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Yahoo>Answers>Religion and Spirituality
Marfa Lights
Marfa, Texas
The Marfa Lights have baffled scientists since the first recorded sighting in 1883. Visible only on clear nights, the weird yellowish-green orbs float, bounce around, and vanish then reappear over the Mitchell Flats, just outside of Marfa, Texas. Explanations range from the mundane (mirages, car taillights) to the otherworldly (alien spacecrafts, displaced souls), but the fun of these inexplicable lights is certainly in the mystery. Each Labor Day weekend, Marfa residents celebrate the phenomenon at the Marfa Lights Festival. The three-day fest – complete with live music, street parties, and local arts and crafts vendors – kicks off with a Friday night parade and has become a reunion for former Marfa residents and mystery lights fanatics alike (there are several full books on the topic, by the way). Year round, visitors flock to the viewing center, about 10 miles east of Marfa, for a glimpse of the mystifying glows.
Why can't science explain what is going on. This makes science a total fail.
Posted by.*****
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Yahoo>Answers>Religion and Spirituality
Marfa Lights
Marfa, Texas
The Marfa Lights have baffled scientists since the first recorded sighting in 1883. Visible only on clear nights, the weird yellowish-green orbs float, bounce around, and vanish then reappear over the Mitchell Flats, just outside of Marfa, Texas. Explanations range from the mundane (mirages, car taillights) to the otherworldly (alien spacecrafts, displaced souls), but the fun of these inexplicable lights is certainly in the mystery. Each Labor Day weekend, Marfa residents celebrate the phenomenon at the Marfa Lights Festival. The three-day fest – complete with live music, street parties, and local arts and crafts vendors – kicks off with a Friday night parade and has become a reunion for former Marfa residents and mystery lights fanatics alike (there are several full books on the topic, by the way). Year round, visitors flock to the viewing center, about 10 miles east of Marfa, for a glimpse of the mystifying glows.
Why can't science explain what is going on. This makes science a total fail.
Posted by.*****
Just because some questions can't be answered doesn't make Science a fail. Science has produced miracles..
How can this guy be calling science a total fail when he is asking the question in the internet ?
Seems like a brain-fault... ::)
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Science is not a "total fail". If it was, he wouldn't be using his computer or mobile to post this in Yahoo Answers.
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I think he meant that by using science, You dont get answers but more and more questions thus destroying the whole originality of the concept
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I think he meant that by using science, You dont get answers but more and more questions thus destroying the whole originality of the concept
He must be the guy flashing Disco lights out there and calling them Marfa Lights.... ::)
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He must be the guy flashing Disco lights out there and calling them Marfa Lights.... ::)
LOL but it is true innit?
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LOL but it is true innit?
javascript:void(0) ;D
Science has yet to answer many things. Universe is too complex for us to crack it up in a millenium but I believe the time will come when we will find the answers.... Just that I will be a vengeful ghost by that time. ;D
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javascript:void(0) ;D
Science has yet to answer many things. Universe is too complex for us to crack it up in a millenium but I believe the time will come when we will find the answers.... Just that I will be a vengeful ghost by that time. ;D
Oh man i love this guy
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Never heard of godels incompleteness theorem? Not everything can be proved in a self consistent way.
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+ there is smthn called *the unknown * that some ppl who r followers of specific religions r supposed to believe in . and some of these stuff are not yet explained ;)
P.S. science SOMETIMES fails to xplain some stuff :)
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Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
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I call it hypocrisy when people sit in the comfort of their homes and question the essence of science.
If it weren't for science we'd all be dead by the age of 30 or so (considering there were no medical breakthroughs).
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If it weren't for science we'd all be dead by the age of 30 or so (considering there were no medical breakthroughs).
Then we wouldnt be cursed by old age.
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If it weren't for science we'd all be dead by the age of 30 or so (considering there were no medical breakthroughs).
Then we wouldnt be cursed by old age.
I'm sure nobody wants to be dead by 30. So, old age is a blessing in fact that you can see the world for a longer period. Its not a curse if you follow health regulations strictly. You can be both healthy and old.
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dont agree with u ther xena...religion w/o science IS NOT blind..religion is pure faith..PURE faith...n that would mean faith w/o any base...any proof...science is proof..and if one goes lookin fr scientific reasons behind evrythin thats in religion...religion loses its purpose
what im sayin is that religion doesnt need science...and science is well..tryin to xplain us all hw n y n wen we evolved..while religion duznt even hav to do nethin abt Y u evolved..its jst v direct..ur ther..and then we're given a particular way thats to be folowed to lead our lives!
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so i definitely definitely think SCIENCE CANNOT prove everything!
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Was this even a debatable topic to begin with?
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Was this even a debatable topic to begin with?
I suppose. :-\
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dont agree with u ther xena...religion w/o science IS NOT blind..religion is pure faith..PURE faith...n that would mean faith w/o any base...any proof...science is proof..and if one goes lookin fr scientific reasons behind evrythin thats in religion...religion loses its purpose
what im sayin is that religion doesnt need science...and science is well..tryin to xplain us all hw n y n wen we evolved..while religion duznt even hav to do nethin abt Y u evolved..its jst v direct..ur ther..and then we're given a particular way thats to be folowed to lead our lives!
Pure faith? :D haha So you trust everything that somebody tells you? ::)
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no i purely believe evrythin my religion tells me..my holy book tells me:| and well thats not what the debate is abt so well i dont wana talk abt it..it gets deeper n that wud brin religion and well none of us are suposed to discus that here...
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no i purely believe evrythin my religion tells me..my holy book tells me:| and well thats not what the debate is abt so well i dont wana talk abt it..it gets deeper n that wud brin religion and well none of us are suposed to discus that here...
Let's discuss it by not going into religion then.. ;)
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nah i am not interested in discusin..interested only in answerin the q the debates all abt ..wich i alrdy did..so well tata :P
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nah i am not interested in discusin..interested only in answerin the q the debates all abt ..wich i alrdy did..so well tata :P
Don't worry. No one will insult your religion. That's what they are not allowed at any cost.
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HAHA OFCOURSE NOT i do know that..and i only replied to xenas post...my only intention to post in this particular section was to answer the q!!!!!!!!!!!!! so i am seriously NOT interested in any discussion-simple!:)
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LOL, okay. GoodBye then. ;)
Lunch time!
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not yet hre..its just 12 :P i hav my lunch at 3 o sth!
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I am having my lunch. :P
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ur lunch wil curse u :P ur not concentratin on it but rather all eyes on SF:D
man im watchin rachel allen-bake on travel and living and the only thing its doin is floodin my mouth wt water...amazin cup cakes :( :D
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Nah, I went offline to have lunch. *
Anyway, anyway.
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I agree that there are many things science is not able to prove for now the big one is existence of god like people say god made adam and eve and we are their children and than science says we evolve from monkeys so there are many things and many questions which can not be answered or proven by science...:)
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Science was invented by man so it has to have flaws nd it cannot explain everythin because not everything is disclosed to man so how can u expect science to be perfect nd religion is from God so there is absolutely no doubt in its perfection and its ability to explain nd give reasoning for everythin
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Well sais mtb & libra
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Bullshit.
Science has even managed to solve the whole mystery of chicken and egg.
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Bullshit.
Science has even managed to solve the whole mystery of chicken and egg.
It will add later, in some more years: theory limited by assumptions.
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It will add later, in some more years: theory limited by assumptions.
Much better than knowing nothing at all.
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Much better than knowing nothing at all.
EXACTLY > 8)
science may not prove some greater things...but at least it has tried to ....
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EXACTLY > 8)
science may not prove some greater things...but at least it has tried to ....
It has tried and has become successful in most cases in finding the causes and effects of something. In turn this has lead to discoveries of many other things which have improved our lifestyle dramatically.
But some people still has the obscure tendency to think science has failed, when they themselves are using many products of scientific invention.
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Much better than knowing nothing at all.
EXACTLY > 8)
science may not prove some greater things...but at least it has tried to ....
It has tried and has become successful in most cases in finding the causes and effects of something. In turn this has lead to discoveries of many other things which have improved our lifestyle dramatically.
But some people still has the obscure tendency to think science has failed, when they themselves are using many products of scientific invention.
We're talking about everything, not nothing or some things.
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We're talking about everything, not nothing.
Yes. ofc. ::)
As I said here:
It has tried and has become successful in most cases in finding the causes and effects of something. In turn this has lead to discoveries of many other things which have improved our lifestyle dramatically.
But some people still has the obscure tendency to think science has failed, when they themselves are using many products of scientific invention.
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well.......why are we criticizing science?
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well.......why are we criticizing science?
I guess we don't have anything else to do.
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lol :D
but this is going nowhere
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well.......why are we criticizing science?
We are not, not at least me. We are criticizing those who criticize science and themselves use many products of scientific invention, as like Alpha.
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As long as there are people who think tang is the greatest invention of science, not too likely.
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Of course its me. it could have been only me
"AS LIKE Alpha"
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"AS LIKE Alpha"
This one's not my post. I deleted it.
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This one's not my post. I deleted it.
So what, I remember it well.
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So what, I remember it well.
I remember too. I deleted it. Deleted.
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I remember too. I deleted it. Deleted.
Whatever. :P
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Whatever. :P
What does this mean?
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What does this mean?
The way you were insisting about the deleted post made me amused a bit. Thats it.
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Okay
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Why are you guys fighting?
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LOL. The old fights. :P
Why are you guys fighting?
I miss this funny but smart guy. :(
Let's revive this thread. :)
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LOL. The old fights. :P
I miss this funny but smart guy. :(
Let's revive this thread. :)
Science has proved everything from the time of your birth to the time you will at last be resting at a hospital. ::)
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Scientists can only draw conclusions on what they find, not on what they can't find. :P
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show any piece of technology to stone age man and he will think it is magic. there are a great many things yet to come which will answer questions we think impossible and will seem like magic too.
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I know of a man who lived 1400+ years ago and knew what science just discovered today.
How can science explain that man to me? ;)
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every body must learn what man discovered long ago. we are not born knowing all of human knowledge.
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every body must learn what man discovered long ago. we are not born knowing all of human knowledge.
And if someone who lived 1400+ years ago knew without having a telescope or even a bathroom invented scientific facts which are discovered today, then what shall we consider of such man?
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There were such. That the Earth is a sphere was discovered by the Greeks by experiment for example, but some believed for another 2000 years that it was flat.
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There were such. That the Earth is a sphere was discovered by the Greeks by experiment for example, but some believed for another 2000 years that it was flat.
The Earth was a sphere described in the Quran also, until recently..people thought it was flat.
Same would go to the Asexual reproduction, Human Embryonic Development, Mountains, moon's reflected light, rotating of the Earth and the list is very long to be listed.
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In fact knowledge progresses like this.
The Earth is flat.
The Earth is a sphere.
The Earth is an oblate spheroid.
The Earth is shaped like a potato.
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In fact knowledge progresses like this.
The Earth is flat.
The Earth is a sphere.
The Earth is an oblate spheroid.
The Earth is shaped like a potato.
“And the earth, moreover,
hath He made egg shaped.”
[Al-Qur’an 79:30]
The Arabic word for egg here is dahaahaa1 which means an ostrich-egg. The shape of an ostrich-egg resembles the geo-spherical shape of the earth.
Thus the Qur’an correctly describes the shape of the earth, though the prevalent notion when the Qur’an was revealed was that the earth was flat.
In early times, people believed that the earth wasflat. For centuries, men were afraid to venture outtoo far, for fear of falling off the edge! Sir Francis Drake was the first person who proved that the earth is spherical when he sailed around it in 1597.
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I think the Greeks were the first to say it was spherical. someone may have done it earlier.
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Science can prove most things as technology advances more and more, but some can not be explained eg. the mystery of "sleep", the source of "energy" in all atoms and molecules etc.
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in the end only some parts of philosophy will be unexplained - like why are we here
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in the end only some parts of philosophy will be unexplained - like why are we here
What do you say about the other scientific miracles written in the Quran 1400+ years ago? All perfectly described and written? ::)
http://www.islamicmedicine.org/medmiraclesofquran/medmiracleseng.htm
:O
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will look that up
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will look that up
You can always ask me anything you want! I can even get you more links from reliable sources, there are also videos by scientists themselves who are non-Muslims admitting the scientific miracles in the Quran written 1400+ years ago.
Here is just a sample :
Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 181 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following:
“The way it was explained to me is that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read, didn’t know [how] to write. In fact, he was an illiterate. And we’re talking about twelve [actually about fourteen] hundred years ago. You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements and statements and that are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. And I personally can’t see how this could be a mere chance. There are too many accuracies and, like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.”
Anyways, here is a better website : http://miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html better than the one I gave you before. You should browse it as it's very interesting. =]
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chance is possible. look up 'monkeys with typewriters on Google' or see that in spite of all the ways the atoms in the universe can be arranged, they are arranged just the way they ate.
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some law of physics (i forget which lol) the total chaos in a system is always increasing. therefore, end the topic before we find the whole system in a state of chaos
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some law of physics (i forget which lol) the total chaos in a system is always increasing. therefore, end the topic before we find the whole system in a state of chaos
LOL...I can't see any chaos happening or is going to happen. :O
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Technically it is 'entropy' that is increasing. That is a sort of chaos.
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The Arabic word for egg here is dahaahaa1 which means an ostrich-egg. The shape of an ostrich-egg resembles the geo-spherical shape of the earth.
Thus the Qur’an correctly describes the shape of the earth, though the prevalent notion when the Qur’an was revealed was that the earth was flat.
An ostrich egg may resemble a sphere, but it isn't. It's clearly elliptical. Big difference
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An ostrich egg may resemble a sphere, but it isn't. It's clearly elliptical. Big difference
Yeah just like the term used for 'sunset' and 'sunrise' by all the English teachers and newspapers is also wrong? Does the sun even move to set or rise? We'd be claiming that everything in English language is elliptical that way. ;)
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Language was made by people to explain how things appear, not how they are.
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Yeah just like the term used for 'sunset' and 'sunrise' by all the English teachers and newspapers is also wrong? Does the sun even move to set or rise? We'd be claiming that everything in English language is elliptical that way. ;)
The terms 'sunset' and 'sunrise' are not wrong. There is no point looking at it from a astronomically literal view since it is used as a means to signify the end of day or night from where that person is standing at the time. Therefore, it is appropriate to coin the movement of the sun as 'sunset' and 'sunrise' because it is simply a means of establishing where the position of the sun is from one particular place.
And please re-explain what you mean when you say "that everything in English language is elliptical that way", because your statement made no sense.
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well the history and present progress of scientists suggest that science is revealing the unknown things and the secrets of this universe. the concept of big bang theory, grand unified theory, evolution theory and so many advancements do make a point that due to the tireless hours of working and researches of scientists we are finding the details and remedies to our problems. like the development in the field of medicine, we can counter so many diseases which we couldn't do some decades back. we see a pattern of improvement only, the universe is comprehensible and people are making efforts to better understand it...
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I keep having nightmare visions of the future cos the birthrates are so low. The point will come when knowledge is forgotten cos there will not be enough people to know all that has been learnt. It will be pointless to say science can prove everything, cos to prove somethingtakes skill - one day all these skills will be lost.
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Yes birthrates are appallingly low, because people don't believe in family anymore.
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Because having a family is expensive.
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Taking loss of earnings into account, having a first child in the UK costs £30,000 a year.