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Qualification => Subject Doubts => IGCSE/ GCSE => Commerce => Topic started by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 02:26:14 pm

Title: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 02:26:14 pm
 :o guy let's discuss eco...we can take situations ..and analyze them...and clear all our doubts....well nayways my first doubt sis what are the : private and social costs and benefits and discuss conflicts of interest in relation to these
costs and benefits in the short term and long term through studies of the following issues: quoted frm syllabus...plz help ???
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Post by: theigstudent on June 01, 2009, 02:38:59 pm
even i need help on this topic????
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: MK on June 01, 2009, 03:32:33 pm
if this wud help u...
*private cost are the firms own cost arising out of a business decision.e.g rent,wages
*external cost are the cost disadvantages incurred by the society caz of a business decision.towards which no payment is made.e.g pollution
*private benefits are the firms own benefits arising out of a business decision.e.g profit
*external benefits are the adv.the society gets caz of  a business deciosion.e.g new roads..new street lyts..
social cost= PC + EC
social benefits = PB + EB

hope it helps..
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Post by: aquarian93 on June 01, 2009, 04:00:24 pm
u guys, im soooooooo nervous for tom, i cn hardly breath :( :(
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: MK on June 01, 2009, 04:04:12 pm
its critical evaluation ryt ???
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 04:06:00 pm
if this wud help u...
*private cost are the firms own cost arising out of a business decision.e.g rent,wages
*external cost are the cost disadvantages incurred by the society caz of a business decision.towards which no payment is made.e.g pollution
*private benefits are the firms own benefits arising out of a business decision.e.g profit
*external benefits are the adv.the society gets caz of  a business deciosion.e.g new roads..new street lyts..
social cost= PC + EC
social benefits = PB + EB

hope it helps....>>>>>>>>>>>>yep dude this helped thx...By the way does  services come under external benfits....and what are the possible conflicts between government aims. sum 1 plz anser this... ::)
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: MK on June 01, 2009, 04:11:21 pm
yea services do cum under benefits..
abt the govt.thing..
all i knw is tht wen externalities occur the market fails.
wat the govt does in social cost is :
fines
legalaction
legeslation
taxes
nationalisation                 
and in social benefits they
give subsidies
and less taxes...

i think conflicts wud arise frm these points
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: Name on June 01, 2009, 04:14:50 pm
yep dude this helped thx...By the way does  services come under external benfits....and what are the possible conflicts between government aims. sum 1 plz anser this... ::)

services are external benifits because they help society. eg. hospitals helps society by reducing illnesses, schools help society by reducing illiteracy

examples of conflicting aims:
aim : high employment--> increase in demand pull inflation  --> conflicts with aim of stable inflation

high employment --> higher incomes --> could be spent on imported goods --> worsen balance of trade .this conflicts with the aim of maintaining a healthy balance of trade

Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 04:15:57 pm
dude wat do u exactly mean by externalities...cn u give a brief discription...:o
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: MK on June 01, 2009, 04:19:05 pm
externalities are basically all the external things..
SB > SC  its economic use,worthwhile..
SC>SB   uneconomic, nt worthwhile...
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 04:26:17 pm
hmm..but my teacher tld that EC=XB if either is more then it's a problem ..or i think a situation such as this cnnt exist cz wen external benefits are more even external costs will be more..as more production means more benefit and causes pollution for instance isn't it..?? wat do us say???
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: Freaked12 on June 01, 2009, 04:31:35 pm
hmm..but my teacher tld that EC=XB if either is more then it's a problem ..or i think a situation such as this cnnt exist cz wen external benefits are more even external costs will be more..as more production means more benefit and causes pollution for instance isn't it..?? wat do us say???


guys be calm and use common sense..see things clearly and read the question properly..there is no such thin as large definations or calculations in p3...its all about case study..when u go to the centre...read the extract 2 or 3 times to get a clear idea what is it about...prolly the last question u will stuck up but dont worry evey1 will...try ur eternally best in small questions the 1 containing 2 or 3 or 4 marks so that 25 or 23 is atleast garunteed.which is an A..anything in 30 and u get A star.
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Post by: thukon on June 01, 2009, 04:33:43 pm
How do u calculate inflation?

U take a base year and then make a list of products and then....!!???!?
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 04:34:28 pm
well ur write...but do we gt defintions....it's mainly using brain....is there anything to mug up...or understand...like can they ask for calculation gdp....or nnp or rpi...or it's just questions abd basic answers...??
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: MK on June 01, 2009, 04:34:41 pm
yea thts ryt it'll be a problem..
govt.do take action it doesnt really happen..
yea ur thing is ryt...
((as more production means more benefit and causes pollution for instance...))
but it all depends on business decisions

anything above 30..A hmm ok...
thanx for letting me knw tht.
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: Freaked12 on June 01, 2009, 04:41:25 pm
well ur write...but do we gt defintions....it's mainly using brain....is there anything to mug up...or understand...like can they ask for calculation gdp....or nnp or rpi...or it's just questions abd basic answers...??

nope..there are hardly any calculations in eco..and they r too easy.jus see the formula and ur done...the one abt 2 or 3 or 4 marks..some are basic some are common sense like what are the harms to the society of rising exchange rate and this for3 marks..write 3 points like expensive exports,cheap imports and rising mony supply and u get 3 marks...all in all do u level best in these short type questions
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Post by: necrocraft on June 01, 2009, 04:45:04 pm
just to clarify tommorows exam the paper 3 one is formerly known as paper 6 yeah ? .Cuz some dude called 7ood in another thread said it isnt :S
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 04:48:18 pm
it's called paper 3...chek in the statement...
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: necrocraft on June 01, 2009, 04:49:07 pm
yeah i know its paper 3 .... It was called paper 6 before yeah ?
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 04:53:04 pm
ohh..yes it was...like maths paper 2 was colled paper 22!!l lol hey btwwhat are they ??? differences in living standards within countries and between countries, both developed
and developing.
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: eyedevil on June 01, 2009, 04:55:05 pm
Nice topic man.... !!!
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: aquarian93 on June 01, 2009, 05:02:42 pm
hmm..but my teacher tld that EC=XB if either is more then it's a problem ..or i think a situation such as this cnnt exist cz wen external benefits are more even external costs will be more..as more production means more benefit and causes pollution for instance isn't it..?? wat do us say???


guys be calm and use common sense..see things clearly and read the question properly..there is no such thin as large definations or calculations in p3...its all about case study..when u go to the centre...read the extract 2 or 3 times to get a clear idea what is it about...prolly the last question u will stuck up but dont worry evey1 will...try ur eternally best in small questions the 1 containing 2 or 3 or 4 marks so that 25 or 23 is atleast garunteed.which is an A..anything in 30 and u get A star.

do u think we'll get RPI or CPI? and wt is it out of?
im rlly nervous :(
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: eyedevil on June 01, 2009, 05:07:05 pm
y cnt i vote any 1..!!!! i mean give a + or -!!! cn sum 1 tell plzzz
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: eyedevil on June 01, 2009, 05:11:15 pm
yes we may gt rpi just go to google and cee hw to calculate it
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: Freaked12 on June 01, 2009, 05:31:17 pm
hmm..but my teacher tld that EC=XB if either is more then it's a problem ..or i think a situation such as this cnnt exist cz wen external benefits are more even external costs will be more..as more production means more benefit and causes pollution for instance isn't it..?? wat do us say???


guys be calm and use common sense..see things clearly and read the question properly..there is no such thin as large definations or calculations in p3...its all about case study..when u go to the centre...read the extract 2 or 3 times to get a clear idea what is it about...prolly the last question u will stuck up but dont worry evey1 will...try ur eternally best in small questions the 1 containing 2 or 3 or 4 marks so that 25 or 23 is atleast garunteed.which is an A..anything in 30 and u get A star.


do u think we'll get RPI or CPI? and wt is it out of?
im rlly nervous :(

yes we may..read the whole chapter if u feel nervous..plz dont
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 05:48:15 pm
hey guys this is site is gra8 help a lot check it out>>>>>>>>> http://www.dineshbakshi.com/economics/index.html
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: hols on June 01, 2009, 06:01:22 pm
Hey you guys can anyone help me with Q1 (d) i. in May June 2008
Here's the question paper!
http://www.freeexampapers.us/IGCSE/Economics/CIE/2008%20Jun/0455_s08_qp_6.pdf
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: Freaked12 on June 01, 2009, 06:17:40 pm
Hey you guys can anyone help me with Q1 (d) i. in May June 2008
Here's the question paper!
http://www.freeexampapers.us/IGCSE/Economics/CIE/2008%20Jun/0455_s08_qp_6.pdf


look when the government taxes the firm...the average cost of the firm rises...so the firm has to cut back the output to cover up the cost so the supply curve shifts to the left,when the govt gives subsidies to the firm,the firm has more money to increase output plus by increasing the output the firm gets more money than ever so the supply curve shifts to the right...when you hve the D and S diagrams u can explain everything
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Post by: Sweet_03 on June 01, 2009, 06:46:56 pm
Is There any tip on How to answer the Questions on paper 3 ?
I find this paper very hard
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: Conorrr on June 01, 2009, 06:48:09 pm
do u think we'll get RPI or CPI? and wt is it out of?

we'll either only get CPI, or we'll have to compare CPI and RPIX. Quite a few people have only said RPI, WE USED RPIX before 96 or wheneverr
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Post by: abdulla on June 01, 2009, 06:48:19 pm
does any body had a teacher predict the topics that are coming tomorrow ? i need to know fast please as i this not study because got distracted from other topics.
thanks    
Title: Re: eco paper 3 discussion onli!!!!!!
Post by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 07:52:32 pm
dude just stick to the syllabus!!! everything is in there..and i posted a site it's grate i have not touched my book i ma only revising frm there...i will post the site again fr u..>>> http://www.dineshbakshi.com/economics/index.html      and relax it's jst a evaluation paper..most of the things u need to think and write so chill...
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Post by: abdulla on June 01, 2009, 08:01:27 pm
dude just stick to the syllabus!!! everything is in there..and i posted a site it's grate i have not touched my book i ma only revising frm there...i will post the site again fr u..>>> http://www.dineshbakshi.com/economics/index.html      and relax it's jst a evaluation paper..most of the things u need to think and write so chill...

thanks but still lots to revise =(
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Post by: devileye on June 01, 2009, 08:09:08 pm
yep that's true but it's gud ...relax...
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Post by: Sweet_03 on June 01, 2009, 08:16:03 pm
Is There any tip on How to answer the Questions on paper 3 ?
I find this paper very hard