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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: Freaked12 on June 21, 2010, 05:52:46 pm
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.. they believe a literal interpretation of Genesis and Earth was created in 6 days and Adam and Eve?
Sensible Topic. A century long debate and much more important for understanding life itself.
Peace!
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Haha ;D Hope this doesn't go in the bin ..... ::)
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Write Your VIEWS ASAP..
before it really goes in the bin
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Evolution claims that 'molecules got jumbled together to form organic compounds and to life'. Considering the complexity of cellular organisms, this is highly unlikely, if not impossible.
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Evolution claims that 'molecules got jumbled together to form organic compounds and to life'. Considering the complexity of cellular organisms, this is highly unlikely, if not impossible.
So.... "God said Let there be light and there was light" is the sensible one ? ::)
I believe the first one has a probability higher by 95838237232377693455676778787845644535353523 % than the latter one.... ::) ( I could add more numbers but my fingers will get paralyzed if I type that much..)
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So.... "God said Let there be light and there was light" is the sensible one ? ::)
I believe the first one has a probability higher by 95838237232377693455676778787845644535353523 % than the latter one.... ::) ( I could add more numbers but my fingers will get paralyzed if I type that much..)
I was not actually talking about God. Just evolution.
But frankly, if you keep some molecules of carbon, and minerals together, is there any chance of something as complex as a cell forming? Let alone a human who contains so fantastic "combination of cells" that we are just perfect. Show me one logic which can reinforce this? The probability of this happening is 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000......................1
[My hands would get paralyzed if I type this long, sorry :P]
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I was not actually talking about God. Just evolution.
But frankly, if you keep some molecules of carbon, and minerals together, is there any chance of something as complex as a cell forming? Let alone a human who contains so fantastic "combination of cells" that we are just perfect. Show me one logic which can reinforce this? The probability of this happening is 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000......................1
[My hands would get paralyzed if I type this long, sorry :P]
As long as the 1 is there... I believe it can...
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Alrighty...
First off, Evolution is a theory. There is no way to prove that we evolved from apes, who evolved from something else, who evolved from one celled organisms that crawled out of the primordial ooze from the Big Bang Theory. Lol, evolution is a theory based off of a theory. Ironic isn't it? The only way to prove this theory would be to go back millions of years and watch it happen, or to make it happen today. You don't see many science labs put a worm under a heat lamp and a few years later have a horse on their hands. It just doesn't happen
Secondly, to nonbelievers of the Bible, the entire Bible is a theory, and couldn't possibly happen. However, to believers of the Bible, evolution is a theory, and couldn't possibly happen. Therefore, there is no right or wrong answer. True believers also know that there are always going to be people who don't believe, and God wants them to teach His word, and be understanding, and not force religion upon someone who does not believe. Therefore, all those people who just answered this question with rudeness, insensitivity, and no sense of understanding cannot possibly be true believers. If this were the case, they would have tried to teach Gods will and word to this person rather than simply saying he/she is wrong.
I understand where you are coming from. But, you must also understand where I am coming from. I believe in the Bible and that God created the Earth. You believe in evolution and think the Bible is a hoax. That is fine. However, seriously think about both sides of the story before discounting the other.Mrail
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Haha ;D Hope this doesn't go in the bin ..... ::)
Write Your VIEWS ASAP..
before it really goes in the bin
It won't. Only meaningless topics go there.
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As long as the 1 is there... I believe it can...
If you have some idea of probability of statistics, you would know that, in 4500 billion years (4500000000000), such a probability is too low. Sorry, it can't.
But in case of God, there are numerous evidence that he is our creator. Whereas, there is no solid evidence of creation theory.
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Alrighty...
First off, Evolution is a theory. There is no way to prove that we evolved from apes, who evolved from something else, who evolved from one celled organisms that crawled out of the primordial ooze from the Big Bang Theory. Lol, evolution is a theory based off of a theory. Ironic isn't it? The only way to prove this theory would be to go back millions of years and watch it happen, or to make it happen today. You don't see many science labs put a worm under a heat lamp and a few years later have a horse on their hands. It just doesn't happen
Secondly, to nonbelievers of the Bible, the entire Bible is a theory, and couldn't possibly happen. However, to believers of the Bible, evolution is a theory, and couldn't possibly happen. Therefore, there is no right or wrong answer. True believers also know that there are always going to be people who don't believe, and God wants them to teach His word, and be understanding, and not force religion upon someone who does not believe. Therefore, all those people who just answered this question with rudeness, insensitivity, and no sense of understanding cannot possibly be true believers. If this were the case, they would have tried to teach Gods will and word to this person rather than simply saying he/she is wrong.
I understand where you are coming from. But, you must also understand where I am coming from. I believe in the Bible and that God created the Earth. You believe in evolution and think the Bible is a hoax. That is fine. However, seriously think about both sides of the story before discounting the other.Mrail
Don't copy replies from Yahoo Answers, Arsenal. :P
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Don't copy replies from Yahoo Answers, Arsenal. :P
I wrote the author dude
marial
Am off.
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But in case of God, there are numerous evidence that he is our creator.
Like ?
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Look here for serious contradictions of Evolution theory:
http://www.origins.org/articles/bohlinray_5crises.html
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Like ?
If you were not created through evolution, WHO CREATED YOU? Surely, somebody must've. Otherwise, we cannot be here out of nothing.
This is the strongest proof.
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Alrighty...
First off, Evolution is a theory. There is no way to prove that we evolved from apes, who evolved from something else, who evolved from one celled organisms that crawled out of the primordial ooze from the Big Bang Theory. Lol, evolution is a theory based off of a theory. Ironic isn't it? The only way to prove this theory would be to go back millions of years and watch it happen, or to make it happen today. You don't see many science labs put a worm under a heat lamp and a few years later have a horse on their hands. It just doesn't happen
Secondly, to nonbelievers of the Bible, the entire Bible is a theory, and couldn't possibly happen. However, to believers of the Bible, evolution is a theory, and couldn't possibly happen. Therefore, there is no right or wrong answer. True believers also know that there are always going to be people who don't believe, and God wants them to teach His word, and be understanding, and not force religion upon someone who does not believe. Therefore, all those people who just answered this question with rudeness, insensitivity, and no sense of understanding cannot possibly be true believers. If this were the case, they would have tried to teach Gods will and word to this person rather than simply saying he/she is wrong.
I understand where you are coming from. But, you must also understand where I am coming from. I believe in the Bible and that God created the Earth. You believe in evolution and think the Bible is a hoax. That is fine. However, seriously think about both sides of the story before discounting the other.Mrail
Fully agree with Mrail.
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We were created off evolution. Survival of the fittest .that was the whole scene in the prehistoric region. Havent You heard that in Africa where the first human beings were born , the skull had a shaping that exposed the Eyes. Gradually this species began to die and another one evolved.
Human beings themselves were evolved from Dinosaurs where the first mamals appeared
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http://www.scienceclarified.com/He-In/Human-Evolution.html
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We were created off evolution. Survival of the fittest .that was the whole scene in the prehistoric region. Havent You heard that in Africa where the first human beings were born , the skull had a shaping that exposed the Eyes. Gradually this species began to die and another one evolved.
Human beings themselves were evolved from Dinosaurs where the first mamals appeared
How can you be so sure? Its just a theory without any solid proof.
http://www.origins.org/articles/bohlinray_5crises.html - See this for some of the serious contradictions.
The fact that evolution involves "random molecules reacting and forming a human" is itself impossible.
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If you were not created through evolution, WHO CREATED YOU? Surely, somebody must've. Otherwise, we cannot be here out of nothing.
This is the strongest proof.
Then who created GOD ? Don't tell me something like he was there forever or something.....
It's like you said--- somebody must have created GOD. Otherwise he couldn't be here out of nothing.;)
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How can you be so sure? Its just a theory without any solid proof.
http://www.origins.org/articles/bohlinray_5crises.html - See this for some of the serious contradictions.
The fact that evolution involves "random molecules reacting and forming a human" is itself impossible.
Chance certainly plays a large part in evolution, but this argument completely ignores the fundamental role of natural selection, and selection is the very opposite of chance. Chance, in the form of mutations, provides genetic variation, which is the raw material that natural selection has to work with. From there, natural selection sorts out certain variations. Those variations which give greater reproductive success to their possessors (and chance ensures that such beneficial mutations will be inevitable) are retained, and less successful variations are weeded out. When the environment changes, or when organisms move to a different environment, different variations are selected, leading eventually to different species. Harmful mutations usually die out quickly, so they don't interfere with the process of beneficial mutations accumulating.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#chance
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Then who created GOD ? Don't tell me something like he was there forever or something.....
It's like you said--- somebody must have created GOD. Otherwise he couldn't be here out of nothing.;)
God is someone who created us. We're here to discuss who created us, not "who created god?"
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God is someone who created us. We're here to discuss who created us, not "who created god?"
So you mean he was there forever, right? ;D You post scientific facts about how evolution is just a theory without solid proof and yet you seem to blindly trust God's Existence without a reason....
Why so biased? ;D
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Guys has anybody of You studied 2nd law of thermodynamics
Doesnt this go into conflict with evolution?
Kratos?
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So you mean he was there forever, right? ;D You post scientific facts about how evolution is just a theory without solid proof and yet you seem to blindly trust God's Existence without a reason....
Why so biased? ;D
1. Because its what my religion says.
2. Because it has a more solid proof than Evolution or "No god" theory.
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Truly hilarious. You love controversial debates.
To begin with, the theory of Evolution is an assessment based on observation, by a scientist called Charles Darwin. Now, this theory has been disproved scientifically, and if you watch the Discovery channel, you will get an elaborate description of why it is disproved.
Now, if you feel that simply because Humans and monkeys look alike, then that is a very poor explanation. Science itself is against jumping to such a controversial remark.
Now, if you wish to explain the Universe and how it exists and persists, be my guest, there is no logical conclusion as to why things happen. Is everything probability? Is everything controlled, why is there a higher chance of entropy rather than creation? Logic is for Humans to explain and progress to make their lives easier, it is not to explain the nature of the Universe. Like I have said many times, logic is flawed in the making. There will always be superior logic, and often logic comes to an illogical conclusion.
Is the glass half full or half empty? Logic would dictate both, so now comes perspective. If Logic could be an explanation to all the things such as emotion, then there would be no debate.
Please refrain from getting too much into religion here please.
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*things progress from Order to disorder*
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Stylish and Engraved -->>>>
Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order.
In any nontrivial system with lots of energy flowing through it, you are almost certain to find order arising somewhere in the system. If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature?
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Truly hilarious. You love controversial debates.
To begin with, the theory of Evolution is an assessment based on observation, by a scientist called Charles Darwin. Now, this theory has been disproved scientifically, and if you watch the Discovery channel, you will get an elaborate description of why it is disproved.
Now, if you feel that simply because Humans and monkeys look alike, then that is a very poor explanation. Science itself is against jumping to such a controversial remark.
Now, if you wish to explain the Universe and how it exists and persists, be my guest, there is no logical conclusion as to why things happen. Is everything probability? Is everything controlled, why is there a higher chance of entropy rather than creation? Logic is for Humans to explain and progress to make their lives easier, it is not to explain the nature of the Universe. Like I have said many times, logic is flawed in the making. There will always be superior logic, and often logic comes to an illogical conclusion.
Is the glass half full or half empty? Logic would dictate both, so now comes perspective. If Logic could be an explanation to all the things such as emotion, then there would be no debate.
Please refrain from getting too much into religion here please.
Entropy :indication of unusable energy or randomness ?
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1. Because its what my religion says.
2. Because it has a more solid proof than Evolution or "No god" theory.
No proofs.... ::) ..... Blind faith...
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Arsenal-- I haven't studied that law.. :-\
But I read that article.. And I am going to pretend that I grasped it fully... :P :P
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Arsenal-- I haven't studied that law.. :-\
But I read that article.. And I am going to pretend that I grasped it fully... :P :P
I have opened the link of whether the second law of thermodynamics violates evolution
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No proofs.... ::) ..... Blind faith...
Google "Proof that god exists" and see the results.
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This is also a mason's Guideline
Things move from Order to disorder and masons as a result spend long nights in rooms alone to reflect on their lives
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Stylish and Engraved -->>>>
Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order.
In any nontrivial system with lots of energy flowing through it, you are almost certain to find order arising somewhere in the system. If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature?
I can't understand how "snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes and other natural disaster" can occur from disorder. And how can they be "order".
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Stylish and Engraved -->>>>
Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order.
In any nontrivial system with lots of energy flowing through it, you are almost certain to find order arising somewhere in the system. If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature?
Finally, I bring out the real you. Encouraging.
Snowflakes, Sand-Dunes, No intelligent programming? Are you sure? :)
The snow that is made is from the water-vapour in the air. Which condenses as cool winds blow, which itself is in a network of trading winds. A network, a system of winds, of currents of water, a cycle persists. And there is a reason, logic would dictate nothing happens as a simple occurrence, there is a reason.
And yes, there is order, the heavenly bodies all aligned in their places, and the sun gives light. Logic would dictate someone does all this. Yes, there is order rising from randomness, but is the Sun rising every day not a persistent order?
You seem to be unable to ascertain what conclusions you make yourself.
And Laws are meant to be broken Kratos, you prove that yourself. In the end this debate will come to this:
Logic is what man relies on to explain the limited circle in which he lives. We do not have the ability to comprehend nature itself. We can observe it in all its might, but that in itself is order is it not. It brings rain, it brings snow, its blows, the wind two and frow. To cool and ease, seldom to appease. But sometimes to enrage, and engulf its victims in a fiery cage.
You need to realise that you are trying to explain the un-explainable.
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I will join this debate for real tomorrow. now heading for sleep. bye everybody!
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No proofs.... ::) ..... Blind faith...
Yes, precisely my point, you rely on logic. You only see that there is reason, and no belief. That is why you are wrong.
I feel like choking your arguments down. But I want to see what Alpha does.
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I want to hammer you right now ::) but the Spain match is starting now and My logic says the right thing to do is to watch it ...... :P
Don't worry I'll have the Thor's hammer ready by tomorrow.. ::) :P :P
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Yes, precisely my point, you rely on logic. You only see that there is reason, and no belief. That is why you are wrong.
I feel like choking your arguments down. But I want to see what Alpha does.
Alpha is busy nowadays...
But Kratos, be prepared to face my wrath tomorrow. I grant you liberty for today night. Now, go to sleep. :P
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I want to hammer you right now ::) but the Spain match is starting now and My logic says the right thing to do is to watch it ...... :P
Don't worry I'll have the Thor's hammer ready by tomorrow.. ::) :P :P
I have Odin's Spear. ;)
Enlighten me, I am in need of a little bit of delight.
You seem, to conclude your logic on baseless assumptions. And for that you pay a hefty price. You conclusions result in mere bluffs.
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Alpha is busy nowadays...
But Kratos, be prepared to face my wrath tomorrow. I grant you liberty for today night. Now, go to sleep. :P
Yes, she has made many commitments to people, but she lives up to them.
Your Wrath, is something that will have my undivided attention. Lets see your true potential as well. I will not post much tomorrow, it will be your fight. And one match, I will not dare miss.
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Thank you Dude, Borakk...
Yep, I have commitments, join you later. Gotta ready everything first.
Good Luck with Kratos. ;)
You won't need it By the way.
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Yo :P
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Stylish you there? ::)
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Stylish you there? ::)
LOL, you should knock his door. And not the town's clock. ;)
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LOL, you should knock his door. And not the town's clock. ;)
I wouldn't be able to gather the town people this way, would I ? ::)
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I wouldn't be able to gather the town people this way, would I ? ::)
And it worked. :D
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And it worked. :D
So how are we, townswoman ? I mean lady? ::)
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So how are we, townswoman ? I mean lady? ::)
Fine and busted, as usual... How is Kong? :) Been long. (It rhythms, :D)
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Fine and busted, as usual... How is Kong? :) Been long. (It rhythms, :D)
You mean Rhymes...
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They also say jesus will not return until israel occupies the whole of the middle east.