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Title: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 02, 2013, 09:22:00 am
http://papers.xtremepapers.com/CIE/Cambridge%20IGCSE/Mathematics%20(0580)/0580_s03_qp_2.pdf

Question 12 please
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: NotAbod on November 03, 2013, 04:43:04 pm
(a)
angle ABC is 90 degrees.
90 + 2p + 3p = 180
p = (180-90)/5
p = 18

(b)
AEDC is a cyclic quadrilateral, therefore opposite angles = 180
Angle CAE + CDE = 180
q + 5q = 180
q = 180/6
q = 30
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 04, 2013, 10:50:30 am
(a)
angle ABC is 90 degrees.
90 + 2p + 3p = 180
p = (180-90)/5
p = 18


Thank you very much NotAbod, but how do you know the third angle for part "a" is 90 degrees, it doesn't say so in the question. And a square is not drawn in the diagram that will prove that it is equal to 90 degrees.
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: NotAbod on November 04, 2013, 06:03:01 pm
You must learn circle theorems.

ABC is a cyclic triangle. AOC is Diameter.
Let Angle ABC = x
then AOC is 2x.
AOC is diameter and its angle is 180

ABC x 2 = AOC
2x = 180
x = 180/2
x = 90

Take a look at this and learn them: http://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/circle-theorems.html
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 06, 2013, 02:00:52 am
Thank you so much,  ^-^ +rep mate
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 06, 2013, 02:22:06 am
Can you help me now with this question please.
I found the area but could not find the angle, so in the exam i wrote it 60 degrees even though i doubt it is. ;D :-*

Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 07, 2013, 07:21:18 am
Come on i have my paper 4 today and i am not getting an answer yet????
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: NotAbod on November 07, 2013, 02:54:05 pm
Have you tried SOH CAH TOA?
ie sin (x) = opposite/hypotenuse etc

Sorry for the late reply, really busy with my university.
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 08, 2013, 04:47:45 pm
the triangle is not 90 degrees, so the SOH CAH TOA wont work... the sin rule also wont work cause i only have 1 angle and that angle is unknown, the cosine rule also wont work cause we only have one side and the other 2 are unknown, the biggest problem is that the intersection of AC isnt equal in size
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on November 08, 2013, 06:14:40 pm
See attachment
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: NotAbod on November 08, 2013, 07:28:34 pm
the triangle is not 90 degrees, so the SOH CAH TOA wont work... the sin rule also wont work cause i only have 1 angle and that angle is unknown, the cosine rule also wont work cause we only have one side and the other 2 are unknown, the biggest problem is that the intersection of AC isnt equal in size

AXB is 90 Degrees and I assume you know XB and AC is given as 12cm
Use SOHCAHTOA to find angle ABX (which is 1/2 of ABC)
ABX x 2 = ABC
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 09, 2013, 06:31:14 am
how is angle ABX half od angle ABC????
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: NotAbod on November 09, 2013, 08:13:56 pm
It's a kite and that diagonal (DB) cut the smaller triangle (triangle ABC) into 2 equal halves therefore ABX x 2 = ABC
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 10, 2013, 06:36:23 am
oh, so u basically mean make an imaginery line ??
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: NotAbod on November 11, 2013, 05:32:47 pm
Yes and no.
Yes if it's not there.
No in this case because it's already there, line BD
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on November 11, 2013, 09:13:15 pm
Too easy a question to take so long.
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 12, 2013, 07:39:21 am
Yes and no.
Yes if it's not there.
No in this case because it's already there, line BD

But line BD isn't dividing the triangle into 2 equal parts  ??? so how??
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on November 12, 2013, 10:55:09 am
Yes it does, because it is a KITE.
The diagram is not drawn to scale
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 12, 2013, 03:16:00 pm
So in a kite the line BD always divides it into 2??
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: NotAbod on November 12, 2013, 06:03:26 pm
BD is the line of symmetry and the top half of the kite is the same as the bottom half of the kite.
If it's a kite, then yes, that line divides the upper and bottom halves into 2 equal parts.
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 13, 2013, 06:34:55 am
i should have known, in the exam i just wrote 60 degrees. guess i am wrong
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on November 14, 2013, 10:49:26 am
60 is a good guss. Better than not guessing at all.
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 17, 2013, 06:31:25 am
I only had 3 minutes so I well I guess 60 is a good guess to bad it was a wrong one
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on November 17, 2013, 08:53:14 pm
It was a good guess. When you guess aim for the middle.
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: Flamed-Ghoust on November 18, 2013, 09:54:42 am
hope I get a mark for guessing. my teacher said they would probably cut marks for me messing up the whole page with calculations and then crossing them
Title: Re: Can you answer this question please
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on November 18, 2013, 03:15:07 pm
You wont get a mark for guessing if you guess wrong.
You get one mark for a coreect answer and marks for any method