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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: The Golden Girl =D on July 18, 2010, 03:29:34 pm
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I'd really appreciate it if ur answer is due to ur OWN experience and if it is due to ur opinion then i I'd really like it if it ISN'T baed on ur religion ,culture , the way u were brought up ..etc
(I'll post some other time when I'm not busy cuz i got alot to say )
Hope i see ppl postin :)
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I go to a co-ed school and I like it that way
Primarily, it's because when guys and girls learn together, they interact with each other, become friends and I think it should be that way. Cause I know of guys and girls who studied in single-sex schools and are very shy to go up and speak to the person of the opp sex.
Guys and girls should study together cause it will help them in the long run. Although if schools do not monitor the activities of the kids, which can happen, and does happen, most of the times, kids go astray :-\
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i studied in a co-ed school until i was in 5th grade and to be honest . Most of us used to get average grades and only 2 girls and a guy used to be the first ones in class (always lol ) ..we were playin together/talkin to each other / playin jokes on each other rather than concentratin in class.
but since 6th grade i have been attendin a single-sex school (boys's class in the other building) and tbh i have been so motivated to beat the boys in studyin and when the teacher says we r late and the boys have finished the lesson . All the girls shut up instantly and pay more attention . and when it's time to receive our grades we r even more competitive . we want to kno the highest grade in the boy's class is so that we even work harder next time/or celebrate :P ... My grades have been better ever since then lol .
I like this cuz i can have my full freedom but there is a disadvantage to this as well we Girls Talk A LOT ,soo much and that sometimes hinders us . And i agree with Nid that most of the girl's in my class r soo shy when they have to talk to the opposite sex .
I believe girls and guys shld be mixxed in college when they r A LOT more mature and are more likely to THINK of the CONSEQUENCES of there ACTIONS.
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Yes hot guys and girls are a distraction ::) :P
But you should set your priorities straight. Period.
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Yes hot guys and girls are a distraction ::) :P
But you should set your priorities straight. Period.
haha lol .... That's true , i agree * i'm still on my side tbh ::) *
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Coeducation schools are FAR better in my opinion.
1. It teaches you how to handle, talk and interact with the opposite sex.'
2. You get used to talking to the other sex, so, nothing new.
Some will argue that coeducation schools may make girls and guys date with each other and learn uncivilized behavior! :P
But this is a wrong concept. In fact, its a benefit in this case. It teaches you how to control your temptations to try to get on with any random member of the opposite sex. So, you won't have any problem when you grow up.
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Coeducation schools are FAR better in my opinion.
1. It teaches you how to handle, talk and interact with the opposite sex.'
2. You get used to talking to the other sex, so, nothing new.
Some will argue that coeducation schools may make girls and guys date with each other and learn uncivilized behavior! :P
But this is a wrong concept. In fact, its a benefit in this case. It teaches you how to control your temptations to try to get on with any random member of the opposite sex. So, you won't have any problem when you grow up.
I agree but most teenagers aren't really mature or wise enough to kno the consequences of their actions .(FYI I have met ppl who think that doing uncivilized behavior is COOL which indicates that they can't be placed with the opposite gender of their's . )and that is what made me believe it's much better to study together in college when Almost ever1 is mature enough to kno the consequences . :)
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Moreover , I've read a research abt this and the research indicates that girls and boys do achieve A LOT MORE when they r placed in separate classes .
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I agree but most teenagers aren't really mature or wise enough to kno the consequences of their actions .(FYI I have met ppl who think that doing uncivilized behavior is COOL which indicates that they can't be placed with the opposite gender of their's . )and that is what made me believe it's much better to study together in college when Almost ever1 is mature enough to kno the consequences . :)
The chance of a teenager doing any "uncivilized" behaviour is far less than anyone may think if the society is open. For example, my school is co-educational. Some of my friends, when I were in O level, used to get on with girls, but you cannot straight out call this uncivilized. Firstly, this type of students made up a minor portion of the whole class. Secondly, its nothing "uncivilized". An activity is "uncivilized" if they cross the limits, which is VERY rare. Most of them know the limits.
You said its better to study in college when students are "mature enough". But there is evidence to suggest the opposite. According to my mom, most people "succumb to temptation" in their college years...
Moreover , I've read a research abt this and the research indicates that girls and boys do achieve A LOT MORE when they r placed in separate classes .
No. I just googled about this and research suggests the opposite.
Current research shows that parents of students attending independent
co-educational schools believe that a co-ed learning environment offers
many benefits. A national survey conducted in 2005–2006 reveals that
79% of Canadian parents with children in independent co-ed schools
heartily agree that these schools better reflect the diversity of our society and
79% believe they better prepare students to eventually enter the workforce.
In addition, 71% agree that these students are better prepared to succeed
in post-secondary education.
Canadian research reveals that students at independent co-ed schools
feel comfortable about who they are and have a healthy and positive
attitude and self-image. In fact, 71% of students indicate that “It is easy
for students at my school to find a group that they fit in with.” The
self-confidence expressed around fitting in enables students in a co-ed
environment to perform to the best of their ability and get the most out
of their educational experience.
The environment and atmosphere fostered also has an impact in other ways.
Students at independent co-ed schools in Canada are more likely (88%)
than other types of students to feel safe in their school environment. Not
only do independent co-ed schools rank the highest when students are
asked generally about safety for all students, but their responses also suggest
that reports of harassment and bullying are lower at these schools.
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I go to a co-ed school and I like it that way
Primarily, it's because when guys and girls learn together, they interact with each other, become friends and I think it should be that way. Cause I know of guys and girls who studied in single-sex schools and are very shy to go up and speak to the person of the opp sex.
Guys and girls should study together cause it will help them in the long run. Although if schools do not monitor the activities of the kids, which can happen, and does happen, most of the times, kids go astray :-\
exactly!
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'We imagine a school in which students and teachers of all genders excitedly and joyfully stretch themselves to their limits in pursuit of projects built on their vision...not one that succeeds in making apathetic students satisfying minimal standards.' S Papert
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In the same class?
For me, it's simply simple as that: OUT OF QUESTION.
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i prefer co-ed .. because it makes the class more interactive
both guys and girls interact with each other
co-ed is only a problem if there are too many pervs in the class :P
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co-ed is only a problem if there are too many pervs in the class :P
Okay ..that really made me laugh :D :D
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Tell our class that.. -__-
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I am not going to recall any study or any proof of my claims, as the research institutes that conduct these tests are very biased towards certain groups, becoming ingratiate towards them. Therefore, I do not think that it is viable to actually put these pieces of information forward. But what I will do is present my ideas that stem from experience. I assure you, you will find different research finding in different countries.
To begin with, I believe in a mixed learning system, primarily because it helps boys and girls compete with each other. Although the notion of being "carried away" does come into play, I believe that people have to learn to cope with these things, or else they will have to get to a totally new system when working in an office or a multinational company. So yes, do believe that a mixed educational system. It helps to normalize the two sexes with each other, learn to co-ordinate with each other, compete with each other, and get used to a society where men are tolerate and aware of a woman's problems and vice versa.
Now, I believe the success of this system solely depends on the culture, if you were to impose a segregated culture in the middle east, people would be more or less accepting, because their society and social functions are segregated with respect to gender. In Canada, a boy will be often assigned a girl, whom he has to work with, and eventually they learn the importance of co-ordination and they also learn to respect each other's differences. So implementing a segregated educational system, will be difficult and often what a very minorty want. Because their culture is shaped to be mixed.
Now, to come back to the fear of adultery, the evident fact is that, we cannot stop if, we can discourage, and to a great extent, prevent it, but we cannot stop it. But, in segregating an education system, seldom this leads to the idea of homosexuality developing, as seldom in many countries. What we need to do is enforce a stringent rule, that girls have to keep their distance with boys and vice versa. And often, as I have come to see, that this makes both boys and girls act very different in a mixed society, often girls will act absolutely out of control, and boys, sometimes worse. Because the holding back of this leads to such a build-up that people just go nuts! I have seen this happen, unfortunately.
So yes, you may think of benefits, a more focused class, you need to see the drawbacks, that lead to the two halves of society have little experience with the other, little appreciation with other, and most importantly, low chances of a co-ordinated success where both men and women have to work together to solve a problem.
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Now, to come back to the fear of adultery, the evident fact is that, we cannot stop if, we can discourage, and to a great extent, prevent it, but we cannot stop it. But, in segregating an education system, seldom this leads to the idea of homosexuality developing, as seldom in many countries. What we need to do is enforce a stringent rule, that girls have to keep their distance with boys and vice versa. And often, as I have come to see, that this makes both boys and girls act very different in a mixed society, often girls will act absolutely out of control, and boys, sometimes worse. Because the holding back of this leads to such a build-up that people just go nuts! I have seen this happen, unfortunately.
I'm not in the mood to comment on everythin . but i just wanted to say that i'm atteding a single-sex school and NO girl in my class is homosexual including me . This is not what happens with everyone who goes to a single-sex school, Just a MINORITY that r like that .
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Our class is all boys and we don't have such issues..
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Our class is all boys and we don't have such issues..
I kno -_-
@ Engraved : I'll pm u abt this .
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I kno -_-
Nae.. Our school isn't all boys.. just that our section has no girls.
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Nae.. Our school isn't all boys.. just that our section has no girls.
we have girls's classes in a building and boys in another ;)
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No, I have experience in arab countries, so that is why I am telling you about that...
And I meant to say seldom, not often.
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Sorry, my bad. But regardless, this notion often develops, in fact, I have seen it develop a lot, although it remains a minority, I have seen it develop quite a lot....
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Nae.. Our school isn't all boys.. just that our section has no girls.
LMAO!
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LMAO!
But that's why it's the most fun ... Even the teachers talk like they are our pervy bros or sumthin.
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But that's why it's the most fun ... Even the teachers talk like they are our pervy bros or sumthin.
rofl ..that's weird. :o lol :D :D :D :D
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But that's why it's the most fun ... Even the teachers talk like they are our pervy bros or sumthin.
Alrite Kratos, we do not need to go that far.
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Golden girl, I can sense some tension here. Please do not be offended. Engraved has just quoted his point of view regarding this and this is a part of debate. No offense should be taken.
You can PM me if you have any issues.
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You asked from our own personal experience... From mine, in any schools can be homosexuals. Mixed> girls mingle a lot with boys, and tend to adopt their preferences, sexual, as well.
And single-sex ones, how do I justify it?
'No choice.' ::)
Dude didn't generalize, he talked of a minority and stated it. By the way, I don't know of your countries... but here, it's so true. ::)
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Of a minority** only. The rest are normal people, if I can call them thus.
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By experience and observation, I can prove that coeducation is better. Our school is coed. Its the best, in terms of academic performance in the country. Other comparable schools are the same. If your assumptions were true, this wouldn't be the case.
We don't need to hire boys and girls from other schools for cultural performances, unlike the single sexed schools.
Everybody will agree (even male or female chauvinists) that seeing the same faces everyday will be very boring.
When the subject of coed comes up, what immediately enters their mind in the first place, is sexual relationships between students. They fail to see the many advantages. Even this phenomenon is a good advantage as it teaches boys and girls to control themselves (most of them learn to, except a very few minority), which they would not learn in a single sexed school.
For those who think this way, thus, boys and girls from single sexed schools, in fact, has a higher chance of becoming sexual beasts attributed to crimes like rap*, molestation or even prostitution simply because they do not learn to control themselves and the other sex is such a 'mystery' to them. It is always a characteristic of human to try to explore the 'unknown'. Students from coed schools, for the vast majority, learn to control themselves, for which they are undoubtedly better in coping with any situation, in their future life.
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Dude didn't generalize, he talked of a minority and stated it. By the way, I don't know of your countries... but here, it's so true. ::)
Lol.
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Well as I see it, none of the guys in our class are bent..
Clearly single sex school doesn't promote homosexuality. That's a faulty assumption.
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Neither have I seen or heard of any homosexuals in my school. Hard to believe that there could be such occurances, especially in an Arab country, as Engraved mentioned. Also Alpha. ::)
But it just goes on to illustrate how can coed schools cope with this problem. And how, single sexed school's students can sometimes engage in such retarded activities, though a minority.
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Yes,of course, I agree with the opinion that both boys and girls should be taught in the same class. I see no apparent reason to teach them separately.
I can say from my personal experience too that coeducation is better. By the way there are hardly any schools in my country where students are taught gender-based. I did my schooling and my high school with both sexes in the same class. Of course, people may develop a notion that such schools promote sexual activities, but that is all up to the conscience of students. There are many benefits of co-education. Most importantly, what I have personally felt is that such schools teaches us, especially the boys, to stay within the boundary set by the morale of the society and respect the opposite sex.
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all my relatives are so (whatever) that they are like "OMG u talk to girls ..astagfirullah" "pola ta kharap hoiya gese" :P
many schools dont want to give the students benefits of co-ed ONLY because they think the students will be more interested in romance and etc. :P
but how is single-ed better in this case? i think the situation is worse.... desperation increases ???
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Personally I prefer co-ed schools over segregated schools ANYDAY. But there are pros and cons to each. I prefer co-ed because like many have said before, it makes the opposite sex a very normal issue. Girls can easily talk to boys without awkwardness and shyness and vice versa. Plus you know how its human nature to want what we can't have? That's what happens in single sex schools. Kids start acting up everytime they see the oppostie sex and they act as if this huuugee deal if they interacted with the oppsote gender and often girls and boys start doing things they shouldn't be doing with each other. Girls start talking to boys they don't know online,they start to meet up in secret, they start dating etc and a whole big story happens and I've seen this with my own eyes with soo many people, it's not just a theory and I'm sure you all have too; whereas in co ed schools like I said before, it's very normal to talk to the opposite sex. It also helps them in the long run like in work or uni since there are very few single sex unis and you cannot avoid interacting with the opposite gender your whole life. On the other side I know a co ed school in my area and the kids there are OUT OF CONTROL. You can find adultery, drugs, accidental pregancies, drinking, etc. It's SO bad. So it kinda depends on the nature of the students.
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@ SE - The matter has been solved .
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By experience and observation, I can prove that coeducation is better. Our school is coed. Its the best, in terms of academic performance in the country. Other comparable schools are the same. If your assumptions were true, this wouldn't be the case.
We don't need to hire boys and girls from other schools for cultural performances, unlike the single sexed schools.
Everybody will agree (even male or female chauvinists) that seeing the same faces everyday will be very boring.
Sorry to say, some people here got a dirty mind. When the subject of coed comes up, what immediately enters their mind in the first place, is sexual relationships between students. They fail to see the many advantages. Even this phenomenon is a good advantage as it teaches boys and girls to control themselves (most of them learn to, except a very few minority), which they would not learn in a single sexed school.
For those who think this way, thus, boys and girls from single sexed schools, in fact, has a higher chance of becoming sexual beasts attributed to crimes like rap*, molestation or even prostitution simply because they do not learn to control themselves and the other sex is such a 'mystery' to them. It is always a characteristic of human to try to explore the 'unknown'. Students from coed schools, for the vast majority, learn to control themselves, for which they are undoubtedly better in coping with any situation, in their future life.
Alrite people, lets end this. No more argument relating these "dirty" things, regardless if they are appropriate towards the topic at hand.
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I think you haven't read my post well. I never, never generalized. I talked about MY case.
If for you co-ed is better, for me, it's hell, by experience and observation.
They're not assumptions of a 'dirty' mind.
I've been humble enough to cite my own country and spare others.
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I think you haven't read my post well. I never, never generalized. I talked about MY case.
If for you co-ed is better, for me, it's hell, by experience and observation.
They're not assumptions of a 'dirty' mind.
I've been humble enough to cite my own country and spare others.
I did not reply to your post. I was talking in general, that most people overlook the advantages of coed schools just because they, in the first place, think boys and girls will get too much involved in romance related things.
I did not quote your post. Its just that my post preceded yours, but it was a coincidence. I did not mean to imply it as a reply to your post.
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I did not reply to your post. I was talking in general, that most people overlook the advantages of coed schools just because they, in the first place, think boys and girls will get too much involved in romance related things.
I did not quote your post. Its just that my post preceded yours, but it was a coincidence. I did not mean to imply it as a reply to your post.
It's okay.
But people here, do not be under the misconception that those who study in single sex schools are too 'confined within walls'. Take it as simple as that: some hate music while studying, but doesn't mean they know nothing about music.
The world is not enclosed in 4 walls.
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It's okay.
But people here, do not be under the misconception that those who study in single sex schools are too 'confined within walls'. Take it as simple as that: some hate music while studying, but doesn't mean they know nothing about music.
The world is not enclosed in 4 walls.
They are 'confined within walls' after all. Their situation compels them to.
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They are 'confined within walls' after all. Their situation compels them to.
That's an advantage, for people who can use their brains. :P
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That's an advantage, for people who can use their brains. :P
Ignorance is bliss. ;)
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Ignorance is bliss. ;)
In it lies answers. ;)
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Let's Revive this ::)
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From experience, I would say coeducation. In theory, however, I'd say segregated education systems are better. As you all have seemingly shown, coeducation is indeed the need of today's world. Then why is apparently, the idealistic segregated system which keep many of our (in reference to most people here anyway, obviously not all) cultural and religious ideals in check, not working?
I think it's because for our ideals to stand valid and with possibility of being implemented successfully, there should be a proper foundation for that to happen. Here, I'll speak specifically for Muslim idealistic religio-social infrastructure (or any other religion that exhorts segregation of sexes)--if we want that boys and girls prosper in their respective places and yet maintain minimum contact, then we have to face up to two things.
Firstly, nothing else in our society works to promote that. I'm not saying I'm following this path like no other, but let's be fair to the ideology: segregation of sexes is not just studying in separate buildings/classrooms. It takes in a lot more--most of the TV shows/animations we watch today not only defy such principles, we can't even watch most of them for pure amusement too, even as a girl--if we're going to follow through the basics, that is. So many women and men are, by the standard of our religion, scantily dressed on television. Listening to a woman sing (ignoring the dispute on musical instruments themselves) is another violation. Magazines and most other printed media must alter their advertising campaigns. I will not exempt Middle East: hijab, the forerunning principle in segregation of sexes is not actually followed when it comes to advertisements and movies. Someone who knows the detailed requirements of hijab can understand what I mean.
Furthermore, on a national level there is no arrangement for women and men to go through their day-to-day life without having to interact with one another. No women-only institutes for higher education exist and though it may exist in Middle East, in most other Muslim cultures there is a lack of feasibility in segregation in most work places and hence men and women come into close contact. Not to mention that internet is something that cannot be 'censored', and it opens doors for most of to things we normally cannot access--even if the government decided to block all profane websites which could have objectionable material, even restrict the search results of images to those acceptable in nature, online friendships between people cannot be stopped.
Secondly, if it's not obvious enough, the current world we live in does have provisions for segregation of sexes in most contexts and it would require a complete makeover of our social, economic, educational and political sector as well as some very tricky censorship of the media. And then a very decisive brainwashing of many inhabitants.
And not as a third thing but as an independent point: whether you were born in Madinatul Nabi in 10 AH or in Las Vegas in 2000 AD, there is always a significant percentage of people who will not follow the cultural mindset. In the ideal Islamic state, something we can never achieve, there was one reported case of r*pe and more than dozen acts of adultery. Yes, small in comparison to our current setup but it proves my point. The probability of students/people indulging in acts dictated profane by any standard, will never be 1 or 0. Not until the world is to sustain anyhow; it's a violation of the study of sociology to assume all inhabitants will be uniformly 'good' or 'bad'. So be it a segregated schooling system or a coeducational one, there will be sex-driven teenagers in the former and 'pious' teenagers in the latter. And often, the ratios are surprising.
So, yes, I would support segregation of sexes and education in that context, but as you can see it can only make sense if my ideal image of an Islamic state is 'somewhat' followed, which even in Middle East, is not sufficient. Not because of the laws themselves but because people find no need to segregate sexes in their day-to-day lives, hence the system would only work if there was actually an understanding of the fact that it's needed. Education isn't ruined simply because you're studying with dudes or with chicks, so stressing on education makes no sense unless we as a community who believe in such principles, actually desire their implementation rather than accept them as a cultural burden we must carry.
To illustrate this, I'll give a personal example. My sister is a chain smoker, so there are cigarettes lying around all the time. She's (currently) in perfect health too and claims smoking helps her lose weight and stay sane. There are times when I feel like I want to die and need a break, and it would seem that I have enough curiosity to smoke a cigarette. I've even observed a cigarette itself once or twice, sniffing it out of curiosity. But what keeps me from actually lighting the cigarette? My resolve that I must not smoke no matter what, because it's dangerous. Our society does not, for the most part, have the resolve that we must not indulge in intimate relationships with the opposite sex outside marriage no matter what. Even if we do, we have no reason for it. And the reason, God, is so fragile for us that even girls who do not involve themselves in relations with boys, find themselves battling inside all the time and feel inferior. Hence, they emerge as weak people, demeaning their value as students and people alike.
Anyway, back to the debate itself. :P So yes, in our current world setup I prefer coeducation. From my own experience, I studied in coeducation up till fifth grade, after which I started studying in a girls only school. I hate that school from the depth of my heart; the politics and drama was irritating. And in my time there, there were two astounding incidents which opened my eyes to gruel reality of single-sex schools--an older student ran away from school with her date in his car, pretending he's her relative. He took the opportunity the girl underwent severe sexual abuse--for the sake of the forum's pleasant atmosphere, I will not go into details. She was found injured with her skull cracked in front of a college's gate--possibly nude. During my second last year at the school, another girl ran away with a boy. But here's the real horror: she was a sixth grader, 11 years old and her 'boyfriend' was an A-Level student, at least 17 years old. And she didn't just go on a date, she actually ran away and started to live with him 'because her parents didn't understand'.
For my A-Levels I went to a coeducational institute and found myself set free--two most amazing years of my life. There was politics and drama, as usual, but since there was a large number of guys, it could never take over my life. I had no male friends, only acquaintances whom I could speak with occasionally. Because I was the only girl in my batch who performed hijab, guys mostly avoided me--yet, I found myself a place there.
The difference in being in a single-sex school and a coeducational institute was simple: if I was to talk about boys in the former school, there would be scandals. Teases. Allegations. And sometimes, if you're in the 'other' kind of crowd, they were start drooling on random boys like their cousins or family friends. Or boys they met in preschool and have/had a crush on. Switch to coeducational: talk of boys as if they're 'normal' existence. No one will accuse you of crushes, dating or the like if you comment how XYZ is so bitter in class. Guys being perverts in coeducational? Not usually. Mark who you are, aka what kind of relationship you want to indulge in, and guys will just hanker after someone who is available. Like desperate teenage girls from the single-sex schools.
Again, to say all single-sex school students are desperate for the opposite sex or that nothing ever goes wrong in a coeducational school is ridiculous. In my two years I saw many unacceptable public displays of affection, but once the administration took charge of the situation, such incidences started to minimize.
xD Sorry for the long post. If someone actually finished this, you're brave. :P
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I wish to meet you someday. We could talk day and night :D xD
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I wish to meet you someday. We could talk day and night :D xD
That sounds romantic. ::)
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In England I know, boys and girls do better when they study separately but generally parents prefer boys to go co-ed and girls to go single sex.
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From experience, I would say coeducation. In theory, however, I'd say segregated education systems are better. As you all have seemingly shown, coeducation is indeed the need of today's world. Then why is apparently, the idealistic segregated system which keep many of our (in reference to most people here anyway, obviously not all) cultural and religious ideals in check, not working?
I think it's because for our ideals to stand valid and with possibility of being implemented successfully, there should be a proper foundation for that to happen. Here, I'll speak specifically for Muslim idealistic religio-social infrastructure (or any other religion that exhorts segregation of sexes)--if we want that boys and girls prosper in their respective places and yet maintain minimum contact, then we have to face up to two things.
Firstly, nothing else in our society works to promote that. I'm not saying I'm following this path like no other, but let's be fair to the ideology: segregation of sexes is not just studying in separate buildings/classrooms. It takes in a lot more--most of the TV shows/animations we watch today not only defy such principles, we can't even watch most of them for pure amusement too, even as a girl--if we're going to follow through the basics, that is. So many women and men are, by the standard of our religion, scantily dressed on television. Listening to a woman sing (ignoring the dispute on musical instruments themselves) is another violation. Magazines and most other printed media must alter their advertising campaigns. I will not exempt Middle East: hijab, the forerunning principle in segregation of sexes is not actually followed when it comes to advertisements and movies. Someone who knows the detailed requirements of hijab can understand what I mean.
Furthermore, on a national level there is no arrangement for women and men to go through their day-to-day life without having to interact with one another. No women-only institutes for higher education exist and though it may exist in Middle East, in most other Muslim cultures there is a lack of feasibility in segregation in most work places and hence men and women come into close contact. Not to mention that internet is something that cannot be 'censored', and it opens doors for most of to things we normally cannot access--even if the government decided to block all profane websites which could have objectionable material, even restrict the search results of images to those acceptable in nature, online friendships between people cannot be stopped.
Secondly, if it's not obvious enough, the current world we live in does have provisions for segregation of sexes in most contexts and it would require a complete makeover of our social, economic, educational and political sector as well as some very tricky censorship of the media. And then a very decisive brainwashing of many inhabitants.
And not as a third thing but as an independent point: whether you were born in Madinatul Nabi in 10 AH or in Las Vegas in 2000 AD, there is always a significant percentage of people who will not follow the cultural mindset. In the ideal Islamic state, something we can never achieve, there was one reported case of r*pe and more than dozen acts of adultery. Yes, small in comparison to our current setup but it proves my point. The probability of students/people indulging in acts dictated profane by any standard, will never be 1 or 0. Not until the world is to sustain anyhow; it's a violation of the study of sociology to assume all inhabitants will be uniformly 'good' or 'bad'. So be it a segregated schooling system or a coeducational one, there will be sex-driven teenagers in the former and 'pious' teenagers in the latter. And often, the ratios are surprising.
So, yes, I would support segregation of sexes and education in that context, but as you can see it can only make sense if my ideal image of an Islamic state is 'somewhat' followed, which even in Middle East, is not sufficient. Not because of the laws themselves but because people find no need to segregate sexes in their day-to-day lives, hence the system would only work if there was actually an understanding of the fact that it's needed. Education isn't ruined simply because you're studying with dudes or with chicks, so stressing on education makes no sense unless we as a community who believe in such principles, actually desire their implementation rather than accept them as a cultural burden we must carry.
To illustrate this, I'll give a personal example. My sister is a chain smoker, so there are cigarettes lying around all the time. She's (currently) in perfect health too and claims smoking helps her lose weight and stay sane. There are times when I feel like I want to die and need a break, and it would seem that I have enough curiosity to smoke a cigarette. I've even observed a cigarette itself once or twice, sniffing it out of curiosity. But what keeps me from actually lighting the cigarette? My resolve that I must not smoke no matter what, because it's dangerous. Our society does not, for the most part, have the resolve that we must not indulge in intimate relationships with the opposite sex outside marriage no matter what. Even if we do, we have no reason for it. And the reason, God, is so fragile for us that even girls who do not involve themselves in relations with boys, find themselves battling inside all the time and feel inferior. Hence, they emerge as weak people, demeaning their value as students and people alike.
Anyway, back to the debate itself. :P So yes, in our current world setup I prefer coeducation. From my own experience, I studied in coeducation up till fifth grade, after which I started studying in a girls only school. I hate that school from the depth of my heart; the politics and drama was irritating. And in my time there, there were two astounding incidents which opened my eyes to gruel reality of single-sex schools--an older student ran away from school with her date in his car, pretending he's her relative. He took the opportunity the girl underwent severe sexual abuse--for the sake of the forum's pleasant atmosphere, I will not go into details. She was found injured with her skull cracked in front of a college's gate--possibly nude. During my second last year at the school, another girl ran away with a boy. But here's the real horror: she was a sixth grader, 11 years old and her 'boyfriend' was an A-Level student, at least 17 years old. And she didn't just go on a date, she actually ran away and started to live with him 'because her parents didn't understand'.
For my A-Levels I went to a coeducational institute and found myself set free--two most amazing years of my life. There was politics and drama, as usual, but since there was a large number of guys, it could never take over my life. I had no male friends, only acquaintances whom I could speak with occasionally. Because I was the only girl in my batch who performed hijab, guys mostly avoided me--yet, I found myself a place there.
The difference in being in a single-sex school and a coeducational institute was simple: if I was to talk about boys in the former school, there would be scandals. Teases. Allegations. And sometimes, if you're in the 'other' kind of crowd, they were start drooling on random boys like their cousins or family friends. Or boys they met in preschool and have/had a crush on. Switch to coeducational: talk of boys as if they're 'normal' existence. No one will accuse you of crushes, dating or the like if you comment how XYZ is so bitter in class. Guys being perverts in coeducational? Not usually. Mark who you are, aka what kind of relationship you want to indulge in, and guys will just hanker after someone who is available. Like desperate teenage girls from the single-sex schools.
Again, to say all single-sex school students are desperate for the opposite sex or that nothing ever goes wrong in a coeducational school is ridiculous. In my two years I saw many unacceptable public displays of affection, but once the administration took charge of the situation, such incidences started to minimize.
xD Sorry for the long post. If someone actually finished this, you're brave. :P
Agreed, my friend. ;)
I had no male friends, only acquaintances whom I could speak with occasionally. Because I was the only girl in my batch who performed hijab, guys mostly avoided me--yet, I found myself a place there.
Same here.
It's funny seeing that most of the 'Muslim' guys were put off by girls wearing hijab. ::)
Not that I mind though. ;D
Just makes me worry about the future generation. ::)
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It's funny seeing that most of the 'Muslim' guys were put off by girls wearing hijab. ::)
Not that I mind though. ;D
Just makes me worry about the future generation. ::)
I know! Exactly my feelings ::) It just shows that boys only talk to girls if they've got something to show...or a strong majority, anyhow. It's also possible that some of them don't want to come across as offensive or intrusive which would in turn cause them to look as perverts, which actually makes me feel special. :P
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I read it through! 8)
Interesting points though... I think single-sex schools are more likely to be 'prosperous' in terms of studies; though no denying the fact that coeducation increases class competition....
Coeducation can come later in Uni when people finally get a grip over their wild minds... ::)
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I know! Exactly my feelings ::) It just shows that boys only talk to girls if they've got something to show...or a strong majority, anyhow. It's also possible that some of them don't want to come across as offensive or intrusive which would in turn cause them to look as perverts, which actually makes me feel special. :P
True that, it's possible that could be the case as well. :P
Coeducation can come later in Uni when people finally get a grip over their wild minds... ::)
It will be too hard to adjust then. It's better if they get used to it from high school. Imo.
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It will be too hard to adjust then. It's better if they get used to it from high school. Imo.
Adjust? LOL one year and they'll be fine...its a win win situation ::)
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Adjust? LOL one year and they'll be fine...its a win win situation ::)
In that one year, there'll be too many loses.
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In that one year, there'll be too many loses.
Losses? Studies you mean? :-\
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Losses? Studies you mean? :-\
When both the genders are exposed to each other for the first time, they go wild. Literally.
Although, it depends on the individual's choice and desire, there's always peer pressure.
Deviation from studies, moral behaviour and loss of family trust.
They ought to be 'used' to both gender's company before hand, imo.
On the other hand, I always prefer segregation to be maintained.
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if the school can control the students then co education is better...but without proper control over students co education can be disastrous...even the studying students will be spoilt...
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if the school can control the students then co education is better...but without proper control over students co education can be disastrous...even the studying students will be spoilt...
True that ...
It all depends on the individual ... on their intention. :)
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revive? maybe some of the New members have something to share regarding this topic =]
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how it goes in our school:
LKG to 4th grade: Boys and girls in the same class :P
5th grade to 10th: separate
11th and 12th (AS and AL): same class for both genders.
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When I saw the topic of the debate, I immediately jumped on it to comment. However, it was as though Abod took the words right out of my mouth! :) Yes, earlier on, girls and boys can, and should be in the same class, as they are more likely to form healthy, not disastrous, relationships with each other. It's during their teens that things can go wrong, and they should be separated for their own good, due to their raging hormones... ::) I've seen a lot of this in the co-ed schools in my own country. However, they can be in the same classes later on, when they're a little more mature.
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The separation results in social inadequacies for those who don't have contact with the opposite sex outside of school. This results in a deprivation of social abilities and could result in an inability to communicate properly to the other gender. Although I go to an all-boy school, I think it is in the best interests of all that there are co-ed schools.
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Same class. Being in separate classes is hardly going to change people's intentions.
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Same class. Being in separate classes is hardly going to change people's intentions.
It's bad! Real bad.
I know people who've changed their sexual orientation all thanks being stuck in a class with the same sex for years. ::)
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It's bad! Real bad.
I know people who've changed their sexual orientation all thanks being stuck in a class with the same sex for years. ::)
lol hopefully you go to a mixed school then
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lol hopefully you go to a mixed school then
Haha, I went to both.
Even with co-education, limitation is necessary.
Moderation is required. :)
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Thanks alot guys this debatethread would help with my essay ;D
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I think it is better for mix classes because as Ned said it becomes harder to talk to the opposite sex, but i also think that schools should monitor the behavior or the kids go astray and then problems start to happen
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There should be a mix of single sex and co-ed, but frankly society is going nuts. In Japan the population is dying out because men and women are not meeting, and in the UK girls are sexting boys with photos.
I am not optimistic about anything. There are no answers.
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Due to my past experience if boys and girls haven't been separated in totally different buildings it doesn't make a difference. But I would say mixed because now after being separated I feel totally out of place in mixed.
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Pupils in single sex schools tend to get better exam results.
Pupils in mixed schools tend to be more confident.
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i am in a mix and i think it doesnt affect much. i was also studied in a separated schools so please explain
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Boys and girls are distracted by each other.
On the other hand, if they don't mix, no babies will ever be born and the human race will die out.