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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: $tyli$h Executive on April 07, 2010, 01:57:25 pm
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Religious clothes like Niqaab, headgear, hijaab for muslims. Cap for jews, Cross sign for Christians are worn by different groups of people. Some government have restricted wearing those clothes which signify a religion.
Do you think all governments should adopt such policy of banning any religious symbols or clothes?
Please don't insult any religion while debating.
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Bad idea for govt to get involved in religion. The Frenchh and Turkish govts say they are secular, but what they mean is that they object to any aspect of religion that offends them.
Not good.
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Religious debate stylish? Don't think this will end up good.
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Personally I think the government should let us live as we wish to. No restriction should be employed upon any religious clothes. Plain ridiculous for the French government to adopt such silly policies.
Shoshou, I don't think this is a religious debate at all. Even if it is related to religion, as I stated, no members should offend another's religion. If somebody does, I'm there to take care of it. ;) Just that we can't run away from such topics.
You can take part in the debate too! You're welcome! :)
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People should be able to wear what they want. Governments look stupid arguing at the gates of turkish universities over the definition of headscarf.
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their should be no restriction on religious clothes
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Nope no restrictions....
But I have a point to make. I have never seen how people who are under veils are checked for their identity. I'm talking abt security issues here. I believe people should make their choice as to what to wear, but when there is a process to go through, you need to follow them.
I hope you're getting what i mean, like at airports n places, there can be a lot of things under a good deal of clothes, and in the case where your face is hidden, how do we determine who u claim to be ur?
I really don't knw if they do show their face or not....some1 tell me cuz i am not aware....if they don't it's a major security lapse
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Of course security issues should be taken into account. No smuggling should take place under veils either.
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but my question is do women in veil show their faces like for identity n all?
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I don't think that there should be any restriction by the government on clothes because i think that clothes are the main component of ur personality and if u don't feel comfortable in one, that might have some severe consequences in daily life (e.g. lack of confidence, feeling embarrassed and not interacting socially because you don not feel confident in those particular clothes)...everyone has the right to wear clothes which make 'em look good and make them confident for a successful social life...(I am talking in general with no religion involved).
I think this discussion is useless because everyone has his/her own views keeping in mind their religion.
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I don't agree with all
I mean an individual is responsible for his/her security.. No use of government here. Secondly, they should not adopt such policy. Let them follow which they are following, there are other ways of securing people up. there should not be any restrictions like this, or else it will end up in frustration, nothing else. which will ultimately and headache for thew government itself!
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Part of the problem is govt. Govt shoves people around and makes enemies out of everyone. No wonder people do just what they want - so should they, if they are not to be mindless govt ants.
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I don't agree with all
I mean an individual is responsible for his/her security.. No use of government here. Secondly, they should not adopt such policy. Let them follow which they are following, there are other ways of securing people up. there should not be any restrictions like this, or else it will end up in frustration, nothing else. which will ultimately and headache for thew government itself!
I beg to differ...
A government is elected to run the nation which also includes security of the nation and its ppl....
I completely agree ppl have the choice to where what they wish to but when it comes to security reasons, ppl should be willing to cooperate
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I don't agree with all
I mean an individual is responsible for his/her security.. No use of government here. Secondly, they should not adopt such policy. Let them follow which they are following, there are other ways of securing people up. there should not be any restrictions like this, or else it will end up in frustration, nothing else. which will ultimately and headache for thew government itself!
Why is it with events like 9/11 that the government is BLAMED for failing to ACT ? Why do we blame the government when crime rates rise ?
The government did not ask anyone to commit a crime, YET we hold them responsible for failing to ensure social security. WHY YOU MAY ASK?
Because we elected the government to deal with and manage the problems of modern day society. If you believe that we are individually responsible for our own security then dont point fingers at the government when tomorrow a woman wearing a full face veil/niqab blows herself up outside your house.
After all, you were responsible for foreseeing such an event and preparing your security measures. Weren't you ?
To all people who may think that the event I portrayed above is false and full of hysteria I suggest you read about the Black Widows of Russia.
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The Black widows of russia is a v good example of a whole people that fight back any way they can. The russian govt must be made to learn, ignorant though they are.
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Why is it with events like 9/11 that the government is BLAMED for failing to ACT ? Why do we blame the government when crime rates rise ?
The government did not ask anyone to commit a crime, YET we hold them responsible for failing to ensure social security. WHY YOU MAY ASK?
Because we elected the government to deal with and manage the problems of modern day society. If you believe that we are individually responsible for our own security then dont point fingers at the government when tomorrow a woman wearing a full face veil/niqab blows herself up outside your house.
After all, you were responsible for foreseeing such an event and preparing your security measures. Weren't you ?
To all people who may think that the event I portrayed above is false and full of hysteria I suggest you read about the Black Widows of Russia.
I completely agree with you on that
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Why is it with events like 9/11 that the government is BLAMED for failing to ACT ? Why do we blame the government when crime rates rise ?
The government did not ask anyone to commit a crime, YET we hold them responsible for failing to ensure social security. WHY YOU MAY ASK?
Because we elected the government to deal with and manage the problems of modern day society. If you believe that we are individually responsible for our own security then dont point fingers at the government when tomorrow a woman wearing a full face veil/niqab blows herself up outside your house.
After all, you were responsible for foreseeing such an event and preparing your security measures. Weren't you ?
To all people who may think that the event I portrayed above is false and full of hysteria I suggest you read about the Black Widows of Russia.
This doesn't mean the government should interfere in our freedom. A very small percentage of crimes and terrorism acts are committed by women who wear veils. Don't restrict the whole population because of that.
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Yea, but that does not justify why people should be deprived of their rights. Everybody is free, isn't it. When it comes to voting, you voice out about your 'freedom'. When it comes to social issues, you scream it. Now, what?
Why is it with events like 9/11 that the government is BLAMED for failing to ACT ? Why do we blame the government when crime rates rise ?
The government did not ask anyone to commit a crime, YET we hold them responsible for failing to ensure social security. WHY YOU MAY ASK?
Because we elected the government to deal with and manage the problems of modern day society. If you believe that we are individually responsible for our own security then dont point fingers at the government when tomorrow a woman wearing a full face veil/niqab blows herself up outside your house.
After all, you were responsible for foreseeing such an event and preparing your security measures. Weren't you ?
To all people who may think that the event I portrayed above is false and full of hysteria I suggest you read about the Black Widows of Russia.
The argument you gave holds for rape cases and prostitution as well. Who is blamed for an increase in rape cases? Who must account for child abuse? The government only.
If women were forced by law to cover themselves properly, would there then not be less temptation to rape them? Would then not the women be less willing to prostitute themselves? Would they not have it on their conscience? Would they commit such 'immoral' acts?
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Is prostitution immoral?
Most prostitutes are mothers who can find no other way to feed their children. Their husbands have left them and society rejects them.
SUPPORT THE PROSTITUTES!
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@alpha- Yes, ppl should be dressed modestly to avoid such a situation....but what abt security....I feel ppl should cooperate when it comes to that....If a woman in a veil is asked to show her face for security reasons, she can't deny it...
@astar- Prostitution is not the only way....I don't support prostitution....never ever will...It's more than immoral..yes , they face hardships, but nething other than selling yourself....It sux
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When we elected our government we knew that they would bring alot of good and bad for us.
The financial crisis is an example of how governments have allowed banks to go unregulated and commit to foolish financial acts.
As a result, when the government bans full face veils and niqabs they are doing it for your own safety.
REMEMBER: the ban of NIQABS/VEILS extends to only very public areas where covering your face may elicit suspicion (airports). It DOES NOT mean that they cannot where these on the roads of France.
The point is FREEDOM,EQUALITY and LIBERTY are nice concepts that work in a utopian world. BUT in todays time when people are willing to violate those maxims certain measures must be taken against them...
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Is prostitution immoral?
Most prostitutes are mothers who can find no other way to feed their children. Their husbands have left them and society rejects them.
SUPPORT THE PROSTITUTES!
I wrote "immoral" in between single commas. ;)
Nid, the exception does not form the rule. ;)
By the way, love your sig. :)
When we elected our government we knew that they would bring alot of good and bad for us.
The financial crisis is an example of how governments have allowed banks to go unregulated and commit to foolish financial acts.
As a result, when the government bans full face veils and niqabs they are doing it for your own safety.
REMEMBER: the ban of NIQABS/VEILS extends to only very public areas where covering your face may elicit suspicion (airports). It DOES NOT mean that they cannot where these on the roads of France.
The point is FREEDOM,EQUALITY and LIBERTY are nice concepts that work in a utopian world. BUT in todays time when people are willing to violate those maxims certain measures must be taken against them...
What do you call a very public area when people always keep on moving? What's the logic behind allowing them to wear the veil in some 'private' places and ban them in other public places? Remember that people generally attack in restricted areas.
Well, if governments permit themselves to enjoy the liberty to mess up with people's freedom and nations don't speak out loud enough, we can all just expect to be directed by them by bits of yarn and live like marionettes.
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I wrote "immoral" in between single commas. ;)
Nid, the exception does not form the rule. ;)
What exception? what rule ?
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What exception? what rule ?
Just a way of saying "majority counts". ;)
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What do you call a very public area when people always keep on moving? What's the logic behind allowing them to wear the veil in some 'private' places and ban them in other public places? Remember that people generally attack in restricted areas.
Well, if governments permit themselves to enjoy the liberty to mess up with people's freedom and nations don't speak out loud enough, we can all just expect to be directed by them by bits of yarn and live like marionettes.
You should read the papers. The ban extends to hospitals, post offices and buses. You can walk freely down the street wearing one.
Secondly, so what if France bans the Niqab, we should respect the rules of the nation we reside in. Kissing someone in public is considered haram and against the law in many Muslim countries. Although, this is part and partial of many western traditions (i dont support it) no one is kicking up a racket.
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I was not saying prostitution is good. I am trying to think dignity on my fellow soul in the gutter while at the same time not causing them to cost me any money.
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You should read the papers. The ban extends to hospitals, post offices and buses. You can walk freely down the street wearing one.
Secondly, so what if France bans the Niqab, we should respect the rules of the nation we reside in. Kissing someone in public is considered haram and against the law in many Muslim countries. Although, this is part and partial of many western traditions (i dont support it) no one is kicking up a racket.
Seems like you should read the papers well. ;)
Alright, it's banned in hospitals, post offices and buses. Does this partial ban help to solve the problems?
These 'criminals' come even to your houses, to shops, to supermarkets, to schools, to public beaches... The ultimate question: What's the use??
Yes, we should respect them. But before implementing any rule, the government should first respect our human rights. And you forget that most Muslim communities are governed by kings and rulers, who are often arbitrary, while other democratic countries have themselves elected their government. That's why here, they dare and are right to kick up a racket.
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When we elected our government we knew that they would bring alot of good and bad for us.
The financial crisis is an example of how governments have allowed banks to go unregulated and commit to foolish financial acts.
As a result, when the government bans full face veils and niqabs they are doing it for your own safety.
REMEMBER: the ban of NIQABS/VEILS extends to only very public areas where covering your face may elicit suspicion (airports). It DOES NOT mean that they cannot where these on the roads of France.
The point is FREEDOM,EQUALITY and LIBERTY are nice concepts that work in a utopian world. BUT in todays time when people are willing to violate those maxims certain measures must be taken against them...
Oh Mr. Ari, welcome to the debates!
Women who wear Niqabs, who wear veils, who wear any symbol of religion are not necessarily terrorists or evil. A VERY SMALL percentage of those women are terrorists or have bad intentions. How about a woman wearing normal dress? They can be terrorists . too. Not many people violate rules. Those who do, are just a MINORITY. Most of us are peaceful law abiding citizens. Just like the fact that, a minority of members of this forum smokes or takes drugs.
Suppose, in a strictly Islamic country, 80% of woman wear veils. Only 0.5% of them (who wear veils) are terrorists, we all are sure of that. Now if the government bans veils due to those minority, would it be fair to those decent women who wear it? I don't think so.
And I do agree that when you've got a security procedure to follow, you should, no matter you wear veils or wear nothing at all.
Every financial boom is a signal for a future financial crisis. Remember this. This financial crisis, was just a 'result' of the boom in 2004-6. Even the government wouldn't have the power to stop it, strictly speaking. If the American Fed hadn't kept interest rates lower (Which is claimed to be the main reason for the financial crisis), people wouldn't have been able to double, triple and quadruple their money in the few years before the recession. Recession is an inevitable consequence of any boom. You just have to be cautious and get out at the right time.
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Is prostitution immoral?
Most prostitutes are mothers who can find no other way to feed their children. Their husbands have left them and society rejects them.
SUPPORT THE PROSTITUTES!
Prostitution is never justified. The woman can have many ways to earn money. She could work somewhere, or even steal. But deffinitely not prostitution
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REMEMBER: the ban of NIQABS/VEILS extends to only very public areas where covering your face may elicit suspicion (airports). It DOES NOT mean that they cannot where these on the roads of France.
You should read the papers. The ban extends to hospitals, post offices and buses. You can walk freely down the street wearing one.
Secondly, so what if France bans the Niqab, we should respect the rules of the nation we reside in. Kissing someone in public is considered haram and against the law in many Muslim countries. Although, this is part and partial of many western traditions (i dont support it) no one is kicking up a racket.
Couldn't they install security checks? or should I say they are excessively suspicious of people? Or should I say they ban anything they don't like?
REMEMBER: Those who wear Niqab or veils are NORMAL people like women who wear jeans, shirts, shorts etc. It is just a religious custom, like the caps of Jews or the Cross sign of Christians. They are not to be labeled as 'terrorists' and suspected everywhere they go for obvious reasons. Supposing you are following a religion "X", would you like it if you are not allowed to wear a Cap in a country, which is instructed by your religion (and you are a religious person)? I'm sure you would've not. After you have mentally put yourself in this situation, ask yourself: Do you think government should restrict religious clothes?
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Lets get something straight people who wear full face niqabs are hiding there face and identity from security guards at airports, for example.
Wearing a cross on your neck is not the same thing nor is wearing a skullcap.
Imagine this. I walk into Charles de gaulle airport wearing a niqab (no one knows I am a man) and I (i would not do this AT ALL) blow myself up with a pack of C4 explosives conveniently hidden under my long flowing black gown.
Instantly hundreds of people are killed.
We cant be sure whos hiding under that niqab so in the interest of peoples safety we ban it from such HIGH RISK PLACES !! It is not banned when walking down a street.
We saw what happened in London and we know what happened in Russia with the black widows. I cant blame France or any other country banning Niqabs
PS: I understood my mistake Stylish...
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@alpha- True, monarchy is the thing in most Islamic countries, but we respect the rules... When my uncle ws in RIyadh, his wife had to wear a veil evn tho she ws not a follower of Islam...Can anyone justify this?!....but there ws no making an issue..no one can
So, if france chose to ban the attire in selected places, it better be followed up....or u don't go to that place if ur not comfortable without it...
It is difficult to distinguish between the good ones n the bad ones, hence measures like this have to be taken...and whoever you may be and whatever religion u follow, u should be first follow the norms.
@Stylish- What if I wish not to wear a veil in Riyadh, I wouldn't be allowed in there........Different countries have different ways but you have to respect them all
It's not a complete ban anyway.....I went to France only a few months back, I saw many on the streets with a veil.....no problem as such...
"Those who wear Niqab or veils are NORMAL people like women who wear jeans, shirts, shorts etc."
Men can very well take their place under the veil and it has happened
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Hey there Mr. Hapless Monkey !!
I showed you due respect. Show due respect to me too. Therefore, this portion of your post is edited.
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Great let every man wear a veil.
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@Stylish- What if I wish not to wear a veil in Riyadh, I wouldn't be allowed in there........Different countries have different ways but you have to respect them all
It's not a complete ban anyway.....I went to France only a few months back, I saw many on the streets with a veil.....no problem as such...
"Those who wear Niqab or veils are NORMAL people like women who wear jeans, shirts, shorts etc."
Men can very well take their place under the veil and it has happened
I never went to KSA, but hearing what other people say, I think they are too strict. COMPELLING people to wear veil is ALSO a form of restriction on religious clothes. And I do not support ANY form of restriction on religious clothes, whether they be compelling people to wear veils, or compelling people to not wear veils.
Men can very well take their place under the veil and it has happened
A country usually has adequate security checks to prevent this. Women who wear veils are often suspected and checked thoroughly (more than people like me and you) in airports and other major points.
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[MODERATOR: EDITed for showing disrespect to another member. Don't break the rules again.]
Lets get something straight people who wear full face niqabs are hiding there face and identity from security guards at airports, for example.
Wearing a cross on your neck is not the same thing nor is wearing a skullcap.
Imagine this. I walk into Charles de gaulle airport wearing a niqab (no one knows I am a man) and I (i would not do this AT ALL) blow myself up with a pack of C4 explosives conveniently hidden under my long flowing black gown.
Instantly hundreds of people are killed.
We cant be sure whos hiding under that niqab so in the interest of peoples safety we ban it from such HIGH RISK PLACES !! It is not banned when walking down a street.
We saw what happened in London and we know what happened in Russia with the black widows. I cant blame France or any other country banning Niqabs
I'm rephrasing what I wrote in an earlier post:
A country usually has adequate security checks to prevent this. Women who wear veils are often suspected and checked thoroughly (more than people like me and you) in airports and other major points.
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Great let every man wear a veil.
Exactly. Those instances are very few. And usually, in a major gathering or event or airport, there are adequate security checks to prevent it.
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Exactly. Those instances are very few. And usually, in a major gathering or event or airport, there are adequate security checks to prevent it.
If so, then why do we hear cases of ppl blowing themselves up in veils....it happens. :-\ Just happened in fact...
I've knwn cases where men don't let their woman/women take the veil off....and if asked to, they create problems....Mumbai airport...finally had to call for a lady from a different section to only look at her face.... :-\ weird...what's in a face?
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If so, then why do we hear cases of ppl blowing themselves up in veils....it happens. :-\ Just happened in fact...
I've knwn cases where men don't let their woman/women take the veil off....and if asked to, they create problems....Mumbai airport...finally had to call for a lady from a different section to only look at her face.... :-\ weird...what's in a face?
I support security checks on women wearing veils.
I just don't support the government telling people "You must wear veils" or "You are not allowed to wear veils". SOD OFF!!! (Mr. Paul's style! ;D )
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Oh cool!
So why debate...lol :P
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PS: I understood my mistake Stylish...
Ah, its ok. No problems. Move on.
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Oh cool!
So why debate...lol :P
@Stylish- What if I wish not to wear a veil in Riyadh, I wouldn't be allowed in there........Different countries have different ways but you have to respect them all
It's not a complete ban anyway.....I went to France only a few months back, I saw many on the streets with a veil.....no problem as such...
"Those who wear Niqab or veils are NORMAL people like women who wear jeans, shirts, shorts etc."
Men can very well take their place under the veil and it has happened
You suppported banning religious clothes in this post :P :P ::)
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You suppported banning religious clothes in this post :P :P ::)
No ::) ::) ::)
Read it well...I said co-operation from both sides should be expected... ::)
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I think some secular countries misunderstand the concept of secularism entirely. A secular country is one in which everyone can follow the religion of their choice freely, without any interference (unless it's actually something dangerous like Scientology), and where the government itself does not favour any one religion. This does not give them the right to tell people that they cannot wear religious clothing. By doing this in the name of secularism, they contradict themselves completely... while I think that clothes that cover the face completely should be restricted to an extent in international airports and other such places for safety reasons, no country should have the right to ban religious clothing outright, as I believe that it is a fundamental right to dress however you like and observe whatever religious customs you want to, as long as it conforms to the norms of decency, and doesn't hurt anyone.
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I think some secular countries misunderstand the concept of secularism entirely. A secular country is one in which everyone can follow the religion of their choice freely, without any interference (unless it's actually something dangerous like Scientology), and where the government itself does not favour any one religion. This does not give them the right to tell people that they cannot wear religious clothing. By doing this in the name of secularism, they contradict themselves completely... while I think that clothes that cover the face completely should be restricted to an extent in international airports and other such places for safety reasons, no country should have the right to ban religious clothing outright, as I believe that it is a fundamental right to dress however you like and observe whatever religious customs you want to, as long as it conforms to the norms of decency, and doesn't hurt anyone.
Nicely said. I like your signature. I can relate to it.
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Yes...well said Karan
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my viewpoint is government should not restrict .....
yes there are issues such as people in disguises can be a threat to the world
but not all are dangerous....so i do belive that the freedom to practise anyhting in the religion he/she believes should be allowed to follow...........as this is based on religion and people should not be discriminated based on this
what i mean to say is that.... people should not be left out just because someone wears a niqab or scarf(i don't know exactly what they call religiously) or a cross....
i hope i am not offending any religion........... correct me if i am wrong....
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Def not. I bever heard anyone say nuns should not wear habits.
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first of all the niqab that is NOT ISLAM i repeatt Not
wearing a head scarf is but covering ur face is not
then in saudi its different i lived there for almost all my life (bout 11 yrs)
the abaya is not religion its tradition the family which took over did not want the girls of saudi to be harrased so abayas were introduced
as i said this is not religious at all
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what significance does the niqab hold among the muslim women.......
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first of all the niqab that is NOT ISLAM i repeatt Not
wearing a head scarf is but covering ur face is not
then in saudi its different i lived there for almost all my life (bout 11 yrs)
the abaya is not religion its tradition the family which took over did not want the girls of saudi to be harrased so abayas were introduced
as i said this is not religious at all
then why is it said to be religion(compulsory) ???
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wht noone said niquab is compulsory
k lets c if were talkin bout da same thing
wearing a scarf on your hair you have to
cover your face u dont
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wht noone said niquab is compulsory
k lets c if were talkin bout da same thing
wearing a scarf on your hair you have to
cover your face u dont
oh k :D
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i still don't undertand the point of niqab ....
i desire to know abit this....please ???
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people ask why do you where hijab(my mom) the answer: so you dont get harrased by men everywhere nd part of religion
then wht bout if women have pretty eyes: they wear niqab
unfortunately who wear niqub r ugly, they wear it to cover their ugliness (well most r ugly)
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people ask why do you where hijab(my mom) the answer: so you dont get harrased by men everywhere nd part of religion
then wht bout if women have pretty eyes: they wear niqab
unfortunately who wear niqub r ugly, they wear it to cover their ugliness (well most r ugly)
Are you saying that we men are sexual beasts who prey on pretty women ?
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wow man srry i didnt mean it that way but have u tried being in saudi??????????????
they will harass u even with an abaya
nd dont u hear bout rape????
k not all men r bad but yes a lot harass women
srry if i hurt u really i didnt mean it ;D
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That's the KSA; where women are oppressed.
Showing your hair to the rest of the world wont get you rapd.....
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hijab is not only hair it is also clothes all around ur body
nd wearin mini skirts nd tube tops will get u raped
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so under the hijab a person can wear abythin they want...............
that doesn' sound religios.........
thats just like an overcoat a person wears......
sorry i hope i am nt offendin anyone but from what i understood from the one tats wat i understood.....
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i seriouly dont understand the diff between hijab , niqab n abyss
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The hijab is a niqab (veil) against the abyss of this world.
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The hijab is a niqab (veil) against the abyss of this world.
Abyss. Strong word, implies a complete disregard for all those people with good intentions out there.
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Abyss. Strong word, implies a complete disregard for all those people with good intentions out there.
With wrong intentions, that make the world a hell.
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dif is in hijab U cover everything your whole body EXCEPT UR PLAMS AND FACE
in niqubb u COVER ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING NO RESTRICITONS BUT THAT IS NOT RELIGION
HIJAB IS
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ah ok thanx :D now i get it !!!
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How does a hijab help?
Please give a logical reason, not a religion biased one please. :)
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Zara had posted a blog topic once about it... See if you get it there. ;)
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well nid404 if ur wearing a long shirt it would be less likely that you would be harrassed then if you wear a mini skirt
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well nid404 if ur wearing a long shirt it would be less likely that you would be harrassed then if you wear a mini skirt
DO you have statistics to prove that women who wear short skirts are MORE likely to be harassed by men then those who wear long skirts ?
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well nid404 if ur wearing a long shirt it would be less likely that you would be harrassed then if you wear a mini skirt
Hijab is worn over the head. How does that help?
Being decently dressed is more than enough. And yes can you provide us with stats that imply women who wear a niqab/hijab are less prone to attack.
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Hello Nid ! I'm taking a short recess then I'll be gone. ;)
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Hello Nid ! I'm taking a short recess then I'll be gone. ;)
Hola! :)
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hijab is not only wearing a head scarf it is also wearing clothes that dont show any parts of your body (long clothes)
ok if u were a man would you go harass a women which covers everything (except face and hands) or one which is practically not coverin anything
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hijab is not only wearing a head scarf it is also wearing clothes that dont show any parts of your body (long clothes)
ok if u were a man would you go harass a women which covers everything (except face and hands) or one which is practically not coverin anything
Are you a man ? Then how would you know how we men think ?
Maybe there are men out there who love harassing women who cover themselves up completely ?
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i went around the world trust me i know i visited a LOT of countries so i have had experience
then i have a bro and MANY GUY friends
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i went around the world trust me i know i visited a LOT of countries so i have had experience
then i have a bro and MANY GUY friends
So ? You saw one or two guys looking at a woman as she passed by, BIG DEAL !!!
The point is I frankly dont care what you or most women look like, I am not interested in your body parts.
The Niqab is a form of oppression. You have a face, dont you ? Then you should be free to show it to the world and wear what you want.
Tell me, why is it men shouldnt wear a male equivalent of a Niqab ? Couldnt a woman start harassing a man because of his body ?
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So ? You saw one or two guys looking at a woman as she passed by, BIG DEAL !!!
The point is I frankly dont care what you or most women look like, I am not interested in your body parts.
The Niqab is a form of oppression. You have a face, dont you ? Then you should be free to show it to the world and wear what you want.
Tell me, why is it men shouldnt wear a male equivalent of a Niqab ? Couldnt a woman start harassing a man because of his body ?
as i said niqab is not part of religion
then guys have more strength they ladies
then when you look at the news is it the guys getting raped or women?????
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If Men harass women because of the attire they choose to where, there's something wrong in Men. Why should women have to cover up? Ask Men to cover their eyes, if they can't resist!
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If Men harass women because of the attire they choose to where, there's something wrong in Men. Why should women have to cover up? Ask Men to cover their eyes, if they can't resist!
EXACTLY MY POINT !!!!!!!
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EXACTLY MY POINT !!!!!!!
ya rite like they will listen
then its not a choice its part of religion its a must
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ya rite like they will listen
then its not a choice its part of religion its a must
Many men get rapd by men. Its just that you never hear about it.
I find it funny that you think that every man simply looks at a woman, sees if he like her physical appearance and then proceeds to hurt her.
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Many men get rapd by men. Its just that you never hear about it.
I find it funny that you think that every man simply looks at a woman, sees if he like her physical appearance and then proceeds to hurt her.
i dont think that every man does that its just many do
srry if i ever offended you i didnt mean it ;D
i just have to say u cant tell da women to remove hijab cause its wrong its not their choice its religion
although niquab is not nd i agree that they shouldnt cover their faces
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That's the KSA; where women are oppressed.
Showing your hair to the rest of the world wont get you rapd.....
I have been to Saudia Arab and nearly everyone there follows islam by their own free will...they want to follow Islam...nobody oppresses them...and the women there are, if you ask them, are happy with covering their hair...
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DO you have statistics to prove that women who wear short skirts are MORE likely to be harassed by men then those who wear long skirts ?
I have the statistics, yes... to check the rates (er capita) by country...go to http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
But to brief, the stats say:
Saudi Arabia: 0.00329321 per 1,000 people
United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people
Canada: 0.733089 per 1,000 people
Australia: 0.777999 per 1,000 people
Now u figure out in which country hijab is practised and in which it is not...
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I have been to Saudia Arab and nearly everyone there follows islam by their own free will...they want to follow Islam...nobody oppresses them...and the women there are, if you ask them, are happy with covering their hair...
As a Christian if you enter KSA with a Bible or Crucifix it will be thrown into a dustbin by the airport authorities. Oppression ? I think so.
My aunt wasn't happy about being forced to cover her frigging face, so dont lecture about things you dont know.
I have the statistics, yes... to check the rates (er capita) by country...go to http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
But to brief, the stats say:
Saudi Arabia: 0.00329321 per 1,000 people
United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people
Canada: 0.733089 per 1,000 people
Australia: 0.777999 per 1,000 people
Now u figure out in which country hijab is practised and in which it is not...
So ? These figures simply show the number of people who have been rapd per 1000 of the population.
Who is to say that most of these rape victims arent MEN ? In adittion these figures DO NOT show whether the majority were wearing Hijabs when they were rapd.
You need to analyse the figure.
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Right then.. I've got this doubt.. Why does the government even HAVE to rectrict what people wear???????
Governments all around the world are now talking about Freedom for all... So if they restrict the clothing of people where does this FREEDOM go???
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friends u have to know sumtin
KSA believes their power in as religion what i mean to say is that
they belive unity together as in muslim religion do they don't provide any breathing space for other religions
and they have not restricted other nationalties or religions int heir country.....
but they have given people the rite to come int o ther country and work......
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friends u have to know sumtin
KSA believes their power in as religion what i mean to say is that
they belive unity together as in muslim religion do they don't provide any breathing space for other religions
and they have not restricted other nationalties or religions int heir country.....
but they have given people the rite to come int o ther country and work......
ur rite but
abayaas r tradition , covering ur face is tradition
the only muslim part in all of this is HIJAB
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the only said part i feel when i got with my friends outside uae we are checked separately
recently maybe 2 or 3 months bak we went to attend harvard mun and my friend - female was wearin a scarf and at boston she was asked to remove her scarf and her bags and everything were separately checked
this shows discrimnation, i wish there could be something domne to stop this.... :-\
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the only said part i feel when i got with my friends outside uae we are checked separately
recently maybe 2 or 3 months bak we went to attend harvard mun and my friend - female was wearin a scarf and at boston she was asked to remove her scarf and her bags and everything were separately checked
this shows discrimnation, i wish there could be something domne to stop this.... :-\
unfortunately nothing can be done
it has been going on for long and some people just will never learn how to accept it
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why just because she is a muslim it doesn't mean they can treat her or check her the way they want
c'mon guys she is just 15 (she is my junior) and think abot the embarassment not only infront of us but in front of other people also .....
otherwise veryone should be checked the same way as she is being checked.....
i find that really rude not only to my friend but also to other people