i said before both genders should receive the same rights (no discrimination ;))

Answering ur question:u think the men mps will give the women a chance to apply there views
If a woman is able to reach that point i think nothing would stand in her way. (enah kydahonah la 3a'9eem ;D) It's even mentioned in Quran. Women will express their views no matter what..cuz one of the most important factor when considering to enter Parlimant is courage and if anyone fails to have it then i believe they dont deserve to represent us..Kuwait lool
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: wriggle on May 04, 2009, 11:01:30 pm: woow hold ur horses evry1, ho sed women will all b angels?? der r difrrnces evrywher.

look at da most rich nation in da wrld..da US. u cant deny it, der da powerhouse of this wrld, both economically nd intellectually (tho da latter is debatable). der nation has ALWAYS been run by men. nd watevr crap ppl say, dey r da most succesful.

on da oder hand, look at a country lik pakistan. deyr totally an unstabl nation wer entering da political arena means sacrificin not only yours, but ur whole familys life. and dev always been run by men.

look at jordon. queen rania has led jordon 2 amazing levels of economic stabily and social welfare. she was nominated by a global cnn survey 2 b da most 'inspiring leadr' of da decade, frm both male n female candidates. n woow, wen u hear her speeches....

n look at a country lik bangladesh, who've always been (as far as my knowledge goes) run by women. and look at da state of der country. men steal money?? hell look at dem!! not only da da WOMEN leaders pocket cash, but der sons, dere sons wifes, der sisters...evry1 gets in da act. da only negetiv feature is dey du not possess is any recent wars or hav da probability of 1 happenin.

ppl will choose whoevr dey want and whoevr DEY beleiv will giv dem an advantage. it doesn matter if da nominee is a male, female, ape or elephant, as long as personal interests r satisfied.

im not sure bout this, but regarding da quran, i think it says dat its not reccommended but is also not prohibited (once again im not sure).

so 2 answer ur question, i believ dat its ok if women get electd in kuwait. if da 1st 1 sux, den elect a 2nd. or a guy. doesn mattr. hoevr has da potential
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 05, 2009, 07:04:52 am: who said that the USA has been run by men ??? Condolisa Ryce ? Hillary Clinton ? Arent they considered leaders (theyre not presidents but they are (condolisa was) major leaders in the US.

@ IG Girl - u said it ur self, women dont like other women to be on top of them (forget the biology u metioned, were talking politics here baby !! 8)) this will mean that women in the parlimant (lets say 3 or 4 win) wont cooperate, they wont vote for each other, they wont consult each other all cause they think that THEY are the best human being in the world. And from what u said "my uncle will vote fro 2 women" it appears that ur in the 3rd Constituency (il da2ira il thaltha) cause thats were the best women have nominated themselves, the other constituencies have one or two niminees that dont know what theyer talking about (except ma39ooma il mbarak - she has my parent's vote ;D)

Lets all hope that our next parlimant will be trouble free and will actually LAST for 4 years so we could see what the mps can or can not do.

And good luck in ur exams ;)
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sweetsh on May 05, 2009, 08:53:32 am: i agree with what you said about Queen Rania.
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: AS girl on May 05, 2009, 09:15:24 am: Hey
I agree 100% with Q8Oboy about the fact that many countries including USA were run by women. One of the most powerful countries(as i believe so) Uk was lead by Queen Elizabeth II and saw many achievements since the day she took charge of leading.
Women will never co operate with each other but surprisingly they do sometimes "Your fingers are not all equal" translation in arabic"mo kil a9ab3ek metsawya" ;) So even if i confessed that women will not co-operate some will actually do!!!
U r right..we are in (il da2ira il thaltha) 3ajeeb how u knew!
Bs i have 1 comment about this..now everyone wants a vote so all Candidates try their best to get our votes.They convince u that they will accomplish ur desires and make ur dream come true but what happens after they win(and after giving ur vote to them)is way different. Sometimes they tend to ignore ur requirements and they even pretend that they dont know u when u need them. This is the majority but yet not all.Look at the streets..u find such a huge poster saying alot of things that im convinced that they will never do! It's just words no real actions :-[
but even though i still have faith that "mojtam3nah"our society will improve. It doesn't matter whether women or men wins in this parlimant what really matters is who can improve this nation.Who is cabable of representing our nation and who will make a difference after all!!!!!!!

Ur mind is great and i like the way u think! I was actually surprised to find out that u are only 15 yrs old..U r a great prove that age doesn't determine your mind!
Good luck for u to!!
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 05, 2009, 12:28:00 pm: Thanks for the compliments IG girl, im blushing ;)

What u said about the mps ignoring u is 90% right, but many mps (the good ones) care for their voters and there needs (e.g. after last years elections, one of the winners came to our house, had lunch with the family, and listned to all our needs and wants). But u are right, i was reading the newspaper this morning and reading all their claims, be6ay7oon il 8uroo'9 (pay the citizen's loans (we have a LOT of them :() be3aljoon moshkilat il bidoon (solve the problem of the people with no nationality) byabnoon mustashfayat (build new hospitals) but guess what ?? they said all this in their previous campaigns, some of them became an mp but they didnt do anything, Kuwaitis dont look at the nominee's plans, or qualifications, or background, they look at the name, and appearance and the unnecesary stuff.

When our amir came on TV and read out his announcement of dissolving the parlimant, he personally instructed the voters to vote for the best, the ones that YOU think are the best, not ur friends or ur family YOU, but i think i was the only one watching cause all i hear now is the same old names and faces.

Oh well, what can I do, after all i AM just 15 years old :D

God bless you all ;D
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: AS girl on May 05, 2009, 08:00:06 pm: Anyways let the best of them win inshallah
(ely estahel yefooz)
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sweetsh on May 05, 2009, 08:11:39 pm: Actually I dont live in Kuwait.But,I believe that people will choose the best ones. Il nas il mne7a ra7 te5tar il mna7 elhom...La masale7hom...

Good luck!
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: AS girl on May 05, 2009, 08:25:04 pm: Thanks sweetsh for ur support!!
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sweetsh on May 05, 2009, 08:37:20 pm: Im democratic! But I say GO for every woman who will benefit her nation or her society
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 08, 2009, 05:57:45 pm: Quote from: sweetsh on May 05, 2009, 08:37:20 pm
Im democratic! But I say GO for every woman who will benefit her nation or her society

I say were too younge to politics, and lets concentrate on our IGCSEs (lol just kidding :P , i agree with u)
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sweetsh on May 08, 2009, 05:58:21 pm: Good point.
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: wriggle on May 09, 2009, 09:14:49 am: errr....q8oboy, if rice and hililary r considered 'the leader' then y all da hub hub?? u can say dat women hav reached der highest position already. dey merely follow orders (most of da time), i would hardly considr dat leadrship.

n IG girl, frm my knowledge, (her majesty :)) da queen of england doesn take part in economic issues. 'since her day of leading' ?? no, its da combination of da private sector & govt regulation dat has taken england frwd. economics 101
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 09, 2009, 08:33:04 pm: Quote from: wriggle on May 09, 2009, 09:14:49 am
errr....q8oboy, if rice and hililary r considered 'the leader' then y all da hub hub?? u can say dat women hav reached der highest position already. dey merely follow orders (most of da time), i would hardly considr dat leadrship.

n IG girl, frm my knowledge, (her majesty :)) da queen of england doesn take part in economic issues. 'since her day of leading' ?? no, its da combination of da private sector & govt regulation dat has taken england frwd. economics 101

so ur saying that women are not suitable for politics ?? if u are, can u please give me ur reasons for that
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sanity_master on May 09, 2009, 10:41:33 pm: in my opinion, i think women would be great politicians and they can handle responsibility very well

the problem is that, when they have POWER they will just try to beat men or to prove them wrong at anything......which will negatively affect their behavior and their decent thinking will be history.....

women are normally optimistic, calm and intelligent (most of them) >>>they say that a woman's mind thinks about 60000 different idea daily, while men just think of like 30000 or something (not sure about the numbers) but its a fact

so they just need the power, but with no foes or opponents of the opposite sex, otherwise a civil war or even a world war will be declared and the logo will be..........

MEN vs WOMEN >> and then another war will take place, and the women will fight for their name to be first and make it women vs men :D

this aggression by the women is created because since the dawn of humanity, most of the women were encompassed by rules and traditions.....so they will just seek for "revenge" to take back wt they've lost formerly.
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on May 09, 2009, 10:44:00 pm: They might gang up on you in the arcade for that.
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 10, 2009, 08:30:55 am: @ sanity_master:

If a woman becomes a member of parlimant, she doesnt get the power, she doesnt become the ruler of the country or anything, she will just be representing the people of her country. Now i dont have anything against men or women, its just that men were members of parlimant for so long, and didnt do much (or some of them didnt).

ur saying that a world war or a civil war will take place, ur kidding right ?? :P

and last but not least, aggression, yup, women are aggresive (watch american gladiators :P) but not cause of the reason sanity_master gave, in kuwait women live freely, they wear normal clothes (no traditional stuff), they drive cars, go to malls, work in all the sectors (we have our police women now ;D) and i dont think women can take any revenge if theyre members of a parlimant, what will they do ?? throw glasses of water on the male mps, well they can do that in a mall, or a public place :D
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 16, 2009, 08:15:22 am: This is it, the election day has come, let the best win

Aseel, Rola, Na3eema
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on May 16, 2009, 08:35:52 am: Women can go to war. Margaret Thatcher did. They can be ruthless like Indira Ghandhi
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 07:03:02 am: Well i guess most kuwaiti voters read this thread :P

in kuwait we have 5 cinstituencies

here is a list of the women that won:

the first one = 1 woman who came out top !!
the second one = 1 woman
the third one = 2 women
the fourth one = o women, cause there was only one that nominated her self
the fifth one = 0 women, cause no woman nominated her self

and the rest of the "boys", are either the loyal mps from past parlimants, or NEW ones !! Kuwait is being re-biult (politicaly) ;D
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 07:49:23 am: I heard this in the news.
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 10:46:35 am: Quote from: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 07:49:23 am
I heard this in the news.

well, its GREAT news for us ;D
Title: Re: Women and Parlimant
Post by: AS girl on May 17, 2009, 01:02:41 pm: Quote from: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 10:46:35 am
Quote from: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 07:49:23 am
I heard this in the news.

well, its GREAT news for us ;D

Heeey women won finally
I'm so happy for them!!