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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: $tyli$h Executive on June 19, 2010, 04:05:23 pm
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Recently, the Pakistani government banned the social networking website Facebook because of some cartoons about Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).
Is the Pakistani government right to take such a drastic action in this and other similar circumstance?
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I highly appreciate the model of FB. It allows you to express yourself. But I personally think the Pakistani government is not right in outrightly banning FB. The cartoons about Muhammad (PBUH) were probably devised by some racist group, not by facebook itself. FB is just a platform to socialize and express your views, nothing more. And it is normal that different people will have different views about something. Why punish the whole website just for a few unscrupulous people who creates such racist groups...? Look at the good side! Friends and colleagues are able to socialize through it from great distances. Business is so easier.
And yes, there is a function to report such hate groups, but its practically impossible for FB employees to remove ALL hate groups. Even "hate groups" are a way to express yourself - a means of freedom of speech. If hate groups are removed, more will be created. And more and more. Practically impossible, and will undermine the ultimate purpose of facebook itself.
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Do you see Israel or Italy (a staunch Roman Catholic country) blocking FB because of hate groups with regards to Jews and Jesus respectively ?
No, you dont. They simply ignore it, banning FB only draws attention and gives those people that own these hate groups the gratification they desire.
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Do you see Israel or Italy (a staunch Roman Catholic country) blocking FB because of hate groups with regards to Jews and Jesus respectively ?
No, you dont. They simply ignore it, banning FB only draws attention and gives those people that own these hate groups the gratification they desire.
I hope You do not mean that pages that are accused of slightest bit of antisemitism are allowed to stay on facebook for more th*n a day?
This is HYPOCRISY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER that when i went on to create a page that was dedicated to Adolf Hitler just to piss off those guys who were drawing the pictures of my Beloved prophet,i was BANNED within hours.
You have also read the complaints section of facebook ?
It states and i repeat *Do you wish to ban this page because it smacks of racism and taunts a group of people*
We ARE SIMPLY DOING WHAT FACEBOOK WROTE ON ITS GUIDELINES
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@Arsenal The reporting of web sites on FB is dependent on the USERS of FB.
Do you think FB really wants stuff like that on their site; which could affect its viewership and ad revenue ?
Dont be silly man, everyone in this world ISNT AGAINST ISLAM !!!!
i went on to create a page that was dedicated to Adolf Hitler just to piss off those guys who were drawing the pictures of my Beloved prophet,i was BANNED within hours.
It is this attitude that gets you a bad name. Instead of trying to provoke them, why didnt you send FB a letter explaining your unhappiness at those cartoons ?
Did you achieve ANYTHING by posting that Page ?
THINK before you act and dont get all self-righteous with me.
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If Facebook is banned, then the press should be too.
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@Arsenal The reporting of web sites on FB is dependent on the USERS of FB.
Do you think FB really wants stuff like that on their site; which could affect its viewership and ad revenue ?
Dont be silly man, everyone in this world ISNT AGAINST ISLAM !!!!
It is this attitude that gets you a bad name. Instead of trying to provoke them, why didnt you send FB a letter explaining your unhappiness at those cartoons ?
Did you achieve ANYTHING by posting that Page ?
THINK before you act and dont get all self-righteous with me.
and facebook received 1.8 Million complaints for allowing that page.-_-
what do you mean i achieved anything by posting,i wasn't looking to achieve anything. i was merely practicing my freedom of speech which was being so cruelly taken advantage of.
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If Facebook is banned, then the press should be too.
ahahahahahah. Trueeee. :P
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and facebook received 1.8 Million complaints for allowing that page.-_-
what do you mean i achieved anything by posting,i wasn't looking to achieve anything. i was merely practicing my freedom of speech which was being so cruelly taken advantage of.
Freedom of speech can at times be unethical - you slandered the names of the millions that died under that bastard Hitler's rule.
Lets see if that affects your conscience.
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ahahahahahah. Trueeee. :P
Well yeah. Where is 'freedom' of expression else?
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If now you take away freedom of speech, then WHAT remains for us?
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I hope You do not mean that pages that are accused of slightest bit of antisemitism are allowed to stay on facebook for more th*n a day?
This is HYPOCRISY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER that when i went on to create a page that was dedicated to Adolf Hitler just to piss off those guys who were drawing the pictures of my Beloved prophet,i was BANNED within hours.
You have also read the complaints section of facebook ?
It states and i repeat *Do you wish to ban this page because it smacks of racism and taunts a group of people*
We ARE SIMPLY DOING WHAT FACEBOOK WROTE ON ITS GUIDELINES
Man, in FB, there are THOUSANDS of groups like that. What is more, there are millions of fan supporting those sites.
Just look at this. This group is protesting against Israel. There are 18 people supporting it. It doesn't get banned. I'm sure the israelis reading this group must've reported it.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ISRAEL-IS-VERY-BAD-RELIGION/124243214273095?ref=search
There are THOUSANDS of religious groups, just as there are thousands of anti-religious groups. This is just freedom of speech. And someone must've reported the page you created and it must've got attention of a moderator of FB.
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If now you take away freedom of speech, then WHAT remains for us?
I NEVER said that one's speech should be controlled - I stated that YOU, the person who says things, should practice more caution in what you say.
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Man, in FB, there are THOUSANDS of groups like that. What is more, there are millions of fan supporting those sites.
Just look at this. This group is protesting against Israel. There are 18 people supporting it. It doesn't get banned. I'm sure the israelis reading this group must've reported it.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ISRAEL-IS-VERY-BAD-RELIGION/124243214273095?ref=search
There are THOUSANDS of religious groups, just as there are thousands of anti-religious groups. This is just freedom of speech. And someone must've reported the page you created and it must've got attention of a moderator of FB.
Hey, the road is also a 'free' place. We cannot prevent people from manifesting from there. So, well, let's ban all the roads.
Come on, Facebook is a road too, where the laymen voices out his opinion. Where's the problem if it's virtual?
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Hey, the road is also a 'free' place. We cannot prevent people from manifesting from there. So, well, let's ban all the roads.
Come on, Facebook is a road too, where the laymen voices out his opinion. Where's the problem if it's virtual?
I'm not advocating that FB should be banned. Wrong supposition! :P
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I NEVER said that one's speech should be controlled - I stated that YOU, the person who says things, should practice more caution in what you say.
Okay, to whoever is against. I modified it.
I'm not advocating that FB should be banned. Wrong supposition! :P
I'm supplementing what you said. ;)
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It is just to weird
that fb receives millions of complaints yet didnt remove the page and my page which had barely so few members was removed.
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Man, in FB, there are THOUSANDS of groups like that. What is more, there are millions of fan supporting those sites.
Just look at this. This group is protesting against Israel. There are 18 people supporting it. It doesn't get banned. I'm sure the israelis reading this group must've reported it.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ISRAEL-IS-VERY-BAD-RELIGION/124243214273095?ref=search
There are THOUSANDS of religious groups, just as there are thousands of anti-religious groups. This is just freedom of speech. And someone must've reported the page you created and it must've got attention of a moderator of FB.
WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY
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WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY
That's why sites like Facebook should be encouraged to break down bias politicians.
By the way, typing in block letters is considered as shouting.
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That's why sites like Facebook should be encouraged to break down bias politicians.
By the way, typing in block letters is considered as shouting.
Very true, but I'll give him a chance. ;)
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That's why sites like Facebook should be encouraged to break down bias politicians.
By the way, typing in block letters is considered as shouting.
what the..
Dude why do you drift away from topics..bias politicans ?
Or my brain is small to comprehend your english
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WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY
The medium and the concept of Facebook is itself great enough. They are serving their responsibility well enough. Microsoft sells millions of office and windows CDs. Microsoft has MILLIONS of enemies. Their softwares are pirated like free stuffs. Does the Microsoft assumes the "responsibility" of burning those people who uses pirated product alive?! Bill Gates doesn't even care if his products are pirated in China and other developing countries. Because he knows, there will always be opposers, no matter how great something is.
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WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY
That is SO my liiinee! :-D
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That is SO my liiinee! :-D
perfect.
Am off.
Tea
bye
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what the..
Dude why do you drift away from topics..bias politicans ?
Or my brain is small to comprehend your english
Where am I drifting away...?
We are talking of Facebook, the 'Utopia' where freedom of expression really does reign on the virtual world, which is the replica of the press in the real world.
For those who don't know, the press is considered as the 4th power in a democracy, after the legislative, executive, and judiciary. And it is this press only that helps nations to rid of bias politicians, inflated megalomaniacs, discriminatory worms, senators for whom before their own selfish interests come nothing at all. The independent (course) press is the lantern that reveals most, if not all, of their under the table and in-the-dark, activities. And Facebook is also a medium of doing the same exposure. Politicians is one example I gave, there are many others if you look around well.
There are little chances of drifting away from the topic in a debate. You must have heard of the butterfly effect... A butterfly flapping its wings in Tokyo can influence the weather in California. :)
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Quite frankly when you guys are debating you need to come back down to earth.
FB is a biased platform, and is used to make a lot of money. The honest truth is this, nothing in this world is fair.
Now with the power of the Web, which as become an integral part of the press, it has become an influential factor in how we consider the reality of the events occurring.
The bottom line is, FB is abusing its powers, people look at it with too much hope, and most importantly it is biased to extremely liberal ideas.
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Where am I drifting away...?
We are talking of Facebook, the 'Utopia' where freedom of expression really does reign on the virtual world, which is the replica of the press in the real world.
For those who don't know, the press is considered as the 4th power in a democracy, after the legislative, executive, and judiciary. And it is this press only that helps nations to rid of bias politicians, inflated megalomaniacs, discriminatory worms, senators for whom before their own selfish interests come nothing at all. The independent (course) press is the lantern that reveals most, if not all, of their under the table and in-the-dark, activities. And Facebook is also a medium of doing the same exposure. Politicians is one example I gave, there are many others if you look around well.
There are little chances of drifting away from the topic in a debate. You must have heard of the butterfly effect... A butterfly flapping its wings in Tokyo can influence the weather in California. :)
So this is the definition of freedom of speech
Freedom of expression is one of the most fundamental rights that individuals enjoy. It is fundamental to the existence of democracy and the respect of human dignity. It is also one of the most dangerous rights, because freedom of expression means the freedom to express one's discontent with the status quo and the desire to change it.
What you are talking about is political freedom and should not be confused with freedom of speech
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So this is the definition of freedom of speech
Freedom of expression is one of the most fundamental rights that individuals enjoy. It is fundamental to the existence of democracy and the respect of human dignity. It is also one of the most dangerous rights, because freedom of expression means the freedom to express one's discontent with the status quo and the desire to change it.
What you are talking about is political freedom and should not be confused with freedom of speech
Strange coincidence... Both my answers will be similar. Direction:https://studentforums.biz/debates/taxes-and-charity!-what%27s-the-difference!!!/60/
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Everything in the world is biased.
Facebook is just a tool, an instrument people use.
People are biased. Facebook is not.
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Strange coincidence... Both my answers will be similar. Direction:https://studentforums.biz/debates/taxes-and-charity!-what%27s-the-difference!!!/60/
Political freedom has slowly and surely drifted away in its meaning from freedom of speech. Nowadays, when there is a market approach in every country people take criticism of government as God-Given right. Freedom of speech is occurs when you do struggle (correct me if i am wrong) to get your message across.
Thus insulting major religions , philosophies , important figures who are held dear to a very large population has now become the new definition of freedom of speech.
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Political freedom has slowly and surely drifted away in its meaning from freedom of speech. Nowadays, when there is a market approach in every country people take criticism of government as God-Given right. Freedom of speech is occurs when you do struggle (correct me if i am wrong) to get your message across.
Thus insulting major religions , philosophies , important figures who are held dear to a very large population has now become the new definition of freedom of speech.
We go around... People are biased, Facebook is not.
Even if you ban Facebook, they will find other ways. Maybe packed with their reasons. Making a scapegoat of Facebook is no way out.
Cut their tongues and hands then? I always thought Shah Jahan was foolish to cut people's hands, and not their tongues. ::)
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We go around... People are biased, Facebook is not.
Even if you ban Facebook, they will find other ways. Maybe packed with their reasons. Making a scapegoat of Facebook is no way out.
Cut their tongues and hands then? I always thought Shah Jahan was foolish to cut people's hands, and not their tongues. ::)
Facebook senorita needs to show that it cares for it's members.There was no intellect involved in that cursed page.Authors wanted to make fun of Islam.
Surely that is a reason enough for them to ban it?
And i dont care about other pages, they can do whatever they want but as far as i am concerned facebook with a muslim population of 4 million should have atleast banned the authors
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I still dont get why you are so pissed off about the damn cartoons....
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That's one among so many others...
Still, we cannot deny FB somehow also helps to propagate Islam.
Where there is to benefit, there is a cost also.
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I still dont get why you are so pissed off about the damn cartoons....
My Prophet is more dearer to me than my parents, that was what i was taught and that is what i believe
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My Prophet is more dearer to me than my parents, that was what i was taught and that is what i believe
I really dont care when people talk down about my religion or anything; its not like they have drastically changed my thoughts.
Who cares what they think ? I definitely dont.
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I really dont care when people talk down about my religion or anything; its not like they have drastically changed my thoughts.
Who cares what they think ? I definitely dont.
I have different views,i want everyone to respect other religions no matter how flawed they look
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I have different views,i want everyone to respect other religions no matter how flawed they look
You will never achieve that.
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Yes, because humans embrace a supremacist nature.
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My Prophet is more dearer to me than my parents, that was what i was taught and that is what i believe
ohkay that's strange.
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My Prophet is more dearer to me than my parents, that was what i was taught and that is what i believe
Good. But the world isn't a kindergarten. If people abuse any religion, others are here to retaliate.
You will never achieve that.
True. Unfortunate truth.
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I really dont care when people talk down about my religion or anything; its not like they have drastically changed my thoughts.
Who cares what they think ? I definitely dont.
Exactly like me. If somebody ridicules Islam, I don't care. Not like they are forcing me to believe anything.
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I have different views,i want everyone to respect other religions no matter how flawed they look
if u want others to respect our religion u have to respects others think for a second what image were u puttin up about islam when u made tht group was there a diff b/w u nd them whtever they did u did the same nd they actually achieved wht they wanted because they realli wanted the musims to react nd yea we did... thee were so many people in pakistan who went on strike burnt tyres temme one thing whose economy was affected the people who made the cartooons think nd then react sometimes there are stuff which have to be simply ignored
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People are just so addicted to FB! Thank Allah, I aint one of them :P
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if u want others to respect our religion u have to respects others think for a second what image were u puttin up about islam when u made tht group was there a diff b/w u nd them whtever they did u did the same nd they actually achieved wht they wanted because they realli wanted the musims to react nd yea we did... thee were so many people in pakistan who went on strike burnt tyres temme one thing whose economy was affected the people who made the cartooons think nd then react sometimes there are stuff which have to be simply ignored
Please do not point at another debater aggressively by saying "what image were you putting up" etc.
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People are just so addicted to FB! Thank Allah, I aint one of them :P
same here ;D
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People are just so addicted to FB! Thank Allah, I aint one of them :P
y does ever1 have a wrong idea abt FB , i hate that tbh ........ i use FB and believe me i am not an addict alhamdulilah + i ain't doin nothin wrong ..... well look at the +ve side of FB ,well ya ? lol
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y does ever1 have a wrong idea abt FB , i hate that tbh ........ i use FB and believe me i am not an addict alhamdulilah + i ain't doin nothin wrong ..... well look at the +ve side of FB ,well ya ? lol
Facebook is not actually meant to be used as many of us do. It could be used in many positive ways. We could share notes, and news about our subjects, teachers and classmates etc. The use of FB in business is much more on an useful scale. Sadly, teenagers use it for many useless purposes.
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Facebook is not actually meant to be used as many of us do. It could be used in many positive ways. We could share notes, and news about our subjects, teachers and classmates etc. The use of FB in business is much more on an useful scale. Sadly, teenagers use it for many useless purposes.
Sadly, yeah...
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Facebook is not actually meant to be used as many of us do. It could be used in many positive ways. We could share notes, and news about our subjects, teachers and classmates etc. The use of FB in business is much more on an useful scale. Sadly, teenagers use it for many useless purposes.
By the way even buisness ppl use it in useless purposes :P :P wallah. lol
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By the way even buisness ppl use it in useless purposes :P :P wallah. lol
They don't. Not usually. A real business person simply doesn't have the time to.
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They don't. Not usually. A real business person simply doesn't have the time to.
Well Said.