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Title: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 25, 2010, 07:33:38 pm
Q10, 11 and 32

thanx 4 any help!!!!
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 25, 2010, 07:34:34 pm
I'm on it :)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 25, 2010, 07:44:02 pm
Q10, 11 and 32

thanx 4 any help!!!!

PS; I haven't got the answers..soc heck'em pls :) :

Q.10: v1-v2/u2+u1=1

therefore u1+u2=v2-v1------> D

Q.11:

You must write down the equations for both objects:

1) box-----> T-6= 2a----> T=28+6
2) 2 KG---> 2g-T=2a----> T=2g-2a

now we got 2 Ts equations:

8a+6=2g-2a

10a= 2g-6

a= 1.4---->A

Hope you got that :D
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 25, 2010, 08:04:15 pm
thanks + rep  ;D

it goes up by 2 :D
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 25, 2010, 08:08:57 pm
Thank you Nid  ;D  :-*
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 25, 2010, 08:46:37 pm
PS; I haven't got the answers..soc heck'em pls :) :

Q.10: v1-v2/u2+u1=1

therefore u1+u2=v2-v1------> D

Q.11:

You must write down the equations for both objects:

1) box-----> T-6= 2a----> T=28+6
2) 2 KG---> 2g-T=2a----> T=2g-2a

now we got 2 Ts equations:

8a+6=2g-2a

10a= 2g-6

a= 1.4---->A

Hope you got that :D


for Q10 , arent v1 and v2 moving in same direction , so their signs should be the same , nd the signs of u1 and u2 should be diff.????
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 25, 2010, 08:52:20 pm
lol no..

there's that thing called coefficient of restitution, e,=

e= v1+- v2/u1+-u2

sign is positive when directions are similar..e=1 when collision is PERFECTLY elastic :)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 25, 2010, 09:12:59 pm
For restitution
If moving in same direction closing speed or parting speed = bigger speed - smaller spedd
If movin towards each other clsong spped =sum of speeds
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 25, 2010, 09:14:59 pm
And if they are moving apart separation speed = sum of speeds
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 25, 2010, 11:30:21 pm
ok ppl,
cn sum1 xplain Q32 as well nd Q11 and 10 too  ( am not gettin them :-[)
Thank You
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 25, 2010, 11:33:08 pm
year? I suppose p1
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 25, 2010, 11:41:49 pm
its nov08 ( i've attached the file) :)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 26, 2010, 12:03:20 am
10 approach speed=u1+u2
separation speed=v2-v1
they are equal for elastic collisions  D
11.res for both particles using F=ma
for 2g particle 2g-T=2a (1)
for 6g particle T-6=6a (2)
(1) +(2) 2g-6=8a so a/(2*9.8-6)/8=1.7 B
32)1/R=1/100+1/10+1/10+1/10+1/10+1/10+1/10=61/100
R=100/61 B
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: dodo on April 26, 2010, 03:58:10 pm
hi would please help me in answering this question and plesa while answering explain how u progressed to this result
the paper is may/june CIE physics 2009
question 5 part b) :)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 26, 2010, 04:19:47 pm
hi would please help me in answering this question and plesa while answering explain how u progressed to this result
the paper is may/june CIE physics 2009
question 5 part b) :)

here u go

there is a formula u need to know

phase difference=( 2pi/ lamda)  X path difference

phase difference = pi [ for destructive interference]
lambda(wavelength) = 2pi/ pi  X path difference.
path difference is S2M - S1
find S2M using Pythagoras = root of 802 + 1002
                                                   =128
path difference= 128-100=28
wavelength= 2pi/pi X 28
               =56cm                 
At f= 1KHz wavelength= 0.33m/ 33cm
At f=4kHz   wavelength= 0..0825/8.25cm
wavelength changes from 33cm to 8.25cm
for minima...phase difference should be either one of them pi, 3pi,5pi,7pi [sub them in the eqn]
minima is observed when lambda= 56cm, 18.7cm, 11.2cm, 8cm
which are the 2 values between 33 and 8.25?? 18.7 and 11.2...so only 2 minimas
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: dodo on April 26, 2010, 04:38:15 pm
sorry what's the value for the pi plz
and what's pi????????????/
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 26, 2010, 05:41:57 pm
pi radians = 180 degrees

one whole period corresponds to 2pi radians or 360 degrees...
For constructive interference they have to be in phase
For destructive interference they have to be out of phase...and for minima to have a value of zero...they should have a phase diff of pi or all odd multiples of pi
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 26, 2010, 05:44:54 pm
10 approach speed=u1+u2
separation speed=v2-v1
they are equal for elastic collisions  D
11.res for both particles using F=ma
for 2g particle 2g-T=2a (1)
for 6g particle T-6=6a (2)
(1) +(2) 2g-6=8a so a/(2*9.8-6)/8=1.7 B
32)1/R=1/100+1/10+1/10+1/10+1/10+1/10+1/10=61/100
R=100/61 B


Thank You  :)
but i just wanted 2 know how do we know that the wires r connected in parallel in Q32????
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 26, 2010, 06:45:30 pm
Thank You  :)
but i just wanted 2 know how do we know that the wires r connected in parallel in Q32????

yes all of them parallel to each other
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: dodo on April 26, 2010, 07:02:51 pm
hey agian am really sorry but how did u get 18.7and 11.2?????????????????? sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 26, 2010, 07:06:32 pm
hey agian am really sorry but how did u get 18.7and 11.2?????????????????? sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy


lol....it's ok

substitute for different phase difference...in the first case phase diff is pi, followed by 3pi,5pi,7pi ...like i said for destructive interference, it has to be an odd multiple of pi..

substitute these in the eqn to get wavelength.. phase diff= 2pi/ lambda  X path diff
for phase diff     wavelength/lambda
      pi                   56
      3pi                 18.7
      5pi                 11.2
      7pi                  8

hope ur getting it

Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: dodo on April 26, 2010, 07:26:15 pm
sorry i get the pi=56 but the 3pi is not coming out could u plz wirte it in numbers because is not coming
thx really ur so helpful :) :) :)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 26, 2010, 07:46:39 pm
sorry i get the pi=56 but the 3pi is not coming out could u plz wirte it in numbers because is not coming
thx really ur so helpful :) :) :)

no problem

for 3pi

wavelength= 2pi/3pi X 28
               = 2/3 X 28
               =18.7

got it?
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 26, 2010, 08:07:34 pm
A-W-E-S-O-M-E Nid! You're awesome! :D

+ rep. :)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 26, 2010, 08:10:27 pm
 CUD SUM1 PLZ XPLAIN THESE 2 QUE'S?????

may 06
Q.35
Q36

Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 26, 2010, 08:17:24 pm
A-W-E-S-O-M-E Nid! You're awesome! :D

+ rep. :)

yay!!  :-* :-*

I finally got waves...thanks to you  :-*
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 26, 2010, 08:27:02 pm
CUD SUM1 PLZ XPLAIN THESE 2 QUE'S?????

may 06
Q.35
Q36



Q 35

one i've circled are in series...
10+10+10=30ohms
these are all parallel to the 10 ohm resistor
1/30 +1/10= 1/R
R approx 7.5 ohms
between 1 and 10 ...B
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 26, 2010, 08:38:35 pm
Q36

It's the same diagram both of them..
in diagram 1

4 lamps...2 in series..parallel with 2 other is series on the same side of the source

diagram 2

4 lamps 2 in series parallel with 2 other on the other side of the source...

so they're just twisting the diagram...no difference on brightness...
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 26, 2010, 09:08:42 pm
Thank You nid  :)
+rep :D

cud u also xplain Q33 and 9 of the same year ??????
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 26, 2010, 10:02:57 pm
9, B cos it is the biggest negative gradient
33. Across the top the voltage splits in ration 1:2 ie 4V:8V
but accross the bottom it is 8:V:4V
so Potential differenceD is 4V
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: dodo on April 27, 2010, 07:01:02 am
nid404 thx for the help and am really sorry for asking soo many times but the question so hard thxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  ;) ;) :) :)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 27, 2010, 07:01:55 am
nid404 thx for the help and am really sorry for asking soo many times but the question so hard thxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  ;) ;) :) :)

no problem  :)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 27, 2010, 07:24:28 pm
9, B cos it is the biggest negative gradient
33. Across the top the voltage splits in ration 1:2 ie 4V:8V
but accross the bottom it is 8:V:4V
so Potential differenceD is 4V


thanx :)
but for Q9 isnt the gradient at B zero??????
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 27, 2010, 08:28:55 pm
gadient zero = max
at B graph is zero but gradient is maximum negative cos graph is going down
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 27, 2010, 08:42:43 pm
i didnt get it, can u plz show me how?????
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 27, 2010, 09:00:19 pm
At bottom of motion v=zero but acceleration is positive sp graident is positive. D
I had to read this question several time - I wasnt concetrating
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 28, 2010, 11:21:44 am
Thank You :D

i cudnt understand these Q's in may07 , help plz!!!!
Q40, 37,33,29,23,20 and 18

thanx in advance :-*
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 28, 2010, 11:23:56 am
Thank You :D

i cudnt understand these Q's in may07 , help plz!!!!
Q40, 37,33,29,23,20 and 18

thanx in advance :-*

I'm on it :)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 28, 2010, 11:34:18 am
Thank You :D

i cudnt understand these Q's in may07 , help plz!!!!
Q40, 37,33,29,23,20 and 18

thanx in advance :-*

Q18: B---> the bottom curve is the one for unloading..and so area under curve equals energy recoverd..the lop's area equals to heat transformation

Q.20: B---> W acts downwards on vertical bar..and so tension at X..then just like the concrete and steel beam, when u put a load at the top, tension acts at the top, compression at the bottom

Q. 23: check this thread..5th page..my long post  https://studentforums.biz/index.php/topic,6664.60.html

40: same as Q23
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 28, 2010, 11:37:00 am
hey you A.F, you rock  8) + rep
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 28, 2010, 11:53:08 am
Thank You soooo much A.F ;)
+rep

cud u also xplain the rest of the questions???????/
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 28, 2010, 12:07:52 pm
my bad ;D

Q.33: u must find V1 and V2

V1: same resistence..therefore V1 across PS = 2/2= 1.0 V

V2: 3 ohms: 2 ohms: 5ohms
      x voltage:       : 2

do ratio..now x=3x2/5= 1.2

therefore V1-V2= -0.2 V----> answer is C

Q 37: Same resistors, same length, same material ---> C

Q29: Its exactly like a projectile..constant speed as its in vaccum..no rsistence, and acceleration upwards as its negatively charged..attracted upwaqrds towards the +ve plate

got that?  ::)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 28, 2010, 12:16:41 pm
and Thanks 4 the + rep. ;D
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 28, 2010, 02:05:05 pm
for Q33, why did u take the ratio's???
and Q37> in resistor Q arent the wires in parallel , so the total resistance should be x/7????
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 28, 2010, 03:04:46 pm
Q33...current divides on the basis of the ratio of the resistance...

Q37 srry I can't explain :-[
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: Saladin on April 28, 2010, 03:07:41 pm
can sum1 please give me the paper, maybe i can help.
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 28, 2010, 03:09:52 pm
R= pl/A

it says both wires have the exact volume..i.e the exact area and length x

These are the only factors on which the resistance depends on..

and so both have equal resistances
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 28, 2010, 03:18:33 pm
here is the paper
thanx A.F
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: Saladin on April 28, 2010, 03:29:50 pm
I hate to disagree with you A.F, but even though the markscheme says C, I am not entirely convinced that that is the answer. I think we need astar to explain.
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 28, 2010, 03:37:02 pm
Here's ur explanation guys:

Resistance of P= pl/A...agree?

Resistance of Q:

Area of each wire of the seveen wires= A/7...right?

now R=pl/A= pl/(A/7)= 7pl/A...so far so good..thats the are for each wire..

now total area of resistor Q:

RT = (1/R1 + 1/R2 ....)-1

=(1/(7pl/A) x7)-1 = pl/A

hope that's clear now
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 28, 2010, 03:38:22 pm
Thanks A.F :) + rep
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 28, 2010, 03:38:44 pm
I think I remember the question. Use 1/r=1/100+6x1/100/ on a phone now
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: ~ A.F ~ on April 28, 2010, 03:41:57 pm
Thanks Nid :D
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: Saladin on April 28, 2010, 03:44:24 pm
I remember this question too, and I could answer it myself, but this is the problem, I dont think that would practically happen. Does this thing practically happen sir??

Its kinds hard for me to take in also.

I got it like this, reducing the diameter will reduce resistance, but since the wires are in paralell, that will even out. What I have a hard time swallowing is if this would really happen.
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 28, 2010, 06:01:59 pm
Here's ur explanation guys:

Resistance of P= pl/A...agree?

Resistance of Q:

Area of each wire of the seveen wires= A/7...right?

now R=pl/A= pl/(A/7)= 7pl/A...so far so good..thats the are for each wire..

now total area of resistor Q:

RT = (1/R1 + 1/R2 ....)-1

=(1/(7pl/A) x7)-1 = pl/A

hope that's clear now

yup, now iam convinced  :)
thanx A.F
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 28, 2010, 06:13:51 pm
Q33 plz of the same year may07
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 28, 2010, 06:18:20 pm
still not gotten it?

ok wait...i'll get back in a while
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 28, 2010, 07:01:38 pm
in a parallel circuit voltage remains constant

In the first wire(resistors are in series), the 2 resistors have the same value, so voltage splits equally...V1= 2/2=1 V  [voltage splits in series]
In the second wire, voltage splits according to ratio of resistance...V=IR (directly proportional) ...so in the 3 ohm resistor it would be 3/5 X2=1.2V  (since total R=5...ratio is 3/5)

V1-V2= 1-1.2= -0.2

Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 28, 2010, 07:42:55 pm
Q10, 22,30 and 40

Thank You ;D
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 28, 2010, 08:00:28 pm
Q 10) acceleration of the blocks is constant
the block has a Force= 4ma
F is directly proportional to m
X uses only 1/4 of the force to acc
3/4 of the force will be applies on Y...for both the blocks to move toether, hence D  (acc is constant)



Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 28, 2010, 09:02:59 pm
22. each spring now support 1.5*2=3 times the weight
30charge=average current*time=(20mA+100mA)*8=480mC
40.2 ups and 1 down cos charge must add to1e
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 28, 2010, 10:28:55 pm
okay...
if each spring now has extension 3x , so since they both r in parallel, isnt the total suppose to be 3x/2????????

and for Q30 why dont we consider the difference between the 2 values??
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 28, 2010, 10:33:12 pm
The weight is doubled so the extension is doubled
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 28, 2010, 10:57:59 pm
10 approach speed=u1+u2
separation speed=v2-v1
they are equal for elastic collisions  D
11.res for both particles using F=ma
for 2g particle 2g-T=2a (1)
for 6g particle T-6=6a (2)
(1) +(2) 2g-6=8a so a/(2*9.8-6)/8=1.7 B
32)1/R=1/100+1/10+1/10+1/10+1/10+1/10+1/10=61/100
R=100/61 B


But , for Q11 how do we know that the acceleration of  the 2 boxes r the same??????
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 29, 2010, 05:05:11 am
okay...
if each spring now has extension 3x , so since they both r in parallel, isnt the total suppose to be 3x/2????????


W=kx
k=W/x
now when one spring is removed, value of k reduced to 2/3 of it's previous...which is 2W/3x
2W=2w/3x x e
e=3x
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 29, 2010, 07:55:17 am
cos the boxes are always in contact
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 29, 2010, 12:27:35 pm
W=kx
k=W/x
now when one spring is removed, value of k reduced to 2/3 of it's previous...which is 2W/3x
2W=2w/3x x e
e=3x

am sorry nid, but i didnt get  how u got k as 2W/3x???????
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 29, 2010, 12:31:57 pm
am sorry nid, but i didnt get  how u got k as 2W/3x???????

See all the together had a k= W/x   right?


when one spring is removed from the 3, 1/3rd of the k is eliminated...right? k reduce by 1/3 ...so remaining k= 2/3 X W/x

got it?
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 29, 2010, 12:53:34 pm
yup..

Thank You ;)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: nid404 on April 29, 2010, 12:57:56 pm
yup..

Thank You ;)

no problem :)
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 29, 2010, 02:17:56 pm
nov07
Q35, 26, 25and 6
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 29, 2010, 08:56:09 pm
26. the electric field points in the direction of the force on a positive charge. The charge on an electron is negative so the force points the other way, to the left.
25. 4th sinx=nw/d<1
If n=3 sinx=0.707 so w/d =0.707/3
nw/d<1 if n=4 but not n=5
6.A deflection +ve when current =0 so A or B
deflection increases more atr start so A
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 29, 2010, 11:35:27 pm
Sir, can u xplain Q25 and 6 again plz???????
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 29, 2010, 11:48:14 pm
as soon as you find w/d=0.707=0.236 use sinx =n*0.236
this has to be less than 1 to give a solution for x
If n=4 sin x =0.944 solutions exist
n=5 sin x =1.18 no solutions
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 30, 2010, 12:03:40 am
got it now,
cud u plz xplain Q35 too??????
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 30, 2010, 12:06:57 am
I couldnt find q 35 on the paper
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 30, 2010, 12:10:29 am
i've attached the que. paper...
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 30, 2010, 12:27:00 am
 help plz......

may09> Q18
Nov08. Q4
May08. Q31,22,16,14,12
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 30, 2010, 06:28:50 am
When i get up
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 30, 2010, 10:32:12 am
ok....
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 30, 2010, 10:37:06 am
m08 q18 B - constant speed so kinetic energy constant
falling at constant rate so GPE decreasing at constant rate
B
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on April 30, 2010, 10:40:23 am
i guess thats the wrong Q. , Q18 is about the change in pressure........
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 30, 2010, 10:47:10 am
2008nov B
2+-1% is B
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 30, 2010, 10:53:50 am
Sorry not may 09 - is may 08
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on April 30, 2010, 11:04:40 am
May08. Q31,22,16,14,12
31 use E=QV Q=V/C=6000C D
22. B by definition
16.C by elimination
14.C use P=Fv and F=kv^2
12.ms says D but I understand by equilibrium B
My answer is
C
I
E
fullofshit
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: sweetie on May 01, 2010, 12:31:19 am
Sir, cud u plz check the que's  again , u xplained the ones that i understand ;D

*in may 08 i dont get Q14, 16 and 31
*and Q18 of may09
Title: Re: P1 CIE physics doubts
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on May 01, 2010, 07:38:24 am
When i get home