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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: Alpha on November 01, 2010, 12:37:26 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyXBdpLWn4E
After watching this, I don't think I need to elaborate more.
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Generalization much.
Afghan culture is repressive like this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyXBdpLWn4E
After watching this, I don't think I need to elaborate more.
That is sad.
It's Afghanistan... not the same everywhere though.
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Outrageous!! >:(
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W0W............i was shocked when I saw this :-[
It really makes you angry when you see things like this happen >:(
Nevertheless, SpongeBob is right. It's an exception which does not happen daily everywhere across the globe.
About equality of women, I personally don't think women would ever equal men. Don't mind, but this is a truth which we cannot omit.
Yet much progress has taken place so that women have their rights respected and I believe this is highly encouraging for every single woman on Earth. ;)
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W0W............i was shocked when I saw this :-[
It really makes you angry when you see things like this happen >:(
Nevertheless, SpongeBob is right. It's an exception which does not happen daily everywhere across the globe.
About equality of women, I personally don't think women would ever equal men. Don't mind, but this is a truth which we cannot omit.
Yet much progress has taken place so that women have their rights respected and I believe this is highly encouraging for every single women on Earth. ;)
Yup, very encouraging, king! ;)
And about "equality", its obvious. women excel in everything they do. :P And in some places women are more respected then men. ;D
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Yup, very encouraging, king! ;)
And about "equality", its obvious. women excel in everything they do. :P And in some places women are more respected then men. ;D
Hehe............you can take it that way. ;D
Whether men or women are better, I won't say anything about it. :P
But what am sure, is that women were, are and will never be equal to men. ;)
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Dead king, don't be rude to women! :P
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No, don't stereotype. It's not only about Afghanistan. Women suffer in EVERY part of the world, be it in whatever form.
I've read about Saudi, Paki, African, even American women who face as disastrous consequences as this one. This phenomenon happens in all 5 continents.
The only difference is that New York Times made a fuss about this situation because it happened in Afghanistan and because it is in line with America's battle against radical Islam, while things that happen in associate countries are kept stuffed under the pillow.
It's an exception? Aren't there too many exceptions in today's world?
Even I don't believe equality can ever prevail. But inequality isn't parallel to the violation of human rights.
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Media hype? Not really. There have been cases of sexual/physical abuse in places other than the Middle East and I am much aware of it. Like the Fritzl case if you remember?
In 2005 % of women abused in America and Europe was less then about 15 % (avg) whereas in Asia and Middle East it was about 40 % (avg)
I tried to look up for the latest figures but I couldn't find it. You see there's a large difference in the 2 figures.Women(on average) are better off in the developed nations.
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The only difference is that New York Times made a fuss about this situation because it happened in Afghanistan and because it is in line with America's battle against radical Islam, while things that happen in associate countries are kept stuffed under the pillow.
I dont see how blowing up an issue like this is a bad thing.
Are you suggesting that America should shutup about such instances of abuse ? If they were to keep quiet you would accuse them of not giving a damn for the people of Afghanistan.
Additionally, the services and support given to people in Developed 'associate' nations (as you termed) it are far better and greater than those in Afghanistan.
Afghanis cant rely on their own Police force for protection let alone enforcement of law.
Lastly, who are these 'associate' nations ? Who do you accuse of sweeping things under the carpet ? Canada ? France ?
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Media hype? Not really. There have been cases of sexual/physical abuse in places other than the Middle East and I am much aware of it. Like the Fritzl case if you remember?
In 2005 % of women abused in America and Europe was less then about 15 % (avg) whereas in Asia and Middle East it was about 40 % (avg)
I tried to look up for the latest figures but I couldn't find it. You see there's a large difference in the 2 figures.Women(on average) are better off in the developed nations.
What's the point of giving percentages if we know very well how it's easy to 'hide' these occurrences?
I dont see how blowing up an issue like this is a bad thing.
Are you suggesting that America should shutup about such instances of abuse ? If they were to keep quiet you would accuse them of not giving a damn for the people of Afghanistan.
Additionally, the services and support given to people in Developed 'associate' nations (as you termed) it are far better and greater than those in Afghanistan.
Afghanis cant rely on their own Police force for protection let alone enforcement of law.
Lastly, who are these 'associate' nations ? Who do you accuse of sweeping things under the carpet ? Canada ? France ?
Blowing up an issue isn't bad, NOT blowing up ALL issues is bad.
Should America throw dirt on selective countries only? And what about others? Isn't the supposed to be free press be democratic for everyone, equally? Aren't they stealthily creating stereotypes and prejudices?
Arabia saw worse. Aisha had her nose and ears affected, the Saudis were attacked directly on their genitals. And NO ONE dared reveal those cases, unless the, now Queen, herself decided to remove the veil, that also, secretly and by playing with her own life.
I'm not going to mention countries. We are not having a debate about nations, but of women, all around the world.
Just mentioned that point to make it clear that this is a worldwide phenomenon, and not of few nations only.
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What's the point of giving percentages if we know very well how it's easy to 'hide' these occurrences?
How much can one hide? See the difference in % It's a big margin.
I've traveled and observed.
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Alpha, I doubt you are naiive enough to actually believe it is the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT who is telling the NY Times what to report on.
When you refer to America, what entity do you refer to ? The government ? The people ?
Because it is FREE PRESS, the NY Times has the right to report what it wants as it see fits. Forcing them to report on all instances of abuse against women is not considered FREE PRESS.
I dont disagree with the fact that women are abused all around the world. My argument is that you cannot claim that the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT or its PEOPLE are responsible for creating STEREOTYPES.
Because they arent. They are stating a fact that women in Afghanistan are mutilated because of Taliban rulers who mould the teachings of Islam to strike fear into the hearts of Afghani women.
Rather than starting a blame game with America being the perennial scape goat you/we should be supporting the American troops who give their lives each day to free the Afghani people from tyranny.
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Blowing up an issue isn't bad, NOT blowing up ALL issues is bad.
Should America throw dirt on selective countries only? And what about others? Isn't the supposed to be free press be democratic for everyone, equally? Aren't they stealthily creating stereotypes and prejudices?
Arabia saw worse. Aisha had her nose and ears affected, the Saudis were attacked directly on their genitals. And NO ONE dared reveal those cases, unless the, now Queen, herself decided to remove the veil, that also, secretly and by playing with her own life.
I'm not going to mention countries. We are not having a debate about nations, but of women, all around the world.
Just mentioned that point to make it clear that this is a worldwide phenomenon, and not of few nations only.
Why do you have this notion of America being an evil nation? What makes you think it's only selective countries that media talks about? Are you not aware of similar cases in other nations?
A lot many cases are suppressed in Saudi. I read this book called Princess. Shocking.
"NO ONE dared reveal those cases" - If the rule is rigid, how is media to gain access? Monarchy is not good.
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Alpha, I doubt you are naiive enough to actually believe it is the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT who is telling the NY Times what to report on.
When it comes to Saudi Arabia though, it's the monarch that controls local media.
You don't want to be butchered in public for accusing the prince of raping. Hence NO ONE dares.
When BBC or CNN brings something out, you still have problems. What's the issue?
Mayada:Daughter of Iraq(banned in Iraq), Princess(banned in U.A.E and Saudi), Not without my daughter(banned in Iran). Any reasons why?
@Alpha- Can you mention the name of the American author? I'd like to see if her book is banned in the States.
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How much can one hide? See the difference in % It's a big margin.
I've traveled and observed.
How much is subjective. People can hide a lot, just like they can reveal a lot too.
I don't think you went into the households of people now. :P
Why do you have this notion of America being an evil nation? What makes you think it's only selective countries that media talks about? Are you not aware of similar cases in other nations?
A lot many cases are suppressed in Saudi. I read this book called Princess. Shocking.
"NO ONE dared reveal those cases" - If the rule is rigid, how is media to gain access? Monarchy is not good.
Your first question, replace "America" by "Afghanistan" there. Of course, I do not support the Talibans. But Afghans= Talibans isn't an equation that holds.
It's The Arabian Daughters. ::)
You just remembered the Queen, yeah. ;)
Where the rule is rigid, media can bring a change.
Alpha, I doubt you are naiive enough to actually believe it is the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT who is telling the NY Times what to report on.
When you refer to America, what entity do you refer to ? The government ? The people ?
I doubt NY Times is naive enough to go against its own government's policies.
Because it is FREE PRESS, the NY Times has the right to report what it wants as it see fits. Forcing them to report on all instances of abuse against women is not considered FREE PRESS.
What? And what about readers who have their psychology and critical analysis affected?
I dont disagree with the fact that women are abused all around the world. My argument is that you cannot claim that the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT or its PEOPLE are responsible for creating STEREOTYPES.
Because they arent. They are stating a fact that women in Afghanistan are mutilated because of Taliban rulers who mould the teachings of Islam to strike fear into the hearts of Afghani women.
Dude, now this is naive to think only America does that. If you say I blamed Am, then others blamed Afghanistan first. I merely retaliated.
Rather than starting a blame game with America being the perennial scape goat you/we should be supporting the American troops who give their lives each day to free the Afghani people from tyranny.
I think it's better we don't start the blame game with religion.
I did not set out to make of this thread a political or social battlefield. Let's talk only about women, and forget where they come from.
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When it comes to Saudi Arabia though, it's the monarch that controls local media.
You don't want to be butchered in public for accusing the prince of raping. Hence NO ONE dares.
When BBC or CNN brings something out, you still have problems. What's the issue?
Mayada:Daughter of Iraq(banned in Iraq), Princess(banned in U.A.E and Saudi), Not without my daughter(banned in Iran). Any reasons why?
@Alpha- Can you mention the name of the American author? I'd like to see if her book is banned in the States.
Oy, stop with that.
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The media is an autonomous entity unconnected to the government.
The NY Times actively criticises the government for its expenditure into the Iraq War.
SO where's the bias/prejudice you describe ?
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The media is an autonomous entity unconnected to the government.
The NY Times actively criticises the government for its expenditure into the Iraq War.
SO where's the bias/prejudice you describe ?
Will you stop or should I remove this thread?
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Will you stop or should I remove this thread?
Woah, woah. Just a misunderstanding. I have reason for posting that comment.
You see, I was looking through that math question that you explained but I had already typed my above comment for this thread, but not posted it.
So I just clicked post without noticing the new replies that had come before; I didnt bother to look.
Then I noticed you wanted to draw the line when I started reading any previous posts that came before mine.
So I apologise. I didnt mean to be stubborn or arrogant - if thats how I came across.
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Woah, woah. Just a misunderstanding. I have reason for posting that comment.
You see, I was looking through that math question that you explained but I had already typed my above comment for this thread, but not posted it.
So I just clicked post without noticing the new replies that had come before; I didnt bother to look.
Then I noticed you wanted to draw the line when I started reading any previous posts that came before mine.
So I apologise. I didnt mean to be stubborn or arrogant - if thats how I came across.
Nah, it's fine Lion. :)
I'm cool. :P
But we are just going to spare nations and religion.
If Ari Ben Nari has things to say about the 'naris', then go forward. ;)
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Nah, it's fine Lion. :)
I'm cool. :P
But we are just going to spare nations and religion.
If Ari Ben Nari has things to say about the 'naris', then go forward. ;)
Unfortunately, its time for me to take a break from all this.
My head pains and I am dead tired. See ya tomorrow ;)
Good Bye !! ;D
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Unfortunately, its time for me to take a break from all this.
My head pains and I am dead tired. See ya tomorrow ;)
Good Bye !! ;D
LOL, don't die with pain. ::)
See you. ;)
Take Care & Good Night. :)
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How much is subjective. People can hide a lot, just like they can reveal a lot too.
I don't think you went into the households of people now. :P
I wonder why you find it difficult to believe.
I've stayed with French,German, Swiss, American,Indian, and Arab families. I've watched them eat, talk, sleep and interact and I've seen the differences. So I guess that clears it :)
Your first question, replace "America" by "Afghanistan" there. Of course, I do not support the Talibans. But Afghans= Talibans isn't an equation that holds.
It's The Arabian Daughters. ::)
Where the rule is rigid, media can bring a change.
Who ever said that?
Jean Sasson's Princess. Daughters of Arabia is written by the same author though. Haven't gotten a chance to read it.
Local media should be the first to report such cases. It's difficult to get to things for people from the outside.
I doubt NY Times is naive enough to go against its own government's policies.
What? And what about readers who have their psychology and critical analysis affected?
Dude, now this is naive to think only America does that. If you say I blamed Am, then others blamed Afghanistan first. I merely retaliated.
I think it's better we don't start the blame game with religion.
I did not set out to make of this thread a political or social battlefield. Let's talk only about women, and forget where they come from
Who's talking about religion?
You are generalizing. Women may not be equal to men but they are certainly doing better in some places than others. It matters where you come from. Can't drop that. ;)
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Oy, stop with that.
Woopsy. ::)
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I wonder why you find it difficult to believe.
I've stayed with French,German, Swiss, American,Indian, and Arab families. I've watched them eat, talk, sleep and interact and I've seen the differences. So I guess that clears it :)
Who ever said that?
Jean Sasson's Princess. Daughters of Arabia is written by the same author though. Haven't gotten a chance to read it.
Local media should be the first to report such cases. It's difficult to get to things for people from the outside.
Who's talking about religion?
You are generalizing. Women may not be equal to men but they are certainly doing better in some places than others. It matters where you come from. Can't drop that. ;)
Dude, what should I do with you now? :P
I'm not replying to any of the above.
The period has been put.
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I didn't notice the post above ::) You're the moderator, you can end it when you want to :)
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I didn't notice the post above ::) You're the moderator, you can end it when you want to :)
Thank you. :)
Nah, am just ending nation dart play.
The subject of discussion remains.
And please, do not feel hesitant to talk about women. You've lot to say, I guess. ;)
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Alpha You sow the seeds of future religious discord here.
Why havent you realized any talk of women will ultimately shift to religious debate?
WHY?
The fact is the only countries that have a negative attitude towards women are those that show extreme loyalty to the doctrine laid down by their organized religion.
It's another thing whether it's commanded by religion itself or people have hijacked to use it for their own personal gain.
Saudi Arabia , Iran, Somalia etc
Strangely i see islam in all of them
I wonder why ::)
need to lock this thread or otherwise your beloved religion will be there for the taking
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Alpha You sow the seeds of future religious discord here.
Why havent you realized any talk of women will ultimately shift to religious debate?
WHY?
The fact is the only countries that have a negative attitude towards women are those that show extreme loyalty to the doctrine laid down by their organized religion.
It's another thing whether it's commanded by religion itself or people have hijacked to use it for their own personal gain.
Saudi Arabia , Iran, Somalia etc
Strangely i see islam in all of them
I wonder why ::)
need to lock this thread or otherwise your beloved religion will be there for the taking
Requiem, I am the mod here, and this is my and Omer's board. Let me remind you the rules: reference to religion is allowed, only well-ingrained religious discussions are not allowed.
I judge it unfair to penalise the women's issues because "it will shift to religious debate". To moderate and prevent such things from happening is my responsibility, which I did carry out, you will notice from the above posts.
I will not lock this thread, and don't you either dare delete my comment. The thread stays for discussions about women's treatment.
The rest of your post is totally irrelevant since I've already stopped all discussions about religion, and the blame game on countries. I'll pretend I didn't read your last six lines.
~Good Day
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Lets drop all discussions regarding religion. Requiem, I mean it.
Alpha dont reply to his Requiem's post.
Capisce all of you ?
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Boys and boys, and a little girl there, move on. ;)
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Fine 8)
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Women are mostly equal, or can be equal if she wishes to. Most women don't care for their rights anyway.
That Afghan girl could divorce her husband a year back and find another one.
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Women are mostly equal, or can be equal if she wishes to. Most women don't care for their rights anyway.
That Afghan girl could divorce her husband a year back and find another one.
Most women are conditioned* not to care. ;)
Heard nothing about her husband though. :-\
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Most women are conditioned* not to care. ;)
Ahh! Common, that's a fake sometimes.
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Sometimes*, you said it. ;)
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Most women are conditioned* not to care. ;)
Heard nothing about her husband though. :-\
No. If she wanted to divorce her husband, who would stop her? Truth is, she fears, what she will do without "her husband's money" or "without male support (stupid)". :P She could even steal from her husband and flee to another place and run a shop with that.
Bottomline: Women should be more aware and press for their basic rights to be granted.
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No. If she wanted to divorce her husband, who would stop her? Truth is, she fears, what she will do without "her husband's money" or "without male support (stupid)". :P She could even steal from her husband and flee to another place and run a shop with that.
Bottomline: Women should be more aware and press for their basic rights to be granted.
I didn't have the chance to ask her if she divorced her husband, but my logic says she must have done it. :P
Steal from her husband? You're being too filmy. :D
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I didn't have the chance to ask her if she divorced her husband, but my logic says she must have done it. :P
Steal from her husband? You're being too filmy. :D
Its easy to steal money from someone AND flee somewhere else, away. The hubby deserves it anyway. :P
She divorced? Then why was she staying with him anyway?
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Its easy to steal money from someone AND flee somewhere else, away. The hubby deserves it anyway. :P
She did divorce? Then why was she staying with him anyway?
I didn't say she divorced. I said I think she did. You did not get my logic. :P
I don't know if she did. Heard news only of her nose, no news of the husband. Maybe the Talibans are protecting him.
Lah, a woman like her doesn't deserve to be called a thief. ;)
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I didn't say she divorced. I said I think she did. You did not get my logic. :P
I don't know if she did. Heard news only of her nose, no news of the husband. Maybe the Talibans are protecting him.
Lah, a woman like her doesn't deserve to be called a thief. ;)
Stealing will be considered a virtue in this case. ;)
Those Talibabas should have their 'body parts' :P cut.
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Stealing will be considered a virtue in this case. ;)
Those Talibabas should have their 'body parts' :P cut.
A virtue? :P Bako mat chokra. :P
Now, you are mimicking me. :P :P :D
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A virtue? :P Bako mat chokra. :P
Now, you are mimicking me. :P :P :D
Tumhi bolo. ::) Kya chori karna , biwi ka naak katna se bara gunah hain? :P ::)
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Tumhi bolo. ::) Kya chori karna , biwi ka naak katna se bara gunah hain? :P ::)
Yes! I think. :D
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Women are not treated well in countries such as Afghanistan and the NATO forces as well as the United States of America are working towards their liberation.
Time will tell what will happen.
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Yes! I think. :D
Pity your future wife. :P :P :D
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Tumhi bolo. ::) Kya chori karna , biwi ka naak katna se bara gunah hain? :P ::)
Both are sins? Aren't they? ::)
"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind."
LOL at Ancestor. :D You will cut your partner yaar. :P
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Women are not treated well in countries such as Afghanistan and the NATO forces as well as the United States of America are working towards their liberation.
Time will tell what will happen.
I'm not being impatient, but NATO has spent more than 10 years in Afghanistan, and no signs of female liberation or defeat of the Talibans as of yet. The NATO guys have clearly been unsuccessful in accomplishing their mission. (if what you said is their mission, after all)
Both are sins? Aren't they?
"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind."
Its not an eye for an eye case. In this case, its more like, a fingernail for an eye. ::)
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I'm not being impatient, but NATO has spent more than 10 years in Afghanistan, and no signs of female liberation yet. The NATO guys have clearly been unsuccessful in accomplishing their mission. (if what you said is their mission, after all)
Its not an eye for an eye case. In this case, its more like, a fingernail for an eye. ::)
They've been around for 7 years ;)
Girls can now go to school in peace in certain parts of the country and Kabul is relatively safe.
I consider that a victory for my female brethren.
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Okay, so, what do you think is the best punishment for women's rights offenders?
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Okay, so, what do you think is the best punishment for women's rights offenders?
Way of hell.
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Okay, so, what do you think is the best punishment for women's rights offenders?
Prison.
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They've been around for 7 years ;)
Girls can now go to school in peace in certain parts of the country and Kabul is relatively safe.
I consider that a victory for my female brethren.
Okay 7 years. But they're on war for more than 10 years.
"Certain" parts of Afghanistan? I especially note the "relatively" word. No sarcasm. ;)
One of my dad's acquaintance works on the United Nations, Kabul. According to her, the Talibans still dominate the majority of Afghan. Only a few of the major cities are under US control. About safety, UN officials like her is not allowed to go outside a certain territory unless special circumstances. And she's in Kabul. Yes, "relatively" safe!
More than 10 years of war, and still not dominated the whole of Afghanistan yet? Isn't the US the most powerful country in the world? Peace loving? Peace lovers try to solve through negotiation, not war.
Or should I say the Talibans are more powerful than the US! So powerful, that even after 10 years of "war" with the most "powerful" country, they are not yet defeated!
I'm not being sarcastic. But illustrating how the NATO has failed in Afghanistan. That is it. ;)
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Okay, I had previously stopped all discussions on countries. Let's not bring it up again.
Instead, think of a way to severely punish offenders. Prison, and hell, are common. ;)
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Okay, I had previously stopped all discussions on countries. Let's not bring it up again.
Instead, think of a way to severely punish offenders. Prison, and hell, are common. ;)
Hang them with a still quoted rope - something different !
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Hang them with a still quoted rope - something different !
Steel coated, you mean?
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I'll be to the point.
Isn't the US the most powerful country in the world?
Or should I say the Talibans are more powerful than the US! So powerful, that even after 10 years of "war" with the most "powerful" country, they are not yet defeated!
The Taliban have no Geneva Convention to follow. They have no rules and no laws. If they catch an American soldier they kill him on the spot even if he surrenders.
How do you fight something like that ? Do not be naiive and think that America cant simply unload a bunch of cluster bombs (banned by a UN treaty to which the USA is a signatory) or send in a few 'bunker-busters' in areas where Taliban elements are located.
American could do something like that but unlike the Taliban they follow the conventions of warfare.
Strength in terms of arms and weaponry is not the problem. America faces an adversary that can act truly uncivilized.
Peace lovers try to solve through negotiation, not war.
Peace loving ? Negotiations ? NATO recently offered to negotiate with the Taliban in Pakisatan or did you not read that in the news ?
They even offered them safe passage to Islamabad - the Taliban ignored the plea.
As I have shown quite clearly your points are baseless.
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Hang them with a still quoted rope - something different !
Do you really think that capital punishment gets you anywhere in life ? It may drive home a point, but what happens IF you find out the said assailant was wrongly accused ?
What you gonna do then ? Say sorry to his dead corpse ?
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Do you really think that capital punishment gets you anywhere in life ? It may drive home a point, but what happens IF you find out the said assailant was wrongly accused ?
What you gonna do then ? Say sorry to his dead corpse ?
That's what I listened !
Assailant will never be wrongly accused after the whole case has dropped to a part.
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I'll be to the point.
The Taliban have no Geneva Convention to follow. They have no rules and no laws. If they catch an American soldier they kill him on the spot even if he surrenders.
How do you fight something like that ? Do not be naiive and think that America cant simply unload a bunch of cluster bombs (banned by a UN treaty to which the USA is a signatory) or send in a few 'bunker-busters' in areas where Taliban elements are located.
American could do something like that but unlike the Taliban they follow the conventions of warfare.
Strength in terms of arms and weaponry is not the problem. America faces an adversary that can act truly uncivilized.
Peace loving ? Negotiations ? NATO recently offered to negotiate with the Taliban in Pakisatan or did you not read that in the news ?
They even offered them safe passage to Islamabad - the Taliban ignored the plea.
As I have shown quite clearly your points are baseless.
Ari, stop that please... Don't wanna end up with what we finished ago.
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As I have shown quite clearly your points are baseless.
I'm not here to prove your points are baseless or anybody else's. I just hope we were having a peaceful debate here and not anything emotional/personal. This statement of yours, in bold, indicates that you were offended by my response.
If that is so, I did not mean to offend you.
I'd prefer not arguing in this matter any further since arguments are baseless if any emotions are involved and can get into something more violent, like what happened with the US and Talibans. ;)
Peace. ;)
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I'm not here to prove your points are baseless or anybody else's. I just hope we were having a peaceful debate here and not anything emotional/personal. This statement of yours, in bold, indicates that you were offended by my response.
If that is so, I did not mean to offend you.
I'd prefer not arguing in this matter any further since arguments are baseless if any emotions are involved and can get into something more violent, like what happened with the US and Talibans. ;)
Peace. ;)
Dude, no man. I'm just having a constructive debate, I in no way felt offended by you.
Instead I should be apologising... I got a bit carried away. Ah, damn, Alpha..... yeah, I know you told me once already. I'll stop now.
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It's okay. No worries. :)
By the way, apologies look SO cute. ^^
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Dude, no man. I'm just having a constructive debate, I in no way felt offended by you.
Instead I should be apologising... I got a bit carried away. Ah, damn, Alpha..... yeah, I know you told me once already. I'll stop now.
Its okay mate! I'm sorry if any of my words hurt you too. :)
If you are thinking by now, that I support the Talibans, then that is not the case. I do not and did not ever support them or any other militant organisation.
My points made in previous posts, did not imply that I am supporting the Talibans. More like "Why are they not eliminated as of yet, after the decade long war?". Wondered if its another vietnam case.
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Wondered if its another vietnam case.
Something like that, but we'll discuss the later in another thread :P
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It's okay. No worries. :)
By the way, apologies look SO cute. ^^
Whose apologies ? :P Mine ? :P
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Whose apologies ? :P Mine ? :P
For once, you are not roaring! :P
Both of you. ;)
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Something like that, but we'll discuss the later in another thread :P
Sure. ;)
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this thread is a bad A**
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Okay, I had previously stopped all discussions on countries. Let's not bring it up again.
Instead, think of a way to severely punish offenders. Prison, and hell, are common. ;)
For rap*: Compulsive slavery of the woman/girl the rapist rapes. For example, if someone rapes another girl, the punishment is that he should be her slave (with his hands tied :P ) for 3 years. ;D :P
Okay, more seriously, the most suitable sentence is that of prison.
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Seriously, who is censoring words like rape and porn ? OMG ! ::)
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this thread is a bad A**
Requiem, don't start again.
For rap*: Compulsive slavery of the woman/girl the rapist rapes. For example, if someone rapes another girl, the punishment is that he should be her slave (with his hands tied :P ) for 3 years. ;D :P
Okay, more seriously, the most suitable sentence is that of prison.
LOL. :D :P Slavery has been universally abolished.
Prison? In countries like Mauritius, prisons are equivalent to hotels. ::)
I would vote for "cutting". ::) :P
Seriously, who is censoring words like rape and porn ? OMG ! ::)
In healthy arguments, they can be used. :)
In healthy arguments***. :P
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this thread is a bad A**
Why don't you join in? ;)
In my opinion, words like 'rape' and 'porn' are often used in healthy arguments and should not be censored. Only 'uncivilized' words, like Fu__, should be censored.
LOL. Slavery has been universally abolished.
It can be restarted as a punishment for rapists.
Prison? In countries like Mauritius, prisons are equivalent to hotels.
Nice. Its popular to tourists after all. :P ;D
I would vote for "cutting".
Ouch! :P
I'm considering something else.
According to islamic law, the punishment for rape is straight - death, if caught.
I've read on a website that on average, 30 women are raped in the US per minute.
I wonder if the problem of rape in the US would be to the same extent if the islamic law is implemented there, in case of rape.
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Why don't you join in? ;)
In my opinion, words like 'rape' and 'porn' are often used in healthy arguments and should not be censored. Only 'uncivilized' words, like Fu__, should be censored.
And words like "bad A**". ::)
It can be restarted as a punishment for rapists.
Then, it should be started for every other kind of crime as well. In that light, prisons are a form of slavery too. Aren't they? 'Legal' slavery... except that the country benefits. ::)
Prison? In countries like Mauritius, prisons are equivalent to hotels.
Nice. Its popular to tourists after all. :P ;D
Dart. :P :D
Ouch! :P
I'm considering something else.
According to islamic law, the punishment for rape is straight - death, if caught.
I've read on a website that on average, 30 women are raped in the US per second.
I wonder if the problem of rape in the US would be to the same extent if the islamic law is implemented there, in case of rape.
And overpopulation, consequently, poverty, would diminish too. ;)
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And words like "bad A**". ::)
Then, it should be started for every other kind of crime as well. In that light, prisons are a form of slavery too. Aren't they? 'Legal' slavery... except that the country benefits. ::)
Dart. :P :D
And overpopulation, consequently, poverty, would diminish too. ;)
Sorry. It would be 30/minute. Edited it. Wow, you are fast. :P
And words like "bad A**".
Yes.. ::)
Then, it should be started for every other kind of crime as well. In that light, prisons are a form of slavery too. Aren't they? 'Legal' slavery... except that the country benefits.
Yes. But slavery for rape would give the woman a 'sense of power and dominance' :P .
Dart.
Prisons = 0.5 star hotels, isn't it? ;) :P
And overpopulation, consequently, poverty, would diminish too.
Yes. But overpopulation? Most rapees :P abort their child, I think.
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Sorry. It would be 30/minute. Edited it. Wow, you are fast. :P
Oh yes, habit. ::) ;)
Yes. But slavery for rape would give the woman a 'sense of power and dominance' :P .
Along with that rapist, she would need a guard too. Too much human capital would be lost. :P
Prisons = 0.5 star hotels, isn't it? ;) :P
How did you cut the star? :o :P
I was talking about cutting the offenders. ::)
Yes. But overpopulation? Most rapees :P abort their child, I think.
Nah, if the rapists are killed, they will make place for more people in the world.
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Oh yes, habit. ::) ;)
Along with that rapist, she would need a guard too. Too much human capital would be lost. :P
How did you cut the star? :o :P
I was talking about cutting the offenders. ::)
Nah, if the rapists are killed, they will make place for more people in the world.
She wouldn't need a guard. Tie his hands with super glue. :P
I was talking about cutting the offenders. ::)
OUCH! :P
Don't you think that's too cruel? ::)
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She wouldn't need a guard. Tie his hands with super glue. :P
Iron doesn't work in jails, and super glue will? Interesting. :P
OUCH! :P
Don't you think that's too cruel? ::)
Why? As you sow, so you reap. :P
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Cut, I mean, their hands, fingers, feet and all.* ::)
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Cut, I mean, their hands, fingers, feet and all.* ::)
Better. :P
You have my vote.
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Better. :P
You have my vote.
What to cut is a whole new debate. That depends. ::)
Any other forms of punishment?
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What to cut is a whole new debate. That depends. ::)
Any other forms of punishment?
I doubt any punishment other than prison is suitable.
See it this way (I hope I'm not being too rude):
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I just read an article in wikipedia while researching on the subject of which punishment a sexual offender receive. My whole perception changed. :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_fantasy
Excerpts:
A rape fantasy or a ravishment is a sexual fantasy in which a person imagines themselves being coerced, or otherwise forced into a sex act.
In one study of college-age women, over half had engaged in fantasies of rape or coercion.
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It is safe to conclude that most women would like to be raped. Not to say that rape is okay. But still, most would like to be raped.
A prison sentence, of 3 years, is thus, enough as a punishment of rape.
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This debate is going off topic into some very....... different discussions :P