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Title: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 17, 2009, 03:29:16 pm
Let me give the background for those who don't know about it....
Long back in 1947 when Pakistan gained independance from Bharat(India)
Other neighbouring countries were offered to join either Bharat or Pakistan if they wanted to..
many countries willfully joined but kashmir was a different story...
The Maharaja of Kahmir was a pure Sikh(people who never cut their hair and wear a round topea on their heads)
but the majority were muslims. the maharaja decieved the muslims and went india
appealed to the indian government that he wanted to join with India but the muslims would'nt let him
so the Indian army went all the way to kashmir and started blood shed. In period of nine weeks
they killed around 500000 muslims. The British government came to know about this and ordered the
british vice roy in India to travell to kashmir and settle the matter but he denied his command.
When the Pakistani army came to know about it they went to with full troops but it was too late
They Pakistani Army was going to attack but the indian prime minister appealed to the UN and there was a ceasefire.
Next the UN promised to let the kashmiris vote but since then India has denied any solution to this matter.


So decide yourself who should have the Kashmir rightfully Pakistan VS India
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 03:43:47 pm
cant kashmir be an independent country?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 17, 2009, 03:47:56 pm
It doesn't want to be
Its people want to join Pakistan but India is holding the
disputed area of kashmir forcefully
I don't know the exact reason but may be
to become more powerful which they wont be independantly
they may have not enough resources to do that or
any other reasons
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 03:48:46 pm
Is there anything I can do over here?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 17, 2009, 03:51:12 pm
cant kashmir be an independent country?
I bet India won't let them do that too
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 03:52:09 pm
Is there anything I can do over here?

no, the grammer is ok, if i see any mistakes, ill give u a pm  :P

just kidding  ;)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 03:52:39 pm
E7m E7m...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 17, 2009, 03:56:10 pm
Is there anything I can do over here?

no, the grammer is ok, if i see any mistakes, ill give u a pm  :P

just kidding  ;)


Nice one there mate  :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 03:58:28 pm
It doesn't want to be
Its people want to join Pakistan but India is holding the
disputed area of kashmir forcefully
I don't know the exact reason but may be
to become more powerful which they wont be independantly
they may have not enough resources to do that or
any other reasons

ur saying that the people of kashmir want to be part of pakistan, but india are not allowing that right?

ok, Iraq did that to kuwait, they said look, kuwait is part of iraq, and do u know what happened, the gulf war !!

now im not saying let them start a war, maybe help from another country (ksa, jordan, qatar, kuwait, etc.) and not milatary help, help with talking the indian leader out of this childish behaviour

OR, the people of kashmir can all imigrate to pakistan, then india will give up (i dont think they want an empty land) oh after writing that i realised that they do want an empty land for all the indians

wow, thats a hard situation, why dont the muslim countries unite (oh, this cant happen, eg. palestine issue)

im really sorry for u and all the people of kashmir cause that is a really tough situation  :(

wtf is wrong with india !!  >:( why are they so stubborn ??!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 03:58:55 pm
E7m E7m...

sorrry  :-[
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 04:00:01 pm
Im coughing  :D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 04:00:41 pm
Im coughing  :D

7loo  :P
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 04:01:20 pm
Hahaha
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 17, 2009, 04:03:06 pm
I think indians r only jealous of Kashmir being independant or being united with
Pakistan   becuz
they already have sooo much Land themselves
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 04:05:04 pm
India is a large country, why do they need Kashmir?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 04:07:00 pm
India is a large country, why do they need Kashmir?

they are greedy !! shame on them  >:(
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 04:07:45 pm
Kashmir got beautiful girls and women.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 17, 2009, 04:10:22 pm
Kashmir got beautiful girls and women.

So why did the indians kill them in the first place
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 04:12:14 pm
I didnt ask them.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 04:12:54 pm
I think indians r only jealous of Kashmir being independant or being united with
Pakistan   becuz
they already have sooo much Land themselves

ok, cant the kashmirians (i dunno the name so i chose that one  ::)) pretend that they are part of india, atleast this will end the killing

what am i saying  >:( its as if im saying the kuwaities should have pretended to be part of iraq

well im sorry mate, but the only way is to stop any indians comming to kashmir (by using the military) so in other words declare war (a devencive war that is)

may god help the kashmirians, and all the people who are in need
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: AS girl on May 17, 2009, 04:13:11 pm
India is a large country, why do they need Kashmir?

You can understand that but others want more "greedy as Q80BOY said"
Sweetsh u bought something up...we experienced the same situation in 1990. Iraq is a large country,why do they need Kuwait??

Seriously ppl fight and kill other innocent ppl for stupid reasons!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: sweetsh on May 17, 2009, 04:14:01 pm
Stupid people, stupid reasons.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 04:18:36 pm
Iraq wanted kuwait cause of the oil, what special thing does kashmir have, is there like burried treasure under it or something that india want ??

and iraq was ruled by a dictator, is india ruled by a dictator too?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 17, 2009, 04:22:06 pm
NO
This concludes that their democracy is naturally equalent to dictatorship
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on May 17, 2009, 04:23:38 pm
NO
This concludes that their democracy is naturally equalent to dictatorship

so the indian leader is FORCING the indians to kill all the people in kashmir ??
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 17, 2009, 04:46:11 pm
May be May be not
May be they r doin it theirself
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 17, 2009, 04:49:34 pm
Actually they r not quite massacring them now
but they r denied their freedom
they not allowed to pray in mosques respectfully
no high rank goverment jobs 4 muslims
no polictical freedom
no freedom of speech
no respect
just like muslims in sub-continent(india & pakistan) before divison
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: unown.xu on May 17, 2009, 06:19:43 pm
HOLD IT EVERYONE HOLD IT HOLD IT!!!! KASHMIRI COMING THROUGH!

yeah, im from kashmir. wehoo... and mjerrar is, i can tell, from pakistan. mjerrar, do you know what the indians tell theor people? they say that the kashmiris want to be with india, and pakistan is raping them etc (this is untrue, the indians are doing that). what im trying to say is... kashmiris dont want to be with pakistan. they wanted to be with pakistan when the split first happened, but now dont want to be. why? becuase of how BS the pakistani government is. your president zardari told pakistan some time back that the people who fight for kashmir in kashmir are terrorists. wtf??!! seriously, pakistan has enough problems already, kashmiris dont want to join pakistan. we want to be independent... another thing. why do the indians want kashmir? BECAUSE IT IS A TOURIST PLACE AND IS SO GOD DAMN GOOD LOOKING. (not for the ladies, sweetsh, although that might play a role)
and so, they've occupied half of kashmir and we kashmiris kill a few soldiers everyday (lol, reely) and tens of us get killed too (there were these massive protests recently over the indians taking half of a mountain resort and giving it to some hindu organization for hindu stuff. this mountain resort is like the most famous in kashmir, and has the tallest gondola in the world, and the longest in asia... well, whatever. in the protests one of my mom's female cousin was shot in the leg, because the military likes to shoot BOOM BOOM BOOM, and my cousin's friend went BLIND when a bullet went into his eye... sad...). nobody likes the indians in kashmir, and we used to have the best mujahideen there until the indian military started planting informants... before the informants, which was 5 years after the beginning of the first war, not a single mujahid was killed. after that, loads were, n people lost the enthusiasm they once had...

kashmiri people are being massacred mjerrar. learn your facts. search for amarnath land controversy. and we do have high ranking government positions for god's sake, but the dude there is a proper A**-licker (sorry for like bad language) to the indians. politics? we have proper parties dude. google JKLF. respect? from who? everyone is the same, except you get these indian military dudes sometimes who act really bad. sometimes, the military dudes are nice, like the ones who think they're trying to save kashmir from pakistan.

whatever. ask me if you have any questions... good topic...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on May 17, 2009, 06:25:48 pm
guys I'm an Indian. Pakistanis were Indians before the split and Kashmiris r still Indians. W8s India's will remain India's. And guys don't call Indians stupid cus they're certainly not. We r not here to spark an Indo-Pak war on the forum. Sweetsh prevent this from going ahead. It's offending ppls sentiments. We all love r respective countries and all want peace.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 06:11:36 pm
i completely agree with nid404. I'm an indian myself and i don't like where this topic is going.
by the way mjerrar, who gave u the information that kashmiris r being treated badly and r given no respect?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 06:51:43 pm
I see it often on the TV.
nd why r u concerned about the source, why not the facts
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 06:54:24 pm
Kashmir quake - do Indians care?


By Jill McGivering
BBC News, Delhi

Two major aid agencies in India have told the BBC they have seen a significantly smaller initial response so far from the Indian public to the recent devastating earthquake in Kashmir.

Earthquake zone
The initial response to the recent earthquake has been small

They say the public response to the quake has been much smaller than to other recent disasters such as the tsunami last year and the Gujarat earthquake in 2001.

In the aftermath of the Asian tsunami and the Gujarat earthquake, there were widespread reports in India of an outpouring of public support.

It ranged from personal donations to volunteers heading for affected areas to give practical support.

Justify this..... :P
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 06:56:37 pm
n the news on this one too
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7555398.stm :P

in the video u can clearly see the flag of pakistan
among the many Kashmiris n hear them saying it

u can't deny it
its from the BBC  :P
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 07:00:49 pm
you've made a terrible mistake. The kashmir quake happened in Muzaffarabad, that is part of pakistan's Kashmir. and for ur information, during that earthquake, the border between the two countries was opened to allow food and relief to pass through.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 07:02:15 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kashmir_earthquake
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:07:44 pm
r kashmiris OK under Indias rule

http://b.mixx.com/dRFN?campid=0&ssns=41&
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 07:13:20 pm
the article does not say that kashmir wants to be an independant country or annex to pakistan. i agree many kashmiris are unhappy, but it is not because they are being mistreated, it is because they want to be freed from the extreme terrorist groups that are making their lives hell. the militants are the problem because they poison the minds of the young children against india.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:17:09 pm
the article does not say that kashmir wants to be an independant country or annex to pakistan. i agree many kashmiris are unhappy, but it is not because they are being mistreated, it is because they want to be freed from the extreme terrorist groups that are making their lives hell. the militants are the problem because they poison the minds of the young children against india.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7555398.stm

see this full video
U CAN clearly see many many people saying Pakistan
n holdingthe Pakistan's flag
wat does that tell u about kashmiri peoples will
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 07:18:22 pm
once again, i'm telling you, it is the job of the militants who r poisoning the minds of the people by spreading rumours.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 07:19:43 pm
ok you mentioned earlier that kashmiris are given no right of freedom, speech, press, etc. can you name one instance where this has happened?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:21:51 pm
once again, i'm telling you, it is the job of the militants who r poisoning the minds of the people by spreading rumours.

can u give any solid fact abt that from a trusted source???
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:25:30 pm
ok you mentioned earlier that kashmiris are given no right of freedom, speech, press, etc. can you name one instance where this has happened?

ya sure
i heard it on the TV that a lot of indian armed agencies were controlling the drastic situation in Kashmir b4 the elections
the kashmiri politians declared a march
so all the known famous kashmiri muslim politicians were kept captive at homes 4 two or three or...something like that , days
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:28:17 pm
"Authorities said at least 45 people were killed in the violence, including a senior separatist leader, Sheikh Abdul Aziz, who was killed by Indian security forces."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/indian.kashmir.vote/index.html
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:29:18 pm
"Nearly all leaders of Kashmir's separatist movement have been placed under house arrest over the past week to prevent them from rallying people to protest the elections."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/06/kashmir.elections/
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 07:33:05 pm
it's an anti-election protest, not an election campaign. these people were trying to prevent the elections from taking place
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:35:42 pm
it's an anti-election protest, not an election campaign. these people were trying to prevent the elections from taking place

NO NO NO
they were just trying to protest against the election not trying to prevent the elections forcefully
n u know protests should be allowed in so called Indian Democracy  :o
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 07:37:59 pm
haha! that does not make sense! protest against the election but not prevent it.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:40:53 pm
Not forcefully
only peaceful protest
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 07:43:58 pm
peaceful protest! ya right! throwing stones and stirring up a rebellion is peaceful.

Okay, yes we are a democracy but you must know that there is no country in the world that is going to see and applaud a protest that may put the whole country in jeopardy
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:48:01 pm
peaceful protest! ya right! throwing stones and stirring up a rebellion is peaceful.

Okay, yes we are a democracy but you must know that there is no country in the world that is going to see and applaud a protest that may put the whole country in jeopardy

ya right!
so the only solution u find is open fire on protesters kill their
leaders and eventually put them all under house arrest
gud solutions  >:(
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 07:50:47 pm
the indian troops only opened fired when the crowds got very violent and started to attack the troops. what do you want us to do? Sit down, show our face to them and get brutally beaten.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 07:51:59 pm
go ahead, -rep me even more. have u made 2 accounts or what to -rep me twice?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:56:02 pm
I WANT U perhaps all pakistanis and most of the Kashmiris want
u to give them wHat they want (freedom or joining with pakistan)
and end these 4ever on going terrible deaths once nd for all.

Give them there right so they don't have to snatch it from u!!!

Think, decide and carry out on the principal of equality  :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 07:57:56 pm
honestly i did it once
i have + reped u now sorry for this act  :-[
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 08:00:27 pm
hey honestly some weird stuff going on
when i -rep u the no. goes from 8 to 6
n when i +rep u the no. goes 6 to 8
what the hell? ???

gud 4 me lol
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 08:01:38 pm
it's ok. Everyone gets angry. something weird has been happening lately with the rep system.

Anyways, this debate will go on for ever. So how about we call it a close. No hard feelings! :D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 08:02:36 pm
hahaha
i can - or+ rep u from 6 to 8 or 8 to 6 any no. of time
lol no restrictions  :D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 08:03:40 pm
so there is something wrong with the rep system for sure.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 08:05:28 pm
k no prob
anyway who r we to decide
i was just doin my bit for Kashmir and Pakistan ofcourse

don't mind, was just a debate
GD luk
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on May 21, 2009, 08:06:50 pm
good luck with ur exams!! :D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 21, 2009, 08:08:52 pm
Thanks   :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Krissy on May 22, 2009, 03:54:43 pm
Oh my god...if only india and pakistan had politicians like you guys...in a few years when our generation takes over our countries im pretty sure we'll become better friends...and decieving and cheating and lying will end...hopefully..
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on May 22, 2009, 04:13:22 pm
THANX  :-*
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: singh993 on June 01, 2009, 06:43:37 pm
M.J im British-sikh and i have no real  bias as to who Kashmir should go to....but your story isnt correct for a number of reasons; i dont have the time to correct you.

posting here will just gain you support....and make you feel better about yourself.

give it up. kashmir ent going anywhere at the moment.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 01, 2009, 07:01:51 pm
M.J im British-sikh and i have no real  bias as to who Kashmir should go to....but your story isnt correct for a number of reasons; i dont have the time to correct you.

posting here will just gain you support....and make you feel better about yourself.

give it up. kashmir ent going anywhere at the moment.

Its not a campaign to free Kashmir   (Give it up - HAHAHA)
Its only a thread to create an awareness about Kashmir conflict
n if im wrong pls correct me...if u don't have time then  do it after ur IG's or whenever u like
(and pls post content from trusted sources only)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: singh993 on June 02, 2009, 03:32:31 pm
after my GCSE's , yes i will correct you :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Kim on June 02, 2009, 04:43:31 pm
i dont get it!why cant kashmir just be kashmir?
why does someone have to take it?
according to me meither deserve kashmir (i m a pakistani)
its a country let it stay dat way
wat would u say if sumone came and took over where you are stayin?if u had to give your life your house for some complete stranger
i dont think id like dat
and no rudeness intended its just my view
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on June 02, 2009, 05:27:10 pm
@kim: i like how you use your analytical skills a little, i think you understand my position  ;D ;D lol


(the below contains some explicit stuff, so dont read if ur against like explicit stuff)
oh and something really bad happened in kashmir yesterday... two woman were kidnapped by the indian military and raped. and beaten. and raped. and they died in the end... they were murdered... and then the low lifes dumped the two bodies on the street. things like this get my blood boiling... i dont want to start swearing now... but yeah... so if any indians think their military is a nice thingy, tell them to go **** etc etc. seriously. read books. stop spam.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on June 02, 2009, 05:58:22 pm
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.

and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...

do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...

do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: chaosking on June 02, 2009, 06:05:03 pm
Oh my god...if only india and pakistan had politicians like you guys...in a few years when our generation takes over our countries im pretty sure we'll become better friends...and decieving and cheating and lying will end...hopefully..

thats just the problem my friend. Our current politicians have mucked up this field so bad for us, that i dont think any educated child comtemplates that he wants to become a politician, that is why the future looks bleak, we need educated ppl to take our country forward, not some guy who graduated from a university that does not EXIST!!!( That wud be Zardari By the way i'm Pakistani)

And as for kashmir, i think that it shud be an independent state, i understand the fact how badly the indian army treats kashmiris but our government isn't doing much better
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 02, 2009, 09:38:10 pm
firstly, you guys have to know that kashmiris has full personal rights to vote what and where they want to settle or go according to Indian Constitutional Rights it is clearly stated every man or woman has the rite and freedom to choose what they want...............

secondly the whole pakistan and india together was called BHARAT / HINDUSTAN .........there was no INDIA and PAKISTAN.... it is the people who separated it .....

already BHARAT got split.....now if india loses kashmir india loses its head.............yes india is a large country but when all the states unite together we form a body...........

............. and a little advice for the person who started this i mean the person who first wrote on this thread..........U GOT UR FACTS WRONG MY DEAR FRIEND.........READ HISTORY..........
when the bristish people took over BHARAT they decided to split tat is the red line they kept between the border of pakistan and india........... and in 1947 was pakistan recognised as country moreover like a dominion in the Britsh commonwealth under the monarch as head of  the state..........and in 1956 pakistan was declared as republic...............pakistani general iskander was the first president..............his dirty martial law techiniques..........lead to the first downfall of pakistan.......then the other honourable presidents came later after overthrowing........oooh i forgot because of his dirty martial law he was over thrown he was asssassinated.......later benizir bhutto tried her best to help the country but she was also thrown down later she was assassinnated on 27 december 2007 (i think so).............. so my dear friend if you wanna debate or argue on a particular point u have to be firstly study the entire background of pakistan and what lead to the division..............
what i want to say is that pakistan is not a bad or terrorrist country...........president asif ali zardari itself said.....that pakistan is responsible for the attack on mumbai....... the country needs a proper rules and regulations and a properr hard ruler......... to govern the country.......

i'm not writing this to mock this country or insult anyone ........... but i also wanna help to change pakistan.....since i also got many friends and their families who have gone back due to the recession and other problems...............

people i'm not only a student but also was a scout in my school where i studied previously there was pakistanis and russians and americans and many........... we realised one main thing THAT IF WE FIGHT THE WORLD LAUGHS AT US BUT IF WE STAY UNITED WE CAN CHANGE ATLEAST ONE PERSONS LIFE CAN BE CHANGED AND THE WORLD WILL ENVY US........heheh

u mite feel it is easy for me to say this but lemme remind u once u condemn someone or some country in one way or the other u'll realise the mistakes you have made later.........

and lastly what difference does it make if kashmir lies with india????? what u wanna split india also...........
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 02, 2009, 09:47:25 pm
Oh my god...if only india and pakistan had politicians like you guys...in a few years when our generation takes over our countries im pretty sure we'll become better friends...and decieving and cheating and lying will end...hopefully..

thats just the problem my friend. Our current politicians have mucked up this field so bad for us, that i dont think any educated child comtemplates that he wants to become a politician, that is why the future looks bleak, we need educated ppl to take our country forward, not some guy who graduated from a university that does not EXIST!!!( That wud be Zardari By the way i'm Pakistani)

And as for kashmir, i think that it shud be an independent state, i understand the fact how badly the indian army treats kashmiris but our government isn't doing much better


LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR WID U .........as an INDIAN let me be frank wid u ......... in the past we made some grave mistakes.........very bad we accept it.........but we don't cry or groan over the mistakes we made ..........we try to change from our mistakes...........yes kashmiris were treated badly..........but now they have got freedom to speak ..........they are problems are being recognised and are now being helped..........

and one question to u my friend?????? ARE YOU READY TO BE A LEADER FOR YOUR COUNTRY???? be frank over here everyone can say big things but when it comes to reality where do we stand..........as youngsters let us not condemn the nation but let us voice out against the bad things of the government.......... 
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 02, 2009, 10:21:21 pm
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.

and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...

do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...

do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)

........pall you are really good to make stories i srsly doubt are there any facts in it...........you are just making up something and trying to criticise over nothing...........
..........be factual.............as an indian lemme say tat we made some very bad crucial mistakes in the past.............let me quote one for you .......(FACTUAL NOT MADE UP) the incident which happend in srilanka.............those who have STUDIED HISTORY should know that RAJIV GANDHI the LATE PM of india.......was assassinsated due to his one small misstake of sendin soldiers to protect sri lanka.........but th esoldiers took advn.........of his decision.......... india had to pay a heavy loss for it.............

we have made mistakes now we change.........AND BY THE WAY WHO ARE YOU TO CONDEMN INDIA .............and make blank attrocious LAME stories ..........
u just know how to bluff..............u don't know how to HELP...........
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 03, 2009, 07:28:23 am
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.

and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...

do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...

do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)

u know what the way u r simply insulting me over here, means u are simply anti - indian.
can i know where u r from exactly?
ur mentioning so much about kashmir and how it must be split up. May i ask u about the Punjabi sikhs living in pakistan? They are being taxed heavily by the Taliban (known as the Jaziya), and nothing is being done about it. they r being mistreated as well.

i totally agree with u india is at fault. everything is the fault of india. nothing like this ever happenned in pakistan. (note the *SARCASM*)

i want to make it clear that I AM NOT AGAINST PAKISTAN. The only difference i see between us is Religion, but that should not bar us from being good allies and one of the better citizens of the world. Both countries have made mistakes in the past, and like "indian" said we must learn from our mistakes.

Rfi, ur manner of speaking is simply vile. Learn to argue without making stupid comments about the person.

By the way, u tell me i listen to media. Who do u what do u want me to listen to - YOU?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 03, 2009, 08:13:36 am
This is small note for the kashmiris
some Muslims in Kashmir really don't think they're indians.....i don't really know why. They think muslims in India are not respected and not given good ranks in government jobs, which is all nonsense

Do u guys even know that one of the most respected men in India is Mr.Abdul Kalam(our ex-president)?? The president has the highest rank in the army. A muslim has governed India. and still ull want more proof. If for any reason muslims are not given jobs it's because they're not qualified and there's nothing to do with their faith. And literacy rate of muslims is low because muslims don't send their kids to school(especially girls) and the average no. of children in muslim families is high.

KASHMIR IS A PART OF INDIA.LOVE UR COUNTRY. JAI HIND


Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: chaosking on June 03, 2009, 09:27:35 am
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.

and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...

do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...

do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)

u know what the way u r simply insulting me over here, means u are simply anti - indian.
can i know where u r from exactly?
ur mentioning so much about kashmir and how it must be split up. May i ask u about the Punjabi sikhs living in pakistan? They are being taxed heavily by the Taliban (known as the Jaziya), and nothing is being done about it. they r being mistreated as well.

i totally agree with u india is at fault. everything is the fault of india. nothing like this ever happenned in pakistan. (note the *SARCASM*)

i want to make it clear that I AM NOT AGAINST PAKISTAN. The only difference i see between us is Religion, but that should not bar us from being good allies and one of the better citizens of the world. Both countries have made mistakes in the past, and like "indian" said we must learn from our mistakes.

Rfi, ur manner of speaking is simply vile. Learn to argue without making stupid comments about the person.

By the way, u tell me i listen to media. Who do u what do u want me to listen to - YOU?

Guys, may i know where u r sitting and writing this from, rfi is kashmiri!!!, he knows first hand what happens there, u just see the news and say that everything ur country does is right..., get a life guys, GET A LIFE!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Kim on June 03, 2009, 09:43:39 am
watever every1 says i still think kasmir should be allowed to be a free country
and arent u guyz takin it a little too personally and if i m not wrong if u guyz dont calm down a bit their will be a little fight between indians and pakistanis and kashmiris
so lets calm down 8)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 03, 2009, 09:45:39 am
This is small note for the kashmiris
some Muslims in Kashmir really don't think they're indians.....i don't really know why. They think muslims in India are not respected and not given good ranks in government jobs, which is all nonsense

Do u guys even know that one of the most respected men in India is Mr.Abdul Kalam(our ex-president)?? The president has the highest rank in the army. A muslim has governed India. and still ull want more proof. If for any reason muslims are not given jobs it's because they're not qualified and there's nothing to do with their faith. And literacy rate of muslims is low because muslims don't send their kids to school(especially girls) and the average no. of children in muslim families is high.

KASHMIR IS A PART OF INDIA.LOVE UR COUNTRY. JAI HIND


That adbul Kalam sh*t is the most _____ guy.  I have read many articles about him.. he does wateva his fellows hindus do
go temples worship withem put the red thing on his forehead and n whatelse

the fact that muslims r very less in gov. is true
only 5 people r muslims in india's whole parliment
isn't that a fact
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 03, 2009, 09:49:56 am
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.

and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...

do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...

do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)

I fell very sorry abt u
but the pakis r themselves fedup of this unparh jahil gavar dako - Asif Ali Zardari- sh*t may be upon him
there r 16 crore people in pakistan who full hearted support the Kashmir and its people
U Musharraf sparked the Kargil war just 4 Kashmiris but I don't know what went wrong
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Kim on June 03, 2009, 09:52:19 am
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.

and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...

do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...

do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)

I fell very sorry abt u
but the pakis r themselves fedup of this unparh jahil gavar dako - Asif Ali Zardari- sh*t may be upon him
there r 16 crore people in pakistan who full hearted support the Kashmir and its people
U Musharraf sparked the Kargil war just 4 Kashmiris but I don't know what went wrong

i dont get it if ppl hate zardari so much why did they vote for him?wat were ppl thinking?they made the worlds most corrupt person the president of pakistan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and now they complain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 03, 2009, 09:56:28 am
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.

and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...

do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...

do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)

u know what the way u r simply insulting me over here, means u are simply anti - indian.
can i know where u r from exactly?
ur mentioning so much about kashmir and how it must be split up. May i ask u about the Punjabi sikhs living in pakistan? They are being taxed heavily by the Taliban (known as the Jaziya), and nothing is being done about it. they r being mistreated as well.

i totally agree with u india is at fault. everything is the fault of india. nothing like this ever happenned in pakistan. (note the *SARCASM*)

i want to make it clear that I AM NOT AGAINST PAKISTAN. The only difference i see between us is Religion, but that should not bar us from being good allies and one of the better citizens of the world. Both countries have made mistakes in the past, and like "indian" said we must learn from our mistakes.

Rfi, ur manner of speaking is simply vile. Learn to argue without making stupid comments about the person.

By the way, u tell me i listen to media. Who do u what do u want me to listen to - YOU?

Guys, may i know where u r sitting and writing this from, rfi is kashmiri!!!, he knows first hand what happens there, u just see the news and say that everything ur country does is right..., get a life guys, GET A LIFE!!!

INDIAN MEDIA hahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahaaahhahah
Its so dam full of crap

INDIA Tv
When a large accelerator was built in France or somewhere
they started to say -oh  world is going to end and pack ur bags and stuff like this- I heard it with my own ears
and saw it with my own eyes
then they made up a new girlfriend of OsamaBinLaden - COLA-
what the heck     i think they r paid heavily to show this crap and rule ppl's minds
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 03, 2009, 10:20:45 am
This is small note for the kashmiris
some Muslims in Kashmir really don't think they're indians.....i don't really know why. They think muslims in India are not respected and not given good ranks in government jobs, which is all nonsense

Do u guys even know that one of the most respected men in India is Mr.Abdul Kalam(our ex-president)?? The president has the highest rank in the army. A muslim has governed India. and still ull want more proof. If for any reason muslims are not given jobs it's because they're not qualified and there's nothing to do with their faith. And literacy rate of muslims is low because muslims don't send their kids to school(especially girls) and the average no. of children in muslim families is high.

KASHMIR IS A PART OF INDIA.LOVE UR COUNTRY. JAI HIND


That adbul Kalam sh*t is the most _____ guy.  I have read many articles about him.. he does wateva his fellows hindus do
go temples worship withem put the red thing on his forehead and n whatelse

the fact that muslims r very less in gov. is true
only 5 people r muslims in india's whole parliment
isn't that a fact


go check the literacy rate of muslims in India and then ask why there are only five of them in the parliament(and they've gone up now) And im warning u dare say anything abt Kalam cuz he's the most efficient leader our country has ever had. And so w8 if he goes to the temple?? W8 did u want him to do give special treats to muslims.....y?? Zoroastrians and Jews don't ask for stuff and give the excuse of being a minority....only muslims ask(although they r more in number as compared to parsis and jews)
By the way Im not a muslim but have a muslim friend and i eanjoy his biryani at the end of their fast. Does that make me impure....by eating their food. Those guys who talk like" he does wateva his fellows hindus do go temples worship withem put the red thing on his forehead and n whatelse" are orthodox and can never mix with any1 else. And moreover hindus allow people of all religions to come and pray in temples but I have been only to Haji Ali, no other mosque allows non-muslims.

AND I"D PREVIOUSLY TOLD SWEETSH TO DELETE THIS POST.......UNWANTED DISCRIMINATION
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 03, 2009, 10:33:13 am
Just let me finish my IG's
I am gonna blaze this topic up
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: chaosking on June 03, 2009, 11:26:50 am
yaar Mj mood thanda rakho, u guys have difference of opinions so respect them, larne ki kya zarurat hai, tum log jitna laro, the fact is that kashmir is still not a free nation, and that is what we ppl shud be looking to solve and not just fight over it.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on June 03, 2009, 11:33:55 am
let me make something clear. im kashmiri. but im not a patriot. or a nationalist. or anything related to identifying with a country. because that is WRONG. why? dont make me start...

and whoever said im making up stories... seriously... do you want someone to throw a shoe at you? did i insult ur bharat or whatever u call it? no. all im trying to do is open YOUR eyes to see that ur military is ___ and *** stuff. yea. and if u call me a liar, seriously OPEN YOUR ***ing EYES. maybe ill quote some censored news... did u know india didnt let ANY journalists into kashmir last summer? NONE. how did BBC get all that news? FROM THE GOVERNMENT. AFTER THEY CENSORED IT. they said one hundred thousand people came to the biggest protest. that figure is full of ****. the indian media said before that that five hundred thousand came to tht protest (note tht bbc's source was these guys). tht figure was full of sh** too. one million people came to the protest. the biggest one. does that figure sound like a lie? its because ur a brainwashed kid you know. you have no idea wha a warzone is. do you want to know who my cousin is? his name is aiqib irshad. go search for "aiqib" on facebook, hes still the only one, i think... add him. not all of u, dont pester him, lol, and ask him what happened to one of his friend's eyes during the protests last summer. and then maybe he'll give u tht guy's facebook id. and u can add him. ask him. i dont live in kashmir, but i go there for the summer, for 3 months every year. last year summer, we were forced to stay inside the house ("curfew" whole day) for two months on end. my neighbor was going to get married. on the day of his marriage, which was naturally cancelled, his MOTHER DIED. DO YOU KNOW WHY? because of this "curfew" which lasts the whole day. she couldn't get her insulin injections. and so she died. just like that.

oh maybe ill give u some links nid. if you can support what ur government and military does, explain this. (oh n for u guys in saudi arabia, check yestetday's arab news, it had something about what i said in kashmir, which was of course downplayed and made to look like an accident. it said that people had tensions businesses were closed, etc. people did that on purpose. like they care...) heres some links:
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/everybody-is-playing-politics-over-shrine-dispute-in-kashmir_10087921.html
(thats an indian site, read it, learn something REAL, not the **** in history books)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/world/asia/09kashmir.html?_r=1
(new york times, now say thats lying too)
http://news.in.msn.com/specials/battle_over_amarnath_land.aspx
(now read that, thats the whole story)
maybe read this as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kashmir_unrest

im good at using google. ask me if there's anything else u want to read about. except remember that all they say is exaggerated-exaggerated so that it looks like nothing is wrong, when in fact, a lot is wrong.

now mr.nid. i have no problems with any indians. make that clear. NO PROBLEM WITH INDIANS. but i dont like ur country, and the people who run it, and i dont like those indian soldiers who are in kashmir.
if you think what they do is fine, then i dont like you either. i dont want to talk to you. if you like what they do. but if you deny them doing this, we can continue talking about it, and it will be obvious you have no clue what ur talking about.
i have no problems with any hindus either. that was to godfather and nid. whoever was a hindu. seriosuly. im not racist or discriminatory, until i know who you are and what you represent, and if i dislike that, i have all the right in the world to hate you.

and godfather. what are u saying? muslims have a low literacy rate? do u understand what the muslim world has done for civilization? or do you listen to the media?
thats ur problem. u dont have any sources of information other than those adulterated ones coming from the people who like war. eg, the media. u want a source of information? google. blogs. wikipedia, to an extent. other people who know what they r talking about. like me. yes. like me. if you think im a liar, good for you, go live in ur box. this cant be a debate with people like u who say that a KASHMIRI would lie. and then u say that we want to be indian. WTF. seriously. kashmir was never part of india+pakistan, go learn ur history. india+pakistan+bangladesh was bharat, kashmir was never part of that.

kashmiris are different. u wouldnt understand. we dont speak urdu or hindi, call it different names, its the same thing (yeah yeah two or three words im impressed <-sarcasm). im kashmiri. i speak kashmiri. which is a bit like persian. because kashmiris were originally irani... then some indian kind of people came and settled in kashmir, and we get the kashmiris you have now. but those people were called bhattas. lol... u woudl have to be kashmiri to understand....

whatever. at least u can apologize. but i wont. especially how u called me a liar... imagine u were from a small country, and this happened to you, what would u do? tell people the truth, and expect them to believe you. but if u call me a liar, honestly, go live in ur box, i dont want to talk with you...

<sweetsh, thanks for unlocking this topic again... i dont like how ppl who r ignorant get to stay ignorant without a reason>

and like i said, i hate nationalism. so dont talk as a nationalist here, please. talk as a human being, and if ur a muslim, talk as a muslim.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 03, 2009, 11:52:03 am
let me make something clear. im kashmiri. but im not a patriot. or a nationalist. or anything related to identifying with a country. because that is WRONG. why? dont make me start...

and whoever said im making up stories... seriously... do you want someone to throw a shoe at you? did i insult ur bharat or whatever u call it? no. all im trying to do is open YOUR eyes to see that ur military is ___ and *** stuff. yea. and if u call me a liar, seriously OPEN YOUR ***ing EYES. maybe ill quote some censored news... did u know india didnt let ANY journalists into kashmir last summer? NONE. how did BBC get all that news? FROM THE GOVERNMENT. AFTER THEY CENSORED IT. they said one hundred thousand people came to the biggest protest. that figure is full of ****. the indian media said before that that five hundred thousand came to tht protest (note tht bbc's source was these guys). tht figure was full of sh** too. one million people came to the protest. the biggest one. does that figure sound like a lie? its because ur a brainwashed kid you know. you have no idea wha a warzone is. do you want to know who my cousin is? his name is aiqib irshad. go search for "aiqib" on facebook, hes still the only one, i think... add him. not all of u, dont pester him, lol, and ask him what happened to one of his friend's eyes during the protests last summer. and then maybe he'll give u tht guy's facebook id. and u can add him. ask him. i dont live in kashmir, but i go there for the summer, for 3 months every year. last year summer, we were forced to stay inside the house ("curfew" whole day) for two months on end. my neighbor was going to get married. on the day of his marriage, which was naturally cancelled, his MOTHER DIED. DO YOU KNOW WHY? because of this "curfew" which lasts the whole day. she couldn't get her insulin injections. and so she died. just like that.

oh maybe ill give u some links nid. if you can support what ur government and military does, explain this. (oh n for u guys in saudi arabia, check yestetday's arab news, it had something about what i said in kashmir, which was of course downplayed and made to look like an accident. it said that people had tensions businesses were closed, etc. people did that on purpose. like they care...) heres some links:
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/everybody-is-playing-politics-over-shrine-dispute-in-kashmir_10087921.html
(thats an indian site, read it, learn something REAL, not the **** in history books)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/world/asia/09kashmir.html?_r=1
(new york times, now say thats lying too)
http://news.in.msn.com/specials/battle_over_amarnath_land.aspx
(now read that, thats the whole story)
maybe read this as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kashmir_unrest

im good at using google. ask me if there's anything else u want to read about. except remember that all they say is exaggerated-exaggerated so that it looks like nothing is wrong, when in fact, a lot is wrong.

now mr.nid. i have no problems with any indians. make that clear. NO PROBLEM WITH INDIANS. but i dont like ur country, and the people who run it, and i dont like those indian soldiers who are in kashmir.
if you think what they do is fine, then i dont like you either. i dont want to talk to you. if you like what they do. but if you deny them doing this, we can continue talking about it, and it will be obvious you have no clue what ur talking about.
i have no problems with any hindus either. that was to godfather and nid. whoever was a hindu. seriosuly. im not racist or discriminatory, until i know who you are and what you represent, and if i dislike that, i have all the right in the world to hate you.

and godfather. what are u saying? muslims have a low literacy rate? do u understand what the muslim world has done for civilization? or do you listen to the media?
thats ur problem. u dont have any sources of information other than those adulterated ones coming from the people who like war. eg, the media. u want a source of information? google. blogs. wikipedia, to an extent. other people who know what they r talking about. like me. yes. like me. if you think im a liar, good for you, go live in ur box. this cant be a debate with people like u who say that a KASHMIRI would lie. and then u say that we want to be indian. WTF. seriously. kashmir was never part of india+pakistan, go learn ur history. india+pakistan+bangladesh was bharat, kashmir was never part of that.

kashmiris are different. u wouldnt understand. we dont speak urdu or hindi, call it different names, its the same thing (yeah yeah two or three words im impressed <-sarcasm). im kashmiri. i speak kashmiri. which is a bit like persian. because kashmiris were originally irani... then some indian kind of people came and settled in kashmir, and we get the kashmiris you have now. but those people were called bhattas. lol... u woudl have to be kashmiri to understand....

whatever. at least u can apologize. but i wont. especially how u called me a liar... imagine u were from a small country, and this happened to you, what would u do? tell people the truth, and expect them to believe you. but if u call me a liar, honestly, go live in ur box, i dont want to talk with you...

<sweetsh, thanks for unlocking this topic again... i dont like how ppl who r ignorant get to stay ignorant without a reason>

and like i said, i hate nationalism. so dont talk as a nationalist here, please. talk as a human being, and if ur a muslim, talk as a muslim.

MUSLIMS...MUSLIMS AND MUSLIMS IS ALL U SEE. There r others here dude. Talk real with reason and yardstick not as an orthodox muslim. U r not the only one living in Kashmir....there r hindu kashmiris too....so plz.....By the way w8s happened to the no.of hindus in Kashmir...ever thought abt that...no y would u...u care only abt ur community.....every1else is invisible here. U need to learn history first cuz Kashmir was always a part of India and i have hindu kashmiri friends... Do u know how many people converted to Islam during the mughal reign in India. Learn abt that and then talk.

Military and crap i do not know....and u talk as if those soldiers are not Kashmiris.... and who creates all that curfew...ppl of Kashmir..so think..think. People from Delhi or the cabinet don't send ppl there to start fights...

and By the way im miss.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Kim on June 03, 2009, 12:00:13 pm

U all seriously need to CALM DOWN!!!!!!!otherwise this can get alot out of hand! >:so really ppl settle down we r not politicians what one says the other might not agree so really take this topic as a healthy debate and dont chew each others brain over it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 03, 2009, 12:02:52 pm

U all seriously need to CALM DOWN!!!!!!!otherwise this can get alot out of hand! >:so really ppl settle down we r not politicians what one says the other might not agree so really take this topic as a healthy debate and dont chew each others brain over it!!!!!!!!!!!!

ur right in a way and ive requested sweetsh to have a look at the cold war happening.....and asked her to take appropriate action
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Kim on June 03, 2009, 12:04:58 pm

U all seriously need to CALM DOWN!!!!!!!otherwise this can get alot out of hand! >:so really ppl settle down we r not politicians what one says the other might not agree so really take this topic as a healthy debate and dont chew each others brain over it!!!!!!!!!!!!

ur right in a way and ive requested sweetsh to have a look at the cold war happening.....and asked her to take appropriate action
and u did the right thing cause these were gettin lets just say literally violent
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 03, 2009, 12:34:36 pm
Hey guyz locking these topic won't get u anywhere
don't just jump on each other
claim somthing and provide a trusted link beside it
so this way we can get to a conclusion..... :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on June 03, 2009, 01:57:10 pm
do you know what islam means, *miss* nid? i hope you do. if you dont, go find out who started human rights in the first place, and everything you think is all good and western. no, not that much, but yes, quite a bit.
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MUSLIMS...MUSLIMS AND MUSLIMS IS ALL U SEE. There r others here dude. Talk real with reason and yardstick not as an orthodox muslim. U r not the only one living in Kashmir....there r hindu kashmiris too....so plz.....By the way w8s happened to the no.of hindus in Kashmir...ever thought abt that...no y would u...u care only abt ur community.....every1else is invisible here. U need to learn history first cuz Kashmir was always a part of India and i have hindu kashmiri friends... Do u know how many people converted to Islam during the mughal reign in India. Learn abt that and then talk.

Military and crap i do not know....and u talk as if those soldiers are not Kashmiris.... and who creates all that curfew...ppl of Kashmir..so think..think. People from Delhi or the cabinet don't send ppl there to start fights...
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let me tell you something. im a muslim. and im proud. if you dont understand, its because you havent seen a lot of true muslims in real life. dont tell me this extremist orthodox BS, im a muslim. no, im not a *sunni* or *shi'ite* im a muslim, because i try my best to follow the quran and sunnah. go figure.
now listen. listen to this racism story which u dont know about yet.

what happened to the number of kashmiri hindus? hahahhahahaaaa.... ur extreeeemly ignorant. i dont know why else you would raise that question. u know what happened to them? during one of the first occupations of kashmir, when there were loaddss of indian soldiers in kashmir, (right now, u can see one in every gully, and a camp at every traffic guy place, because we dont have traffic lights) they were about to launch a huge assault. that meant keep a soldier at the entrance of every house, and make sure no1 got out, or anything, regular stuff. and you know what these soldiers did? they told all the bhattas (kashmiri hindus) to come with them in their convoys, and took them to jammu. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. kashmir isnt a small place (wait a sec here, i think most people dont know what i mean when i say kashmir-i mean OCCUPIED kashmir, not the *pakistani kashmir*) and yet the soldiers managed to get every single hindu out of the place, and into jammu. why? so that they werent hurt during the assault. these hindus... were quite nationalistic... and as a matter of fact, there were never tensions or anything between the hindus and muslims in kashmir, we were always friends and stuff. friends. im not racist. one of the hadiths about nationalism says... that a person who is patriotic is worse than a worm in the ground, or words to that effect...

ok. right. hope u understood that. and PLEAEEEASAAASSSEEE go learn some history. even from the censored stuff they feed u in skool. they're not going to tell u kashmir was never considered part of india, they're going to tell u india imposed a maharaja on kashmiris long before the british came. which is a lie. pre-british, very few know the history of kashmir. seriosusly, if you try to understand, you'll know why i won that debate last year about kashmir being independent at a vote of 11:0:1(1 was for pakistan). yea, and the other teams were convinced too, along with the two indians in my class. that would be hamza owais and momo. forget the names, its just for the record... and yea. go learn some history. seriously. maybe u could learn from my grandfather, i could tell him to come online and chat with u about this... he'll tell u what he saw. then maybe ull believe me (im dreaming)

hahahahhahaaaa... ur reely funny. kashmiri military. go dream. there is a kashmiri police, but they're like the weak people who were forced to have a job there. think uv spotted a loophole in my story? think again. these guys are the reason the people who strove to relieve kashmir of oppression could reely strive. they help them all the time, just that ur military doesnt know. and please. when i talk about military, i mean indian hindus who've enrolled in the CRPF. yeah. some of them are nice though, and are like you, they believe they're helping kashmir. those are the ones who r new. one of them gave my little sister a water bottle once, when she had puked outside the car, and i said thank you, and he said he was sorry for all that the other soldiers did, and that there were some nice ones. and i believe him. just because ur in an organization, doesnt mean everyone in it is the same. i hate generalizations.

haha... again... who creates the curfew.its the military u idiot. to stop kashmiris from coming out. and protesting. peacefully. why? because they want to pretend everything is fine... and yea... you know how i can prove that? this summer, i had barbed wire around the gate of my house in kashmir (its not mine, its like family house.. lol i know u got tht, js making sure) and there were crpf dudes right outside my house. and its in like a gully which goes round a bend, etc. basicly they had about two soldiers with full on guns and all (they always have guns-most have AK47's and a desert eagle, but then there's the occasional guy with an MP5 and an MP40) at every single household gate. imagine that. thats a curfew. and we're not allowed to go outside.

yeah. now will u apologize? about calling me a liar.

the debate about who's kashmir should be is completely fine with me, but i dont like when people start accusing people who are living out the whole thing. seriously. dont call me a liar. and did u add my cousin? on facebook? or did u go to any of the pages i gave u? rebuttals? feedback?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 03, 2009, 03:22:21 pm
mind ur language...i don't think quoran teaches u to talk like this........

ive learnt the history i had to sooo plzz ......

probably we have different stories in our history books and u want agree mine's right the way i won't agree urs is.

and u will never listen. no apologies
have a look at http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/sundry/genocide.html and http://www.india-defence.com/reports/771 and http://ikashmir.net/religion/index.html and u say indians infiltrated Kashmir.

i don't want this to go on simply so let this just be.some muslim kashmiris too love India....so u alone can't decide the fate of the state as a lone muslim.

I think this should be the end......it's just a debate.....i hope we have good leaders in the future to sort this matter.

JAI HIND

my last post on a topic that is bringing abt hatred in some.......heyy not me...never..im peaceful and abhor injustice completely. I hope this topic is done with soon


Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on June 03, 2009, 03:52:16 pm
no, im talking like this because of how the thingy said to let loose (on the main forum)

and reely. ur avoiding everything i say, and whenever i rebuttal (to ur lies  :P) u never say anything about that.

and let me say something else.

look at this figure from wikipedia...
(uhm i was looking for it, and apparently its been removed, because it was too biased against how indian it was. rofl, the figure was 91% independent, 6% pakistan, 0.2% or something indian, rest undecided, check it here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kashmir_conflict)
and this census was carried out by some indians, not biased against more supporting independence, rather biased so that the true number who support independence is probably larger.

yes, there are always minorities. some who do it just for the fame. for ur info, without even reading the site called kashmiri pandit, lemme tell u that this guy lives in jammu, is a hindu, and pretends he knows about kashmir, while really, he's just lying so that his other indian friends can say look at what this kashmiri says.
oh i just finished reading the article. what a joke. you think this guy is even coming close to the truth? this is pure BS. seriously. there were never ever ever ever mujahids (thats a name for freedom fighters) who did this, and no1 else has been called an extremist in kashmir other than them. and you know how i know? my grandfather's brother is the guy who founded most of the stuff you see goin on in kashmir today. the freedom fighters. who r nonexistant now... but still. JKLF. he chose all of the dudes there... whatever. i have a very famous family. lol... dont make me go on...

and if some1 had reely done things like this, i wouldnt support them in the least. just making that clear.

and never call me a lone muslim. please. ask the hundreds of real kashmiris in the world, and see how they feel. go on.the ones living in kashmir right now...

and now i just read the second link. and i see where the first link comes in. pure propaganda. lies. spread by the media. when will u believe me, and go to some real person's blog or whatever? other than me, because im vile (whatever u said).

ok i just read the third link. what was that about? please...

and about the history books? like i said, they r ****. yes. and where do i learn things from? people who have experienced this, people who are part of this... you dont know who ur talking to... lol....

----------end/rant-------

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 03, 2009, 07:54:19 pm
mind ur language...i don't think quoran teaches u to talk like this........

ive learnt the history i had to sooo plzz ......

probably we have different stories in our history books and u want agree mine's right the way i won't agree urs is.

and u will never listen. no apologies
have a look at http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/sundry/genocide.html and http://www.india-defence.com/reports/771 and http://ikashmir.net/religion/index.html and u say indians infiltrated Kashmir.

i don't want this to go on simply so let this just be.some muslim kashmiris too love India....so u alone can't decide the fate of the state as a lone muslim.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3330031.stm

clearly stated here that India rejected the call 4 referendum

I think this should be the end......it's just a debate.....i hope we have good leaders in the future to sort this matter.

JAI HIND

my last post on a topic that is bringing abt hatred in some.......heyy not me...never..im peaceful and abhor injustice completely. I hope this topic is done with soon


hey nid my advice:
leave all these stories on the sites
they may be biased on one side so......give some links of trusted ones like Cnn BBc etc
n if u say some muslims r with india which is true infact (some ppl attracted by other things in the world- the materialistic ones)
so here it is

after the last war between India and Pakistan
India went to the UN and intiated a cease fire.....OK.....Gud
but wait what about Kashmir....
ya the UN decided that there will be a referendum in Kashmir to give them what they want
but since then India has never conducted one
so who's drama is this all????

It is a true fact n the eyes of the world.  U can't deny it........ :o
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 03, 2009, 08:19:52 pm
This is small note for the kashmiris
some Muslims in Kashmir really don't think they're indians.....i don't really know why. They think muslims in India are not respected and not given good ranks in government jobs, which is all nonsense

Do u guys even know that one of the most respected men in India is Mr.Abdul Kalam(our ex-president)?? The president has the highest rank in the army. A muslim has governed India. and still ull want more proof. If for any reason muslims are not given jobs it's because they're not qualified and there's nothing to do with their faith. And literacy rate of muslims is low because muslims don't send their kids to school(especially girls) and the average no. of children in muslim families is high.

KASHMIR IS A PART OF INDIA.LOVE UR COUNTRY. JAI HIND


That adbul Kalam sh*t is the most _____ guy.  I have read many articles about him.. he does wateva his fellows hindus do
go temples worship withem put the red thing on his forehead and n whatelse

the fact that muslims r very less in gov. is true
only 5 people r muslims in india's whole parliment
isn't that a fact


mind ur language MJ..........i don't care the who the hell ur ..........

but njo religion talks to insult others...........

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on June 03, 2009, 08:24:54 pm
hey indian. please. this is a debate forum. if ur insulted, the one who's insulted you is a flamer, and flamers arent thot greatly of. but when u have no argument, and u say "stop arguing" and "stop insulting" i seriously think you need to either slam your head in a wall or tell everyone you slammed your head in a wall.

we r debating. so all the insults will keep flowing, especially when u insult me, i insult u :p

ok, whatever. lemme tell u i have no problems with any person on the face of this earth, but i still dont like some big organizations.

i need to sleep now.

stop being a noob. if u cant argue anymore, at least say, you win :p dont go on about grammatical mistakes and whining about how some1 insulted u. lolz... seriously...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: sweetsh on June 03, 2009, 08:25:39 pm
Please read the Debates Rules before you post anything in the Debates section
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: past-papers on June 03, 2009, 08:28:02 pm
Enough of this. We are here to debate sensibly. Insults are not required.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 04, 2009, 11:45:46 am
This is small note for the kashmiris
some Muslims in Kashmir really don't think they're indians.....i don't really know why. They think muslims in India are not respected and not given good ranks in government jobs, which is all nonsense

Do u guys even know that one of the most respected men in India is Mr.Abdul Kalam(our ex-president)?? The president has the highest rank in the army. A muslim has governed India. and still ull want more proof. If for any reason muslims are not given jobs it's because they're not qualified and there's nothing to do with their faith. And literacy rate of muslims is low because muslims don't send their kids to school(especially girls) and the average no. of children in muslim families is high.

KASHMIR IS A PART OF INDIA.LOVE UR COUNTRY. JAI HIND


That adbul Kalam sh*t is the most _____ guy.  I have read many articles about him.. he does wateva his fellows hindus do
go temples worship withem put the red thing on his forehead and n whatelse

the fact that muslims r very less in gov. is true
only 5 people r muslims in india's whole parliment
isn't that a fact


sry to whoeber locked this post but couldn't resist. last post from me here
i don't know where u get these absurd facts from but i thought i'd make some things clear
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_Parliament_of_India

and before u say anything against this may i ask
HOW MANY SIKHS OR HINDU MINORITIES OR PATHANS DO U HAVE IN UR PARLIAMENT?
http://sindhihindus.wordpress.com/
u talking about atrocities in india, what bout in  Pakistan?

TOPIC CLOSED
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 05, 2009, 09:07:32 pm
im with you Godfather..........

absurd, and crazy facts, some of u have :S
Title: Who's is Kashmir rightfully-unlocked
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 08, 2009, 10:18:03 am
I have made another topic cuz the "godfather93" and "angell" r making unfair advantage of their moderating authoriy. They unlock the topic, reply and lock it up again........
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully-unlocked
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 08, 2009, 10:19:23 am
Quote
and before u say anything against this may i ask
HOW MANY SIKHS OR HINDU MINORITIES OR PATHANS DO U HAVE IN UR PARLIAMENT?
http://sindhihindus.wordpress.com/
u talking about atrocities in india, what bout in  Pakistan?

I just don't trust this absurt blog!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on June 08, 2009, 12:59:19 pm
hey guys,

the debate rules state the no topic should be locked,

i unolocked it, u can continue ur debate,

thanks  :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully-unlocked
Post by: Q80BOY on June 08, 2009, 01:01:05 pm
hey,

the original topic was un-locked,

continue ur debate over there,

thanks  :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 09, 2009, 02:25:39 pm
hey guys,

the debate rules state the no topic should be locked,

i unolocked it, u can continue ur debate,

thanks  :)

then pls control the fury of the participants of the debate...there is a certain code of conduct one needs to follow while debating...insulting others is not a part of a debate.
just look at the tone...forget the tone..the words used..i mean some ppl need to learn to be in limits
By the way who makes these debate rules..
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 09, 2009, 05:00:41 pm
firstly i appologize if i have been rude........
i just felt offended when others started offending my country and its people........
and i consider each and everyone equal no matter if he is a pakistani or indian or african.............
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 09, 2009, 06:33:12 pm
firstly i appologize if i have been rude........
i just felt offended when others started offending my country and its people........
and i consider each and everyone equal no matter if he is a pakistani or indian or african.............

African...........lol. Africa is not a country.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 10, 2009, 09:28:48 pm
i said african not africa............i meant person from africa...........loll..!!! u get my point i believe godfather93!!!!............nd i know tat africa is a continent not a country.......
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 12:43:08 pm
i know that u know that africa is a continent but when u say african after saying indian, pakistani...., doesn't sound right!
 :D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully-unlocked
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 12:44:17 pm
MJ, for ur information it wasn't me who locked the topic. So do not blame me for something i didn't do.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully-unlocked
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 12:46:12 pm
Quote
and before u say anything against this may i ask
HOW MANY SIKHS OR HINDU MINORITIES OR PATHANS DO U HAVE IN UR PARLIAMENT?
http://sindhihindus.wordpress.com/
u talking about atrocities in india, what bout in  Pakistan?

I just don't trust this absurt blog!
xactly! u don't trust anything i put up so how can i trust anything u put up?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully-unlocked
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 05:15:28 pm
Quote
and before u say anything against this may i ask
HOW MANY SIKHS OR HINDU MINORITIES OR PATHANS DO U HAVE IN UR PARLIAMENT?
http://sindhihindus.wordpress.com/
u talking about atrocities in india, what bout in  Pakistan?

I just don't trust this absurt blog!
xactly! u don't trust anything i put up so how can i trust anything u put up?

exactly if u think our source is not reliable, how r we to believe urs is
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 05:59:19 pm
good to have u back!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 06:04:43 pm
good to have u back!!

we r the soldiers of our country....

jai jawaan...lol :D

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 06:09:01 pm
im really in the mood of debating!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: GodOfWar on June 11, 2009, 06:13:05 pm
erm... PAKISTAN !!
it was always pakistan's, india tried to occupy it. Now its just an area of conflict  :(
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 06:15:26 pm
I didnt lock this topic!!

N ok, a simple thing to say: Kashmir was ours, and should always be ours!

My best friends from Kashmir, I ask her, tell me, are you Indian or Pakistani?

She says, IM A KASHMIRI.

Kashmir should be made a separat country. If its not possible, then...(conversation continued)

OK, s'pose u had to choose? then?

''Indian, all the way!"

True, this is just one person, but also the only Kashmiri i've ever studied with..
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 06:18:09 pm
erm... PAKISTAN !!
it was always pakistan's, india tried to occupy it. Now its just an area of conflict  :(

Do u know once upon a time Pakistan was a part of India
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 06:22:14 pm
Kashmir is difficult cos ethnic cleansing has partially taken place. I dont know what the ethnic balance is at the moment but I think it is still majority muslim, therefore the people will probably vote for union for pakistan. This is probably the best. It will be VERY messy though, and I think this will never happen.

If I were Kashmiri I would not stay there. The most power you can have is the power of opinion. Make your money elsewhere and remember your cause.

I am always on the side of the rebels
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 06:24:32 pm
what i don't understand is why Pakistan is after indian controlled Kashmir? Pakistan has it's own pakistani controlled Kashmir. Moreover, the borders were agreed on in 1947, y this problem now???
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 06:25:46 pm
Exactly - originally, Sri Lanka, Pakistan - all were a part of India!

We are not willing to part with out personal belongings, this is a whole country we're talking about people! a WHOLE country dividing into parts? And now u say Kashmir too? Why? Do you want to increase your country's geographical area? Become stronger?

:S
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 06:26:28 pm
In 1947 the people wanted union with Pakistan but the people were overwhelmingly muslim. there was a war and India got most of kashmir. There have been I think 2 wars since and now there is stalemate.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 06:28:32 pm
Times and things have changed now! The few people I know want India!

Personally, I feel it is KASHMIR which should decide.

Ethically, however, we Indians have a right!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 06:29:06 pm
Kashmir is difficult cos ethnic cleansing has partially taken place. I dont know what the ethnic balance is at the moment but I think it is still majority muslim, therefore the people will probably vote for union for pakistan. This is probably the best. It will be VERY messy though, and I think this will never happen.

If I were Kashmiri I would not stay there. The most power you can have is the power of opinion. Make your money elsewhere and remember your cause.

I am always on the side of the rebels

Did u know that the victims of ethnic cleansing in Kashmir were Hindus? Ok, it is a muslim majority state, but that does not automatically mean that it should be a part of Pakistan. India has the third largest population of Muslims in the world.  
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 06:29:23 pm
Exactly - originally, Sri Lanka, Pakistan - all were a part of India!

We are not willing to part with out personal belongings, this is a whole country we're talking about people! a WHOLE country dividing into parts? And now u say Kashmir too? Why? Do you want to increase your country's geographical area? Become stronger?

:S

It is not any more a questin of strength. We are all individuasls. I am a citizen of the world.

I am lucky to have a british passport but frankly my country is planet earth and if I were ruled from mARS i WOULD HAVE TO FIGHT THE MARTIANS.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 06:29:47 pm
Exactly - originally, Sri Lanka, Pakistan - all were a part of India!

We are not willing to part with out personal belongings, this is a whole country we're talking about people! a WHOLE country dividing into parts? And now u say Kashmir too? Why? Do you want to increase your country's geographical area? Become stronger?

:S

Actually Sri Lanka was never a part of India
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 06:30:45 pm
Ok, then maybe it was Bangladesh?

Sorry, I got confused :S But i remmebr it being one of the two!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 06:32:28 pm
There are victims of every sort but it is very dificult for the local police and government to be impartial.

Obe day India will save us all from china but a solution must be found to this that is just to all and agreed because it is just and not because one side is stronger.

Everyone can agree with the injustice in palestine. In kashmir there is injustice too.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ghostt on June 11, 2009, 06:34:09 pm
HEYY guyzz i m frm kashmir and like me almost every pakistani wats kashmir to become a part of pakiatan!!!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ghostt on June 11, 2009, 06:36:27 pm
every kashmirii not pakistanii!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 06:37:46 pm
Last time I checked there was no clear majority in favour of anything in kashmir. Everyone must tread carefully.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 06:38:35 pm
Yes, there is more injustice than justice in this world!

It is however, not entirely possible to make a decision without considering strength!

A stronger and more deserving ally has always been India! India is also economically balanced!! It has the required sources, finance, and stability to handle an extra country!

Pakistan has troubling managing itself, and the future doesnt look too bright either :S

And ghostt - like I said, Kashmir itself is divided and cannot decide? What about those of you who do not want to hold a pakistani nationality?

And to be frank, i do not think any one in mental stability should consider joining Pakistan, for all the reasons cited above and more...

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 06:41:48 pm
Ok, then maybe it was Bangladesh?

Sorry, I got confused :S But i remmebr it being one of the two!

Banglasdesh was originally part of pakistan, ruled from pakistan like a provine. In 1971/72 I think there was a civil war in which Bangladesh became independent. India intervened and this increased the bitterness.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 11, 2009, 06:42:28 pm
mistakes have happened in the past!!! now let us not condemn those mistakes let us try to over come those mistakes........which happened in the past......

this is our time let us try to improve upon it!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 11, 2009, 06:44:22 pm
astarmathsandphysics could please brief me about the conflict about india and bangladesh as u stated about!!!! please........
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 06:45:16 pm
@Astar
 Bangladesh used to be east pakistan before. The bangladeshi people wanted independence, hence, they asked India to intervene. We intervened, and resulted in Bangladesh winning.

@angell - yes, bangladesh used to be part of india.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 06:47:25 pm
This post is not about kashmir, which is a source of friction. I think the gretest threat to the world will come from china  which has a sense of historical injustice, and like every powerful country, feels the world must recognise it's power. The west might be slow to react in the way Britain was in the late nineteenth century to the rise of germany and might sleepwar into a war with china.

In the end Inidia will be more powerful than China because it has greater powers of ideas and thought.

Frankly one day India could save us.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 06:47:41 pm
Ok, then maybe it was Bangladesh?

Sorry, I got confused :S But i remmebr it being one of the two!

Banglasdesh was originally part of pakistan, ruled from pakistan like a provine. In 1971/72 I think there was a civil war in which Bangladesh became independent. India intervened and this increased the bitterness.

Bangladesh and Pakistan were one and the same after the treaty in 1947 which resulted in formation of Pakistan. Problems happened(very silly one)..East Pakistan was formed(Bangladesh)

Now the problem was of the national language. Urdu was chosen as the national language but  most ppl in bangladesh(present) speak bangla and wanted bangla to be the national language. So they split after a lot of hustle and bustle
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: XaM!! on June 11, 2009, 06:49:53 pm
kashmir king ws a Hindu... n da people ver muslims... da state ws gvn choice who 2 join Pak or India..... da maharaj dat was HARI SINGH wantd 2 join India but da ppl wantd 2 join Pakistan.... so da ppl rebelliond.... india tuk it by force... Same ws happend to Junagarh n Calcutta...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 06:50:51 pm
This post is not about kashmir, which is a source of friction. I think the gretest threat to the world will come from china  which has a sense of historical injustice, and like every powerful country, feels the world must recognise it's power. The west might be slow to react in the way Britain was in the late nineteenth century to the rise of germany and might sleepwar into a war with china.

In the end Inidia will be more powerful than China because it has greater powers of ideas and thought.

Frankly one day India could save us.

CHINA IS DANGEROUS...SO FORMIDABLE

From poisoning baby foods it exports to adding lead in plastic toys..it has tried everything to weaken other economies
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 06:52:05 pm
In the end, in kashmir the two sides must grind each other down to the bare brain and realise that they have no other other alternative to cycles of death than find out what the people of kashmir want. If the people of kashmir dont know immediately  then the process of finding out may take 100 years.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 06:53:59 pm
there was more than that. The Pakistani president at that time, treated the bangla people unfairly. Hence, Bangladeshis were incontent with Pakistani rule. Also, an operation was carried out by the pakistani army to eliminate political opponents, Hindus and intellectuals. This move turned public opinion completely against Pakistan.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 06:55:27 pm
This post is not about kashmir, which is a source of friction. I think the gretest threat to the world will come from china  which has a sense of historical injustice, and like every powerful country, feels the world must recognise it's power. The west might be slow to react in the way Britain was in the late nineteenth century to the rise of germany and might sleepwar into a war with china.

In the end Inidia will be more powerful than China because it has greater powers of ideas and thought.

Frankly one day India could save us.

CHINA IS DANGEROUS...SO FORMIDABLE

From poisoning baby foods it exports to adding lead in plastic toys..it has tried everything to weaken other economies

Chinas own babies were poisoned. I dont buy anything from china if I eat it, drink it or travel in it. Only electronics actually. Come to think of it, isnt the president of China a transistor saleman?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 06:58:09 pm
there was more than that. The Pakistani president at that time, treated the bangla people unfairly. Hence, Bangladeshis were incontent with Pakistani rule. Also, an operation was carried out by the pakistani army to eliminate political opponents, Hindus and intellectuals. This move turned public opinion completely against Pakistan.

I realized that. Dictators usually fail to recognize when their time is up until they have to be booted out. Their country loves them! AS IF!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 07:03:37 pm
The major reason why china is ahead of india right now is because in china there is ONE RELIGION, ONE CULTURE and ONE RULER. Compared to China, India has made far more progress when u take all of this into account. There is no other country in the world that has achieved what india has been able to do. 
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: XaM!! on June 11, 2009, 07:05:27 pm
no its wrong.... bangladesh ppl wanted independncy... becuz there vr sum reasns....... first ws is the distance btween pakistan n bangladesh... secondly riots startd by indians... thirdly accomodation prob in bangladesh because main offices ver in Pakistan...... fourthly elections were held where Awami Party won n wanted a seperate country....

And where as Kashmir is concernd if you remember abt Hyderabad the ruler was Muslim and it wantd 2 join Pak but da ppl ver Hindus... So he decided 2 join India... Same shud hav happend to Kashmir.... India became greedy n waged war also later on....
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 07:10:26 pm
no its wrong.... bangladesh ppl wanted independncy... becuz there vr sum reasns....... first ws is the distance btween pakistan n bangladesh... secondly riots startd by indians... thirdly accomodation prob in bangladesh because main offices ver in Pakistan...... fourthly elections were held where Awami Party won n wanted a seperate country....

And where as Kashmir is concernd if you remember abt Hyderabad the ruler was Muslim and it wantd 2 join Pak but da ppl ver Hindus... So he decided 2 join India... Same shud hav happend to Kashmir.... India became greedy n waged war also later on....

I have stated that reason somewhere above...India was dragged into the controversy. Well.. one of them who created the problem(the partition)-Gandhi(he was not bad) was shot and the other (Jinnah..I don't know abt him)one was stabbed. So long after they r gone, we r still fighting :(
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 07:10:46 pm
no its wrong.... bangladesh ppl wanted independncy... becuz there vr sum reasns....... first ws is the distance btween pakistan n bangladesh... secondly riots startd by indians... thirdly accomodation prob in bangladesh because main offices ver in Pakistan...... fourthly elections were held where Awami Party won n wanted a seperate country....

And where as Kashmir is concernd if you remember abt Hyderabad the ruler was Muslim and it wantd 2 join Pak but da ppl ver Hindus... So he decided 2 join India... Same shud hav happend to Kashmir.... India became greedy n waged war also later on....
Hey, if we go on like this then we'll talk about west punjab, hindu majority and sikh majority cities in Pakistan.
And the main thing to remember is that the whole place used to be the Indian subcontinent.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 07:12:03 pm
no its wrong.... bangladesh ppl wanted independncy... becuz there vr sum reasns....... first ws is the distance btween pakistan n bangladesh... secondly riots startd by indians... thirdly accomodation prob in bangladesh because main offices ver in Pakistan...... fourthly elections were held where Awami Party won n wanted a seperate country....

And where as Kashmir is concernd if you remember abt Hyderabad the ruler was Muslim and it wantd 2 join Pak but da ppl ver Hindus... So he decided 2 join India... Same shud hav happend to Kashmir.... India became greedy n waged war also later on....

and even if there were riots by indians, why do u think they took place? it is because they were being killed and genocide was taking place.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:12:16 pm
All things considered : Kashmir would be safer in india's hands.

And who doesnt want the heaven India is as home :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 07:19:48 pm
no its wrong.... bangladesh ppl wanted independncy... becuz there vr sum reasns....... first ws is the distance btween pakistan n bangladesh... secondly riots startd by indians... thirdly accomodation prob in bangladesh because main offices ver in Pakistan...... fourthly elections were held where Awami Party won n wanted a seperate country....

And where as Kashmir is concernd if you remember abt Hyderabad the ruler was Muslim and it wantd 2 join Pak but da ppl ver Hindus... So he decided 2 join India... Same shud hav happend to Kashmir.... India became greedy n waged war also later on....
By the way, y do u have to assert those adjectives (greedy) when referring to india when u write ?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:22:56 pm
@ angel no offencE!
it would be safer in INDIA hands?
are u serious!?
when INDIA USED TO BE ONE!!INCLUDING PAKISTANI
HOW WAS THIER PEACE
MUSliams were nto allowed to pray people used to puke in MASJID they used to listen to music outlod
woment were rapped
n u call this peace
when MUSLIMS asked for a sperate land it wasNT granted FURTHUR more violance were included
n then Not to FORGRT many DETINED area WHICH ARE currently in INDA were soppedly a part of PAKSTAN however BEFORE it was ANNOUNCE on radio!! the MAPS were changed
NEHRUS famous wording
*iif there were no calcuta there were no INDIA/bcuz inda was a means of education industriy etc
which was ot be a aprt of pakistan cuz many MUSLIMS used to reside HOWEVER it didnt
n how tro forget
WHEN MUSLIMS were mIGRATED to PAKISTAN what ahppend!!!
sikhs seta  fire on MUSLIMS propert
they KIDNAPPED girls/women
people were mURDERED!!
n u still say KASHMIRE would be IN SAFE hand with INDIA!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:24:40 pm
:) India stands for equality!

We are a nation people are JEALOUS of

We Indians are EVERYWHERE

Muslims in India are not TERRORIZED!

Our country and our roots are not buried and immersed in violence and bloodshed, unlike Pakistan! Pakistan's very core and reason of existence started with violence and killing!

Pakistani's are the ones who turned TRAITORS on India :) so you obviously will never agree that Kashmir would be safer in India's hands - that would be like denying the reason for your existence :P
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: XaM!! on June 11, 2009, 07:25:03 pm
Hvnt u read abt partition of Bangladesh? Isnt it in ur course? Milions of muslims ver killed by Sikhs... N Nid404 Jinnah wasnt stabbed nor he was murdered... N if u remember in 1921, there were 711 hindus compard 2 nly 203 muslims wrkng in govt dats becoz of hindu populatn n NO REPRESENTATION of Muslims by Congress while in Muslim League there many Hindus as well... N when Khilafat Movement strtd it was becuming sucesful n India wud hav been made independant BUT GANDI strtd Silk March n strtd non-cooperation movement whch led 2 killing of milions of ppls especialy Rowlats Act ws fearful one...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:26:28 pm
:) India stands for equality!

We are a nation people are JEALOUS of

We Indians are EVERYWHERE

Muslims in India are not TERRORIZED!

Our country and our roots are not buried and immersed in violence and bloodshed, unlike Pakistan! Pakistan's very core and reason of existence started with violence and killing!

Pakistani's are the ones who turned TRAITORS on India :) so you obviously will never agree that Kashmir would be safer in India's hands - that would be like denying the reason for your existence :P
u're a moderator n u're being a CLEAR racst ANGELL!!!!!
INDIA equality
AY RIGHT!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:27:19 pm
Women are raped killed and murdered everywhere! Despite that, we allow PAKISTANI singers to come on our NATIONAL channels, and allow them to stand and compete against other Indians!

They reach the semi and finals in our country!

Despite all your treachery, we give you a chance!

Its a pity many of you still think this way!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:28:13 pm
Im sorry but being a moderator doesnt mean Im not allowed to speak my own mind!

You're showing limited thinking skills with that post :P

What do u mean im being racist? IM AN INDIAN!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:28:57 pm
This is just like saying "ManaH, despite being an FEP master you're being racist! Shame on you!" :P :P
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:29:59 pm
Im sorry but being a moderator doesnt mean Im not allowed to speak my own mind!

You're showing limited thinking skills with that post :P

What do u mean im being racist? IM AN INDIAN!
yes by sayin PAKISTANI this n that
i will certainly reply to ur post n PROOVE ur WRONG angel
about US being racist
the ombs n fring happeneing in PAKISTAN were done by INDAIN!
will proove u really soon!
let me be over with IGS :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 07:31:30 pm
@ angel no offencE!
it would be safer in INDIA hands?
are u serious!?
when INDIA USED TO BE ONE!!INCLUDING PAKISTANI
HOW WAS THIER PEACE
MUSliams were nto allowed to pray people used to puke in MASJID they used to listen to music outlod
woment were rapped
n u call this peace
when MUSLIMS asked for a sperate land it wasNT granted FURTHUR more violance were included
n then Not to FORGRT many DETINED area WHICH ARE currently in INDA were soppedly a part of PAKSTAN however BEFORE it was ANNOUNCE on radio!! the MAPS were changed
NEHRUS famous wording
*iif there were no calcuta there were no INDIA/bcuz inda was a means of education industriy etc
which was ot be a aprt of pakistan cuz many MUSLIMS used to reside HOWEVER it didnt
n how tro forget
WHEN MUSLIMS were mIGRATED to PAKISTAN what ahppend!!!
sikhs seta  fire on MUSLIMS propert
they KIDNAPPED girls/women
people were mURDERED!!
n u still say KASHMIRE would be IN SAFE hand with INDIA!

If I begin to list the atrocities muslims have commited the list will never end. There were losses on either sides. How safe do u think kashmir is with Pakistan my friend. Taliban is there now...and how dumb(sorry to use that word) was zardari to sign a peace treaty with taliban in swat valley. Let is running full fledge in pakistan. ISI in itself is contributing to terror activities. Hafiz Saeed, the chief of Let is free. Sri lankan cricketers were attacked in sri lanka. Actually there r so many more things that u didn't point out. Kashmir is fine with India for now. let pakistan stabilize then we can talk anything abt the transfer of kashmir(which is very unlikely)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:31:53 pm
ohh fdid i say U indians!?
or did i just say INDians!
anwyays!! !!
its not use of arguingg here!!
the truth iis gonna be manupplated saince many people here ARE really having good skills for it!!!!

n for those who want to know the TRUTH listen to ZAHID hamid (he speaks urdu)
u'll get the clear image of INDIAN!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 07:32:49 pm
maybe everyone ought to have a look at this!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 07:33:42 pm
Im sorry but being a moderator doesnt mean Im not allowed to speak my own mind!

You're showing limited thinking skills with that post :P

What do u mean im being racist? IM AN INDIAN!
yes by sayin PAKISTANI this n that
i will certainly reply to ur post n PROOVE ur WRONG angel
about US being racist
the ombs n fring happeneing in PAKISTAN were done by INDAIN!
will proove u really soon!
let me be over with IGS :)

Ajmal Amir Kasab is a pakistani. We r trying him in court. U know how many ppl he killed or r u oblivious of what happened on 26/11. Pakistan is not even ready to grant him a lawyer. Inida has provided a pakistani national-a terrorist with a lawyer. What r u talking??
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:33:59 pm
hahahhahaa MANIPULATE the TRUTH? become RACIST?

im sorry, my dear friend, but this debate is being polluted now! (Proving my point about Pakistan!)

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: XaM!! on June 11, 2009, 07:35:11 pm
Go 4 it manah... N as far as angell is cncernd face da truth... India did violence on muslims... U r puting smileys whch means u r insulting... I respect u... N vl do until sumone says wrng abt my country... Wat abt this jealousy... R u crazy...? V r discusing here abt Kashmir... Face it dat Pakistan deservd Kashmir... Everyone gav evidnce whch shws Kashmir shud be in Pak hands...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:35:44 pm
@ angel no offencE!
it would be safer in INDIA hands?
are u serious!?
when INDIA USED TO BE ONE!!INCLUDING PAKISTANI
HOW WAS THIER PEACE
MUSliams were nto allowed to pray people used to puke in MASJID they used to listen to music outlod
woment were rapped
n u call this peace
when MUSLIMS asked for a sperate land it wasNT granted FURTHUR more violance were included
n then Not to FORGRT many DETINED area WHICH ARE currently in INDA were soppedly a part of PAKSTAN however BEFORE it was ANNOUNCE on radio!! the MAPS were changed
NEHRUS famous wording
*iif there were no calcuta there were no INDIA/bcuz inda was a means of education industriy etc
which was ot be a aprt of pakistan cuz many MUSLIMS used to reside HOWEVER it didnt
n how tro forget
WHEN MUSLIMS were mIGRATED to PAKISTAN what ahppend!!!
sikhs seta  fire on MUSLIMS propert
they KIDNAPPED girls/women
people were mURDERED!!
n u still say KASHMIRE would be IN SAFE hand with INDIA!

If I begin to list the atrocities muslims have commited the list will never end. There were losses on either sides. How safe do u think kashmir is with Pakistan my friend. Taliban is there now...and how dumb(sorry to use that word) was zardari to sign a peace treaty with taliban in swat valley. Let is running full fledge in pakistan. ISI in itself is contributing to terror activities. Hafiz Saeed, the chief of Let is free. Sri lankan cricketers were attacked in sri lanka. Actually there r so many more things that u didn't point out. Kashmir is fine with India for now. let pakistan stabilize then we can talk anything abt the transfer of kashmir(which is very unlikely)
The people who did cause a bomb in paksitan during the match WAS NOT AN FROM OR IN PAKISTAN!!
it was prooven the unifrom n the thing which indian wwear(a red thred) was wrn by him n noo PAKISTANI/Muslims do that
talkng about Talibban do u EVEN know WHAT n WHERE were thier origin!!!
n yes i do agree our president is not a sincere one
YEST we still stand n resist the consequences
while orther BIG nation who were the bigst ones
were not even able to stand RECESSION!!!
ISi is one of the mah\jor power
which INDIaANS want to ruin it!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 07:37:14 pm
ofcourse and on which tv was it. it was a pakistani tv channel that was talking about the red band.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:39:31 pm
Im putting smileys to ease the tension! Whats wrong with you guys? Why do you go for the pessimistic side of everything :S

Kashmir would be safe in Pakistans hand, but risking what?

To be manipulated by the Taliban? To be exposed to starvation, hunger, power cuts?

A country which is shattered by a single earth quake?
A country with an unstable political government?

A country whose leaders repeatedly get shot/killed?

India has Muslims, sikhs, hindus in its top governemnt ranking officers.
Correct me if im wrong, but how many hindus are there in Pakistans governemnt?

Im an indian muslim, i've lived in india, my family lives in india, i KNOW what im talking about!

:)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:40:13 pm
ofcourse and on which tv was it. it was a pakistani tv channel that was talking about the red band.
YEA which was BANNED IN INDA BCUZ OF THE PERSON!!!!
TV 1
perhaps u guys are aware it WAS BANNED FOR INDIA!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:42:08 pm
Im putting smileys to ease the tension! Whats wrong with you guys? Why do you go for the pessimistic side of everything :S

Kashmir would be safe in Pakistans hand, but risking what?

To be manipulated by the Taliban? To be exposed to starvation, hunger, power cuts?

A country which is shattered by a single earth quake?
A country with an unstable political government?

A country whose leaders repeatedly get shot/killed?

India has Muslims, sikhs, hindus in its top governemnt ranking officers.
Correct me if im wrong, but how many hindus are there in Pakistans governemnt?

Im an indian muslim, i've lived in india, my family lives in india, i KNOW what im talking about!

:)
N WHO KILLS OU LEADER
US OR SOMEONE!!!!
ITS TWO POWER
N YES COMON NO MATTER HOW PROB WE FACE POU UNITY IS FAR FROM UR BEYOND!!
N DONT FORGET INB THIS CASE WE STILL HAVE ONE THING ATOMIC BOMB
WHICH IS ONLY IUN ONE MUSLIM STATE
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 07:42:49 pm
actually i didn't see any of that in BBC, CNN or Aljazeera. Why is it only pakistani tv that is showing that?
Moreover, anyone can wear a red band. He may have tryed to imitate a hindu to confuse the origins of the real attacker. But too bad, we caught one and it turned out that he was pakistani and he admitted it.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 07:42:56 pm
maybe everyone ought to have a look at this!!!

what do I open this with?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:43:13 pm
Ok, u say india did violence on muslims

thats Hindu on Muslim

what about the violence Pakistanis do on their own people?

if you're so proud of yourself, why are u divided into 100 different groups?

Why are people in ur country afraid, hiding?

Why:?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:44:54 pm
And to be very very very frank, anything that goes wrong with Pakistan

Be it attacks on cricket player, bombing, or the killing of your political leader- you blame it on india!

Baseless sayings, of course! You havent been able to prove a thing! :P

trust me manaH, authorities higher up and much more skilled and able than you have tried evidence against India - to no avail! :D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:45:27 pm
actually i didn't see any of that in BBC, CNN or Aljazeera. Why is it only pakistani tv that is showing that?
Moreover, anyone can wear a red band. He may have tryed to imitate a hindu to confuse the origins of the real attacker. But too bad, we caught one and it turned out that he was pakistani and he admitted it.
what do u say about brain wash!!
u make muslim/pakistnai n u prove US pakistnai wrong!!
n it wont be on tv cuz he speaks the truth n if u wanna hear him go n look for him on utube
Zahid hamid!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 07:45:54 pm
@ angel no offencE!
it would be safer in INDIA hands?
are u serious!?
when INDIA USED TO BE ONE!!INCLUDING PAKISTANI
HOW WAS THIER PEACE
MUSliams were nto allowed to pray people used to puke in MASJID they used to listen to music outlod
woment were rapped
n u call this peace
when MUSLIMS asked for a sperate land it wasNT granted FURTHUR more violance were included
n then Not to FORGRT many DETINED area WHICH ARE currently in INDA were soppedly a part of PAKSTAN however BEFORE it was ANNOUNCE on radio!! the MAPS were changed
NEHRUS famous wording
*iif there were no calcuta there were no INDIA/bcuz inda was a means of education industriy etc
which was ot be a aprt of pakistan cuz many MUSLIMS used to reside HOWEVER it didnt
n how tro forget
WHEN MUSLIMS were mIGRATED to PAKISTAN what ahppend!!!
sikhs seta  fire on MUSLIMS propert
they KIDNAPPED girls/women
people were mURDERED!!
n u still say KASHMIRE would be IN SAFE hand with INDIA!

If I begin to list the atrocities muslims have commited the list will never end. There were losses on either sides. How safe do u think kashmir is with Pakistan my friend. Taliban is there now...and how dumb(sorry to use that word) was zardari to sign a peace treaty with taliban in swat valley. Let is running full fledge in pakistan. ISI in itself is contributing to terror activities. Hafiz Saeed, the chief of Let is free. Sri lankan cricketers were attacked in sri lanka. Actually there r so many more things that u didn't point out. Kashmir is fine with India for now. let pakistan stabilize then we can talk anything abt the transfer of kashmir(which is very unlikely)
The people who did cause a bomb in paksitan during the match WAS NOT AN FROM OR IN PAKISTAN!!
it was prooven the unifrom n the thing which indian wwear(a red thred) was wrn by him n noo PAKISTANI/Muslims do that
talkng about Talibban do u EVEN know WHAT n WHERE were thier origin!!!
n yes i do agree our president is not a sincere one
YEST we still stand n resist the consequences
while orther BIG nation who were the bigst ones
were not even able to stand RECESSION!!!
ISi is one of the mah\jor power
which INDIaANS want to ruin it!


I know where the taliban was originally from but ur country is letting it spread. U let them in with a so called"peace treaty" which proved to be very fatal..not only to ur country but ours too. Do u know the taliban is 6km from India's border now.

Ur not looking at my posts carefully....cummon say something abt Kasab and hafiz saeed and ISI
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:46:31 pm
And to be very very very frank, anything that goes wrong with Pakistan

Be it attacks on cricket player, bombing, or the killing of your political leader- you blame it on india!

Baseless sayings, of course! You havent been able to prove a thing! :P

trust me manaH, authorities higher up and much more skilled and able than you have tried evidence against India - to no avail! :D
i would proove u wrong!!!!!
after my igs end
ull see it ANGEL!!!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 07:47:05 pm
maybe everyone ought to have a look at this!!!

what do I open this with?

it's a ppt..open it with microsoft powerpoint
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 07:48:56 pm
And to be very very very frank, anything that goes wrong with Pakistan

Be it attacks on cricket player, bombing, or the killing of your political leader- you blame it on india!

Baseless sayings, of course! You havent been able to prove a thing! :P

trust me manaH, authorities higher up and much more skilled and able than you have tried evidence against India - to no avail! :D
i would proove u wrong!!!!!
after my igs end
ull see it ANGEL!!!!!

ans me manah...hafiz saeed..jamaat-ud dawaa turning into let and ISI's role in the terror attacks. Is pakistan safe,huh?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: XaM!! on June 11, 2009, 07:49:46 pm
Ok, u say india did violence on muslims

thats Hindu on Muslim

what about the violence Pakistanis do on their own people?

if you're so proud of yourself, why are u divided into 100 different groups?

Why are people in ur country afraid, hiding?

Why:?

the ques isnt abt muslims n hindus... Da ques abt Kashmir... U said v r divided into sects nw dats nt da ans... V r nt talkng abt current situation nor v r going to start world war 3 btween india n pak in this topc... Its pack up time finish ds topc... M goin cuz tomoroz ppr n its 1a.m ova here... Bbye...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:50:06 pm
its the other way round U guys make Pakistani in the wrong wasy!!!
its not US bombing ourselves
use common sence guys why would one nation kill thier own people!!!
its some third party who is wearing pakistnai mask to make us wrong!!!!
e.g in swat many terorist have been cought n our commander r fighting against!!!
we are not agaisnt each otrhER
we MAY be divided into several groups YET wen problemm arised we ALl are one!!
its seen in every inceident
n ,u say earthquake CAN we help its ITS ALLAH woho can prvent or stop it!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 07:50:44 pm
I run linux. I hate downloading things on to my desktop. I can never find them. What was in that powerpoint
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 07:51:49 pm
maybe everyone ought to have a look at this!!!

what do I open this with?

the powerpoint, u must see it cause it's long. just open the file instead of downloading it
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:52:18 pm
WHY BLAME OTHERS? IS THAT ALL YOU CAN DO?? BLAME THE USA, AND INDIA?

Lolz, after ur igs end? sure im waitin :P this is gonne be fun!

and please, im sure u wanna prove urself, c'mon

Kasab, Hafiz Saeed and ISI await! :D

Justify that please!

Not just say you'll prove me wrong :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 07:52:25 pm
I dont understand why pakistanis defend the us. I dont like the yanks in my country. Why do you want them in yours?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 07:52:40 pm
its the other way round U guys make Pakistani in the wrong wasy!!!
its not US bombing ourselves
use common sence guys why would one nation kill thier own people!!!
its some third party who is wearing pakistnai mask to make us wrong!!!!
e.g in swat many terorist have been cought n our commander r fighting against!!!
we are not agaisnt each otrhER
we MAY be divided into several groups YET wen problemm arised we ALl are one!!
its seen in every inceident
n ,u say earthquake CAN we help its ITS ALLAH woho can prvent or stop it!

do u know why the lahore blasts happened..to free saeed-the chief of let. Indians don't want to free a man who has planned out the terror attacks here.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 07:56:49 pm
I dont understand why pakistanis defend the us. I dont like the yanks in my country. Why do you want them in yours?
bcuz paksistnai is US its not about an INDIVDUAL!
n ANgel there r things in poltics issues i agree whihc i dont even understand
but tlaking baout ooter thing e.g  the bomb etc i do have explaination!!!
whatever, even if i proove myslef u guys would again take out thread
cuz u DONT C URSELF WORNG!!!!!
n about the the US n INdan
its the truuth hun!!!!!
it soo dam true!!!!
who do i think killed banizr
bhutoo(y was he hung)
theinsight is never revealed!!!
US did give warning aginst them to serve for THEm not PAK
yet they choose to doo soo n so THEY WEE KILLED!
anyways i am out from here i have chem in my head
needa rvise!!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:58:00 pm
For Ajmal Kasab:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2140201/posts

A quote: The only terrorist captured alive after the Mumbai massacre has given police the first full account of the extraordinary events that led to it – revealing he was ordered to ‘kill until the last breath’. Azam Amir Kasab, 21, from Pakistan, said the attacks were meticulously planned six months ago and were intended to kill 5,000 people. He revealed that the ten terrorists, who were highly trained in marine assault and crept into the city by boat, had planned to blow up the Taj Mahal Palace hotel after first executing British and American tourists and then taking hostages. As it is, their deadly attacks have left close to 200 confirmed dead, with the toll expected to rise to nearly 300 once the hotel has been fully searched by security forces.

Yesterday, Kasab chillingly went through details of Wednesday night’s killing spree across the city, which ended when he was cornered by police.He pretended to be dead, which probably saved his life. It was only when he was being transferred to hospital by ambulance that his accompanying officer noticed he was still breathing.

Once inside Nair Hospital, Kasab, who suffered only minor injuries, told medical staff: ‘I do not want to die. Please put me on saline.’

And as Indian commandos ended the bloody 59-hour siege at the Taj yesterday by killing the last three Islamic gunmen, baby-faced Kasab was dispassionately detailing the background to the mayhem. He described how its mastermind briefed the group to ‘target whites, preferably Americans and British’.Some of the militants, including Kasab, posed as students during a visit to Mumbai a month ago, filming the ‘strike locations’ and familiarising themselves with the city’s roads.

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 07:58:32 pm
I dont understand why pakistanis defend the us. I dont like the yanks in my country. Why do you want them in yours?
bcuz paksistnai is US its not about an INDIVDUAL!
n ANgel there r things in poltics issues i agree whihc i dont even understand
but tlaking baout ooter thing e.g  the bomb etc i do have explaination!!!
whatever, even if i proove myslef u guys would again take out thread
cuz u DONT C URSELF WORNG!!!!!
n about the the US n INdan
its the truuth hun!!!!!
it soo dam true!!!!
who do i think killed banizr
bhutoo(y was he hung)
theinsight is never revealed!!!
US did give warning aginst them to serve for THEm not PAK
yet they choose to doo soo n so THEY WEE KILLED!
anyways i am out from here i have chem in my head
needa rvise!!!!


u still not answering  me.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 07:59:37 pm
I've been in my school debate team since the last 4 years - and won all of em

Therefore, A few things guys...

Never personally attack, avoid taking names - referring to em as my opponent helps!

Keep a cool head, avoid using caps and emo language (its just funny :P )

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 08:00:43 pm
I read your powerpoint and I can tell you that the english over here are going nuts about minority rights and have just elected 2 BNp - nazi MPs. They are saying a lot l the same things and that white people are second class citizens. Are there any muslims with thier own powerpoints to put their own point?-
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on June 11, 2009, 08:01:22 pm
I've been in my school debate team since the last 4 years - and won all of em

Therefore, A few things guys...

Never personally attack, avoid taking names - referring to em as my opponent helps!

Keep a cool head, avoid using caps and emo language (its just funny :P )


i know these rules
thats why i kept using PAKISTANI n INDIAN NOT US or U!
while u who is a debater end up using U for pakistani
i am also a deabtor futhur more A QMUN delgant!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 08:03:20 pm
Ok then - my bad :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 08:04:25 pm
UMMM, did u know that the terrorists were specially ordered to kill Hindus and not indians as a whole?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: saudigal on June 11, 2009, 08:05:22 pm
Kashmir belongs to India !!! Said it once, say it again!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 08:05:55 pm
I read your powerpoint and I can tell you that the english over here are going nuts about minority rights and have just elected 2 BNp - nazi MPs. They are saying a lot l the same things and that white people are second class citizens. Are there any muslims with thier own powerpoints to put their own point?-
I thought all Nazis were banned!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 08:07:18 pm
I've been in my school debate team since the last 4 years - and won all of em

Therefore, A few things guys...

Never personally attack, avoid taking names - referring to em as my opponent helps!

Keep a cool head, avoid using caps and emo language (its just funny :P )


i know these rules
thats why i kept using PAKISTANI n INDIAN NOT US or U!
while u who is a debater end up using U for pakistani
i am also a deabtor futhur more A QMUN delgant!

nobody actually follows the debate rules here.. and manah u don't have anything to say now right?? U can't defend ur country..look at the ppt and the points put up

By the way I have also participated in Model United Nations G20 Summit...I was a delegate too...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 08:08:25 pm
I haven't had the chance to be a delagate. :'(
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: chaosking on June 11, 2009, 08:08:50 pm
Look ppl, this is where we always go wrong
wat is the thread about?? Kashmir
Wat r we talking bout?? How we downgrade each other...

And then ppl wonder why we never get to a solution..
Face it ppl, no indian or pakistani is going to admit that the opposite is better than themselves

and who takes advantage when we fight like this- Our enemies- The ppl who kill innocent ppl, take their lives, destroy their families,and they get away wid it, and u know why, cuz of ppl like u who keep playing the blame game, and going on news stories and not seeing clearly, Do you ppl know that when Ajmal Qasab was caught, who were the first ppl to admit that he was pakistani?? A pakistani channel, and dont tell me its a lie, cuz the indian media threw the report on the pakistani governments face when they were denying the fact that the attackers were pakistani, and as for angell, claiming that all attacks we have, we balme on india, do u know that last year how many attacks our country faced, and did we ever even say out publicly that india was involved though the indian media is always quick to point the finger across the border, without any solid proof, and as for kashmir, i still say it shud be an independant country where no person has to say that he is Indian Kashmiri or Pakisani KAshmiri, where they dont face curfews and their children can play wid each other regardless od wether they r from the east or west, north or south....., and pls i respect the fact that u indians have progressed so much when compared to us, especially in education and technological fields, i believe u shudn't rub it in our faces, our country is going thru a tough period in its history and it is only wid the help of our allies and neighbours and us pakistanis that we can progress and it doesnt help the fact that one party is looking down at the other.

So pls, i only request u to unite, so that our enemies dont prosper and thus we'll help in creating a sub continent that is safe for its ppl and for the ppl of the world....

PS I'm Pakistani...

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 11, 2009, 08:09:50 pm
hey nice to hear we got delegates of the Model United Nations speakin ovaaa here!!!!

By the way ru plannin to attend the Harvard MUN....next year......
or any other in the midddle east.......
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 11, 2009, 08:11:04 pm
I haven't had the chance to be a delagate. :'(

Come to India..we have these summits quite often. By the way I was a delegate of turkey..I wanted India but never got it.  >:( cuz i applied late.

I am planning to participate in MUNs coming up in India...say CHEMUN(in Chennai) or the ones organised by schools here in Mumbai
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 08:12:18 pm
Im with chaosking :)

I too think Kashmir should be an independant country - but having to choose between Pak and India, thinking about humanity, and everything above, I say India.

I have chemistry and accounting tomorrow - inshAllah both go well ! :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 08:15:29 pm
Look ppl, this is where we always go wrong
wat is the thread about?? Kashmir
Wat r we talking bout?? How we downgrade each other...

And then ppl wonder why we never get to a solution..
Face it ppl, no indian or pakistani is going to admit that the opposite is better than themselves

and who takes advantage when we fight like this- Our enemies- The ppl who kill innocent ppl, take their lives, destroy their families,and they get away wid it, and u know why, cuz of ppl like u who keep playing the blame game, and going on news stories and not seeing clearly, Do you ppl know that when Ajmal Qasab was caught, who were the first ppl to admit that he was pakistani?? A pakistani channel, and dont tell me its a lie, cuz the indian media threw the report on the pakistani governments face when they were denying the fact that the attackers were pakistani, and as for angell, claiming that all attacks we have, we balme on india, do u know that last year how many attacks our country faced, and did we ever even say out publicly that india was involved though the indian media is always quick to point the finger across the border, without any solid proof, and as for kashmir, i still say it shud be an independant country where no person has to say that he is Indian Kashmiri or Pakisani KAshmiri, where they dont face curfews and their children can play wid each other regardless od wether they r from the east or west, north or south....., and pls i respect the fact that u indians have progressed so much when compared to us, especially in education and technological fields, i believe u shudn't rub it in our faces, our country is going thru a tough period in its history and it is only wid the help of our allies and neighbours and us pakistanis that we can progress and it doesnt help the fact that one party is looking down at the other.

So pls, i only request u to unite, so that our enemies dont prosper and thus we'll help in creating a sub continent that is safe for its ppl and for the ppl of the world....

PS I'm Pakistani...



ofcourse, at least me, i'm not trying to say India is superior to Pakistan. Both countries r at different phases of development, that's it. OK, maybe u may be correct for the fact that indian media points their finger first at pakistan when something happens but the question is why? it is because so many incidents have happened that involved Let terrorists, that naturally our heads first turned in that direction.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 08:16:59 pm
India doesn't want to end up like Afghanistan, Pakistan or other countries
 This should be over, and settled.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 11, 2009, 08:17:54 pm
actually i'm taking up cbse, so i won't get the chance to become a delegate. but on the other hand, i'm a science person, so no point even in trying to be one!! :D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on June 11, 2009, 08:18:13 pm
You have to be careful when thinking about blame.

Most "terrorists" bombed by the yanks in afghanistan or shot by the police in the uk are innocent
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 08:20:12 pm
Yes, its not fair for innocents to get killed..
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: chaosking on June 11, 2009, 08:31:45 pm
Look ppl, this is where we always go wrong
wat is the thread about?? Kashmir
Wat r we talking bout?? How we downgrade each other...

And then ppl wonder why we never get to a solution..
Face it ppl, no indian or pakistani is going to admit that the opposite is better than themselves

and who takes advantage when we fight like this- Our enemies- The ppl who kill innocent ppl, take their lives, destroy their families,and they get away wid it, and u know why, cuz of ppl like u who keep playing the blame game, and going on news stories and not seeing clearly, Do you ppl know that when Ajmal Qasab was caught, who were the first ppl to admit that he was pakistani?? A pakistani channel, and dont tell me its a lie, cuz the indian media threw the report on the pakistani governments face when they were denying the fact that the attackers were pakistani, and as for angell, claiming that all attacks we have, we balme on india, do u know that last year how many attacks our country faced, and did we ever even say out publicly that india was involved though the indian media is always quick to point the finger across the border, without any solid proof, and as for kashmir, i still say it shud be an independant country where no person has to say that he is Indian Kashmiri or Pakisani KAshmiri, where they dont face curfews and their children can play wid each other regardless od wether they r from the east or west, north or south....., and pls i respect the fact that u indians have progressed so much when compared to us, especially in education and technological fields, i believe u shudn't rub it in our faces, our country is going thru a tough period in its history and it is only wid the help of our allies and neighbours and us pakistanis that we can progress and it doesnt help the fact that one party is looking down at the other.

So pls, i only request u to unite, so that our enemies dont prosper and thus we'll help in creating a sub continent that is safe for its ppl and for the ppl of the world....

PS I'm Pakistani...



ofcourse, at least me, i'm not trying to say India is superior to Pakistan. Both countries r at different phases of development, that's it. OK, maybe u may be correct for the fact that indian media points their finger first at pakistan when something happens but the question is why? it is because so many incidents have happened that involved Let terrorists, that naturally our heads first turned in that direction.

I cant disagree wid u, even if i was there, i'd turn my head the same way, but again this is wrong, no solid proof, and we blame each other, and also godfather my friend, dou u know that how many ppl we have of forein nationalities who r causing these problems??

u might wanna see how many afghans and kazakhs are being arrested from the tribal regions in Pakistan, so its not only 'Pakistanis" comitting these inhumane acts, so just dont say Pakisatani straight away, though i still dont understand why pakistan cant monitor its borders properly
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MR.BooMBastiC on June 11, 2009, 08:44:19 pm
ppl..we all can understand y pak is having a bad name....and we r not just the culprit....

it is just like a cat and mouse game...for india and pakistan....

the scenario and policy of india is that when ever something wrong happens...india without any lookups justs blames  pakistan......and indian..ppl..start crying........seriously...i am not abusing u guys...its ur media....

u guys watch india tv...they dont even hav a speck of manner....on how to give respect paki diplomats...

u guys exaggerate a small thing million times.....

and as far as Kashmir is concerned ........ur wanting of this piece evidently shows that u r greedy land grabbers...

u can  seen the size of ur country and u still want more....



to no offence..........in my view....there is no use for we students to fight ovr this.

we all know the history....

so u dont need to manipulate it in ur favor......

talking abt this just provokes hatred....

so stop this debate!!!

and just look forward 4 a better future 4 BOTH of us....


LETS HOPE THAT HISTORY DOES'NT REPEAT ITSELF
 
 
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 11, 2009, 09:10:20 pm
my friend mr boom tis is just a debate......
nd india doesn't just blame pakistan over nothing......take the mumbai attack for example.... it is pakistan who did it ......even ur president said yes......

india doesn't just blame pakistan.........

paki diplomats should first show respect inorder to gain respect.....

yes media always exaggerates.........it is the same in all countries i believe........

and as far as kashmir is concerned.....u mentioned india as land grabbers!!! what about pakistan ren't they also fighting for Kashmir what are they rightteous angelS!!!!!!!!!........

it doesn't depend on the size of one country to decide to want more.......I'M NOT BEING OFFENSIVE BUT THAT STATEMENT WHICH U MADE DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.....

TIS IS JUST A DEBATE......i believe it is helpin me to improve my debatin skils..
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 11, 2009, 09:25:40 pm
yes ur right indian - this is a debate

and we're not land grabbers :s we believe we can do better for kashmir!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MR.BooMBastiC on June 11, 2009, 09:38:39 pm
yes ur right indian - this is a debate

and we're not land grabbers :s we believe we can do better for kashmir!

i meant debate of kasmir...and ur saying of debate skills.....is just a mere excuse..

because of ur hostile..stubborned,unjust and unfair attitude.the problem of kashmir prevails...

u r wish aim is just to destroy and deteriorate the vision of pak..instead of helping...

 

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 12, 2009, 03:16:19 am
Excuse me, but India is not stubborn?! You wish us to throw an entire nation into misery, defeat, and hopelessness??!

And this is a DEBATE, no one's destroying, or detoriating any country's image: we're stating our opinions!

If merely throwing facts could break and destroy countries, there wouldnt BE a pakistan left, after all this!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 12, 2009, 03:48:38 am
mr boomba....whoever you are listen......... so what are you ttryin to help your country other than condemning others thoughts and showing yourself superior to others.........tats the problem............u don't get it dude

inferiority complex ..........u don't want to accept the mistakes which pakistan has.......u only wanna condemn - CONDEMN maybe tis may hurt YOU!! but tis is the truth........ a true soldier (indian or pakistan) first looks at his own mistakes before correcting others........ in the past INdia has made mistakes.........but we don't groan upon it or blame others we try to overcome them by fighting ..... EACH DAY IS A NEW CHALLENGE FOR US........

when usay our aim is to detriorate the vision of PAK...........hey buddy u need to revise history....... OUR AIM IS PEACE !!!!

and we are hostile and stuborn unjust and unfair.......... because this self attitude.........today we are great people even in History and in today's world........and we still grow......and always it is a challenge for us......
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 12, 2009, 06:10:16 am
Look ppl, this is where we always go wrong
wat is the thread about?? Kashmir
Wat r we talking bout?? How we downgrade each other...

And then ppl wonder why we never get to a solution..
Face it ppl, no indian or pakistani is going to admit that the opposite is better than themselves

and who takes advantage when we fight like this- Our enemies- The ppl who kill innocent ppl, take their lives, destroy their families,and they get away wid it, and u know why, cuz of ppl like u who keep playing the blame game, and going on news stories and not seeing clearly, Do you ppl know that when Ajmal Qasab was caught, who were the first ppl to admit that he was pakistani?? A pakistani channel, and dont tell me its a lie, cuz the indian media threw the report on the pakistani governments face when they were denying the fact that the attackers were pakistani, and as for angell, claiming that all attacks we have, we balme on india, do u know that last year how many attacks our country faced, and did we ever even say out publicly that india was involved though the indian media is always quick to point the finger across the border, without any solid proof, and as for kashmir, i still say it shud be an independant country where no person has to say that he is Indian Kashmiri or Pakisani KAshmiri, where they dont face curfews and their children can play wid each other regardless od wether they r from the east or west, north or south....., and pls i respect the fact that u indians have progressed so much when compared to us, especially in education and technological fields, i believe u shudn't rub it in our faces, our country is going thru a tough period in its history and it is only wid the help of our allies and neighbours and us pakistanis that we can progress and it doesnt help the fact that one party is looking down at the other.

So pls, i only request u to unite, so that our enemies dont prosper and thus we'll help in creating a sub continent that is safe for its ppl and for the ppl of the world....

PS I'm Pakistani...



ofcourse, at least me, i'm not trying to say India is superior to Pakistan. Both countries r at different phases of development, that's it. OK, maybe u may be correct for the fact that indian media points their finger first at pakistan when something happens but the question is why? it is because so many incidents have happened that involved Let terrorists, that naturally our heads first turned in that direction.

I cant disagree wid u, even if i was there, i'd turn my head the same way, but again this is wrong, no solid proof, and we blame each other, and also godfather my friend, dou u know that how many ppl we have of forein nationalities who r causing these problems??

u might wanna see how many afghans and kazakhs are being arrested from the tribal regions in Pakistan, so its not only 'Pakistanis" comitting these inhumane acts, so just dont say Pakisatani straight away, though i still dont understand why pakistan cant monitor its borders properly

I definitely did not say Pakistanis r the ones creating the attacks in India. I said Let (laskar e taiba) militants r the problem.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: XaM!! on June 12, 2009, 06:41:04 am
U r sayn Pak let taliban entr ur country.....???????
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 12, 2009, 06:52:32 am
No, i'm saying that the Let militants manage to get into india and cause havoc.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 12, 2009, 05:18:27 pm
GUYZ GUYZ GUYZ....
Pointing fingers isn't the key

Pls... post some facts and the ur opinions to win this debate....  :-[
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 12, 2009, 05:41:07 pm
My simple n humble question from u Indian guyz is
Why doesn't INDIA simply carry out a referrendum according to the United Nations if very serious??? :o
So India is upto something!!! >:(
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on June 12, 2009, 06:08:24 pm
GUYZ GUYZ GUYZ....
Pointing fingers isn't the key

Pls... post some facts and the ur opinions to win this debate....  :-[

our facts don't seem correct to u...w8s the point??
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: angell on June 12, 2009, 11:02:06 pm
India needs a maximum of three days to crush down Pakistan - and you guys know it!

Yet we havent

India has never ATTACKED another country in all her years - we're a peace loving people.

Your pathetic attempts at calling us stubborn, greedy land grabbers just infuriates us and fuels us to wark harder towards our purpose! :D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 13, 2009, 07:55:26 am
GUYZ GUYZ GUYZ....
Pointing fingers isn't the key

Pls... post some facts and the ur opinions to win this debate....  :-[

our facts don't seem correct to u...w8s the point??

I mean some bbc cnn facts
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 13, 2009, 08:05:09 am
India needs a maximum of three days to crush down Pakistan - and you guys know it!

Yet we havent

India has never ATTACKED another country in all her years - we're a peace loving people.

Your pathetic attempts at calling us stubborn, greedy land grabbers just infuriates us and fuels us to wark harder towards our purpose! :D
Ya u ppl showed ur peaceloving nature and ur strength to crush Pakistan in three days
by provoking a war in 1965 and 1971. But in vain. Never crushed Pakistan yet. Huh
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on June 13, 2009, 08:31:11 am
HAHAHAHAA.... this is all so funny... you know why? because this is the exact reason why i won the debate about what should happen to kashmir.

when i had to say something, right at the end, i told everyone that the indians know the reasons why we shouldnt join pakistan, and the pakistanis know the reasons why india shouldnt take over kashmir, BUT I SEE NO REASON WHATSOEVER WHY KASHMIR SHOULDNT BE INDEPENDENT.

the thing you have to understand here is that kashmir was never part of india (pakistanis can tell you all about this, how the maharaja was from some part of india, and decided that kashmir should be with india by signing a document, while all the people in kashmir hated him, he was a dictator set in by the british, and he lived in some place in india at the time he signed the document, not kashmiri at all, note that kashmiris ARE DIFFERENT. i mean people from "J&K" kashmir)

and pakistan doesnt want kashmir anymore, i mean your president, zardari, who you all hate (pakistanis and indians) doesnt want kashmir anymore, and that is basicly why we cant join pakistan. your government treats us like a piece of **** in truth, with all your fake promises and things. i understand how you pakistanis feel, but you've got to try and look at what the truth really is, whats really happening.

and kashmir was independent before the british came to india, we had a leader and all. right now, kashmir's prime minister (yes, we have elections for ministers and chief ministers and all, under that indian article 300 something) is not very nice either. its the JKLF and all those other parties most kashmiris support (before you say its because of "ethnic cleansing" in which hindus were killed and all that other BS which your media propagates, i recommend you go find out what the truth is, what ive already posted, how the indian military took all the kashmiri hindus out of kashmir in their convoys and things). because they stand for independence.

face it, all of you indians out there. the military that your government has sent to kashmir is not nice, they do all kinds of things. look in the newspapers these days about the protests going on in kashmir, which are actually frickin huge, but which they downplay, the indian government i mean, they dont allow journalism and all. bbc has to get anything they report from inside india censored and all.

whatever. i hope you now agree that kashmir should be independent. we can fully support ourselves, thank you very much, if the indian government stopped trying to crush our economy. kashmir used to produce a type of shawl which would sell for around... $2670 a meter, which the indian government banned production of. why? the shawl is made of hairs from the neck of mountain goats, and the indian government says that "to protect wildlife, this must be stopped". they give the explanation that the mountain goats will become extinct, etc. WHAT THE HELL? its not like anyone even touches the mountain goats. the hairs are collected from bushes where they graze, one at a time and all... and then knitted and all. mountain goats were never harmed. they lie of course, because they want to make it look like kashmir needs india for economy.
we used to sell walnut furniture and papermachie, very very good quality stuff. if you play cricket, you might have heard of "kashmiri walnut bats" or kashmiri willow bats. well, now, to make these, you need a permit. and this permit, is of course, a big joke. you need the permit (which like i implied, is impossible to get) to cut down the walnut trees... but you know what? these walnut trees that are cut down are the ones that these people's grandparents grew. i mean, they cut, and plant. the huge forests and all? NONE OF THAT WAS EVER TOUCHED. it might have been by some occasional idiot, but the ones these walnut farmers cut, are grown by them.
then there's fruit. kashmir grows LOAADSSS of different types of fruits, the weather is perfect for lots of different types. cherries, apples, strawberries, peaches, plums, and so many more, banana, etc etc. i dont know all of them, but still, those were a few. then there's vegetables, of which you have raddish, tomato, lettuce, pumpkin, turnip, potato, and almost every single vegetable you can imagine, even corn (all the different things ive mentioned, except banana, grow in "my" house (i mean my grandparents' home, which is where i stay during the summer, but its kind of "ours") in the HUGE garden)... all that fruit is taxed and quota'd and all... xD not that bad, compared to banning shahtose (i dont know how to spell that..) and destroying walnut wood production... but just you watch what will happen soon to this too...

ok, i think ive shown u why and how kashmir can stand up on its own. it has an economy. a good one. selling unique things (i forgot to mention saffron, kashmiri saffron is one of the best in the world) (i also forgot to mention this new thing which is banned called "child labour"... all the other types of shawls which are made are usually made by a family, the whole family gets involved, dad reads off the pattern in his special way, son weaves it, mom washes the shawls, daughter makes the dyes, etc etc. this is how many families used to get along. then they banned "child labour". so all those beautiful shawls which used to sustain these people, their whole trade, what their great grandparent taught their grandparent to do, is now about to be lost. the last generation of these people exists in kashmir right now, not practicing their trade, having resorted to things like sweeping streets and begging, and all because of this stupid rule. stupid rule? no, just another way to stunt the growth of our economy so it looks like we need help....) (oh and tourism... dont make me start... all the money goes to some indians living in bombay or whatever, the government people, they dont allow direct flights to or from kashmir even in our new international airport (which only has two destinations: jeddah and some place in abu dhabi/dubai) all the airlines are naturally indian governement owned in the international airport, so that india gains as much as it can from tourism, all those resorts in the mountains are being taken away from their rightful owners, my grandfather owned one which he used to rent out, a beautiful house, the indian military converted it into a garrison for their troops, it has all these bombs and ammunition now, he's not allowed to go inside, etc etc. what, you think you can sue them? they OWN the government dude. please... there is no justice... you wouldnt understand)
so yea, our economy would flourish again if india stopped whatever its doing, we could become a normal country!! we already have our own flag, if you didnt know.. only if other governments stopped intefering... see this:
http://kashmir-truth-be-told.blogspot.com/
http://www.kashmirwatch.com/
or this quote, which is quite random,...
Maharaja Hari Singh had wanted Kashmir to remain independent, but merged with India in exchange for military support and the promise of a referendum on independence, which has never been held. As a result of the unresolved dispute, India and Pakistan went to war over Kashmir in 1947-48. In 1949 a UN Peacekeeping mission arrived and has remained as observers ever since. A second war was fought in 1965, leading to the peace agreement and a new cease-fire line, known as the Line of Control (LOC).

you've got to understand that we've all been put through propaganda. try to talk with ppl who know, like me. i know what happens in kashmir. no, i dont claim to know who hari singh reely was, or whatever. but i know more about whats happening in kashmir than any media can tell you,...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: ~M.J~ on June 13, 2009, 09:48:03 am
HAHAHAHAA.... this is all so funny... you know why? because this is the exact reason why i won the debate about what should happen to kashmir.

when i had to say something, right at the end, i told everyone that the indians know the reasons why we shouldnt join pakistan, and the pakistanis know the reasons why india shouldnt take over kashmir, BUT I SEE NO REASON WHATSOEVER WHY KASHMIR SHOULDNT BE INDEPENDENT.

the thing you have to understand here is that kashmir was never part of india (pakistanis can tell you all about this, how the maharaja was from some part of india, and decided that kashmir should be with india by signing a document, while all the people in kashmir hated him, he was a dictator set in by the british, and he lived in some place in india at the time he signed the document, not kashmiri at all, note that kashmiris ARE DIFFERENT. i mean people from "J&K" kashmir)

and pakistan doesnt want kashmir anymore, i mean your president, zardari, who you all hate (pakistanis and indians) doesnt want kashmir anymore, and that is basicly why we cant join pakistan. your government treats us like a piece of **** in truth, with all your fake promises and things. i understand how you pakistanis feel, but you've got to try and look at what the truth really is, whats really happening.

and kashmir was independent before the british came to india, we had a leader and all. right now, kashmir's prime minister (yes, we have elections for ministers and chief ministers and all, under that indian article 300 something) is not very nice either. its the JKLF and all those other parties most kashmiris support (before you say its because of "ethnic cleansing" in which hindus were killed and all that other BS which your media propagates, i recommend you go find out what the truth is, what ive already posted, how the indian military took all the kashmiri hindus out of kashmir in their convoys and things). because they stand for independence.

face it, all of you indians out there. the military that your government has sent to kashmir is not nice, they do all kinds of things. look in the newspapers these days about the protests going on in kashmir, which are actually frickin huge, but which they downplay, the indian government i mean, they dont allow journalism and all. bbc has to get anything they report from inside india censored and all.

whatever. i hope you now agree that kashmir should be independent. we can fully support ourselves, thank you very much, if the indian government stopped trying to crush our economy. kashmir used to produce a type of shawl which would sell for around... $2670 a meter, which the indian government banned production of. why? the shawl is made of hairs from the neck of mountain goats, and the indian government says that "to protect wildlife, this must be stopped". they give the explanation that the mountain goats will become extinct, etc. WHAT THE HELL? its not like anyone even touches the mountain goats. the hairs are collected from bushes where they graze, one at a time and all... and then knitted and all. mountain goats were never harmed. they lie of course, because they want to make it look like kashmir needs india for economy.
we used to sell walnut furniture and papermachie, very very good quality stuff. if you play cricket, you might have heard of "kashmiri walnut bats" or kashmiri willow bats. well, now, to make these, you need a permit. and this permit, is of course, a big joke. you need the permit (which like i implied, is impossible to get) to cut down the walnut trees... but you know what? these walnut trees that are cut down are the ones that these people's grandparents grew. i mean, they cut, and plant. the huge forests and all? NONE OF THAT WAS EVER TOUCHED. it might have been by some occasional idiot, but the ones these walnut farmers cut, are grown by them.
then there's fruit. kashmir grows LOAADSSS of different types of fruits, the weather is perfect for lots of different types. cherries, apples, strawberries, peaches, plums, and so many more, banana, etc etc. i dont know all of them, but still, those were a few. then there's vegetables, of which you have raddish, tomato, lettuce, pumpkin, turnip, potato, and almost every single vegetable you can imagine, even corn (all the different things ive mentioned, except banana, grow in "my" house (i mean my grandparents' home, which is where i stay during the summer, but its kind of "ours") in the HUGE garden)... all that fruit is taxed and quota'd and all... xD not that bad, compared to banning shahtose (i dont know how to spell that..) and destroying walnut wood production... but just you watch what will happen soon to this too...

ok, i think ive shown u why and how kashmir can stand up on its own. it has an economy. a good one. selling unique things (i forgot to mention saffron, kashmiri saffron is one of the best in the world) (i also forgot to mention this new thing which is banned called "child labour"... all the other types of shawls which are made are usually made by a family, the whole family gets involved, dad reads off the pattern in his special way, son weaves it, mom washes the shawls, daughter makes the dyes, etc etc. this is how many families used to get along. then they banned "child labour". so all those beautiful shawls which used to sustain these people, their whole trade, what their great grandparent taught their grandparent to do, is now about to be lost. the last generation of these people exists in kashmir right now, not practicing their trade, having resorted to things like sweeping streets and begging, and all because of this stupid rule. stupid rule? no, just another way to stunt the growth of our economy so it looks like we need help....) (oh and tourism... dont make me start... all the money goes to some indians living in bombay or whatever, the government people, they dont allow direct flights to or from kashmir even in our new international airport (which only has two destinations: jeddah and some place in abu dhabi/dubai) all the airlines are naturally indian governement owned in the international airport, so that india gains as much as it can from tourism, all those resorts in the mountains are being taken away from their rightful owners, my grandfather owned one which he used to rent out, a beautiful house, the indian military converted it into a garrison for their troops, it has all these bombs and ammunition now, he's not allowed to go inside, etc etc. what, you think you can sue them? they OWN the government dude. please... there is no justice... you wouldnt understand)
so yea, our economy would flourish again if india stopped whatever its doing, we could become a normal country!! we already have our own flag, if you didnt know.. only if other governments stopped intefering... see this:
http://kashmir-truth-be-told.blogspot.com/
http://www.kashmirwatch.com/
or this quote, which is quite random,...
Maharaja Hari Singh had wanted Kashmir to remain independent, but merged with India in exchange for military support and the promise of a referendum on independence, which has never been held. As a result of the unresolved dispute, India and Pakistan went to war over Kashmir in 1947-48. In 1949 a UN Peacekeeping mission arrived and has remained as observers ever since. A second war was fought in 1965, leading to the peace agreement and a new cease-fire line, known as the Line of Control (LOC).

you've got to understand that we've all been put through propaganda. try to talk with ppl who know, like me. i know what happens in kashmir. no, i dont claim to know who hari singh reely was, or whatever. but i know more about whats happening in kashmir than any media can tell you,...
PLEASE post comprehensively so we can reas easily and quickly n reply in time
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on June 13, 2009, 08:19:20 pm
paro nahh  ;D

read it, thats the only solution, increase your reading speed, then read it.

my reading speed is 7 words per second. when i exert myself. typing is about.... 2 words a second when i exert myself

yea. so read it dude. i dont post things like that for nothing,.... i like it when i quote from a post like that showing that i already answered a question but u dint bother reading, or something like that.

dont make me start again...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Q80BOY on June 14, 2009, 07:19:54 am
im my opinion i think kashmir has to be an independent country, with its own ruler and goverment !!

India is huge !! why kashmir? and the same goes to pakistan ... why take kashmir if u have pakistan ??!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on June 15, 2009, 06:47:15 am
exactly! i dont see how anyone in their right mind would want to join up with a place which doesnt even want them, and then claim they're helping us... (eg india and pakistan)
pakistan was good earlier on, like when the split first happened, but now... no... not a very good idea...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: indian on June 15, 2009, 09:05:00 am
ur just tryin to be an amateur!!!!! sorry to say tat .......... grow up not only physically but also mentally........... now you may or may not condemn me or - repp......... i'm least bothered  of your unauthorised facts and realy tired of your pointless arguments.......

u know what try to get tis into your heads RFI either by whackin urself onto the walls............... your not helpin or tryin to debate your just provin you are more stupid............... next time try no to speak much!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: godfather93 on June 16, 2009, 07:37:10 pm
HAHAHAHAA.... this is all so funny... you know why? because this is the exact reason why i won the debate about what should happen to kashmir.

when i had to say something, right at the end, i told everyone that the indians know the reasons why we shouldnt join pakistan, and the pakistanis know the reasons why india shouldnt take over kashmir, BUT I SEE NO REASON WHATSOEVER WHY KASHMIR SHOULDNT BE INDEPENDENT.

the thing you have to understand here is that kashmir was never part of india (pakistanis can tell you all about this, how the maharaja was from some part of india, and decided that kashmir should be with india by signing a document, while all the people in kashmir hated him, he was a dictator set in by the british, and he lived in some place in india at the time he signed the document, not kashmiri at all, note that kashmiris ARE DIFFERENT. i mean people from "J&K" kashmir)

and pakistan doesnt want kashmir anymore, i mean your president, zardari, who you all hate (pakistanis and indians) doesnt want kashmir anymore, and that is basicly why we cant join pakistan. your government treats us like a piece of **** in truth, with all your fake promises and things. i understand how you pakistanis feel, but you've got to try and look at what the truth really is, whats really happening.

and kashmir was independent before the british came to india, we had a leader and all. right now, kashmir's prime minister (yes, we have elections for ministers and chief ministers and all, under that indian article 300 something) is not very nice either. its the JKLF and all those other parties most kashmiris support (before you say its because of "ethnic cleansing" in which hindus were killed and all that other BS which your media propagates, i recommend you go find out what the truth is, what ive already posted, how the indian military took all the kashmiri hindus out of kashmir in their convoys and things). because they stand for independence.

face it, all of you indians out there. the military that your government has sent to kashmir is not nice, they do all kinds of things. look in the newspapers these days about the protests going on in kashmir, which are actually frickin huge, but which they downplay, the indian government i mean, they dont allow journalism and all. bbc has to get anything they report from inside india censored and all.

whatever. i hope you now agree that kashmir should be independent. we can fully support ourselves, thank you very much, if the indian government stopped trying to crush our economy. kashmir used to produce a type of shawl which would sell for around... $2670 a meter, which the indian government banned production of. why? the shawl is made of hairs from the neck of mountain goats, and the indian government says that "to protect wildlife, this must be stopped". they give the explanation that the mountain goats will become extinct, etc. WHAT THE HELL? its not like anyone even touches the mountain goats. the hairs are collected from bushes where they graze, one at a time and all... and then knitted and all. mountain goats were never harmed. they lie of course, because they want to make it look like kashmir needs india for economy.
we used to sell walnut furniture and papermachie, very very good quality stuff. if you play cricket, you might have heard of "kashmiri walnut bats" or kashmiri willow bats. well, now, to make these, you need a permit. and this permit, is of course, a big joke. you need the permit (which like i implied, is impossible to get) to cut down the walnut trees... but you know what? these walnut trees that are cut down are the ones that these people's grandparents grew. i mean, they cut, and plant. the huge forests and all? NONE OF THAT WAS EVER TOUCHED. it might have been by some occasional idiot, but the ones these walnut farmers cut, are grown by them.
then there's fruit. kashmir grows LOAADSSS of different types of fruits, the weather is perfect for lots of different types. cherries, apples, strawberries, peaches, plums, and so many more, banana, etc etc. i dont know all of them, but still, those were a few. then there's vegetables, of which you have raddish, tomato, lettuce, pumpkin, turnip, potato, and almost every single vegetable you can imagine, even corn (all the different things ive mentioned, except banana, grow in "my" house (i mean my grandparents' home, which is where i stay during the summer, but its kind of "ours") in the HUGE garden)... all that fruit is taxed and quota'd and all... xD not that bad, compared to banning shahtose (i dont know how to spell that..) and destroying walnut wood production... but just you watch what will happen soon to this too...

ok, i think ive shown u why and how kashmir can stand up on its own. it has an economy. a good one. selling unique things (i forgot to mention saffron, kashmiri saffron is one of the best in the world) (i also forgot to mention this new thing which is banned called "child labour"... all the other types of shawls which are made are usually made by a family, the whole family gets involved, dad reads off the pattern in his special way, son weaves it, mom washes the shawls, daughter makes the dyes, etc etc. this is how many families used to get along. then they banned "child labour". so all those beautiful shawls which used to sustain these people, their whole trade, what their great grandparent taught their grandparent to do, is now about to be lost. the last generation of these people exists in kashmir right now, not practicing their trade, having resorted to things like sweeping streets and begging, and all because of this stupid rule. stupid rule? no, just another way to stunt the growth of our economy so it looks like we need help....) (oh and tourism... dont make me start... all the money goes to some indians living in bombay or whatever, the government people, they dont allow direct flights to or from kashmir even in our new international airport (which only has two destinations: jeddah and some place in abu dhabi/dubai) all the airlines are naturally indian governement owned in the international airport, so that india gains as much as it can from tourism, all those resorts in the mountains are being taken away from their rightful owners, my grandfather owned one which he used to rent out, a beautiful house, the indian military converted it into a garrison for their troops, it has all these bombs and ammunition now, he's not allowed to go inside, etc etc. what, you think you can sue them? they OWN the government dude. please... there is no justice... you wouldnt understand)
so yea, our economy would flourish again if india stopped whatever its doing, we could become a normal country!! we already have our own flag, if you didnt know.. only if other governments stopped intefering... see this:
http://kashmir-truth-be-told.blogspot.com/
http://www.kashmirwatch.com/
or this quote, which is quite random,...
Maharaja Hari Singh had wanted Kashmir to remain independent, but merged with India in exchange for military support and the promise of a referendum on independence, which has never been held. As a result of the unresolved dispute, India and Pakistan went to war over Kashmir in 1947-48. In 1949 a UN Peacekeeping mission arrived and has remained as observers ever since. A second war was fought in 1965, leading to the peace agreement and a new cease-fire line, known as the Line of Control (LOC).

you've got to understand that we've all been put through propaganda. try to talk with ppl who know, like me. i know what happens in kashmir. no, i dont claim to know who hari singh reely was, or whatever. but i know more about whats happening in kashmir than any media can tell you,...

LOL! Banana in the mountains!!!
"the money goes to some guy in Bombay....". Haha! u make me laugh. u obviously have no hard evidence to back up what u r saying.
if i comment on the rest then it will take ages, so i'm adding nothing more.
actually wait, about the airport....the airport just opened this year in Feb!!!! what do u expect? flights to the 200 countries of the world????

everyone  - please read the history section of the site
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on June 29, 2009, 07:19:15 pm
hey kidses im in kashmir now. ill try to get some pics for you. about what happens in real life.

and you. actually, all of you. stop being such... luzer bubs. seriously. stop trying to be so... read... this is what i think when i read what you say...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(logical_fallacy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Style_over_substance_fallacy

yeah. talk about what i talked about. not just some little random thing i said for no reason at all (money goes to some guy in bombay..)

and yeah. ask me for pictures. cmon. i dont think ull logon to this forum while ur on summer... i dont know why i did... just to ask what pics i shud take... so yeah. tell me what u want to see. last year was VERY bad. this year, things are starting to stir... tomorrow is a strike thing, where everyone is supposed to stay inside. voluntarily. ill take pictures and show you. shops closed and all... no vehicles... right now im at my cousin's... so... yeah.

oh my god. just rememberd. dont have my phone anymore... xD
will have to get it some other way...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: bulono on July 01, 2009, 11:06:37 am
actually india would be wanting take the land without the people as all r muslims they will just creat a civil war within india if kashmir joins india.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: bulono on July 01, 2009, 11:16:57 am
kasmiri people fought against the indian army when it attacked kashmir and over 200 000 fled 4 there lifes to pakistan.nehru had promised to hold a referandum but it has still not been held.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on August 09, 2009, 06:24:23 am
actually india would be wanting take the land without the people as all r muslims they will just creat a civil war within india if kashmir joins india.


U r so not aware of what Kashmir is...for ur kind information it is not the land of muslims or something. Who told you there are no hindus in Kashmir...hindu kashmiris are very much there. And India has no problem with muslims..who gives u such berserk ideas,huh?

Kashmir has produced many Hindu pandits(poets,reformers,etc.) So muslims need not think that Kashmir is theirs...no way theirs..it belongs to everybody....everbody who lives in India..Kashmir was always India's and shall remain so forever....And just because hindus are a minority in Kashmir now doesn't mean their count be ignored. All the kashmiri traitors are free to leave the place and then talk ill of the country..cuz currently u live in India..whether u like it or not
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on August 09, 2009, 06:51:33 am
hey kidses im in kashmir now. ill try to get some pics for you. about what happens in real life.

and you. actually, all of you. stop being such... luzer bubs. seriously. stop trying to be so... read... this is what i think when i read what you say...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(logical_fallacy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Style_over_substance_fallacy

yeah. talk about what i talked about. not just some little random thing i said for no reason at all (money goes to some guy in bombay..)

and yeah. ask me for pictures. cmon. i dont think ull logon to this forum while ur on summer... i dont know why i did... just to ask what pics i shud take... so yeah. tell me what u want to see. last year was VERY bad. this year, things are starting to stir... tomorrow is a strike thing, where everyone is supposed to stay inside. voluntarily. ill take pictures and show you. shops closed and all... no vehicles... right now im at my cousin's... so... yeah.

oh my god. just rememberd. dont have my phone anymore... xD
will have to get it some other way...

Okay..now i have some questions for u..i want no extra info..just answer it honestly
1) Which part of Kashmir do u exactly stay in?
2)Which school do you go to? How far is it from your house? How do you travel to school?
3) Which board are u doing?
4) What do your parents do for a living(in general)?
5)Do you have any friends who do not follow ur religion?
6)Do your parents vote during elections?
7)Do you have a passport? If yes, then what is the nationality that u belong to, according to the passport?

Plz ans honestly...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 09, 2009, 02:18:14 pm
dude tht guys was a spammer nd was banned.... he doesnt live in kashmir ..
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MR.BooMBastiC on August 09, 2009, 04:41:00 pm
dude tht guys was a spammer nd was banned.... he doesnt live in kashmir ..

r u talking abt bulono!?? >:(
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 09, 2009, 04:42:16 pm
did nid404 quote him ?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on August 09, 2009, 04:52:19 pm
did nid404 quote him ?
Loll yes
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 09, 2009, 04:53:10 pm
no hedint ... nid404 asked questions to rfi..

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on August 09, 2009, 04:54:39 pm
She qouted Baluno
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 09, 2009, 04:55:30 pm
check properly...the post above mine
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MR.BooMBastiC on August 09, 2009, 04:58:37 pm
listen up master.........bulono is a nice guy  i noe him better than u do!..

and can i ask da reason y is he banned....


Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 09, 2009, 04:59:59 pm
lol man check the post ... i was talking abt rfi ...



Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MR.BooMBastiC on August 09, 2009, 05:03:12 pm
lol man check the post ... i was talking abt rfi ...





loool...
ok :P

By the way..wat was he spamming..

if i wr u,..i wouldnt bann himm

already so less talkitive ppl on da forum
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 09, 2009, 05:05:33 pm
man wats rong with u ?
y do u jump on me ?
is ny post of mine  saying i banned him ..?

he was baaned when i was not active bcoz he wascheating nd stuff...

u dnt need to tell me wat i havto do ..

no offence
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MR.BooMBastiC on August 09, 2009, 05:14:50 pm
man wats rong with u ?
y do u jump on me ?
is ny post of mine  saying i banned him ..?

he was baaned when i was not active bcoz he wascheating nd stuff...

u dnt need to tell me wat i havto do ..

no offence

ok...calm down....
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on August 10, 2009, 11:06:20 am
in the end the questions are unanswered........ :-\
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: panther on August 10, 2009, 11:11:23 am
WTF??? who deleted my posts?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on August 10, 2009, 11:12:42 am
WTF??? who deleted my posts?
Oh yes!! it is deleted!!!!
I saw ur post n now its gone ???
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: panther on August 10, 2009, 11:18:21 am
ok wtv, imma say it again

rfi iis neither a spammer nor blocked. He actually is from kashmir, but lives in riaydh. he goes there every year for 2 mnths during summer vacation. he even went this year. and he never tried to cheat in the forum. So get ur facts ryt b4 saying bs about ppl master786
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 10, 2009, 11:20:24 am
yes he did i hav his pm abt asking me to not bleive other admins..

u need to get ur facts right panther ...

Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 10, 2009, 11:21:46 am
nd he was banned before ...fora  while not now ..

chill out ....
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: panther on August 10, 2009, 11:23:08 am
yes he did i hav his pm abt asking me to not bleive other admins..

u need to get ur facts right panther ...



dude he wasnt banned for cheating, hes a str8 A* student. He got banned bcuz of messing around in the arcade.
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 10, 2009, 11:25:30 am
but his pms say otherwise ....

nyways no big ....
bcoz he was banned i jsut told nid404 to maybe not xpect tru answers....
 :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: panther on August 10, 2009, 11:29:55 am
but his pms say otherwise ....

nyways no big ....
bcoz he was banned i jsut told nid404 to maybe not xpect tru answers....
 :)

yeah ryt ok no biggie. but the stuff he says about kashmir is true bcuz he is a kashmiri. u can ask O.T.13 about it, hes also in the same school
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 10, 2009, 03:39:29 pm
yeap
np problem....

if he is actually kashmiri...then well nd good :D
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on August 11, 2009, 10:38:06 pm
1) Which part of Kashmir do u exactly stay in?
2)Which school do you go to? How far is it from your house? How do you travel to school?
3) Which board are u doing?
4) What do your parents do for a living(in general)?
5)Do you have any friends who do not follow ur religion?
6)Do your parents vote during elections?
7)Do you have a passport? If yes, then what is the nationality that u belong to, according to the passport?

1) Occupied side. the "pakistani" kashmir people arent real kashmiris. i dont want to go into that now...
2) Manarat al riyadh. about 1 hour away. by bus. (why do u ask? honestly, idc)
3) IGCSE's finished. (not straight A*s, 6A*s, 2 A's ;) )
4) kind of personal... my mom is a doctor by profession but stays at home kind of thing, and my dad is a manager. if i be more specific, you would be able to find out exactly who i am. yes. google. suffice to say, he is a big manager. for a lot. yeah.
5) uhh yes. i have christian friends, and some hindu friends. none of who truly believe in their religions. but yeah. yeah. i dont have any friends who are media thugs and believe islam is a terrorist religion and all tht bs.
6) vote in what? saudi elections? no. kashmiri elections? my dad does, and so does my dad's family. truth is, there is no enforced "democracy" in kashmir. there is a guy, who first became CM, then his son became CM, then his son. you know, farooq abdullah. corrupt guy. he was a decent person, then messed up. how do i know? OH I KNOW. cahoots of power? whats the terM? the "revolution" kind of thing? which is now corrupt too? my grandparents and that whole generation were into that. oh i have like the best ancestry in kashmir. a bit. and you know what? i dont think it makes a darn difference. not anymore. mom's side, my mom, and my bros/sisters are all
7) british. british passport. i dont see how u should care...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: MaNa on August 11, 2009, 10:41:32 pm
Was those question asked for the sake of an *interview*?
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: rfi on August 11, 2009, 11:06:28 pm
i have no idea. maybe it helps the person who asked them, somehow? i think that was nid...
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: panther on August 12, 2009, 06:04:59 am
i have no idea. maybe it helps the person who asked them, somehow? i think that was nid...


she asked those ques bcuz she thot ur a kashmiri who actually lives in kashmir
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on August 12, 2009, 08:39:46 am
i have no idea. maybe it helps the person who asked them, somehow? i think that was nid...


she asked those ques bcuz she thot ur a kashmiri who actually lives in kashmir

yup panther got it...i thought u live in Kashmir. Undoubtedly u have a lavish lifestyle and u enjoy ur life to the fullest....It's good to know the that ur not a complete 'racist'.....cuz that is how u spoke(ill) abt Indians...pleased to know u don't hate ppl from diff religions.....it's great to know ur mom's a doc but not great to know she doesn't practice it.....

Yet again u r bewildering......Are u kashmiri or what??? U hold a british passport...and ur dad votes in Kashmiri elections....whatever...u r having a good life and not 'suffering' as u say kashmiris are......but i am certainly clear abt one thing...You have no clear picture of India or Kashmir for that matter....i am sorry to say



Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: master786 on August 12, 2009, 08:47:38 am
i have no idea. maybe it helps the person who asked them, somehow? i think that was nid...


she asked those ques bcuz she thot ur a kashmiri who actually lives in kashmir

yup panther got it...i thought u live in Kashmir. Undoubtedly u have a lavish lifestyle and u enjoy ur life to the fullest....It's good to know the that ur not a complete 'racist'.....cuz that is how u spoke(ill) abt Indians...pleased to know u don't hate ppl from diff religions.....it's great to know ur mom's a doc but not great to know she doesn't practice it.....

Yet again u r bewildering......Are u kashmiri or what??? U hold a british passport...and ur dad votes in Kashmiri elections....whatever...u r having a good life and not 'suffering' as u say kashmiris are......but i am certainly clear abt one thing...You have no clear picture of India or Kashmir for that matter....i am sorry to say






guys guys guys
dnt get to serious abt this issue... its a sensitive one...its beter discussion is stopped right away
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Zain-Xa on August 12, 2009, 09:52:39 am
yes.. stopp.. v dont want another world war here.. !!
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on August 12, 2009, 04:31:45 pm
It's not a war guys....we're only debating...don't worry...it's better to lock this topic actually..i said that previously but no one ever got it....when u r not indian,pakistani or kashmiri..u don't understand the sensitivity of the issue....it hurts the sentiments of the ppl..
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Zain-Xa on August 12, 2009, 04:33:47 pm
It's not a war guys....we're only debating...don't worry...it's better to lock this topic actually..i said that previously but no one ever got it....when u r not indian,pakistani or kashmiri..u don't understand the sensitivity of the issue....it hurts the sentiments of the ppl..

i totally agree with u :)
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: nid404 on August 12, 2009, 04:41:09 pm
It's not a war guys....we're only debating...don't worry...it's better to lock this topic actually..i said that previously but no one ever got it....when u r not indian,pakistani or kashmiri..u don't understand the sensitivity of the issue....it hurts the sentiments of the ppl..

i totally agree with u :)

Thanx....and i will send u some more ppts tom
Title: Re: Who's is Kashmir rightfully
Post by: Zain-Xa on August 12, 2009, 04:43:05 pm
It's not a war guys....we're only debating...don't worry...it's better to lock this topic actually..i said that previously but no one ever got it....when u r not indian,pakistani or kashmiri..u don't understand the sensitivity of the issue....it hurts the sentiments of the ppl..

i totally agree with u :)

Thanx....and i will send u some more ppts tom

ppts .. foor ?? physics ??  :-\ Thanks thougghh  :-*