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Title: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: lhl_anecar on October 16, 2010, 06:26:18 pm
Can someone please kindly help me solve these questions

1. state the standard identity relating cos and sin arising from Pythagoras Theorem
    sec^2(x) + cosec^2(x) = sec^2(x) x cosec^2(x)

I have no idea what the question wants.

and this question

2. ln x + ln(1-x)-2ln(1+x)

It looks so simple but i just cant seem to get it right.. help :(
 
3. 5 x (1.5)^a = 100

how do i get a?

4. find the deriavative of the following

a) y=x^5e^x + 3xlnx

b. R=(e^t+1)(t-ln t)

y=(x^5)(e^x) + 3xlnx    how do i solve this??
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: Freaked12 on October 16, 2010, 09:07:56 pm
what do you have to do
 simplify ?
 or equate ?

if we simplify
its coming
 ln[ (x-x*) / (1+x)* ]
 x* means x squared

and if we equate

 then you remove the ln
 by making the other side the power of e
 and equation it to the thing iside the ln bracket
 that will make a quadratic equation in x



Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: Freaked12 on October 16, 2010, 09:18:03 pm
just remember
if lnx - lnx
then its equal to ln [ x/x ]
and if lnx + lnx then it equals ln [x multiplied by x ]
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: ashish on October 17, 2010, 02:36:13 am
Can someone please kindly help me solve these questions

1. state the standard identity relating cos and sin arising from Pythagoras Theorem
    sec^2(x) + cosec^2(x) = sec^2(x) x cosec^2(x)

I have no idea what the question wants.



the equation is
cosx2 + sinx2 = 1

for the second one i have to prove ?

secx is 1/cosx  and cosecx is 1/sinx

from left hand side

sec2x + cosec2x = 1/cos2x + 1/sin2x
         expressing as a single fraction
 
                                                      =(sin2x + cos2x)/ cos2x sin2x
                                                       = 1/sin2x   *   1/cos2x

                                                        = cosec2x  *  sec2x
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: ashish on October 17, 2010, 02:47:12 am
Can someone please kindly help me solve these questions



It looks so simple but i just cant seem to get it right.. help :(
 
3. 5 x (1.5)^a = 100

how do i get a?



3.5 * (1.5)a =100
          1.5a= 100/3.5
         taking ln on both side
         ln1.5a= ln(100/3.5)
                  power becomes multiplier (one property of log)
                  a=(ln(100/3.5))/ln1.5
                   a =8.268
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: ashish on October 17, 2010, 05:36:11 am
Can someone please kindly help me solve these questions



4. find the deriavative of the following

a) y=x^5e^x + 3xlnx

b. R(e^t+1)(t-ln t)

4.a
let do it part by part

y=X5ex

dy/dx = X5ex-1 *5ex


second part using quotient rule

Udv/dx + Vdu/dx
= 3x*(1/x) + 3lnx
=3+3lnx

add these two

5exX5ex-1 + 3 + 3lnx

i just hope i didn't do any mistake with superscript 
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: ashish on October 17, 2010, 06:08:40 am
for 4b i think you missed something  ???
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: lhl_anecar on October 18, 2010, 12:19:00 am
thanks for the help!! appreciate it loads.. it's really kind of you guys to help me out.
i just have one last question that i am still unsure about and hope u guys can help me out
 which is

using the product rule to find the derivatives of the following..

a)  x^2[?x + (1/?x)]


thanks again!!
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: lhl_anecar on October 18, 2010, 12:22:27 am
for 4b i think you missed something  ???

R=(e^t+1)(t-lnt)  

i missed out the = sign, sorry about that,i just don't seem to get how to differentiate ln. please help. thanks!!! :)

Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: ashish on October 19, 2010, 02:34:36 am
oops sorry hey i have to go to school for exams ,, :-\  when i will do it when i will be back or maybe someone here will do it in the mean time  ::)
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: Deadly_king on October 19, 2010, 06:43:54 am
thanks for the help!! appreciate it loads.. it's really kind of you guys to help me out.
i just have one last question that i am still unsure about and hope u guys can help me out
 which is

using the product rule to find the derivatives of the following..

a)  x^2[?x + (1/?x)]


thanks again!!

First you need to expand the brackets and replace square roots by power 1/2.

Let y = x2(x1/2 + 1/x1/2)

Since they all have the same base(x), multiplication implies addition of powers while division implies subtraction of powers ;)

y = x(2+1/2) + x(2-1/2) ----> y = x5/2 + x3/2

From here it's easy to differentiate : dy/dx = 5/2 x3/2 + 3/2 x1/2

The required solution can be simplifies as (5x3/2 + 3x1/2)/2

Hope it helps :)
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: Deadly_king on October 19, 2010, 06:57:31 am
R=(e^t+1)(t-lnt)  

i missed out the = sign, sorry about that,i just don't seem to get how to differentiate ln. please help. thanks!!! :)


Is it R = (e(t+1))(t - lnt) or R = (et + 1)(t - lnt) ???
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: lhl_anecar on October 19, 2010, 07:54:42 am
Is it R = (e(t+1))(t - lnt) or R = (et + 1)(t - lnt) ???

R = (et + 1)(t - lnt) it is this one..  ;D sorry about the typing error. thanks!!!
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: Freaked12 on October 19, 2010, 08:37:13 am
well we can use the product rule

u = e^t + 1
u' = e^t

v = t - ln t
v' = 1 - 1/t

dR/dt = u'v + uv'
= e^t (t - ln t) + (e^t +1).(1-1/t)

Tell me if this is wrong.
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: lhl_anecar on October 21, 2010, 01:15:09 am
y=(x^5)(e^x) + 3xlnx

how do i solve this?? i made a mistake typing the previous question... my bad, made the whole question more difficult..
someone..please help me out, again.. thanks!! thank you very very much......
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: lhl_anecar on October 21, 2010, 01:18:32 am
once again, thanks for all u guys who had helped me out, couldnt have done it without ur help..
i just need to clarify this..

y=x^5e^x + 3xlnx

how do i differentiate lnx? and how do i do the whole thing with product rule??
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: ashish on October 21, 2010, 04:52:52 am
once again, thanks for all u guys who had helped me out, couldnt have done it without ur help..
i just need to clarify this..

y=x^5e^x + 3xlnx

how do i differentiate lnx? and how do i do the whole thing with product rule??

d(lnx)/dx is 1/x *1
                                             =1/x

the one is the differential of x

let take another example
d(ln5x)/dx]  = (1/5x)*5
                                       = 1/x

in general d(lnf(x)) /dx  is (1/f(x)) * d(fx)/dx


PRODUCT rule is use when you have two products ..

for example

Xlnx is a product

take one term as u and the other as v
u=X
du/dx = 1

v= lnx
dv/dx= 1/x


then use this formula
dy/dx = Udv/dx + Vdu/dx
                                       = x(1/x) + (lnx)*1
                                       =1+lnx

y=x5ex + 3xlnx


y=x5ex
note: there is no product here so no product rule

dy/dx= 5exX5ex-1--------------------1

3xlnx is a product
take u as 3x
du/dx = 3

take v as lnx
dv/dx=(1/x)*1
                                      = 1/x

now us the formula
dy/dx = Udv/dx + Vdu/dx
                                        = (3x)*(1/x) +(lnx)*3
                                        = 3+3lnx---------------2
now as these two


5exX5ex-1+ 3+3lnx
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: Deadly_king on October 21, 2010, 05:34:38 am
Hey buddy........I think the question is as follows:

y = x5ex + 3xln x

Differentiation of ln x is always equal to 1/x.

You need to do this question step by step. Firstly, using the product rule differentiate x5ex.

Then, using the product rule again, differentiate 3xln x.

Add the two results you obtain ;)

By the way nice try ashish :D
+rep
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: ashish on October 21, 2010, 05:50:30 am
Hey buddy........I think the question is as follows:

y = x5ex + 3xln x

Differentiation of ln x is always equal to 1/x.

You need to do this question step by step. Firstly, using the product rule differentiate x5ex.

Then, using the product rule again, differentiate 3xln x.

Add the two results you obtain ;)

By the way nice try ashish :D
+rep

ok ok then the whole question changes :D
and thanks   ;D
Title: Re: urgent:trigonometric equation help and a few other questions
Post by: Deadly_king on October 21, 2010, 06:04:58 am
ok ok then the whole question changes :D
and thanks   ;D

Yupz :D

Anytime ;)