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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: $tyli$h Executive on March 11, 2010, 02:21:32 pm
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Should testing drugs on animals by pharmaceutical companies be allowed?
I think it should be allowed. To its fullest extent.
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Hand over your pets to the pharmaceutical companies. Cats, dogs, grandparents, parents, brothers and sisters included.
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LOL! NO WAY! :P :D
I think it should be allowed because it is for the long run benifit of humans. Some people will say 'animals feel pain too' and 'animals die during testing'. Animals may feel pain, but we should not be concerned about it as long as we are able to benifit from the manufacture of new drugs for cancer and AIDS etc. These drugs have the potential to save many humans and we should not care if a few animals are to be used to manufacture them accurately and successfully. And usually a small sample from the wild is used for the testing. Therefore, There should not be any risk of extinction.
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Hand over your pets to the pharmaceutical companies. Cats, dogs, grandparents, parents, brothers and sisters included.
lmao....
so true, would we ever do that??
We, humans, are so selfish
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The pharma companies will shoot you rather than let you leave if they give you a bad drug.
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Have you read The King of Torts by John Grisham sir?
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i think drug testing should be allowed to be tested on animals, in contrast they should chose animals with high population and animals that does not affects the food chains of other animals
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HUmans volunteer...then why do u need to kill animals ?
I think it's very inhumane to do such a thing
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I don't think its inhumane to use animals for drug testing.
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not a great thinking :(
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i think drug testing should be allowed to be tested on animals, in contrast they should chose animals with high population and animals that does not affects the food chains of other animals
hey you know there are no such animals which do not affect the food webs or food chains of other animals everyone is interconnected.
when it comes to testing drugs i think it should not at all be allowed because if it is and no humanity will be left and all the humans who maybe against this also will be termed as selfish.
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human life is more important than animal life, so losing an animal life better than losing human life
so drug testing should be allowed
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human life is more important than animal life, so losing an animal life better than losing human life
so drug testing should be allowed
Do not make assumptions. Whoever said this?
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human life is more important than animal life, so losing an animal life better than losing human life
so drug testing should be allowed
if there would be no animals than there would be no humans dude it is anyway the end of life..!!
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Samples selected for testing drugs on animals are usually in abundant population. So, it has NO significant adverse effect on their population to affect our food chain.
And yes, I whole heartedly agree that human life is much more important than animal life. By testing drugs on them, you come up with successful medicines for various illness which in turn, saves us humans. What does it matter if some animals are killed for this purpose? After all, they were created to serve us.
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Samples selected for testing drugs on animals are usually in abundant population. So, it has NO significant adverse effect on their population to affect our food chain.
And yes, I whole heartedly agree that human life is much more important than animal life. By testing drugs on them, you come up with successful medicines for various illness which in turn, saves us humans. What does it matter if some animals are killed for this purpose? After all, they were created to serve us.
i don't mean to fight with you but your last line in this statement is a bit rude.it is true that they were created to serve us but we had never got right to experiment on them and kill them. we can even try these on humans.
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. What does it matter if some animals are killed for this purpose? After all, they were created to serve us.
Whoever told you this....we, humans, just can't make absurd assumptions....This is preposterous!
I hope to continue my fight against individuals who have superiority complex....I strive for animal rights and I shall continue to do so....
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Whoever told you this....we, humans, just can't make absurd assumptions....This is preposterous!
I hope to continue my fight against individuals who have superiority complex....I strive for animal rights and I shall continue to do so....
drug testing on animals should be allowed,
human life is the most precious thing is the whole world,
so we must do anything to save it
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to save human life we need to save animal life.
half of the things we do, wear, or see is all through the resource of animals if they get killed because of this our surroundings will also be killed.
Half of the world's population too eats non-veg(i hate it i am pure veg) so what will they do now?
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to save human life we need to save animal life.
half of the things we do, wear, or see is all through the resource of animals if they get killed because of this our surroundings will also be killed.
Half of the world's population too eats non-veg(i hate it i am pure veg) so what will they do now?
animals will not die from these drug testing ,
and even if they died , one animal in a huge population, not a big loss to save humans lives
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it's not just that only one person will always do the testing and will only do just once.
this many people would do and maybe everyday they would do so it's not only one animal's loss it's a big amount.
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it's not just that only one person will always do the testing and will only do just once.
this many people would do and maybe everyday they would do so it's not only one animal's loss it's a big amount.
1000 animal in a huge population, not a big loss to save humans lives
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it is not possible to estimate how many animals wll be killed lets take 1000/month then?
12000 a year is not a big loss???
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it is not possible to estimate how many animals wll be killed lets take 1000/month then?
12000 a year is not a big loss???
they dont make new medicine each month
one drug testing normally takes more than 5 years
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drug testing on animals should be allowed,
human life is the most precious thing is the whole world,
so we must do anything to save it
Who told you is my question.....there's no point repeating your absurd statement. Humans can't make assumptions that they are the most precious blah blah....nonsense!
Learn to respect God's creations rather than exploiting them.....
From all the experience, humans are by far the most INHUMANE creation of God....
Give me an answer.....no point writing what you think....Facts are what matters!
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it seems like u love to talk too much
but im not that kind
so its only one thing
drug testing on animals should be allowed,
human life is the most precious thing is the whole world,
so we must do anything to save it
also , i respect god creations
and god created them so that human kind benefits from them in many ways , like drug testing
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Please refrain from using such tones
whether i like to talk much or not is none of your concern.....
Haha....repeated your lame statement again.....I can very well see you are not kind....And also that you have nothing to back your statements
There's no point doing international syllabus' and calling yourself global citizens with thoughts like these....
Humans are God's creation, so are animals, they should be treated equally, with the same kind of dignity and respect.....
We are interdependent, we have a mutual relationship with them, but we don't abide by the rules, we exploit them, give nothing in return
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there's no point arguing with u , just a waste of time
scientist and labs will continue doing drug testing on animals whether u like it or not and its the right thing
and i repeat the statement and will keep on repeating it
drug testing on animals should be allowed,
human life is the most precious thing is the whole world,
so we must do anything to save it
god created us and animals
but god gave us a mind,
so thats why we dont equal animals
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i don't mean to fight with you but your last line in this statement is a bit rude.it is true that they were created to serve us but we had never got right to experiment on them and kill them. we can even try these on humans.
You are getting a bit of irritating with that 'fight' thing again and again. First in the battle of the sexes topic, and then here. May I request you to not make such generalized statement over and over again? A debate is not a 'fight'.
My last line is not rude. It is the fact. God has created animals for the SOLE purpose to serve humans. Trying drugs on humans may have adverse effects on them, which is not tolerable. Trying drugs on animals does not always mean they will die. Even if some dies, it is very small relative to the whole population. We are ready to sacrifice it to save our fellow humans from dangerous disease like cancer. It is not bad. It is good.
I don't think its unethical to use animals for drug testing. As long as we can make medicines for diseases and find more about the working of the body, its ok.
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Whoever told you this....we, humans, just can't make absurd assumptions....This is preposterous!
I hope to continue my fight against individuals who have superiority complex....I strive for animal rights and I shall continue to do so....
Excuse me, but I don't have a superiority complex. If I state the FACT, it becomes a superiority complex, isn't it?
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to save human life we need to save animal life.
half of the things we do, wear, or see is all through the resource of animals if they get killed because of this our surroundings will also be killed.
Half of the world's population too eats non-veg(i hate it i am pure veg) so what will they do now?
Again, few animals die from drug testing. Some does, but its not enough to affect the food chain. So, we will not be affected in any way. (Letting aside the fact that only those animals who are in abundant population are used for drug testing)
You are a vegetarian - this is your problem.
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it's not just that only one person will always do the testing and will only do just once.
this many people would do and maybe everyday they would do so it's not only one animal's loss it's a big amount.
'People' don't test drugs. Its the pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer, Square etc. Therefore, there is NO evidence that its a 'big amount'.
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Who told you is my question.....there's no point repeating your absurd statement. Humans can't make assumptions that they are the most precious blah blah....nonsense!
Learn to respect God's creations rather than exploiting them.....
From all the experience, humans are by far the most INHUMANE creation of God....
Give me an answer.....no point writing what you think....Facts are what matters!
YES, Facts are what matters - and you must accept the fact that animals were created to serve us humans.
We are respecting God and his creations, by using animals to our benefit, for which he created them. Drug testing being one of them to invent medicines for diseases
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Please refrain from using such tones
whether i like to talk much or not is none of your concern.....
Haha....repeated your lame statement again.....I can very well see you are not kind....And also that you have nothing to back your statements
There's no point doing international syllabus' and calling yourself global citizens with thoughts like these....
Humans are God's creation, so are animals, they should be treated equally, with the same kind of dignity and respect.....
We are interdependent, we have a mutual relationship with them, but we don't abide by the rules, we exploit them, give nothing in return
We have a mutual relationship - I agree - in the form of food chain. I explained earlier (in the previous page) how drug testing would not significantly affect the food chain.
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There's no point doing international syllabus' and calling yourself global citizens with thoughts like these....
hahahahhahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
this sentence made me laugh for 3 min
can u plz tell the thoughts that made u a global citizen? and i think u should be promoted to The Universe Citizen
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'no point'? is that so? I really don't think so.
We have a 'point' to enable drug testing on animals - To save our fellow humans by inventing medicines against incurable diseases.
On the contrary, I see 'no point' in not allowing drugs to be tested on animals. Firstly, their population is not affected to a great extent to affect us humans (through the food chain). Secondly, human race gains because of the invention of new medicines for new diseases. What more do you want?
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Again, few animals die from drug testing. Some does, but its not enough to affect the food chain. So, we will not be affected in any way. (Letting aside the fact that only those animals who are in abundant population are used for drug testing)
You are a vegetarian - this is your problem.
i will not have any problem with me being a vegetarian.
i don't eat animals i am talking about the people who love eating non-veg they too will have very less choices than.
it is not any of my problem.
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i will not have any problem with me being a vegetarian.
i don't eat animals i am talking about the people who love eating non-veg they too will have very less choices than.
it is not any of my problem.
when they make drug testing on animals
they chose animal that we dont eat , like , mouse ,. .....etc
they rarely chose animal , that humans eat
because they will be afraid of any mutations to happen
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without testing on animals, it would not be possible to ensure, that the product would not have side-effects on animals.
And thus, you would have to rely purely on theoretical info to say that something was safe. Thats wat they thought of CFCs, theoretically, they should be harmless, but they react wierd when under UV.
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hahahahhahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
this sentence made me laugh for 3 min
can u plz tell the thoughts that made u a global citizen? and i think u should be promoted to The Universe Citizen
That made u laugh, omg! tsk tsk tsk......
And couldn't someone see my past statements that would recognize me as a global citizen......anyway u r no one to promote or demote me....
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That made u laugh, omg! tsk tsk tsk......
And couldn't someone see my past statements that would recognize me as a global citizen......anyway u r no one to promote or demote me....
i said u should be promoted to "The universe citizen"
but u didnt got the promotion yet ;D
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i said u should be promoted to "The universe citizen"
but u didnt got the promotion yet ;D
Thanks for the suggestion....
but no one requires it :P
P.S- Everything that happens in the debate section stays here.....so don't be p*ssed at me....lol
Some ppl take debate arguments too srsly
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Excuse me, but I don't have a superiority complex. If I state the FACT, it becomes a superiority complex, isn't it?
Lol...borakk....How can u assume, or rather I assume that everything you state is a fact......maybe some statements i can....but this one is too ridiculous to be a fact.....
back your statements with evidence.......
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Thanks for the suggestion....
but no one requires it :P
P.S- Everything that happens in the debate section stays here.....so don't be p*ssed at me....lol
Some ppl take debate arguments too srsly
im no taking it seriously ;)
just for fun ;D ;D ;D
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Lol...borakk....How can u assume, or rather I assume that everything you state is a fact......maybe some statements i can....but this one is too ridiculous to be a fact.....
back your statements with evidence.......
It is a fact that testing drugs helps us to develop good medicines for diseases - more accurately than otherwise.
This statement is not ridiculous. The statement "it is wrong to kill animals" has no justification, and thus is a mere assumption.
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Lol borakk...
Killing is an offence. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :P
It is a fact that testing drugs helps us to develop good medicines for diseases - more accurately than otherwise.
Agreed....but the testing would be more effective if tested on humans than on animals....cause finally its humans who will respond to the drug, not the animal....so what's the point in merely killing a harmless soul when the result it shows might be quite a contrast from what humans would show....So many human volunteers, then why animals...
By the way this ws not the ridiculous statement...
The lame statement was "animals are made to serve humans"---> ASSUMPTIONS.....Just because humans evolved way faster than animals did, doesn't mean we can lay down rules like these....lol...no wayy
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Killing for the betterment of human race is not an offence. ::) :P
Testing on humans? So many drugs are rejected due to harmful or poisonous effect. Human volunteers? We wouldn't kill humans or harm them by testing drugs on them. The effect on animals are often the same as the effect on humans later on. So, better test on animals and not put the life of a human at risk.
"Animals were made to serve humans" - It is a FACT, dearie! :P
Just see - who controls everything? We, or them? Who has the ability to think and reason? We, or them? And you'll get the answer.
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"Animals were made to serve humans" - It is a FACT, dearie!"
Just because you said it...doesn't mean it's a fact
Humans may be more developed but that doesn't give them any rights to kill, for their betterment or someone else's
"Killing for the betterment of human race is not an offence."---Killing of any kind is an offence....God says. Even an atheist won't deny this fact....lol :P This attitude is the most significant reason of mass killing(war) today....cause we have divided the human race on basis of caste ,creed nd color...and there's always a tiff between them...We all kill to protect our kinda ppl....It starts from the roots..HERE!
You think only humans have the ability to think,reason blah.....
Dear, I am a biology student and I have keen interest in animals(which u should've spotted by now :P :P ). Take time and watch NGC,discovery and Animal Planet....and see how much smarter they are compared to humans.....They are God's marvels...Look what we are doing to them...
Go check the population of humans...we r exploding!!
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It is a fact. Doesn't matter if you deny it. :P
Its a common sense ( :P ) that we are superior to animals in thinking, logic and other abilities. They say, monkeys are 99% human. Why don't I see monkeys dominating humans, then? I watch animal planet sometimes. Enjoy it. But there is NO conclusive evidence that they are superior to human. They are often stronger, but lacks the mental ability.
Now back to the topic.
"Testing on humans? So many drugs are rejected due to harmful or poisonous effect. Human volunteers? We wouldn't kill humans or harm them by testing drugs on them. The effect on animals are often the same as the effect on humans later on. So, better test on animals and not put the life of a human at risk."
You have anything to say against this?
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It is a fact. Doesn't matter if you deny it. :P
Its a common sense ( :P ) that we are superior to animals in thinking, logic and other abilities. They say, monkeys are 99% human. Why don't I see monkeys dominating humans, then? I watch animal planet sometimes. Enjoy it. But there is NO conclusive evidence that they are superior to human. They are often stronger, but lacks the mental ability.
Now back to the topic.
"Testing on humans? So many drugs are rejected due to harmful or poisonous effect. Human volunteers? We wouldn't kill humans or harm them by testing drugs on them. The effect on animals are often the same as the effect on humans later on. So, better test on animals and not put the life of a human at risk."
You have anything to say against this?
C'mon....everything u say isn't a fact....get it right....
Lack mental ability....ever had a pet, u'd knw....
You know how many animals have saved human lives, this is what we giv them in return....
"Testing on humans? So many drugs are rejected due to harmful or poisonous effect. Human volunteers? We wouldn't kill humans or harm them by testing drugs on them. The effect on animals are often the same as the effect on humans later on. So, better test on animals and not put the life of a human at risk."
Why don't you think the same way for animals huh? Why kill them then if not humans??!!
This is pure selfish thinking....
Next time back your statements with evidences, rather than reiterating them pointlessly
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Lacks mental ability - yes. Dogs are faithful. But can they interact with humans? Can they trick us? can they speak like us? Can they..........? :P
"Testing on humans? So many drugs are rejected due to harmful or poisonous effect. Human volunteers? We wouldn't kill humans or harm them by testing drugs on them. The effect on animals are often the same as the effect on humans later on. So, better test on animals and not put the life of a human at risk."
There is obvious evidence to proof this statement. Don't think I need to iterate them. Tell me if I need to get into detail. You should have understood why I said this anyway. ::)
Humans are precious than animals. Think - Would you be hurt, to a greater extent, if a human dies, or a pet? Do you read stories of animals dying on daily newspapers?
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I will only reply to your last point cause I've replied to the previous ones and clearly you haven't made any efforts to understand
To your last point, I will publish them when I have a printing press...lol...
No one cares about animals, so evn if 1000 dogs die, no one will care enough to publish them....
I am equally hurt when my pet dies or my family member dies...I've experienced both.
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If you think my thinking is selfish, its because its logical. Often logical statements seem selfish. :P
I can understand you are very sentimental. :P
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I am equally hurt when my pet dies or my family member dies...I've experienced both.
wow ...
wat kind of relation do u have with animals ??
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LOVE
:o ??
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You mean you love your pets just like your mom or dad? :S
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You mean you love your pets just like your mom or dad? :S
Why does it come to you as a shock :o :o ?? :-\ :-\
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Oh, well. Just that you are so sentimental.
Take it easy.
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ya stylish it is obvious that when you are so attached to a thing or a person or maybe even your pet you definately love them and if they go away you would hardly have a second without remembering them. :) :)
@nid-how cool you had a pet?? :)?
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Not any more than my parents or my family members! :S!!!
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LOVE
:o ??
those animals that u share love with,
some of them , will attack u once they see u , like , sharks ,lions, bears, crocodile,......etc
so i dont think u can make love with animals
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Lol....It's not being sentimental...It's being human ::) :P
@angel of love- hmm, there ws once a baby red bulbul on my terrace, injured, my grandmom ws sitting thiere, reading a book, when she noticed it, she knew it couldn't fly, and it ws vulnerable to attack from other birds, so she got him home
We took care of it, it became healthy nd beautiful...ready to fly. It was with for for 6-8 months....the most loving and amusing thing ever.. Soon, we thought we should let it go, we did, I cried a lot that day....cause i missed it, more than that i was worried it would be attacked agn...We see a few bulbuls on our trees, we hope one of them is ours :)
Then I had a cat, Toyger breed, called him stripes.... with us for 3 years, died cause of a heart disease, terrible day
Now I have a lab-Ruby, she love me unconditionally, just the way i love her...got her when she ws a month old...Now she is 5yrs strong :)
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those animals that u share love with,
some of them , will attack u once they see u , like , sharks ,lions, bears, crocodile,......etc
so i dont think u can make love with animals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNv2A4Kfx4k
Plz watch this
your last line sounds vulgar :P :P
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those animals that u share love with,
some of them , will attack u once they see u , like , sharks ,lions, bears, crocodile,......etc
so i dont think u can make love with animals
i don't think that animals always attack on humans.
haven't u heard of a story which like this:
there was a man who was going by a jungle saw a lion who was hurt by a thorn in his legs and the man saved him without being afraid of the lion. After years the lion was hungry and and he passed by the man who had saved him and did not eat him because he remembered his kindness.
THIS IS THE LOVE BETWEEN ANIMALS AND HUMANS..!!! :) :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNv2A4Kfx4k
Plz watch this
your last line sounds vulgar :P :P
nice video
but i think its a trained lion
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It ws in the wild for more than year....
What about the wife of the lion....wild since birth?? ;)
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i don't think that animals always attack on humans.
haven't u heard of a story which like this:
there was a man who was going by a jungle saw a lion who was hurt by a thorn in his legs and the man saved him without being afraid of the lion. After years the lion was hungry and and he passed by the man who had saved him and did not eat him because he remembered his kindness.
THIS IS THE LOVE BETWEEN ANIMALS AND HUMANS..!!! :) :)
this is a bed time story , for children
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It ws in the wild for more than year....
What about the wife of the lion....wild since birth?? ;)
the lion wife cant do anything without her lion husband order ;D
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the lion wife cant do anything without her lion husband order ;D
Absolutely not...:|
A Lion(male or female)will hardly ever behave recessive
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By the way the lion itself ws never trained....you can read the whole story...
I won't be lying...there's a movie on this as well
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By the way the lion itself ws never trained....you can read the whole story...
I won't be lying...there's a movie on this as well
okay , lets say 100 lions in 1 million lion population are gd ,,
no difference , they are still very dangerous
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Like we are less dangerous to them.....We always interfere in their lives...why can't we jst let them live in peace
Bhagwan, kuch toh buddhi do in logon ko.....kya hoga iss duniya ka
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i don't think that animals always attack on humans.
haven't u heard of a story which like this:
there was a man who was going by a jungle saw a lion who was hurt by a thorn in his legs and the man saved him without being afraid of the lion. After years the lion was hungry and and he passed by the man who had saved him and did not eat him because he remembered his kindness.
THIS IS THE LOVE BETWEEN ANIMALS AND HUMANS..!!! :) :)
Whether we should love or hate animals is not the purpose of this topic. They should generally be loved. But not more than our fellow humans. This is what I think.
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People think differently....and it's perfectly fine
After all, it's jst their views
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Nid, you changed ID? Good, your previous one (nid404) was better than the new one! :) ;)
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Nid, you changed ID? Good, your previous one (nid404) was better than the new one! :) ;)
I jst felt like goin back to my traditional id..lol...thanks :)
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Like we are less dangerous to them.....We always interfere in their lives...why can't we jst let them live in peace
Bhagwan, kuch toh buddhi do in logon ko.....kya hoga iss duniya ka
because if we had not interfered with them , the human kind would had vanished long time ago
i didnt understand the second line
translate
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that wasn't meant for anyone, it ws a short msg to God....nuin to know as such
Interaction is neccessary, not interference
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by killing animals wouldn't that create a break in food chain.....
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In my opinion... it should be allowed.... BUT WAIT... there should be limitations... i mean we don't want to massacre the animal kingdom....
I had a pet cat... which died 3 years ago... and I cried so much for it...but I don't think that I would love the cat as much as my mother or father...
That's like choosing...would you rather let an animal die...and save thousands of lives...or would you not make the medicine...and let the thousands of people die... but you saved the life of an animal :D....
Imagine this... all of a sudden your nearest of relatives died... 1000 of them..... your mom...ur dad..ur brother...sister... aunti...uncle..cousin...friends...so on and so forth..... imagine the grief upon you... would you rather have all those people back or keep that cat in your arms....
a small loss for a large gain is in my opinion fine...
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One man can do the same. why an animal? Just because it is defenseless? That's not the reason why you should end up using them as guinea pigs.
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In my opinion... it should be allowed.... BUT WAIT... there should be limitations... i mean we don't want to massacre the animal kingdom....
I had a pet cat... which died 3 years ago... and I cried so much for it...but I don't think that I would love the cat as much as my mother or father...
That's like choosing...would you rather let an animal die...and save thousands of lives...or would you not make the medicine...and let the thousands of people die... but you saved the life of an animal :D....
Imagine this... all of a sudden your nearest of relatives died... 1000 of them..... your mom...ur dad..ur brother...sister... aunti...uncle..cousin...friends...so on and so forth..... imagine the grief upon you... would you rather have all those people back or keep that cat in your arms....
a small loss for a large gain is in my opinion fine...
Think exactly the opposite way .. place urself in the shoes of the animal .. its not lik im crazy behind animals .. but i care about them .. n yea even my dog died 8 years ago .. i cried for a week .. u cannot compare the love for a pet and the love for a parent .. two different thing yet having a major similarity between them .. care affection ..
my opinion
u hav urs .. its jus that i cant afford to type out a whole essay .. ;)
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According to what i found out after doing this subject a s a research project there are living tissues can be grown in test tubes and new drugs can be tested on these. Computers can also be programmed to show how medicines will react in the human body.
so instead of terminating animals one by one doctors or scientists sholdcreate living tissues in test tubes........
and By the way from what i have found that it is mainly the western expensive cosmetic companies that use experiment s on animals and then comes scientists or doctors who try to find the cure of certian diseases
so if ladies reduce the use of cosmetics (which is a main factor) simultaneous to that men should also reduce the use of deodrants and other expensive creams.....
there is a 1% chance of stopiing the termination of animals for experiments......
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and the other sad part is that ......., animals are not always like humans
...... tey do not suffer from all human diseases, so scientists have to give them the illnesses artificially.
de.. joints in rabbit legs are inflamed with chemicals to help research in rheumatism (my mom helped me to find this out)
dhese tests do not always work because animals do not react to drugs in the same way as humans.
Aspirin, for example damages pregnant mice and dogs, but not pregnant women.
Arsenic, which is a deadly poison for humans, has no effect on sheep, while penicillin, which is so valuable to humans, kills guinea pigs
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