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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: astarmathsandphysics on June 23, 2009, 03:20:23 pm
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If anyone else were in my country I would have to throw the out. How can Arabs live with US and British and Israeli troops in their country?
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In England the foreigners arte richer than the English. I can undertand this since the most investive tend to explore overseas but some english say they are stealing our jobs
It is the same in every country
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i guess this is the problem in every country...
if u have 2 people- one an arab and the other is foreigner..both having the same qualifications..same degree..studied and graduated fom the same university and they both applied in the same place
the foreigner will definitely get accepted and paid higher than the arabs just cuz he's a foreigner..
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Well over here there is a big prob with foerign doctors. They are better qualified than English people but they find it harder to get a job, but then everyone thinks we invaded by foreigners.
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The future is not like japan. Extremely claustrophobic and afraid. I waznt to be able to go where I want when I want and become extremely pissed off when I have to get a visa.
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i think this problem will continue cuz there's nothing that it's preventing it!
We should look and hire people according to their qualifications,degree and look at nothing more than that!!
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How can you stop people hiring people accordin to their prejudice?
Like when rich men hire pretty secretaries instead of men that can spell.
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is it only in kuwait?
and personally i dont want foreigners in my country !!
but each and every foreigner in Kuwait has a reason to be there ... either cause of work, family or study ...
The US and UK troops are in kuwait to "protect" it from the enemy in exchange for oil (i guess) but what kuwait doesnt understand is that they have a trust worthy army to protect them !!
i guess we just feel safe with u guys based in our country :P
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Anyone who has met a british soldier would realise what an idiot they are. The average IQ of a British soldier is less than 70. God help us I hope the understand when they understand when they are told shoot over there. Only 20% of them can tel the time properly,
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lol i really hope ur kidding :P
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No is really true.
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i know 2 ppl in the uk navy no actually 3
its like i find them ok
i dunno bout the ones here in kuwait
but the ones i know are smart
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is it only in kuwait?
and personally i dont want foreigners in my country !!
but each and every foreigner in Kuwait has a reason to be there ... either cause of work, family or study ...
The US and UK troops are in kuwait to "protect" it from the enemy in exchange for oil (i guess) but what kuwait doesnt understand is that they have a trust worthy army to protect them !!
i guess we just feel safe with u guys based in our country :P
I think u feel safe cuz the US and Uk troops would only evade Kuwait like Iraq but if they r based in ur country then they won't so this way u feel safe
isn't it?
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having Americans in the UK doessnt make me feel safe. I get annoyed when I read how a US soldier accused of rape has been flown home without our knowledge. Does that happen ofver there?
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in saudi arabia, there are very few foreigners. the ones you see are cool, they respect (saudis). i guess im a foreigner there too... yeah... expats ( :p ) we have our communities... but the saudis? most of them understand they need foreigners for all their menial work, but completely have no humane sense for them (this is of course, not the case with everyone). there are other foreigners, but none of them in any really professional jobs.. i mean... managerial positions... by law, those go to saudis... bad or not, idk, im just 15 :P
but honestly, i dont like it when you get all those indian tourists in kashmir. my "country" (shut up if u dont think its seperate from india/pakistan, click the back button, and open up the kashmir debate). they dont respect the country... i mean... almost none of them even understand that we dont like them there. they are so DIRTY (no hard feelings, most indian tourists are... DIRTY and STINK).
ugh... i guess its not the case with all the countries in the world... saudi arabia and kashmir are the obvious exceptions and different from all other countries... saudi arabia got free development (oil) and became one of the hubbubs of the world, and kashmir is occupied and all, governed by people who dont think about true kashmiris...
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i dont feel well today...
my posts might be a bit.. hard to understand...
but try.. n try.. try again... yea.
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I am in an airport. It is hot. I am sweating and it is 18 hours before i get there by which time i too will be another smelly tourist along with my gf
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having Americans in the UK doessnt make me feel safe. I get annoyed when I read how a US soldier accused of rape has been flown home without our knowledge. Does that happen ofver there?
u mean in kuwait?
well the Americans here in kuwait are considered to be 'cool' by most kuwaitis, i said MOST not all.
it is quite irritating tho
its like they get all these fancy houses and all tht
thts my opinion tho
plz i didnt mean to offend anybody
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I rlly think kuwaitis findy anybody fussy 'cool', especially gurls.
And both kwti gurls and boys find ppl with money rrly 'cool'.
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I rlly think kuwaitis findy anybody fussy 'cool', especially gurls.
And both kwti gurls and boys find ppl with money rrly 'cool'.
will dont think that, cuz thats not true
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I rlly think kuwaitis findy anybody fussy 'cool', especially gurls.
And both kwti gurls and boys find ppl with money rrly 'cool'.
WHY do u think that??!!
i think we have brains .. and i personally fussy girls are considered uncool .. and money isnt everything .. why should we consider people with money cool? EVERYONE has money .. think before u speak !! >:(
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I do think andi ma saying this from experience...
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The Dude ..
since when was 'fussy' cool?
and since when money was considered cool?
if u talk based on experience u must have visited kuwait .. and u must have realised that ALL of us have money .. its a rich country and no one is considered poor .. so ur saying all kuwaitis think of each other as cool?
i know us kuwaitis have some problems .. but the ones u stated are not true AT ALL .. fussy was and will never be cool (its considered ill mannered to be fussy in kuwait :)) and money is everywhere thus im sure we dont consider it as a 'cool' thing ..
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I lived in kuwait for 4 bloody years, and not every one is rich. The country runs on wasta.
U cant get a damn driving liscence if u dont got wasta. There ppl dont know what hard work and commitment mean, they never had to experience any to get where they are now. This however does not apply to all of kuwaitis, however it does apply to most of them.
I have seen many miserable ppl in kuwait, their hard work shattered and their commitment unvalued.
Not only that the kuwaitis have no respect for the workers thathave built their very houses, the indians. pakis, bengalis, none or very minimal respect. The workers get 40KD a month, atleast that is what they are supposed to get, some are unpaid for months.
Instead of moral values, the learn the abuse of wealth, they forget purpose in life and indulge.
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I rlly think kuwaitis findy anybody fussy 'cool', especially gurls.
And both kwti gurls and boys find ppl with money rrly 'cool'.
The Dude ..
i quoted ur very first coment were u said KUWAITIS find this and that cool .. and now ur saying foreigners .. personally i dunno about the foreginer's sallaries or driver licenses .. i just commented about the first comment were u were basically attacking kuwaities ..
and about wasta .. who said u need one for a driving liscense?? if u can drive u can get a license .. u just need to pass the test .. my cuzins did it without wasta ..
Not only that the kuwaitis have no respect for the workers thathave built their very houses, the indians. pakis, bengalis, none or very minimal respect. The workers get 40KD a month, atleast that is what they are supposed to get, some are unpaid for months.
and again u attack kuwaitis and say that we have no respect for workers .. well I do .. my dad does .. and the rest of my family does .. how can u say we have no respect when most of the workers in kuwait are foregners .. actually ALL workers are .. are u saying that all kuwaitis are disrespectful? we're only a million people .. a small population .. so u dont need to answer me with 'only some people are' ..
and i really thik u should thank god that u lived in kuwait for 4 years .. where are u living now? i can bet that ur four years in kuwait were better ..
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I know this is very personal to you as it is your country. But understand this that in Q8, there are very few people who have good and moral oppinions like you.
Secondly, the treatment of others reflect upon a person's human nature. So, if u pay people peanuts, when you had surpluses every year until 2006, then that reflects on your greed and abuse of wealth.
Thank you kindly for sharing your thoughts.
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who said that we're paying foreigners 'peanuts' ??
some foreigners earn more than kuwaitis for ur info. the docs, engineers and teachers ...
cleaners get paid for what they do .. we wont give cleaners 1000 KD for cleaning streets .. why should we? and do other countries give them more ??
our surpluses are OUR surpluses .. why should we increase cleaner's wages when we can build a couple of hospitals?? or build new streets??
now the problem here is u accused me (as im kuwaiti by blood) of thinking fuss is cool and money is cool .. now u talk about our surpluses??
puft !! >:(
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*order order* :P
jury dismissed......
Q80BOY WINS DA CASE!!! :D
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The dude 321 ,
Read the rules please,U re not allowed to Hurt anyones sentiments
No more discussion
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The dude 321 ,
Read the rules please,U re not allowed to Hurt anyones sentiments
No more discussion
cummon,....he is not saying anyting..tht will hurt anyones......sentiments.......
and By the way........WATEVER DUDE 321..SAID......I FEEL THT IS SOO TRUE..IF U APPLY tht TO SAUDI ARABIA.....
atleast thts wat my friends say and some of which i hav personally observed.
since.....i dont noe abt kuwait...i wouldnt...say anything.......but i think its da same 4 most gulf countries.
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The dude 321 ,
Read the rules please,U re not allowed to Hurt anyones sentiments
No more discussion
cummon,....he is not saying anyting..tht will hurt anyones......sentiments.......
and By the way........WATEVER DUDE 321..SAID......I FEEL THT IS SOO TRUE..IF U APPLY tht TO SAUDI ARABIA.....
atleast thts wat my friends say and some of which i hav personally observed.
since.....i dont noe abt kuwait...i wouldnt...say anything.......but i think its da same 4 most gulf countries.
Look it might b true
but blamming a whole nation for it?
its like u're being prejudiced!
I agree ,I lhave lived in Arab countries too n still am
BUt again some Might b but not all
its not like u have tlak n spoke to all nations right
n again i agree that these people may relfect it in a broader way BUT y do u refuse to see the good things?
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true :) 100% true :) .... but without "wasta" ..... nothing happen in nocountry .... take india or pakistan... corruptiosn everywhere ))
but really keep the country talk away :)
@ mana ... dont take it so seriosuly ... no one is ...y are u ?
its been cool .... let the mood be cooll :)
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true :) 100% true :) .... but without "wasta" ..... nothing happen in nocountry .... take india or pakistan... corruptiosn everywhere ))
but really keep the country talk away :)
@ mana ... dont take it so seriosuly ... no one is ...y are u ?
its been cool .... let the mood be cooll :)
I am cool Master786,But i thought its getting SERIOUS
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not yet .... :)
if nyone does get seriosu on it :P .... we can safely say they are stupid :P
so lets see who is :P
its a good argument :P .... seems to be tht dude 321 has more of the relevant point :)
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The dude 321 ,
Read the rules please,U re not allowed to Hurt anyones sentiments
No more discussion
cummon,....he is not saying anyting..tht will hurt anyones......sentiments.......
and By the way........WATEVER DUDE 321..SAID......I FEEL THT IS SOO TRUE..IF U APPLY tht TO SAUDI ARABIA.....
atleast thts wat my friends say and some of which i hav personally observed.
since.....i dont noe abt kuwait...i wouldnt...say anything.......but i think its da same 4 most gulf countries.
Look it might b true
but blamming a whole nation for it?
its like u're being prejudiced!
I agree ,I lhave lived in Arab countries too n still am
BUt again some Might b but not all
its not like u have tlak n spoke to all nations right
n again i agree that these people may relfect it in a broader way BUT y do u refuse to see the good things?
remember da following 4 da rest of ur LIFE.........
mana.....when such a disscussion is going..on...and if someone blames da nation....THEY ALWAYS MEAN MOST of them.....
and since.....MOST is MAJORITY...
and majority....WINS.........so,....da whole nation is blamed 4 it.......
u must also be knowing 1 dirty fish POLLUTES the whole pond!
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not yet .... :)
if nyone does get seriosu on it :P .... we can safely say they are stupid :P
so lets see who is :P
its a good argument :P .... seems to be tht dude 321 has more of the relevant point :)
yes...he is having a valid point
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not yet .... :)
if nyone does get seriosu on it :P .... we can safely say they are stupid :P
so lets see who is :P
its a good argument :P .... seems to be tht dude 321 has more of the relevant point :)
I know it is good it mught be correct too But DUDe if someone speaks a bout UR nation then?
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take it in the right spirit...
here everyone has taken it tht way ...
u r the one taking it the rong way :P
chill yaar :D .....an argument going the right way :D ...so no problems
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take it in the right spirit...
here everyone has taken it tht way ...
u r the one taking it the rong way :P
chill yaar :D .....an argument going the right way :D ...so no problems
Fine>.<
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lol :P
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ManA .. its ok he didnt 'hurt my sentiments' cause i dunno what it means .. the only thing i had a problem with with The Dude was his FIRST comment .. were he claimed that all kuwaitis think fuss is cool and money is cool .. when i answered his 'claim' he started talking about wasta and surpluses and cleaner's money :P
then he said i lived in kuwait for four bloody years .. and then it got 'dirty' :P lol jk .. i dont care about what he thinks .. cause i (a kuwaiti) is'nt anything he's stating soooo .. i dont really care what he thinks ..
boom and master mention wasta in kuwait and the gulf .. well i think wasta is everywhere in the world (a different name i guess :P)
but what DUDE said was wasta for a driver's license .. for what?? if u can drive u get the license .. if u cant TOUGH .. then no license for u !!
and people who're complaing about wasta or low wages .. im gonna say this straight forward .. if u think its unfair dont live there .. DUDE lived 4 years in kuwait .. why if it was corrupted and they didnt treat him well?
god bless us :D :P
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Listen, I cannot tell you who I was or what I currently am, but rest assured that I had the greatest of respect from the (humane) kuwaitis.
Secondly, a cleaner gets 40 KD, thats ok, but if that poor man who has sacrificed his land and wealth to get where he is not is not paid for months, it is heinous, that is why kuwait is on the black list for human rights. If anyone wants to see what the kuwaitis have done to the labourers, please read the arab times, or the kuwait times, which reveal the truth about the kuwaitis.
Thirdly, KWTI girls and boys have very reason in life, they have nothing to do they are bored, and pretty much useles, this is fact that kuwaitis are the worst in math in the whole arab gulf. So they 'fuss', in short kuwait is a country locked in a perpetul state of 'much ado about nothing'.
And perhaps, Q8BOY, u are one of the ones that are humane, most people are not. If anyone of a powerful family does an accident, they the innocent victim is victimised, my frnd was one of them.
Moreover, ya this is what I mean by the unfairness in terms of salary:
A man who works in the ministy and is a foreigner will get 500 KD, even with full merited hard work.
A KWTI, whether he attends office or not he will get 2000 + HS + CAR, i understand that you may say that ' well we are kwti, we deserve more money, well let me tell you this, that kuwait was built not by kuwaitis, but by foreign labour and with foreign technology.
Most of my frnds got more than 3500 KD, becasue they worked in multinational companies, not becasue they worked for the kuwait government, and those offices only had one kuwati in it and that was the translator. LOL
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The Dude 321.......... weak arguement there abt the kuwaiti's getting more salary....
ever heard of benefits of being local of a particular country ... ? u cant say its rong for the govt helping out kuwaitis more ..
in some gulf countries electricity nd water is free too .... its just a rule ...u cant argue abt tht .... tough luck u r not from one of these gulf countries ...
@Q80boy.... booom nd me mentioned wasta for india nd pakistan also ....read the posts properly :P
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All the arabs should realise that if you didnt have oil the yanks and british would not be interested in the same way as noone is interested in botswana.
Did you hear the US politician who said, " They dont have the right to all that oil", neglecting the fact that it is in your country. As far as the US is concerned they have more right to your oil than you have.
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All the arabs should realise that if you didnt have oil the yanks and british would not be interested in the same way as noone is interested in botswana.
Did you hear the US politician who said, " They dont have the right to all that oil", neglecting the fact that it is in your country. As far as the US is concerned they have more right to your oil than you have.
and y is that?
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A man who works in the ministy and is a foreigner will get 500 KD, even with full merited hard work.
A KWTI, whether he attends office or not he will get 2000 + HS + CAR, i understand that you may say that ' well we are kwti, we deserve more money, well let me tell you this, that kuwait was built not by kuwaitis, but by foreign labour and with foreign technology.
wat happened to "I have seen many miserable ppl in kuwait, their hard work shattered and their commitment unvalued." if every kuwatii gets 2000 a house and a car. set ur story straight like Q8tiboy said some foreign get more salaries than Kuwaitis. depending on wat they r working u cant compare a doctor with a cleaner.
Thirdly, KWTI girls and boys have very reason in life, they have nothing to do they are bored, and pretty much useles, this is fact that kuwaitis are the worst in math in the whole arab gulf. So they 'fuss', in short kuwait is a country locked in a perpetul state of 'much ado about nothing'.
wat the hell r u talking about epically in math im not saying i am really smart but i got a B in math and all of my other KUWATII friends got A* in math and the 3 sciences, if u were with people who don't study or stupid there r people like them all around the world so dont just go ahead and say that we are all stupid cause just by doing that is stupid.
And as Muslims which like all Kuwaitis r we have a reason in life to pray and build our country if not actually doing anything huge but build the next generation so they can, anyone can be anishtain if they worked and tried hard.
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in saudi arabia, there are very few foreigners. the ones you see are cool, they respect (saudis). i guess im a foreigner there too... yeah... expats ( :p ) we have our communities... but the saudis? most of them understand they need foreigners for all their menial work, but completely have no humane sense for them (this is of course, not the case with everyone). there are other foreigners, but none of them in any really professional jobs.. i mean... managerial positions... by law, those go to saudis... bad or not, idk, im just 15 :P
but honestly, i dont like it when you get all those indian tourists in kashmir. my "country" (shut up if u dont think its seperate from india/pakistan, click the back button, and open up the kashmir debate). they dont respect the country... i mean... almost none of them even understand that we dont like them there. they are so DIRTY (no hard feelings, most indian tourists are... DIRTY and STINK).
ugh... i guess its not the case with all the countries in the world... saudi arabia and kashmir are the obvious exceptions and different from all other countries... saudi arabia got free development (oil) and became one of the hubbubs of the world, and kashmir is occupied and all, governed by people who dont think about true kashmiris...
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i dont feel well today...
my posts might be a bit.. hard to understand...
but try.. n try.. try again... yea.
india controls the central and southern portion of J&K.//.thats almost 66%...
and how can u even say that most of the indian tourists stink and are dirty...
thats an extremely lame and generalized statement
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in saudi arabia, there are very few foreigners. the ones you see are cool, they respect (saudis). i guess im a foreigner there too... yeah... expats ( :p ) we have our communities... but the saudis? most of them understand they need foreigners for all their menial work, but completely have no humane sense for them (this is of course, not the case with everyone). there are other foreigners, but none of them in any really professional jobs.. i mean... managerial positions... by law, those go to saudis... bad or not, idk, im just 15 :P
but honestly, i dont like it when you get all those indian tourists in kashmir. my "country" (shut up if u dont think its seperate from india/pakistan, click the back button, and open up the kashmir debate). they dont respect the country... i mean... almost none of them even understand that we dont like them there. they are so DIRTY (no hard feelings, most indian tourists are... DIRTY and STINK).
ugh... i guess its not the case with all the countries in the world... saudi arabia and kashmir are the obvious exceptions and different from all other countries... saudi arabia got free development (oil) and became one of the hubbubs of the world, and kashmir is occupied and all, governed by people who dont think about true kashmiris...
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i dont feel well today...
my posts might be a bit.. hard to understand...
but try.. n try.. try again... yea.
stfu!!!!!!....ur such a racist!!!!1....and u need to learn some geography....get used to the fact that ur indian..whether u like it or not
By the way i will come to kashmir to sell u some perfumes ok.... filthy racist...i have no doubts now...that's what u are.
and this is not even abt kashmir....stop talking abt it everywhere...my indian friend :P
P.S Ur the youngest racist i know of.....cheers to u :P
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ahhahahaha..that was awesome!!
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people r talkin bad bout their own country :o
lool
wow ...
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rfi.... really ... this is not the first place u r doing this ..
u hav a opinion keep it to urself ...
no way are u insulting ny country in tht manner .
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in saudi arabia, there are very few foreigners. the ones you see are cool, they respect (saudis). i guess im a foreigner there too... yeah... expats ( :p ) we have our communities... but the saudis? most of them understand they need foreigners for all their menial work, but completely have no humane sense for them (this is of course, not the case with everyone). there are other foreigners, but none of them in any really professional jobs.. i mean... managerial positions... by law, those go to saudis... bad or not, idk, im just 15 :P
but honestly, i dont like it when you get all those indian tourists in kashmir. my "country" (shut up if u dont think its seperate from india/pakistan, click the back button, and open up the kashmir debate). they dont respect the country... i mean... almost none of them even understand that we dont like them there. they are so DIRTY (no hard feelings, most indian tourists are... DIRTY and STINK).
ugh... i guess its not the case with all the countries in the world... saudi arabia and kashmir are the obvious exceptions and different from all other countries... saudi arabia got free development (oil) and became one of the hubbubs of the world, and kashmir is occupied and all, governed by people who dont think about true kashmiris...
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i dont feel well today...
my posts might be a bit.. hard to understand...
but try.. n try.. try again... yea.
ur posts are definately not hard to understand
as they are completely POINTLEsS!
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in saudi arabia, there are very few foreigners. the ones you see are cool, they respect (saudis). i guess im a foreigner there too... yeah... expats ( :p ) we have our communities... but the saudis? most of them understand they need foreigners for all their menial work, but completely have no humane sense for them (this is of course, not the case with everyone). there are other foreigners, but none of them in any really professional jobs.. i mean... managerial positions... by law, those go to saudis... bad or not, idk, im just 15 :P
but honestly, i dont like it when you get all those indian tourists in kashmir. my "country" (shut up if u dont think its seperate from india/pakistan, click the back button, and open up the kashmir debate). they dont respect the country... i mean... almost none of them even understand that we dont like them there. they are so DIRTY (no hard feelings, most indian tourists are... DIRTY and STINK).
ugh... i guess its not the case with all the countries in the world... saudi arabia and kashmir are the obvious exceptions and different from all other countries... saudi arabia got free development (oil) and became one of the hubbubs of the world, and kashmir is occupied and all, governed by people who dont think about true kashmiris...
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i dont feel well today...
my posts might be a bit.. hard to understand...
but try.. n try.. try again... yea.
ur posts are definately not hard to understand
as they are completely POINTLEsS!
AND RACIST
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4got to add that,,tks.,..lolz
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I never said that all kuwaitis are immoral, good and bad co-exist, what i am saying is the majority. You may have done well but what about the other thousands of kuwaitis.
The kuwait government rarely pays good rates to foreigners, even though they do more work, like i said kuwaitis did not pay for my frnds, multinational companies did.
And moreover, you said that kuwaitis get more, they have a right to, but you hav to realise is that kuwait was not built by kuwaitis, it was built by the foreigners, you were a bunch of fishermen in the middle of the desert.
And if you think that paying a worker nearly nothing, expoiting them then so be it. I have memories of workers being beaten and thrown into jail becasue they demanded their full pay. I have seen workers who worked 8 hours, get paid for only 4.
I dont rlly care who you pay more or less, it is the mistreatment that i resent and am frustrated by.
You could not even liberate yourselves.
Yo u cannot even break rows among yourselves, G. Bush senior had to come to kuwait to fix ur problems.
The Kuwaitis build under american plans, and supervision, and beg america for mercy, you may have big houses, cars.
I have kuwaiti frnds, i will admit to that, but the majority of kuwatis are like what i have commented, they do nothing in the office, they just drink gawa and thats rlly it. You tell them to do anything, yo give them any files, they lose it, they take ages to take care of it.
That is reflected in their children, a minority care about anything. I have seen kuwaitis, all they try to do is get a C in math, you may be better then them, your parents may have brought you up better beacasue of foreign experince, but very few ppl are actaully good.
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kuwaitis might hav been fishermen.... but its their land...
foriegners built it but the fact remains .... THIS IS KUWAIT ... nd kuwaitis will rule it ...
it wud be a problem if the kuwaitis werent getting ny benefits in their own country..
not when outside ppl arents getting ny benefits ...
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Its not a problem whether they get benefits or not, they are depriving the workers, by not giving them their salaries, thats all.
Secondly, is it rlly ur country when there are 90,000 Q80s and 140,000 foreigners. And, you guys took it from the bedoins, who were the real inhabitants of the area.
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thts happening everywhere ... y are u pinpointing at one country :P
chillllllllll out man :D
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So u simply justify a wrong thing cuz it happenz everywhere.... ???
And it does not happen everywhere.
Ya, its just that i love a good deabte and I rlly think that the good people in kwt are pushed down and the rich and powerful only get to decide, but kuwait is making progress, but so far it has only been able to make half a baby step.
I dont want anyone to take it personally, its just that i have actually witnessed these things, so it makes me very sad.
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unless uhav a solution to ur point ... theere is no point of this debate ....
thts my point ...its happening everywhere..dnt blame Kuwait only ..
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it depends on how much of the world you have seen.
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alot of it :)
this is a fact of lifei n this world .... u hav someway of changing it .. u r welcome to tell us tht :D
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the Dude ..
ya kuwaitis dont do anything in the offices .. they drink coffe and chat .. i admit that .. what wrong? is kuwait falling apart? is there a civil war going on? is'nt life going on as usual? are ALL people doing that?
foreigners were in kuwait and will be in kuwait forever cause we depend on them HUGELY !!
people pay foreigners for what the do .. our maid gets 60KD per month .. i didnt set this price but the maid agency did .. cleaners get 40 KD per month cause thats what they get .. doctors get over 1000 KD per month cause thats what they get ..
foreigners are not getting payed right? is kuwait to be blamed? does this happen in ALL of kuwait? doesnt it happen any where else?
dude .. i beleive in one thing .. if u think ur being mistreated in kuwait .. i believe u have a home country .. and im sure they will not mistreat u there right?
and master .. i agree with all ur comments ;)
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If people are paid more than they are worth for menial work then toomany will be cleaners and not enough will be doctors. If you want to help them give money to am educational charity.
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If people are paid more than they are worth for menial work then toomany will be cleaners and not enough will be doctors. If you want to help them give money to am educational charity.
exactly
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right ;)
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For the love of Muhammad, that is not what i said about the cleaners...
i said that they are mistreated, if they came to kwt for a contract of 1 KD, fine, but they are not paid, they never are, they company takes their passports, so they live in fear, they are powerless, they cant go back to their homes. Its not about paying them more or less, its about giving them what they were promised. If I said that you will be paid 10 KD every month and I dont pay you for 4 month, and I dont let you quit, I take all your rights, what will you do?
Secondly, kuwait would fall apart if it were not for money, kuwait does not have and never had a system, it is not a real economy it is defined as an artifical one.
This is what a kuwaiti newspaper, the article written by a kuwaiti had to say in 2007:
http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MjA5NzgzMjIxOA== (http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MjA5NzgzMjIxOA==)
SO those who actaully know the matters the would not have said anything about what i said, becasue it is true.
Honetly, have you kwti have no sense of mercy you are given soooo much to enjoy, cant u pay a cleaner wat u promised them....
And Astar, read the paper, u dont know what these people are, and it impossible to do so until you actually experience it....
Thats all i have to say
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if that is the problem why do they keep comming to kuwait ??!!
i mean there must be something in kuwait that is keeping them where they are .. and dont talk non-sense about passports .. i beleive they have legs that can take them to embassies and they can solve their problems there !!
i believe the 'cleaners' KNOW that they're gonna be payed 20KD per month .. and im sure thats MORE than they get from their own countries .. now im not saying its ALOT .. its my weekly allowance actually ::) but im sure its better than their home countries ..
and u say Kuwait doesnt have a economic system ??!!??!!
it doesnt?? are u serious??
then what are all the banks, stock exchange and businesses scattered all around the country? are they all 'aritficial' as u say? are they all playing?
and kuwaitis have a sense of mercy .. if they didnt we would have sat crossed legged and watched israel invade gaza .. IF WE DIDNT we wouldnt have sent medicine and food to the palestanians and waited for days to be allowed to enter Gaza !!!!!
that 'paper' if u call it a paper .. says kuwaitis encourage the cleaners to steal and beg .. why dont they have brains ??!! cleaners are brainless??!!
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20 KD a week :P thts good :P
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20 KD a week :P thts good :P
lmao .. ur clearly not intrested in the debate :P
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now the debate is jsut stretching for no reason :P
the fun remains for a while only :)
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now the debate is jsut stretching for no reason :P
the fun remains for a while only :)
i agree ;)
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One day the end of history will come, when war is history and no countyr has troops in any other country.
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i m not exactly sure thts happening :P
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you may not see it in may parts of the world but I'm sure it is happening on a global scale.
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name one place :)
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i believe in u astar .. i belive that YOU can make this happen !!! :D :P
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lol :p nyways he is good at solving PROBLEMS XD tricky once at tht XD
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Ok. It starts with you all. Anyone whose country has troops overseas, vote your government out and tell them to bring the troops home. And abolish the army, navy and airforce. Use the money to send roses to everbody in the post.
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novoting system in the gulf atleast ))
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People can vote with their feet. Anyway I dont think Gulof countries have trrops overseas.
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they hav overseas troops )) tho :P
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so astar ur saying that all british people should head to Buckingham Place .. and hold signs and stuff there? and Americans head to the White House and hold signs there ..
wow this could actually work ..
poeple could go on strike .. the countries would stop .. everything would go on halt .. nice thinking astar .. the problem is who would do it?
and master .. i dont think the gulf countries have soldiers abroad .. the gulf should throw the british and americans out .. oh then this will cause a war ..
astar are u sure this will work? we dont want world war 3 :P
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yea so isadi the guld has overseas troops in their country :o :P
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Phase one .. UK goes on strike
they all stay at home and drink tea !! ;)
Phase two .. US foes on strike
they all stay at home and eat burgers
Phase three .. Gulf countries throw britsh and us soldiers OUT
we ask them nicely .. and im sure they wont object .. theyd love to go back home
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haha u wish Xd :P
the americans are happier here probobly :P
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haha u wish Xd :P
the americans are happier here probobly :P
if they wont go out when asked niceley .. we'll declare WAR (only on the overseas troops cause we dont want trouble ::) :P)
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lol :p
they myt be enough to own us :p
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lol :p
they myt be enough to own us :p
naaaah ..
we're talking about ALL the gulf against them .. maybe even Iran cause they hate them (i wonder why ::))
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You cant cause a world war by throughing foreign trrops out of your own country. Also most people in the UK cant see the point in having trrops overseas anyway. They think it is part of the Blair and Bush ego trip.
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irans jsut jealous XD :p
naa they are too strong .... nd smarter :)
we myt just start dancing arnd ... they get sreiosu abt war :o :P
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name one place :)
Europe. Russian troops withdrew from all of Eastern Europe after the cold war. Iraq, shortly according to Obama.
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i will agree with the iraq bit because its recent..russian troops thign is old ...so not relevant enough ))
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I think it is relevant cos history takes place on a massive scale. Hundreds of years in fact.
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trends are changing :)...
super powers hav emerged ...
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The us will be a tiny power in 50 years. It will be India and China.
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so then they will send troops out .... its a cycle :)
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Maybe. The cycle will end after that. No country can be bigger.
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which means indian nd chinese troops will remain overseas ...
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I dont think so. China and India dont know at the moment what it is to be hated. They will find out and after some time they too will go home.
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we willsee if we both are alive then :P
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I dont think it will be that long. The more powerful you are, the more people hate you. China and India will be so very powerful. China too has the disadvantage of being a bitter country full of venom. They are determined not to be liked.
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yea the chinese just hav this negative vibe abt them ....
but well the point is how india handles thepower ... if they handle it welll .... theymyt end up being liked all over :) .. its apossibility
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Noone with power is ever liked. You are only liked if you have power and give it away. You can still pass comment on events then and have some positive influence.
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maybe thtshow india willl deal with it ....
we havto wait nd watch
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I do have a little bit of confidence in India. I think they will be like Britain, reserved and keeping great men in reserve. Great democracies keep great men in reserve.
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yea tht wat i msaying ... the indians can show the oldies ... how its done :P
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One day the end of history will come, when war is history and no countyr has troops in any other country.
well.....there is no end...
cuz history always repeats itself ;)
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can any1 gimme a summary ??
im lazy ::) :P
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sit and read ...its a pretty interesting debate :P
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like i said im lazzzzyy ;D
please ;D
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bleeh :P
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thtz not a summary ::)
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thts wat u get for being lazy :p
;) :P
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thtz it thtz it just for being lazy :o
i thought i would get more :P
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no u deserve tht much only :P
:)
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ur rude ::)
mm.. some1 shall gimme a summary when they come on
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lol :P
wait for tht lazy A** :P
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i have patience at least :P
and im NOOT tht lazy ::)
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then read tht ONE page :P if u r so concerned )) to be patient on it :o
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which one page ?? :S
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the page u want a summary for :o
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there is no summary
and this topic i 9 pages :|
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and the debate is on a few pages ...the new one atealst :D
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okay temme what page nd ill read it =D
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page 2 -7 :P
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:o
i cant read tht noww :(
summmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrryyyyyyy pleeeeeeeeassssssseeeeeeeeee :(
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wait for the right person then :)
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i will .. :)
as long as its not u :P
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its obv not me ... :P
thts y i told u to wait ??? :P
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i knw its not u :)
was waiting for u rxn
i am bored ;D
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bored at 2 am in the night ...
well well wat cud u do ?
maybe sleep and pass ur time :| :P
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sleep ahaha when will i get up then :P
and right now i have ppl annoying me ::)
wish i could jus shut their mouths foreverr
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zainy u want a summery :)?
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yes pleasee
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wait 4 next SUMMER then!!! :D ;D :P
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naah i dnt have tht mich time till next summer u knw
nd By the way i hate u ALOT
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tht is soo good to know!!! ;D
i hope master786 will be sad :P
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i HATE U BOTH u knw ::)
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hmmm.....ok....i noe :)
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thnk god u knw smth :P
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the debate now is shall we give zainy a summary? :P
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the debate now is shall we give zainy a summary? :P
ahahaha yeeeeeeeeessssssss
2 stupid ppl havre been obnoxious enough nt to gimme
so will u or r u the same ?? :P ::)
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well people, i am very shocked at the number of people who reject foreigners in here
The whole world acts as if racism and discrimination are bad things (funny how things are reversed in the middle east) , well if they are what makes accepting/rejecting foreigners different?
Yes foreginers will never "belong" to whatever country they go to, even if they gain the citizenship, but that is no reason to reject them (provided they accept the local culture)
I guess theres nothing wrong with locals getting more and better-paying job opportunities, but on what basis will the foreigners be rejected? Some lil book that says "Passport of the Whatnot Country"? This is just as bad as racism and discrimination, tell me one difference.
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lol so do u mean we should kick them outtt :P
its everywhere not just in q8.. the worlds become such a small place.. basically the reason why most foreigners r in q8 is becuz they get much better jobs then they would evar dream of getting in their own countries .. now that doesnt meaan they are favored over the kuwaitis our country has a some what awsome system .. becuz theres more foreigners in kuwait then the actual kuwaiti poplulation but kuwaitis r favourited in a way, and as for the armies lol i dont see them that much and i reallie dont know why their here but theyre sweet i guess, they smile and greet u so since theyre unharmful and kind i dont have a problem with them in our country , on the contrary their very welcomed to see how awsome we r lol
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The reason there are many indians and egyptains in Gulf countries, is that they actually are ready to work their A** as they know its important to work. No offense but many (not all) people in the Gulf, think that they diserve work when they dont even want to move their asses.
Also did u forget (weather its fair or not) that these people help in economy.
It might not be fair if both are same qualifications like astar said, but it would be impossible. Cmon, why would a boss choose a foreigner for more money and cause trouble and its harder to deal with??? Plus in Bahrain all forigners get less money than Bahraini people having same job, so plz dont say that ;)
Also, as long as people care about the country, even if he won't 'die' for it, but atleast not harm it, then i would definitely accept him in my country ;)
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I dont think it will be that long. The more powerful you are, the more people hate you. China and India will be so very powerful. China too has the disadvantage of being a bitter country full of venom. They are determined not to be liked.
lol! Arabic countries used to be powerful (far past) and noone hated them . The only reason a country is hated is for its actions. Have u ever seen an arabic country actually go and invade another country even when they were strong? Thats why they aren't hated. And thats why America and Isreal is hated. As long as India and China keep peace and not cause trouble, then they can be my guests and be most powerfull countries, why would i h8 them??
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You will hate them when they are powerful and come for your oil.
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You will hate them when they are powerful and come for your oil.
Maybe noone knows :P
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It is human nature to hate the powerful.
If people dont hate the powerful, the powerful people lose all reason and become like Mugsy Mugabe.
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It is human nature to hate the powerful.
If people dont hate the powerful, the powerful people lose all reason and become like Mugsy Mugabe.
heehe :) True ;)
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No offense or anything but as i am in fact a foreigner living in Kuwait i can tell you for a fact that without foreigners in Kuwait the country would not survive.
It is mainly the foreigners who actually do all the work and ofc this does not mean that all Kuwaitis are like this but the majority are more or less lazy and done really do a whole lot.
No offense ofc!
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Same over here. Without polish plumber we would all be living in s**t
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No offense or anything but as i am in fact a foreigner living in Kuwait i can tell you for a fact that without foreigners in Kuwait the country would not survive.
It is mainly the foreigners who actually do all the work and ofc this does not mean that all Kuwaitis are like this but the majority are more or less lazy and done really do a whole lot.
No offense ofc!
Thats what i said ;)
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Oops sorry i didnt read it!
But its SO true i mean I actually think the country would like stop completely...
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I agree with coatseville ;)
Kuwaitis (I'm one, so I'm not being offensive or anything :P) think they're too good to work in a supermarket, or as a baby sitter, or as a security guard. They prefer working in the government buildings where they get paid, and they don;t do much work, play with wasta, have a cup of tea, and go home.
That's the painful truth in Kuwait (I dunno about other gulf countries, but I'm sure about Kuwait).
And if the government allows this messing around to happen? Why would the Kuwaitis say no, we got the money, let them give it to the Kuwaitis instead of donating to all the other countries no?
But it is bad, and when the oil runs out in 30 or 40 years, they'll be like oh sh*t :P
Kuwaitis have been raised on the fact that everything you want you get, well most of them are, go to any of the malls, 99% have blackberries or iPhones, 99.9% of th girls hold designer handbags, 97% of the boys wear designer polo shirts and t-shirts. 65% own a beach house or a ranch, 85% travel in the summer, 70% go to Dubai or Bahrain in weekends and short public holidays.
They're spoiled, Oprah did not lie when she said this “In Kuwait, Egyptians build the houses, the Indians clean the streets, the Filipinos raise their children, the Indonesians cook the food and the Americans handle defense while they just act like Paris Hiltons.”
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I agree with coatseville ;)
Kuwaitis (I'm one, so I'm not being offensive or anything :P) think they're too good to work in a supermarket, or as a baby sitter, or as a security guard. They prefer working in the government buildings where they get paid, and they don;t do much work, play with wasta, have a cup of tea, and go home.
That's the painful truth in Kuwait (I dunno about other gulf countries, but I'm sure about Kuwait).
And if the government allows this messing around to happen? Why would the Kuwaitis say no, we got the money, let them give it to the Kuwaitis instead of donating to all the other countries no?
But it is bad, and when the oil runs out in 30 or 40 years, they'll be like oh sh*t :P
Kuwaitis have been raised on the fact that everything you want you get, well most of them are, go to any of the malls, 99% have blackberries or iPhones, 99.9% of th girls hold designer handbags, 97% of the boys wear designer polo shirts and t-shirts. 65% own a beach house or a ranch, 85% travel in the summer, 70% go to Dubai or Bahrain in weekends and short public holidays.
They're spoiled, Oprah did not lie when she said this “In Kuwait, Egyptians build the houses, the Indians clean the streets, the Filipinos raise their children, the Indonesians cook the food and the Americans handle defense while they just act like Paris Hiltons.”
You guys are rich. Thats very good. But the main problem is the dependency on oil I think.
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I agree with coatseville ;)
Kuwaitis (I'm one, so I'm not being offensive or anything :P) think they're too good to work in a supermarket, or as a baby sitter, or as a security guard. They prefer working in the government buildings where they get paid, and they don;t do much work, play with wasta, have a cup of tea, and go home.
That's the painful truth in Kuwait (I dunno about other gulf countries, but I'm sure about Kuwait).
And if the government allows this messing around to happen? Why would the Kuwaitis say no, we got the money, let them give it to the Kuwaitis instead of donating to all the other countries no?
But it is bad, and when the oil runs out in 30 or 40 years, they'll be like oh sh*t :P
Kuwaitis have been raised on the fact that everything you want you get, well most of them are, go to any of the malls, 99% have blackberries or iPhones, 99.9% of th girls hold designer handbags, 97% of the boys wear designer polo shirts and t-shirts. 65% own a beach house or a ranch, 85% travel in the summer, 70% go to Dubai or Bahrain in weekends and short public holidays.
They're spoiled, Oprah did not lie when she said this “In Kuwait, Egyptians build the houses, the Indians clean the streets, the Filipinos raise their children, the Indonesians cook the food and the Americans handle defense while they just act like Paris Hiltons.”
i wonder if oprah is still alive after she said that
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haha Kimo u must have been away or something :P newspapers, radio shows, tv, blogs .. everyone attacked her :P
but some say that she did not say that ..
.. in my opinion if she said it or not .. it's right!!
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i wonder if oprah is still alive after she said that
Oh my! :o
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Kuwait is trying very hard to get out of the dependency on oil.
They are using the money earned to make investments that will help them in the future.
In doing so, such as buying land, they have really made a huge stack of finance for the future.
A lot like the UAE, it is keen on investment.
However, the main problem remains, although this may sound good, Kuwait cannot hope to back up all the oil revenue with its investments.