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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: ExamPapersGeek on May 29, 2008, 04:53:39 am
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I believe we all know what has happened about the denmark cartoonist, if you don't remember or don't know you can go read it at this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7242258.stm
so the question is: do you think what the danish newspapers have done was right? do you think freedom of speech will go as far as to insult lots of other countries?
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he definitely was wrong, freedom of speech doesn't mean he has the right to make fun of muslims, freedom of speech is only for their own rights, but why insult islam? i think freedom of speech shouldn't go this far.
the punishment for the cartoonist should be decided by the government, and i think it should be severe.
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I also think he's wrong. true that he did it as to show freedom of speech and all the crap, still he has no right insulting other people and their religion.
i don't think any christians or jews will be pleased in Denmark if a muslim guy started making fun of them.
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Denmark is absoutely wrong with what it has done.
It's really very bad to play with others' emotions and feelings (especially with religious beliefs).
I agree with ExBull with the fact that what would be the feelings of christians and jews if muslims treated jews or christians like this.
In fact, there should be no religious clashes in this world (although this cannot be avoided totally).
It is right for the muslim countries to ban trade of Danish products as Denmark has done a wrong thing.
The cartoonist(s) should be put to exile or given harsh punishments or the Danish government must ask for forgiveness to ease the anger of the muslims otherwise Denmark may be seriously affected through its international position in the near future.
If this is not done, then the world will think that the Danish govt. is also involved to some extent.
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he was wrong...tht is all :D
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What ever it is - the satanic verses, danish cartoons, now the novel about mohammed's - peace be upon him - child bride, let it go and let the silly buggers live.
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i don't think some will though, there were quite a bit uproar around the world for what he did.
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You can't shoot someone for saying stupid things. If you did most us could die for the stupid things we say.
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what about stupid things that insult billions of people?
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I won't go murder him, nor do i really care about what an idiot he has been - i ignore idiots.
but there are a whole load of people who won't, i think they guy had a death wish :-\
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Frankly, everybody who works together f***s and damns each other without killing each other. Let the cartoonists and the Mullahs f*** and damn each other too, but if they kill each other they will all end up f***ing and damning each other in jail.
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serves them both right, if both ends up in jail then too bad, i don't really care if they kill each other, but all the people who might die, and they havn't done anythin wrong other then staying in the wrong place in the wrong time.
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People are always saying the wrong thing and annoying other people. I don't feel decent unless I do it at least once a day.
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but i think your one is different, i mean you won't go infront of a whole bunch of black people and say on their face "Hey you black bas*****!" - i don't think you will, but the cartoonist did something similar, and some people didn't like it and wants to retort by killing him, so let them kill each other, and both end up in jail, as long as no other people are harmed, i am happy.
but seriously i don't mind them killing each other, they both deserve it.
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Last year I was arrested for being drunk and disorderly. When I was standing in front of the desk saergent surrounded by 3 very large policemen I said, "Did you know the average IQ of a policeman is 95?".
They were so amused and didn't let me go for 12 hours.
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If you want to be on the right side of history these days you have to be on the side of the rebels, and agree with them, whatever it is they are rebelling about.
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Last year I was arrested for being drunk and disorderly. When I was standing in front of the desk saergent surrounded by 3 very large policemen I said, "Did you know the average IQ of a policeman is 95?".
They were so amused and didn't let me go for 12 hours.
Is it really true? i mean did you do this?
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The Denmark cartoonist guy died by burning alive.
Guesss, he recieved some just punishments from a 'higher power'
May allah help all muslims.
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he is still alive...
and is been awarded with the sappho award..a freedom of expression award...
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What ever it is - the satanic verses, danish cartoons, now the novel about mohammed's - peace be upon him - child bride, let it go and let the silly buggers live.
thats the whole point
LET LIVE!!!
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The Denmark cartoonist guy died by burning alive.
Guesss, he recieved some just punishments from a 'higher power'
May allah help all muslims.
ur being a hypocrite dude
"Moreover, i do find the death scentence a harsh thing to do even for the most hainous crimes, so i believe that the victim or their relatives should be able to forgive the person"
This is what u said abt death penalty in my topic...
A man who makes crap definitely doesn't deserve death penalty...not for this atleast.
i need u to respond to this dude....u called it a 'just' punishment...how on earth was that just??? if that really happened...
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by high power i think he meant Allah ...
so yea :o .... nd de death penalty topic was abt something tht is decided by the govt of a country ...
relaxxxxxxxxxxxx
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this is no act out of the barriers of the freedom of expression...
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If hurting religious sentiments deserves a death penalty, M.F Hussain should have been long dead....insulted almost all hindu gods and didn't even spare the godesses..
google it and ull know
now isn't that hurting our sentiments....but we don't think abt killing ppl like him....we r more concerned abt terrorists actually mass murder....i would like it if they were burnt to death
now allah isn't killing hussain..why???
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ur asking WHY ? ? everyone has a time to die.. its not like jus because some1 did smth and they die u knw..
so yea..
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ur asking WHY ? ? everyone has a time to die.. its not like jus because some1 did smth and they die u knw..
so yea..
timing was so perfect for the danish cartoonist...no???
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ur asking WHY ? ? everyone has a time to die.. its not like jus because some1 did smth and they die u knw..
so yea..
timing was so perfect for the danish cartoonist...no???
yea maybe it was.. but then still ..
look at other ppl as well .. they r many wrong doers in this world r they ALL getting killed or w/e ...??
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did the danish cartoonist die?..
i dont think so..
anyway..i totally agree with nid404 ... y wasnt HUSSAN NOT BURNT ALIVE by a 'higher power'??
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ur asking WHY ? ? everyone has a time to die.. its not like jus because some1 did smth and they die u knw..
so yea..
timing was so perfect for the danish cartoonist...no???
yea maybe it was.. but then still ..
look at other ppl as well .. they r many wrong doers in this world r they ALL getting killed or w/e ...??
exactly that was my point...we shouldn't bother abt ppl who can do nothing but humiliate other religions and deities but care more abt inhumane acts...killing of ppl....we r the ones who suffer ultimately
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did the danish cartoonist die?..
i dont think so..
anyway..i totally agree with nid404 ... y wasnt HUSSAN NOT BURNT ALIVE by a 'higher power'??
yea okay so he didnt die.. big whoop
and yea u agree with her suit urself ... ur just sticking to these 2 ppl
u can get a whole list of bad ppl who r doing thse kina things
DID THEY DIE ??
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ur asking WHY ? ? everyone has a time to die.. its not like jus because some1 did smth and they die u knw..
so yea..
timing was so perfect for the danish cartoonist...no???
yea maybe it was.. but then still ..
look at other ppl as well .. they r many wrong doers in this world r they ALL getting killed or w/e ...??
exactly that was my point...we shouldn't bother abt ppl who can do nothing but humiliate other religions and deities but care more abt inhumane acts...killing of ppl....we r the ones who suffer ultimately
finally. . .
thtz wat i was my point..
all v r doing is jus debating ::)
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soo...
was the cartoonist wrong ?
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BLEH :P
u ppl :p its a phrase when dude321 used it ...
dunt need to take everything ap erson says so seriosuly ...
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soo...
was the cartoonist wrong ?
yeaa.. isnt it obv..
im nt taking anything seriously here ;D
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its not obv.
its the human right
freedom of expression
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i have to agree with this on u ..
but yea freedom isnt tht waaaaaaaaaay too much
by hurting ppl's religion .. tht is a v big thing u knw..
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BLEH :P
u ppl :p its a phrase when dude321 used it ...
dunt need to take everything ap erson says so seriosuly ...
oh yeah.....plz don't take the cartoonist srsly...
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BLEH :P
u ppl :p its a phrase when dude321 used it ...
dunt need to take everything ap erson says so seriosuly ...
oh yeah.....plz don't take the cartoonist srsly...
u take other ppl seriously ?? :P
so yea right now am takin no1 seriously .... haha
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BLEH :P
u ppl :p its a phrase when dude321 used it ...
dunt need to take everything ap erson says so seriosuly ...
oh yeah.....plz don't take the cartoonist srsly...
it hs been taken srsly by many....many were arrested..for planning to kill the cartoonist...
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BLEH :P
u ppl :p its a phrase when dude321 used it ...
dunt need to take everything ap erson says so seriosuly ...
oh yeah.....plz don't take the cartoonist srsly...
u take other ppl seriously ?? :P
so yea right now am takin no1 seriously .... haha
hahahaha...
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okay so
yea those who r takin it seriously i would suggest u ppl read this :)
http://www.workablepeace.org/Cartoons/fofspeech.pdf
tht goes about all the freedom nd stuff
and its expressed in both views :)
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BLEH :P
u ppl :p its a phrase when dude321 used it ...
dunt need to take everything ap erson says so seriosuly ...
oh yeah.....plz don't take the cartoonist srsly...
u take other ppl seriously ?? :P
so yea right now am takin no1 seriously .... haha
hahahaha...
;D
lol ... :D
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the cartoonist did somethign on the international level ..
which is absolute crazines...
he shud be knowing not everone is open minded... :)
u need to realsie tht too :D
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the cartoonist did somethign on the international level ..
which is absolute crazines...
he shud be knowing not everone is open minded... :)
u need to realsie tht too :D
we have too many hypocrites here.....
master, plz do sumthn abt it :P
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waaaaaaaaaayyyyy too manyy :P
one question :P
wat is the point of US arguing ?
because w/e happens here.. it will so not make a diff.. to ppl in the world
no1 will agree... some ppl r just to stubborn :D
and then we do not want a world war... ::)
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waaaaaaaaaayyyyy too manyy :P
one question :P
wat is the point of US arguing ?
because w/e happens here.. it will so not make a diff.. to ppl in the world
no1 will agree... some ppl r just to stubborn :D
and then we do not want a world war... ::)
wat did US do now?
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waaaaaaaaaayyyyy too manyy :P
one question :P
wat is the point of US arguing ?
because w/e happens here.. it will so not make a diff.. to ppl in the world
no1 will agree... some ppl r just to stubborn :D
and then we do not want a world war... ::)
??????
didn't get the latter and
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me too..
u talking abt the 2003 invasion of iraq?
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waaaaaaaaaayyyyy too manyy :P
one question :P
wat is the point of US arguing ?
because w/e happens here.. it will so not make a diff.. to ppl in the world
no1 will agree... some ppl r just to stubborn :D
and then we do not want a world war... ::)
??????
didn't get the latter and
? :S latter wha ?? did u mean end ?!?
nah im not talkin bout old wars
i was being random :)
soorry :D
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waaaaaaaaaayyyyy too manyy :P
one question :P
wat is the point of US arguing ?
because w/e happens here.. it will so not make a diff.. to ppl in the world
no1 will agree... some ppl r just to stubborn :D
and then we do not want a world war... ::)
??????
didn't get the latter and
? :S latter wha ?? did u mean end ?!?
nah im not talkin bout old wars
i was being random :)
soorry :D
great timing :D
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waaaaaaaaaayyyyy too manyy :P
one question :P
wat is the point of US arguing ?
because w/e happens here.. it will so not make a diff.. to ppl in the world
no1 will agree... some ppl r just to stubborn :D
and then we do not want a world war... ::)
wat did US do now?
am i tht hard to understand ???
i didnt mean unites states
i meant us ppl here on the forummm
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waaaaaaaaaayyyyy too manyy :P
one question :P
wat is the point of US arguing ?
because w/e happens here.. it will so not make a diff.. to ppl in the world
no1 will agree... some ppl r just to stubborn :D
and then we do not want a world war... ::)
??????
didn't get the latter and
? :S latter wha ?? did u mean end ?!?
nah im not talkin bout old wars
i was being random :)
soorry :D
great timing :D
thnk u .. :D
thought v needed 2 chill outtie :D
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hahhahahh
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hahhahahh
lool :D
so am i hard tounderstand ?? ? because if i am .. :o
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hahhahahh
lool :D
so am i hard tounderstand ?? ? because if i am .. :o
seriousness drains the hell outta me.....it becomes difficult for me to figure out if something was random or not
By the way this is so not random :P
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hahhahahh
lool :D
so am i hard tounderstand ?? ? because if i am .. :o
seriousness drains the hell outta me.....it becomes difficult for me to figure out if something was random or not
By the way this is so not random :P
i mentioned tht be4 the "hard to understand" part..
but yea because u ppl were sooo :S :S
lool
and loll
i knw this aint random :P
By the way ... do any of u like horror movies ?? :P :P :D ::)
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if they r actualy HORROR yes.
not like exorcist
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if they r actualy HORROR yes.
not like exorcist
mm.. okiez and wat would u say bout Saw any parts
i havent watched it just the trailer of one of them .. nd its sick :P
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hahhahahh
lool :D
so am i hard tounderstand ?? ? because if i am .. :o
seriousness drains the hell outta me.....it becomes difficult for me to figure out if something was random or not
By the way this is so not random :P
i mentioned tht be4 the "hard to understand" part..
but yea because u ppl were sooo :S :S
lool
and loll
i knw this aint random :P
By the way ... do any of u like horror movies ?? :P :P :D ::)
HORROR!!!!
when ppl come in later....they'll c we've screwed up this topic heavily
i just looooove debates :-* and horror :P :P :P :P
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hahhahahh
lool :D
so am i hard tounderstand ?? ? because if i am .. :o
seriousness drains the hell outta me.....it becomes difficult for me to figure out if something was random or not
By the way this is so not random :P
i mentioned tht be4 the "hard to understand" part..
but yea because u ppl were sooo :S :S
lool
and loll
i knw this aint random :P
By the way ... do any of u like horror movies ?? :P :P :D ::)
HORROR!!!!
when ppl come in later....they'll c we've screwed up this topic heavily
i just looooove debates :-* and horror :P :P :P :P
hahaha i haattee horrorr..
and debating is FUN :P :P
ahahahahah it got screwed up Thanks to me :P
ahahahahhahahahahaha
so shall v head bak to the topic or more horrror :P
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lets continue debate ...wat say?
lolzzz
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ahaha okay
v shall have a break later on :P
where were v ?
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i completed 1000 posts and didn't realize.....Thanks to the topic
we should actually get back to it....i'll complete a few hundred posts more here...haha
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MF hussain
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congratz nid ;)
and noo i gave tht link did u ppl read it ??
http://www.workablepeace.org/Cartoons/fofspeech.pdf
again.. :D
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The guy is a retard, no debate about that
Whether it being wrong, now that is a value judgement
But I do believe that the reaction was terrible. Just cause most Muslims are Middle Easterners and there is not such thing as freedom of speech over here doesnt mean it doesnt exist elsewhere. Yes, me and every Muslim is sure the guy is wrong, but do you think that by boycotting Danish (some people even boycotted the entire Scandinavia) you are making the right statement? This way, unfortunately, Muslims are just proving that they are easily swayed by the press and media propaganda. Bravo! you boycotted Danish products, sent a crushing jab to the Danish economy, but what difference does that make to the actual perpetrator? NOTHING! what can the Danish state do? they can't punish him! Freedom of speech is a part of their law now isnt it?
What SHOULD have been done was to clarify it, instead of damaging the Danish economy, why didn't anyone try to clarify Islam to the Danish people (the cartoonist in particular) and make him understand that he got the wrong ideas?
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good good....your debating skills have suddenly gotten a spark :P
I saw your name like in every debate topic
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The guy is a retard, no debate about that
Whether it being wrong, now that is a value judgement
But I do believe that the reaction was terrible. Just cause most Muslims are Middle Easterners and there is not such thing as freedom of speech over here doesnt mean it doesnt exist elsewhere. Yes, me and every Muslim is sure the guy is wrong, but do you think that by boycotting Danish (some people even boycotted the entire Scandinavia) you are making the right statement? This way, unfortunately, Muslims are just proving that they are easily swayed by the press and media propaganda. Bravo! you boycotted Danish products, sent a crushing jab to the Danish economy, but what difference does that make to the actual perpetrator? NOTHING! what can the Danish state do? they can't punish him! Freedom of speech is a part of their law now isnt it?
What SHOULD have been done was to clarify it, instead of damaging the Danish economy, why didn't anyone try to clarify Islam to the Danish people (the cartoonist in particular) and make him understand that he got the wrong ideas?
i agree with you,
just a little comment :
why do you think freedom of speech may involve making fun of another religion through the drawing of sarcastic pictures of a holy person in that religion?
i don't know whats that called, but one sure thing, it's not freedom of speech !
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good good....your debating skills have suddenly gotten a spark :P
I saw your name like in every debate topic
yea, no one else was in the forums so i decided to go through each and every single debate topic, you can see that i revived some topics that were inactive for over 120 days ;D
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hey ET, for them Danish peeps, it is, its their land, their laws, the magazine was published in there only, and even the republishing was mainly in Scandinavia where the rules are similiar, i ain't saying its correct, i am saying this is their constitution and he was just taking it to his advantage (in a very sinister and immoral manner)
and thats the case with most of the West, i am sure you watch The Simpsons, can you count the number of times they took cheap shots at Christianity? too much to count for me lol
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Live and Let Die.
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The denmark cartoonist retired.
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Live and Let Die.
you do know this is a 2008 thread right?
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He was of course, wrong to insult a religion and should've been punished to some extent. But people were also wrong by evading Danish products. This made no sense since it harms their economy and the Danish economy. And it presents an excessively 'revengeful' image of the ones who avoided Danish products.
Just my opinion. :)
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He was of course, wrong to insult a religion and should've been punished to some extent. But people were also wrong by evading Danish products. This made no sense since it harms their economy and the Danish economy. And it presents an excessively 'revengeful' image of the ones who avoided Danish products.
Just my opinion. :)
catch 22 situation th*n for muslims.?
we protest and ban danish productions,we are bad
we dont do anything ,they would think we have soften up a bit and might resort to levels Christianity suffers every second in Atheist dominated california and miami.
what should we do?
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catch 22 situation th*n for muslims.?
we protest and ban danish productions,we are bad
we dont do anything ,they would think we have soften up a bit and might resort to levels Christianity suffers every second in Atheist dominated california and miami.
what should we do?
I don't mean to say that we don't do anything. We should ofc, arrange protests in Denmark and all over the world, even in social networking websites like FB. This should be enough to ensure they don't "think we've softened up a bit".
But avoiding their products and banning Danish products is not ethical. Exports will probably be affected too if the Danish retaliate.
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I still can not believe this topic is still rolling. He insulted the purest soul that ever stepped on Earth, Muhammad (PBUH).
And when you look at what Muslims did, they attacked him, but they did NOT attack his religion, because we respect all religions no matter what their basis are.
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I don't mean to say that we don't do anything. We should ofc, arrange protests in Denmark and all over the world, even in social networking websites like FB. This should be enough to ensure they don't "think we've softened up a bit".
But avoiding their products and banning Danish products is not ethical. Exports will probably be affected too if the Danish retaliate.
It would have been worthless had it been Germany or other countries where tax to GDP ratio is high or where the relative strength of national economy is strong like France or switzerland but considering the geographical size of Denmark,the population size,the dependency ratio and dependency on exports,it would be reasonable to suggest the Ban was 91 percent effective ;).
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I don't mean to say that we don't do anything. We should ofc, arrange protests in Denmark and all over the world, even in social networking websites like FB. This should be enough to ensure they don't "think we've softened up a bit".
But avoiding their products and banning Danish products is not ethical. Exports will probably be affected too if the Danish retaliate.
There was no issue of ethics here i guess.
When they put you in jail for inciting anti semetism(spelling?) but not for provoking Muslims,what does that tell ya?
Ban of Danish products has sent a very deep message *Dont mess with us*
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Ban of Danish products has sent a very deep message *Dont mess with us*
Well, I must admit, when many muslim countries avoided Danish products, it did send them the message: *Dont mess with us*. They were invariably affected.
But, it also did damage the reputation of Muslims. When muslims around the world are charged with 'terrorism', and being 'aggressive', I don't think avoiding Danish products was a good policy.
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Well, I must admit, when many muslim countries avoided Danish products, it did send them the message: *Dont mess with us*. They were invariably affected.
But, it also did damage the reputation of Muslims. When muslims around the world are charged with 'terrorism', and being 'aggressive', I don't think avoiding Danish products was a good policy.
why should we care when someone calls us terrorist or aggressive as you say.
I admit Muslim world is in a deep crisis and are having a severe loss of identity .You shun western values,money stops flowing into ure country and if you do not muslim conservatives attack you for betraying religion.There's no possible solution for this.
In a world like this where western values and islamic values ,which are so in contrast to each other, have to come to face to face because of globalisation,you will face situations like this.
But that does not mean you forget the values on which your civilization is based upon
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why should we care when someone calls us terrorist or aggressive as you say.
I admit Muslim world is in a deep crisis and are having a severe loss of identity .You shun western values,money stops flowing into ure country and if you do not muslim conservatives attack you for betraying religion.There's no possible solution for this.
In a world like this where western values and islamic values ,which are so in contrast to each other, have to come to face to face because of globalisation,you will face situations like this.
But that does not mean you forget the values on which your civilization is based upon
We should be concerned about our reputation. After all, this presents us on an international level. Boycotting danish products for printing funny cartoons about Mohammad (PBUH) is something which damages our reputation on an international level.