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Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: HUSH1994 on July 30, 2011, 03:46:06 pm
We'd be dead...without love. =]
Yeah,and we'd be dead with hatred as well :o
Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on July 30, 2011, 03:49:23 pm
Yeah,and we'd be dead with hatred as well :o

Yeah, hate kills BIG TIME. Like it really does PAIN.

I can't hate anyone or allow myself to do so because it only makes my life miserable!

Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: HUSH1994 on July 30, 2011, 03:54:07 pm
Yeah, hate kills BIG TIME. Like it really does PAIN.

I can't hate anyone or allow myself to do so because it only makes my life miserable!


If you didn't know what hatred is,then you won't know what love is.
Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on July 30, 2011, 03:58:35 pm
If you didn't know what hatred is,then you won't know what love is.

Well, I do know what hate is and that's why I said it makes my life miserable so I do not allow myself to hate anyone.

What did Shakespeare say?

"Love me or hate me, both are in my favor…If you love me, I'll always be in your heart…If you hate me, I'll always be in your mind."

When you hate..you end up wasting your life thinking of the enemies.
Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: HUSH1994 on July 30, 2011, 04:03:06 pm
Well, I do know what hate is and that's why I said it makes my life miserable so I do not allow myself to hate anyone.
I don't know how you think,but I don't think I can live without hating and loving at the same time,thats just my way of life :S

When you hate..you end up wasting your life thinking of the enemies.
I don't agree with you in that one,you don't just think of them,you think of erasing them  :-\
Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on July 30, 2011, 04:09:10 pm
You erase the people you hate from your life? You think so?

You can never erase anyone from your life. Those you met..are never gone from our memory. Hating means holding grudges. Perhaps you aren't thinking of them 24/7 but when you remember how awful they were to you you get that heart aching and hate boiling like fire inside you.

I dislike perhaps. She is ARROGANT. I don't hate her, but I dislike her arrogance.
He is selfish. I don't hate him, but I dislike his selfishness.

Those who are evil got some good inside them too. And even if they don't..I have other matters in my life and I MUST make sure not to make them one of my matters. =]

Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: HUSH1994 on July 30, 2011, 04:15:04 pm
I'm not going to lie to you and say that I hate anyone,and hating makes your whole life worse,but there comes a challenge,to divert you thinking,and its not easy at all :O
Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on July 30, 2011, 04:27:25 pm
I'm not going to lie to you and say that I hate anyone,and hating makes your whole life worse,but there comes a challenge,to divert you thinking,and its not easy at all :O


I'm not going to lie to you and tell you I'm an angel! I feel hate but that's where I try my BEST to get rid of it, LIKE not hate of a person but perhaps when I hear 'Israel' I feel hate but however I can't hate an entire race or an entire country when I don't know every single person of them. I hate what Israel is doing but I can't hate peaceful citizens because some of them are against what their own country is doing.

There were those who back stabbed me before..those who hurt me and those who made me cry a lot. Now..I don't hate them for what they did to me, in fact I thank THEM. Wallah..I thank them because they taught me the BEST lessons in this life, they were one of the main reasons that I changed and became who I am now.

It's always good to turn the negative energy into a positive one. Hating them, regretting the past and holding grudges won't do me any good and surely won't get me what I want. If I dislike someone..I try to fix them but if doesn't work out..I simply stay away and never think of them again.

@Angel, speaking about hate...
You sure hate your mouse now. :P

Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Malak on July 30, 2011, 04:31:46 pm
There were those who back stabbed me before..those who hurt me and those who made me cry a lot. Now..I don't hate them for what they did to me, in fact I thank THEM. Wallah..I thank them because they taught me the BEST lessons in this life, they were one of the main reasons that I changed and became who I am now.

It's always good to turn the negative energy into a positive one. Hating them, regretting the past and holding grudges won't do me any good and surely won't get me what I want. If I dislike someone..I try to fix them but if doesn't work out..I simply stay away and never think of them again.

@Angel, speaking about hate...
You sure hate your mouse now. :P

I TOTALLY understand what you mean by that :); It has happened to me as well =)
Exactly, you should turn the negativity into positivity. :D

Haha, yeah i do hate it ::)
Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: GossipGirl on July 30, 2011, 04:36:02 pm
Hating only worsen things for us.

I totally agree with you, Mony.  ;D
Title: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on July 30, 2011, 04:39:06 pm
I TOTALLY understand what you mean by that :); It has happened to me as well =)
Exactly, you should turn the negativity into positivity. :D

Haha, yeah i do hate it ::)

Yeah. They made me learn not to make anyone or anything in this life my priority except GOD. Everyone will leave at the end whether it was their choice or whether it wasn't but God? God never leaves.

I got the above concept, I learned the above concept because of THEM. Because of the trust they broke, the promises they never made and the lies that they made my hopes build on.

I truly thank them and now..I wish I could really tell them how much of use they were to me. Now, I don't feel slight of hate towards them at all. I swear.


@Gossip, thanks. :D

We should have a debate thread about this topic. :P
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on July 30, 2011, 04:42:48 pm
Okay, I split the topic. :P

Will move this to debates section. =]
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Malak on July 30, 2011, 05:17:33 pm
I totally agree with everything what Mony said, its exactly how I feel :D

Quote
If you didn't know what hatred is,then you won't know what love is.
True, we need to have opposites in order to realize the importance of the other but we JUST have to understand or realise what it is. We dont need to apply it or its not like such things have to exist in our lives.

About hate: We just need to know what hate is, how it affects our life, the disadvantages etc.
We dont really have to HATE anyone in order to realise what love is :D
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on July 30, 2011, 05:22:16 pm
I totally agree with everything what Mony said, its exactly how I feel :D
True, we need to have opposites in order to realize the importance of the other but we JUST have to understand or realise what it is. We dont need to apply it or its not like such things have to exist in our lives.

About hate: We just need to know what hate is, how it affects our life, the disadvantages etc.
We dont really have to HATE anyone in order to realise what love is :D


Exactly!
Just like we don't have to kill ourselves to experience what death is. ;)

But it is true, we all hated before because it's a normal feeling like any other feelings we come across, however..as we get older we must learn how to have self-control and control our own feelings. Just like those who control anger and others who control desires.

Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Malak on July 30, 2011, 05:34:12 pm
Exactly!
Just like we don't have to kill ourselves to experience what death is. ;)

But it is true, we all hated before because it's a normal feeling like any other feelings we come across, however..as we get older we must learn how to have self-control and control our own feelings. Just like those who control anger and others who control desires.


Yes, Hate is worse than anger and i think hate is somewhat the root of anger, revenge etc.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on July 31, 2011, 09:34:37 am
Yeah, hate kills BIG TIME. Like it really does PAIN.

I can't hate anyone or allow myself to do so because it only makes my life miserable!



Seconded. 8)

I am with Mony on this. (: [as always] :P
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: $tyli$h Executive on July 31, 2011, 09:35:44 am
I think it is a waste of time and energy to hate someone. But I still need to learn how NOT to hate someone and waste time.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Alpha on July 31, 2011, 06:43:06 pm

“You cannot control what happens to you, but you can control your attitude toward what happens to you, and in that, you will be mastering change rather than allowing it to master you.”


Every King knows how to rule himself.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on July 31, 2011, 08:45:01 pm
@Romeesa, soul sisters. =]

@Stylish, make it a habit. It'll take 21 days perhaps until you start getting used to it.

To stop hating, you first need to forgive those who hurt you in the past. Any energy put forth in the way of hatred, guilt, envy, etc., expressed toward people who have hurt you is wasted energy. Spending time being upset and sad gives your power away to people who have hurt you. They control your feelings like this, because when they appear in front of you..you feel anger and when they go away you feel better. It's like they got the key to your own feelings and they know very well how to put you in a bad mood. Do NOT give your power away.

People come and go in our lives many times throughout our lifetime, spending time hating someone steals your happiness and time better spent on positive things. Also, that person who was careless enough to hurt you, isn't effected whatsoever by your hostile feelings, but you are miserable.

Forgive them, then move on. Someday you will thank them for making you strong. ;)

Just remember one thing : The hate will hurt you more than them. =]

@Alpha, 'Every King knows how to rule himself', perfect saying. =]
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on July 31, 2011, 09:12:00 pm
^Well said, sis. (:

Hating others won't make you any better than them. ;)

One of my fav. quotes:
'Where there is love, there is life.' -Gandhi :D
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on July 31, 2011, 09:21:30 pm
^Well said, sis. (:

Hating others won't make you any better than them. ;)

One of my fav. quotes:
'Where there is love, there is life.' -Gandhi :D

Gandhi is a great man. I am reading a book about him and Martin Luther King. :D
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on July 31, 2011, 09:25:44 pm
Gandhi is a great man. I am reading a book about him and Martin Luther King. :D
Indeed, he is! ;D My Dad bought me a book on Gandhi and Churchill. Will be reading it soon, IA. :D
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on August 01, 2011, 07:39:26 pm
Every heart that is not aflame is no heart;
A frozen heart is nothing but a handful of clay.
O God! Give me a breast that sets ablaze,
And in that breast a heart and that heart consumed with fire.


In Islam, the concept of love is one of the most important concepts. This fact manifests itself in Islamic philosophy, theology, mysticism and ethics; indeed, in some aspects, it plays the crucial role. For example, in defining the Islamic point of view on the relation between God and Universe in general, and between God and Mankind in particular, love has the most significant and profound place. Love is so central in Islam that it is seep as "the firmest handhold of faith" and "faith (Iman) is nothing but love for the sake of God and hate for the sake of God".
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Chingoo on August 03, 2011, 12:57:50 am
I agree that hate is most harmful to the one harboring such an emotion. Negative emotions like envy, jealousy, hate, suspicion and hence any amount of grudges are like placing poison inside of your mind. However, to say that one can rid oneself of hate completely and be a loving being who loves everyone and everything...in my opinion, is a fatuous claim. Hate is the reciprocal of love and where there is love, there is hate.

The world is filled with a drastic variety of people, and we all have some principles, whether we conform to a religion or not. There will be people who do not conform to your beliefs and you learn to tolerate them, accept them as individuals who have made their choices. There will be people who work against you and your ideals, significantly harming material or abstract things significant to you or other human lives.

Can I love Hitler? No, frankly I can't. I can accept that the various theories about him being a sociopath, a schizophrenic and whatnot are true and like most psychopaths/serial killers, he's simply a sick guy who ended up doing horrible things out of his sickness, I still cannot love him because what he did to at least a couple of generations of the European and US community cannot be just ignored.

I'm not saying that one should go around tossing grenades at German people, because that's just plain stupid, but I believe in standing for your principles, defining them and protecting them. It's who I am and I can't deny it just because someone will have to look bad in my head. Hate is a very strong word and I've only used it for a few people, and never for people I know personally--because yes, it's a harmful poison. Just like war and any other aggressive state of mind or affairs. But you don't stop vouching for it simply because it can be detrimental; it serves bigger purposes and speaks for your values. At least, that's my take on hate.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 03, 2011, 01:12:56 am
I agree that hate is most harmful to the one harboring such an emotion. Negative emotions like envy, jealousy, hate, suspicion and hence any amount of grudges are like placing poison inside of your mind. However, to say that one can rid oneself of hate completely and be a loving being who loves everyone and everything...in my opinion, is a fatuous claim. Hate is the reciprocal of love and where there is love, there is hate.

The world is filled with a drastic variety of people, and we all have some principles, whether we conform to a religion or not. There will be people who do not conform to your beliefs and you learn to tolerate them, accept them as individuals who have made their choices. There will be people who work against you and your ideals, significantly harming material or abstract things significant to you or other human lives.

Can I love Hitler? No, frankly I can't. I can accept that the various theories about him being a sociopath, a schizophrenic and whatnot are true and like most psychopaths/serial killers, he's simply a sick guy who ended up doing horrible things out of his sickness, I still cannot love him because what he did to at least a couple of generations of the European and US community cannot be just ignored.

I'm not saying that one should go around tossing grenades at German people, because that's just plain stupid, but I believe in standing for your principles, defining them and protecting them. It's who I am and I can't deny it just because someone will have to look bad in my head. Hate is a very strong word and I've only used it for a few people, and never for people I know personally--because yes, it's a harmful poison. Just like war and any other aggressive state of mind or affairs. But you don't stop vouching for it simply because it can be detrimental; it serves bigger purposes and speaks for your values. At least, that's my take on hate.

What would hating Hitler bring you Ching?

He is a sick man. I neither hate nor love him. I hate what he did but he means nothing to me and he surely doesn't deserve my emotions or my feelings because he is someone I never met..someone I won't meet inshAllah.

Sometimes..I tell myself, maybe because I wasn't in the place of those who got their parents killed or their relatives killed by Hitlar I do not feel hate. I can feel their pain but surely not like they do 100%.

However, I haven't met someone who is awful so that's why perhaps I rarely ever felt hate. I treat people good so I don't expect them to ever hurt me since I always have limits with everyone in my life and if I sense that they are starting to hurt me..I either turn them good or stay away from them and ask God to be the judge.


Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 03, 2011, 01:10:43 pm
We hate because it is easy. What do you feel when you see Hitler with an outstretched arm?
Or George Bush kbgn\wuiF his speech?
Without hate the world would say yes please bugger us to all such dictators.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 03, 2011, 09:45:18 pm
We hate because it is easy. What do you feel when you see Hitler with an outstretched arm?
Or George Bush kbgn\wuiF his speech?
Without hate the world would say yes please bugger us to all such dictators.

Yes, hate is easy. I hate Hitler's acts but I don't hate Hitler himself.

Just because I don't hate many people doesn't mean I'm a naive and a weak person. I can tell the difference between the right and the wrong and if someone is doing the wrong I can always tell them to 'STOP' rather than wasting my time hating them and thinking of how to take revenge.

And you said hate is easy, not hating shows how strong person you are controlling your own emotions and feelings. Taking the difficult road as in.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 03, 2011, 10:12:20 pm
hate makes life simple. By being so reasonable you sound indecisive.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 03, 2011, 10:16:45 pm
hate makes life simple. By being so reasonable you sound indecisive.

Not working makes life simpler. Not helping makes life simpler and I'd go on forever listing how we could make our life simpler.

Indecisive..no. I have my beliefs however I still believe I have a lot more to experience, but I'm certain I'll never allow myself to ever hate and waste my energy on hating someone one day. ;)

Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 04, 2011, 08:35:04 am
read my blog. I preach hatred for the British royal family who can't go down to their local shop without ringing for a helicopter.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 04, 2011, 01:46:27 pm
read my blog. I preach hatred for the British royal family who can't go down to their local shop without ringing for a helicopter.

hahahahaha oh come onnnn...and what do you get from that?

They are rich and they have the right to enjoy their life since they got enough money! They give their lives to the country, they take important decisions so they deserve a helicopter as a source of transportation not to be late for important appointments. :P
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Chingoo on August 07, 2011, 12:01:38 am
What would hating Hitler bring you Ching?

He is a sick man. I neither hate nor love him. I hate what he did but he means nothing to me and he surely doesn't deserve my emotions or my feelings because he is someone I never met..someone I won't meet inshAllah.

Sometimes..I tell myself, maybe because I wasn't in the place of those who got their parents killed or their relatives killed by Hitlar I do not feel hate. I can feel their pain but surely not like they do 100%.

However, I haven't met someone who is awful so that's why perhaps I rarely ever felt hate. I treat people good so I don't expect them to ever hurt me since I always have limits with everyone in my life and if I sense that they are starting to hurt me..I either turn them good or stay away from them and ask God to be the judge.

You had me there :D
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 07, 2011, 11:30:28 pm
no member of the British royal family ever invented or discovered anything, never built a business from scratch, never even had to cut a jar of caviar or bottle of champers from their ample stocks while poor people like me liv on salt and pepper.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 08, 2011, 01:13:57 am
no member of the British royal family ever invented or discovered anything, never built a business from scratch, never even had to cut a jar of caviar or bottle of champers from their ample stocks while poor people like me liv on salt and pepper.


LOOOOOOL come on Sir. I'm laughing. You live on salt and pepper? :P You got your own websites mashAllah. :P

So you think by hating them...they'll become all what you stated above? =]

No, they won't.  ;)
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 08, 2011, 12:17:59 pm
I keep salt and pepper in my pocket. when I am walking in the streets and see a stray animal I take out my salt and pepper and tuck right in.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 08, 2011, 04:32:43 pm
I keep salt and pepper in my pocket. when I am walking in the streets and see a stray animal I take out my salt and pepper and tuck right in.

Keep the leftovers of food in your pocket and give them to the animals. This is what I do not to throw anything away.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 08, 2011, 07:04:38 pm
In Britain today wages are falling so fast, even teachers and policemen are having to go to soupkitchens where they can get free food.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 08, 2011, 07:23:29 pm
In Britain today wages are falling so fast, even teachers and policemen are having to go to soupkitchens where they can get free food.

That's sad. Wages are falling fast everywhere, even in Egypt the poor are getting poorer. =/
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 08, 2011, 07:30:33 pm
A bit of sacrifice is good. I hate it how people buy a new car every 5 years or go shooping for clothes that are only worn once. If we have to stop that it will be good for us.
And we have to stop throwing away food, and wasting water and many other things.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 08, 2011, 08:12:51 pm
A bit of sacrifice is good. I hate it how people buy a new car every 5 years or go shooping for clothes that are only worn once. If we have to stop that it will be good for us.
And we have to stop throwing away food, and wasting water and many other things.

Applause! +rep for the wise words.

So true...=[

At least if we are going to shop for new clothes, then let's donate the old ones which were worn once to other people.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on August 09, 2011, 06:46:29 am
A kindergarten teacher has decided to let her class play game. The teacher told each child in the class to bring along a plastic bag containing a few potatoes. Each potato will be given a name of a person that the child hates, so the number of potatoes that a child will put in his/her plastic bag will depend on the number of people he/she hates.
So when the day came, every child brought some potatoes with the name of the people he/she hated. Some had 2 potatoes; some 3 while some up to 5 potatoes. The teacher then told the children to carry with them the potatoes in the plastic bag wherever they go (even to the toilet) for 1 week.
Days after days passed by, and the children started to complain due to the unpleasant smell let out by the rotten potatoes. Besides, those having 5 potatoes also had to carry heavier bags. After 1 week, the children were relieved because the game had finally ended.
The teacher asked: “How did you feel while carrying the potatoes with you for 1 week?” The children let out their frustrations and started complaining of the trouble that they had to go through having to carry the heavy and smelly potatoes wherever they go.Then the teacher told them the hidden meaning behind the game. The teacher said:
“This is exactly the situation when you carry your hatred for somebody inside your heart. The stench of hatred will contaminate your heart and you will carry it with you wherever you go. If you cannot tolerate the smell of rotten potatoes for just 1 week, can you imagine what is it like to have the stench of hatred in your heart for your lifetime?”
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 16, 2011, 10:42:51 am
Applause! +rep for the wise words.

So true...=[

At least if we are going to shop for new clothes, then let's donate the old ones which were worn once to other people

Send me you cloths Mony. I will squeeze into them and wear them to my next court case.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 17, 2011, 02:03:04 am
@Romeesa, great story sis. =]

@Astar, LOOOOOOOL hahahaha I've got LOADS of clothes. I just donated some 2 days ago!

And I can imagine you wearing my girl's clothes to court hahahahahahaha. :P

So you're running out of clothes?  ::)
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on August 17, 2011, 08:36:22 am
@Romeesa, great story sis. =]

@Astar, LOOOOOOOL hahahaha I've got LOADS of clothes. I just donated some 2 days ago!

And I can imagine you wearing my girl's clothes to court hahahahahahaha. :P

So you're running out of clothes?  ::)

Thank you. :D

Ah, I send SO many of mine today as well. The wardrobe was gonna blast. =,=
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: '~Miya'-'Nar!~`<3 on August 20, 2011, 02:00:35 pm
People think hate is human nature, but it aint actually! Life is short, Im amazed people actually get time to hate! lol
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: HUSH1994 on August 21, 2011, 12:27:57 pm
So you never experienced hatred in your whole life,impossible  ???
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 23, 2011, 10:48:00 am
When you look at people wanting freedom being shot, don't you feel hate?
When you are young your whole life is waste of you can find nothing better to do that wait on a street corner while corrupt dictators put your money into their private account and deprive you of education.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 24, 2011, 10:30:41 am
Hate towards an act or a characteristic but not really real hate towards a person in specific, because the corruption that is happening in every country is shared among everyone else and everyone is RESPONSIBLE for fixing it, not just the rulers. 
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 24, 2011, 11:48:43 pm
Maybe we are letting our leaders get away with what they do to us. We should put a stop to them all.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on August 25, 2011, 11:06:52 pm
Maybe we are letting our leaders get away with what they do to us. We should put a stop to them all.

Exactly, we must put a stop, BUT not by hate...for hate is an enemy, even to the person who practices it.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on August 28, 2011, 06:35:50 am
Everyone needs to listen to this:

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Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 29, 2011, 11:28:23 pm
Watched that video. I was disapointed it wasn't a rant againstg. somethin
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on August 30, 2011, 07:08:28 am
Our conditions will not change until we change what is within ourselves.

-Zain Bhikha
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on August 30, 2011, 10:51:53 pm
Our conditions will not change until we change what is within ourselves.

We can't stop to become better people before we start changing things. That would be to demand the worst criminals reform themselves.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Saladin on September 03, 2011, 10:36:24 pm
Hatred and love are both emotions and both are useful at times.

If you hate the things that are bad, such as vices and injustice then you can use that ability to take action against it.

If you love things that are good, then thats great! :)

But if you hate something for no good reason, then you are wasting your time. Go do something useful.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: MiniLuv on September 04, 2011, 05:16:47 am
Hate is from a disagreement of opinions. It is only natural to form opinions, so hate is natural.

If people haven't hated anyone in their lives, which I doubt, it means they've been stepped upon, manipulated, kicked around the place. They don't have an opinion or they don't choose to voice it.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on September 04, 2011, 08:05:03 pm
hate is natural.
What do children feel first - love or hate?
Hate of course. They hate other children, especially brothers and sisters.
They don't love their parents. They only need them. Source of milk and nappies.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on September 05, 2011, 10:52:46 am
hate is natural.
What do children feel first - love or hate?
Hate of course. They hate other children, especially brothers and sisters.
They don't love their parents. They only need them. Source of milk and nappies.

looooooooooooooool hahahahahahahahaa was that you when you were a child? :P

I'm just sitting with my baby cousin, he is 1 year old..I doubt he hates me. He keeps coming after me where ever I ago. :O
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on September 05, 2011, 10:51:06 pm
I was not a nice child. I drove my sister nuts. She one poured boiling water over my neck. She has spent 40 years suffering for it.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on September 06, 2011, 05:00:39 am
I was not a nice child. I drove my sister nuts. She one poured boiling water over my neck. She has spent 40 years suffering for it.

I'm sure it was an accident. =X

Oh come Sir, you're showing me you're a very violent person, :P ::) when in reality you spend most of your time making websites to help students for free. Isn't that considered love? =]
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on September 06, 2011, 07:19:53 am
It was not an accident cos she had to hold me down to do it. I come from a feral family I am afraid. We were 10 children at war with each other.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: ........ on September 08, 2011, 04:48:51 am
We hate because God made us that way.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on September 08, 2011, 12:05:24 pm
We hate because God made us that way.

So now we blame it on God.

If I have the power to kill, I go on killing ?
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on September 08, 2011, 01:09:36 pm

If I have the power to kill, I go on killing

Some do.
If there were no pain, we wouldn't feel pleasure.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on September 08, 2011, 01:39:25 pm
If I have the power to kill, I go on killing

Some do.
If there were no pain, we wouldn't feel pleasure.

And then? Is it because God gave us such power we go tell the police such excuse? Not really.

People who kill are called 'criminal's and those who take 'hate' as a hobby become everyone's enemy.

Very true; no pain, no gain. Hate of an action is permitted but hating people for no reason is a wastage of energy.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on September 09, 2011, 08:13:09 am
Of course people who commit crime must suffer. Without crime there would be no crime novels, Shakespeare, film thrillers or police dramas. If you like these things you have to live with a little bit of crime.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: ........ on September 12, 2011, 12:26:26 am
So now we blame it on God.

If I have the power to kill, I go on killing ?

I was answering the question. We hate because God instilled hate in us. It comes natural. You only have to pick up books like Old Testament and see how God hates the wrong doers.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: The Golden Girl =D on September 12, 2011, 05:32:44 pm
Okay Now that my friend is Wrong.

God doesn't 'Hate' Wrong doers ,my Proof is he doesn't kill them immediately. He gives them LOADS of time to repent. Where did you hear that God Hates Wrong doers,ha ?

Not going to Comment any further.

Beace ;D
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on September 14, 2011, 11:35:25 am
God hates?
An example for us to follow.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: ........ on September 15, 2011, 05:08:11 am
Only a being full of hate can destroy a whole community. God is no exception. No harm in accepting it. What do you mean he gives them chances to repent? God can make them repent if he wanted to that's why he is GOD and not some mortal.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on September 24, 2011, 07:24:19 pm
Can't help feeling that God disses us all whichever god he is if he can't boogie and argue his case to kill us while we are supposed to worship him.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: ........ on September 25, 2011, 04:01:13 am
Can't help feeling that God disses us all whichever god he is if he can't boogie and argue his case to kill us while we are supposed to worship him.

^ pwned. Beautiful reply. I wonder though why didn't this reply get reported.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on September 26, 2011, 03:43:45 pm
If it were I wouldn't complain.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on October 16, 2011, 06:37:51 pm
I'm being confused who's the atheist here, Astar or 'DUMB economist'.

So who was created first the chicken or the egg? A question every atheist can't ever get a proper reply to and what's even more appealing that science itself proves the existence of God since the earth is NOT eternal.

But I guess this is not what the argument is about. Just that I found a post which didn't make much sense to me I thought of replying to it.

Back to what the thread it about : HATE.

Everyone hates, but only the wise would turn the negative energy of hate into something beneficial and useful. A dumb person would spend his energy on others by hating them. Very dumb indeed.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: ........ on October 16, 2011, 08:18:28 pm
I'm being confused who's the atheist here, Astar or 'DUMB economist'.

So who was created first the chicken or the egg? A question every atheist can't ever get a proper reply to and what's even more appealing that science itself proves the existence of God since the earth is NOT eternal.

But I guess this is not what the argument is about. Just that I found a post which didn't make much sense to me I thought of replying to it.

Back to what the thread it about : HATE.

Everyone hates, but only the wise would turn the negative energy of hate into something beneficial and useful. A dumb person would spend his energy on others by hating them. Very dumb indeed.
I am not the atheist. Bird evolved from another kind of birds from the Jurassic era according to a certain source. Mutation in other words. God knows what happened during the transition period. If there was a meteorite explosion then perhaps animals would have evolved to a species that would survive the radiation effects. Isn't this what Quran is all about. The verses in Quran are a testament to the evolutionary way God has created everything.
A wise person will take full advantage of what ever emotions he has. You can be a hateful person and yet still accomplish many things. Case in point, Alexander who had a severe hate of Persians which eventually made him a king of Macedonia. Just saying
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on October 16, 2011, 10:10:51 pm
I am an atheist/ I am trying to do as much good as I can though, just in case.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: ........ on October 17, 2011, 12:20:13 am
I am an atheist/ I am trying to do as much good as I can though, just in case.
Still going to hell,buddy. Monotheistic religions are pretty unforgiving on atheism.

So which hell do you prefer?
Jewish one ? Islamic, or Christian  ;D.
 
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on October 17, 2011, 07:34:03 am
If I have to go to bell I hope they have the internet there.
Whichever bell I go to, I will rally support for an atheist hell where we all live in denial.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: minicooper on October 19, 2011, 07:39:10 am
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I will rally support for an atheist hell where we all live in denial

Haha very funny...  : D 

 Don't know if there even is a Jewish hell. Maybe it's not a 'place' in Judaism. Maybe just the opposite of 'the world to come'. Maybe you just stay dead if you don't make it.

Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on October 19, 2011, 10:02:12 am
Dead would be the worst. Maybe religious people should say you will be dead forever and not that you will go to hell.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: minicooper on October 19, 2011, 11:13:29 am
Some religious people do say that.

They don't just say what sounds the worst, some say what they genuinely believe.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on October 19, 2011, 04:56:59 pm
Maybe then, hell is to believe in nothing.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Amelia on October 20, 2011, 11:21:39 am
I am an atheist/ I am trying to do as much good as I can though, just in case.

And you will be repaid in kind. A life of peace and good friends. The 'life after death' is a completely different matter.

Coming back to the topic, Hate is a natural feeling in us. Intense dislike to something cannot be suppressed. If there was no hatred, we wouldn't know the meaning of love.

Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on October 20, 2011, 05:50:55 pm
Hate is a natural feeling in us. Intense dislike to something cannot be suppressed. If there was no hatred, we wouldn't know the meaning of love.
Well said.  :)
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: silvercameron on October 20, 2011, 08:39:40 pm
when you have suffered and been held in misery terrible at the hands of other people,hate is something that develops in the persons heart.when you experience something like that only then will you learn how hate cannot be ignored and its not an emotion that can be suppressed easily.i have been through this,and maybe unintentionally or delibrately,i cant let go of hate ,because maybe thats what helps me face the person and bear the pain,and once it is gone,i wil be forced to deal with pain.
If you dont know hate,you dont know to what depth you can love,what love is.when you've been through hate,you love your loved ones even more.
Hate is a completely natural feeling,and it can stay even when you have forgiven the person,because then you dont want anything to do or to say to them.

Hate may subside and eventually die because time takes away pain,but not for all.and the least you could say when you hate is,if you dont hate them you dont love them either.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Asante on October 22, 2011, 11:27:44 am
 Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? 
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on October 23, 2011, 07:52:46 pm
Even the most generous God could not prevent all the evil people do to each other.
What we need is collective self knowledge, so that we know the evil we are capable of, and are better able to avoid it.
As for God, any God would allow us this, if He were just.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Saladin on October 24, 2011, 09:42:57 pm
There is always a yin to a yang. There is love, and there is hate.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Romeesa-Chan on October 24, 2011, 10:00:04 pm
^Replace the hate with love! :D
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on October 25, 2011, 12:35:18 pm
That's an idea. Spend all day in bookshops and library crossing out all occurrences of the word hate and replacing them with love, all occurrences of the word war and replacing them with peace etc.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: minicooper on October 26, 2011, 09:00:47 am
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^Replace the hate with love!

What she means is not 'ignore the hate'. I think she means combat the hate, i.e. do something about it. :)
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Shoshou..Mony on October 28, 2011, 02:32:10 am
Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them? - Abraham Lincoln

One of the GREATEST and best quotes ever!

Speaking about turning the negative energy into a positive one, makes a person win a lot!
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: astarmathsandphysics on October 28, 2011, 07:46:16 am
Hate is a bit like disgust. Disgust makes us avoid things with germs in and hate makes us avoid people who harm us. In that sense hate is healthy.
Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Rvel Zahid on April 19, 2012, 12:16:51 am
hatred is a part of life. but anything in excess or out of limits can be harmful for the peace of mind and for the society. some guys deserve to receive hatred. you mostly hate when you don't get what you expect from others. somebody cheats you, or you get to know the hypocracy of someone. when you don't get your right then hatred steps in. sometimes people hate due to their personal likings and disliking which might not be rational, logical and immoral. simply hating unnecessarily is the most lame thing one could do to waste time.

i think it really takes a big heart to forgive and let go things which develop sheer hatred inside you. a rethink and reassess over issues of life might help to overcome these kind of extreme emotions. if you know that you were right and it wasn't your fault then you shouldn't hate someone. life is brief so better invest time on things which matters most to you. better spend time helping someone or discovering about different areas of life.

sometimes revenge is sweet so watching for the  suitable time and doing your catharsis on those who did wrong may help.

to be continued...:D

Title: Re: Hate? Do we have to hate because we are humans?
Post by: Amelia on April 27, 2012, 04:35:10 pm
Hate what God hates, Love what pleases Him. If you want peace, that is.

If you don't know what He likes or dislikes, then I pity you.