cant kashmir be an independent country?I bet India won't let them do that too
Is there anything I can do over here?
Is there anything I can do over here?
no, the grammer is ok, if i see any mistakes, ill give u a pm :P
just kidding ;)
It doesn't want to be
Its people want to join Pakistan but India is holding the
disputed area of kashmir forcefully
I don't know the exact reason but may be
to become more powerful which they wont be independantly
they may have not enough resources to do that or
any other reasons
E7m E7m...
Im coughing :D
India is a large country, why do they need Kashmir?
Kashmir got beautiful girls and women.
I think indians r only jealous of Kashmir being independant or being united with
Pakistan becuz
they already have sooo much Land themselves
India is a large country, why do they need Kashmir?
NO
This concludes that their democracy is naturally equalent to dictatorship
the article does not say that kashmir wants to be an independant country or annex to pakistan. i agree many kashmiris are unhappy, but it is not because they are being mistreated, it is because they want to be freed from the extreme terrorist groups that are making their lives hell. the militants are the problem because they poison the minds of the young children against india.
once again, i'm telling you, it is the job of the militants who r poisoning the minds of the people by spreading rumours.
ok you mentioned earlier that kashmiris are given no right of freedom, speech, press, etc. can you name one instance where this has happened?
it's an anti-election protest, not an election campaign. these people were trying to prevent the elections from taking place
peaceful protest! ya right! throwing stones and stirring up a rebellion is peaceful.
Okay, yes we are a democracy but you must know that there is no country in the world that is going to see and applaud a protest that may put the whole country in jeopardy
M.J im British-sikh and i have no real bias as to who Kashmir should go to....but your story isnt correct for a number of reasons; i dont have the time to correct you.
posting here will just gain you support....and make you feel better about yourself.
give it up. kashmir ent going anywhere at the moment.
Oh my god...if only india and pakistan had politicians like you guys...in a few years when our generation takes over our countries im pretty sure we'll become better friends...and decieving and cheating and lying will end...hopefully..
Oh my god...if only india and pakistan had politicians like you guys...in a few years when our generation takes over our countries im pretty sure we'll become better friends...and decieving and cheating and lying will end...hopefully..
thats just the problem my friend. Our current politicians have mucked up this field so bad for us, that i dont think any educated child comtemplates that he wants to become a politician, that is why the future looks bleak, we need educated ppl to take our country forward, not some guy who graduated from a university that does not EXIST!!!( That wud be Zardari By the way i'm Pakistani)
And as for kashmir, i think that it shud be an independent state, i understand the fact how badly the indian army treats kashmiris but our government isn't doing much better
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.
and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...
do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...
do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.
and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...
do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...
do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.
and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...
do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...
do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)
u know what the way u r simply insulting me over here, means u are simply anti - indian.
can i know where u r from exactly?
ur mentioning so much about kashmir and how it must be split up. May i ask u about the Punjabi sikhs living in pakistan? They are being taxed heavily by the Taliban (known as the Jaziya), and nothing is being done about it. they r being mistreated as well.
i totally agree with u india is at fault. everything is the fault of india. nothing like this ever happenned in pakistan. (note the *SARCASM*)
i want to make it clear that I AM NOT AGAINST PAKISTAN. The only difference i see between us is Religion, but that should not bar us from being good allies and one of the better citizens of the world. Both countries have made mistakes in the past, and like "indian" said we must learn from our mistakes.
Rfi, ur manner of speaking is simply vile. Learn to argue without making stupid comments about the person.
By the way, u tell me i listen to media. Who do u what do u want me to listen to - YOU?
This is small note for the kashmiris
some Muslims in Kashmir really don't think they're indians.....i don't really know why. They think muslims in India are not respected and not given good ranks in government jobs, which is all nonsense
Do u guys even know that one of the most respected men in India is Mr.Abdul Kalam(our ex-president)?? The president has the highest rank in the army. A muslim has governed India. and still ull want more proof. If for any reason muslims are not given jobs it's because they're not qualified and there's nothing to do with their faith. And literacy rate of muslims is low because muslims don't send their kids to school(especially girls) and the average no. of children in muslim families is high.
KASHMIR IS A PART OF INDIA.LOVE UR COUNTRY. JAI HIND
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.
and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...
do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...
do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)
i dont get it if ppl hate zardari so much why did they vote for him?wat were ppl thinking?they made the worlds most corrupt person the president of pakistan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and now they complain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.
and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...
do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...
do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)
I fell very sorry abt u
but the pakis r themselves fedup of this unparh jahil gavar dako - Asif Ali Zardari- sh*t may be upon him
there r 16 crore people in pakistan who full hearted support the Kashmir and its people
U Musharraf sparked the Kargil war just 4 Kashmiris but I don't know what went wrong
lemme tell u all something. kashmiris used to want pakistan, now they dont. because of how the pak government treats us. do u know what zardari said about kashmir? something so disgraceful, i wont even bother mentioning it. he said why dont the kashmiris just go to india and stop all this fightin. like wtf?? i hate that guy. not like it matters, but a lot of kashmiris hate him. but still. he's ur goddam president.
and now to u indians. do u know how bad some of thos indian soldiers treat kashmiris and kashmir in general? my mom's cousin died two years ago FOR NO REASON AT ALL, during ramadan, some indian soldiers picked him up near his house, and took him to a jail. not some nice jail. the ones where they put stones in your food, and dont give u any water, where u sweat and ur mind spins all the time, where its dark and people have to go to the bathroom in the cell next to you, so u can smell all that all the time. not pleasant. and its real. its not some fantasy thing, it is REAL. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. my mom's cousin was 16 at that time. they found out after the indian military got his beaten, dead body to his home. GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD>ITS REAL AND IT HAPPENS NOWADAYS, not some wierd story... they made him drink sewage water (nalees? <if u dont understand, js skip) so tht he would break his fast, and he refused, so they took him away. thats what his friend told his mom...
do u understand how bad that is? VERY BAD. he died of starvation and getting beaten up when he was 16. that could happen to you. imagine. he never did anything wrong. its only because he was a good muslim, and a kashmiri, so they killed him. and its not like many people knew. stuff like this happens all the time. this summer vacation, there were huge protests all over kashmir, where they were protesting against the indian tourism ministry taking a lot of land from the most beautiful places in kashmir, and giving it to the yatris. meaning the hindu pilgrimage. why did they want it? why the hell did they need to OWN some land, and make about four thousand people lose their inheritance and life time incomes? they didnt. its not like they're going to do anything with the land anyways. its just lying there...
do u know what happened in one of the protests? my cousin, who is 18-19 or something, his friend, was shot in the eye. he's blind now. BLIND. imagine if u were blind for going out and saying some stuff... its not like they were throwing stones. please dont LIE GODFATHER. it pisses me off seeing people so ignorant as you, who pretend they know anything at all... you are ignorant. you listen to the media. people like you make me sick. i want to vomit now. <barfing noise> really. stop. (actually, continue, and im going to smash you even more)
u know what the way u r simply insulting me over here, means u are simply anti - indian.
can i know where u r from exactly?
ur mentioning so much about kashmir and how it must be split up. May i ask u about the Punjabi sikhs living in pakistan? They are being taxed heavily by the Taliban (known as the Jaziya), and nothing is being done about it. they r being mistreated as well.
i totally agree with u india is at fault. everything is the fault of india. nothing like this ever happenned in pakistan. (note the *SARCASM*)
i want to make it clear that I AM NOT AGAINST PAKISTAN. The only difference i see between us is Religion, but that should not bar us from being good allies and one of the better citizens of the world. Both countries have made mistakes in the past, and like "indian" said we must learn from our mistakes.
Rfi, ur manner of speaking is simply vile. Learn to argue without making stupid comments about the person.
By the way, u tell me i listen to media. Who do u what do u want me to listen to - YOU?
Guys, may i know where u r sitting and writing this from, rfi is kashmiri!!!, he knows first hand what happens there, u just see the news and say that everything ur country does is right..., get a life guys, GET A LIFE!!!
This is small note for the kashmiris
some Muslims in Kashmir really don't think they're indians.....i don't really know why. They think muslims in India are not respected and not given good ranks in government jobs, which is all nonsense
Do u guys even know that one of the most respected men in India is Mr.Abdul Kalam(our ex-president)?? The president has the highest rank in the army. A muslim has governed India. and still ull want more proof. If for any reason muslims are not given jobs it's because they're not qualified and there's nothing to do with their faith. And literacy rate of muslims is low because muslims don't send their kids to school(especially girls) and the average no. of children in muslim families is high.
KASHMIR IS A PART OF INDIA.LOVE UR COUNTRY. JAI HIND
That adbul Kalam sh*t is the most _____ guy. I have read many articles about him.. he does wateva his fellows hindus do
go temples worship withem put the red thing on his forehead and n whatelse
the fact that muslims r very less in gov. is true
only 5 people r muslims in india's whole parliment
isn't that a fact
let me make something clear. im kashmiri. but im not a patriot. or a nationalist. or anything related to identifying with a country. because that is WRONG. why? dont make me start...
and whoever said im making up stories... seriously... do you want someone to throw a shoe at you? did i insult ur bharat or whatever u call it? no. all im trying to do is open YOUR eyes to see that ur military is ___ and *** stuff. yea. and if u call me a liar, seriously OPEN YOUR ***ing EYES. maybe ill quote some censored news... did u know india didnt let ANY journalists into kashmir last summer? NONE. how did BBC get all that news? FROM THE GOVERNMENT. AFTER THEY CENSORED IT. they said one hundred thousand people came to the biggest protest. that figure is full of ****. the indian media said before that that five hundred thousand came to tht protest (note tht bbc's source was these guys). tht figure was full of sh** too. one million people came to the protest. the biggest one. does that figure sound like a lie? its because ur a brainwashed kid you know. you have no idea wha a warzone is. do you want to know who my cousin is? his name is aiqib irshad. go search for "aiqib" on facebook, hes still the only one, i think... add him. not all of u, dont pester him, lol, and ask him what happened to one of his friend's eyes during the protests last summer. and then maybe he'll give u tht guy's facebook id. and u can add him. ask him. i dont live in kashmir, but i go there for the summer, for 3 months every year. last year summer, we were forced to stay inside the house ("curfew" whole day) for two months on end. my neighbor was going to get married. on the day of his marriage, which was naturally cancelled, his MOTHER DIED. DO YOU KNOW WHY? because of this "curfew" which lasts the whole day. she couldn't get her insulin injections. and so she died. just like that.
oh maybe ill give u some links nid. if you can support what ur government and military does, explain this. (oh n for u guys in saudi arabia, check yestetday's arab news, it had something about what i said in kashmir, which was of course downplayed and made to look like an accident. it said that people had tensions businesses were closed, etc. people did that on purpose. like they care...) heres some links:
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/everybody-is-playing-politics-over-shrine-dispute-in-kashmir_10087921.html
(thats an indian site, read it, learn something REAL, not the **** in history books)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/world/asia/09kashmir.html?_r=1
(new york times, now say thats lying too)
http://news.in.msn.com/specials/battle_over_amarnath_land.aspx
(now read that, thats the whole story)
maybe read this as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kashmir_unrest
im good at using google. ask me if there's anything else u want to read about. except remember that all they say is exaggerated-exaggerated so that it looks like nothing is wrong, when in fact, a lot is wrong.
now mr.nid. i have no problems with any indians. make that clear. NO PROBLEM WITH INDIANS. but i dont like ur country, and the people who run it, and i dont like those indian soldiers who are in kashmir.
if you think what they do is fine, then i dont like you either. i dont want to talk to you. if you like what they do. but if you deny them doing this, we can continue talking about it, and it will be obvious you have no clue what ur talking about.
i have no problems with any hindus either. that was to godfather and nid. whoever was a hindu. seriosuly. im not racist or discriminatory, until i know who you are and what you represent, and if i dislike that, i have all the right in the world to hate you.
and godfather. what are u saying? muslims have a low literacy rate? do u understand what the muslim world has done for civilization? or do you listen to the media?
thats ur problem. u dont have any sources of information other than those adulterated ones coming from the people who like war. eg, the media. u want a source of information? google. blogs. wikipedia, to an extent. other people who know what they r talking about. like me. yes. like me. if you think im a liar, good for you, go live in ur box. this cant be a debate with people like u who say that a KASHMIRI would lie. and then u say that we want to be indian. WTF. seriously. kashmir was never part of india+pakistan, go learn ur history. india+pakistan+bangladesh was bharat, kashmir was never part of that.
kashmiris are different. u wouldnt understand. we dont speak urdu or hindi, call it different names, its the same thing (yeah yeah two or three words im impressed <-sarcasm). im kashmiri. i speak kashmiri. which is a bit like persian. because kashmiris were originally irani... then some indian kind of people came and settled in kashmir, and we get the kashmiris you have now. but those people were called bhattas. lol... u woudl have to be kashmiri to understand....
whatever. at least u can apologize. but i wont. especially how u called me a liar... imagine u were from a small country, and this happened to you, what would u do? tell people the truth, and expect them to believe you. but if u call me a liar, honestly, go live in ur box, i dont want to talk with you...
<sweetsh, thanks for unlocking this topic again... i dont like how ppl who r ignorant get to stay ignorant without a reason>
and like i said, i hate nationalism. so dont talk as a nationalist here, please. talk as a human being, and if ur a muslim, talk as a muslim.
U all seriously need to CALM DOWN!!!!!!!otherwise this can get alot out of hand! >:so really ppl settle down we r not politicians what one says the other might not agree so really take this topic as a healthy debate and dont chew each others brain over it!!!!!!!!!!!!
and u did the right thing cause these were gettin lets just say literally violent
U all seriously need to CALM DOWN!!!!!!!otherwise this can get alot out of hand! >:so really ppl settle down we r not politicians what one says the other might not agree so really take this topic as a healthy debate and dont chew each others brain over it!!!!!!!!!!!!
ur right in a way and ive requested sweetsh to have a look at the cold war happening.....and asked her to take appropriate action
mind ur language...i don't think quoran teaches u to talk like this........
ive learnt the history i had to sooo plzz ......
probably we have different stories in our history books and u want agree mine's right the way i won't agree urs is.
and u will never listen. no apologies
have a look at http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/sundry/genocide.html and http://www.india-defence.com/reports/771 and http://ikashmir.net/religion/index.html and u say indians infiltrated Kashmir.
i don't want this to go on simply so let this just be.some muslim kashmiris too love India....so u alone can't decide the fate of the state as a lone muslim.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3330031.stm
clearly stated here that India rejected the call 4 referendum
I think this should be the end......it's just a debate.....i hope we have good leaders in the future to sort this matter.
JAI HIND
my last post on a topic that is bringing abt hatred in some.......heyy not me...never..im peaceful and abhor injustice completely. I hope this topic is done with soon
This is small note for the kashmiris
some Muslims in Kashmir really don't think they're indians.....i don't really know why. They think muslims in India are not respected and not given good ranks in government jobs, which is all nonsense
Do u guys even know that one of the most respected men in India is Mr.Abdul Kalam(our ex-president)?? The president has the highest rank in the army. A muslim has governed India. and still ull want more proof. If for any reason muslims are not given jobs it's because they're not qualified and there's nothing to do with their faith. And literacy rate of muslims is low because muslims don't send their kids to school(especially girls) and the average no. of children in muslim families is high.
KASHMIR IS A PART OF INDIA.LOVE UR COUNTRY. JAI HIND
That adbul Kalam sh*t is the most _____ guy. I have read many articles about him.. he does wateva his fellows hindus do
go temples worship withem put the red thing on his forehead and n whatelse
the fact that muslims r very less in gov. is true
only 5 people r muslims in india's whole parliment
isn't that a fact
This is small note for the kashmiris
some Muslims in Kashmir really don't think they're indians.....i don't really know why. They think muslims in India are not respected and not given good ranks in government jobs, which is all nonsense
Do u guys even know that one of the most respected men in India is Mr.Abdul Kalam(our ex-president)?? The president has the highest rank in the army. A muslim has governed India. and still ull want more proof. If for any reason muslims are not given jobs it's because they're not qualified and there's nothing to do with their faith. And literacy rate of muslims is low because muslims don't send their kids to school(especially girls) and the average no. of children in muslim families is high.
KASHMIR IS A PART OF INDIA.LOVE UR COUNTRY. JAI HIND
That adbul Kalam sh*t is the most _____ guy. I have read many articles about him.. he does wateva his fellows hindus do
go temples worship withem put the red thing on his forehead and n whatelse
the fact that muslims r very less in gov. is true
only 5 people r muslims in india's whole parliment
isn't that a fact
and before u say anything against this may i ask
HOW MANY SIKHS OR HINDU MINORITIES OR PATHANS DO U HAVE IN UR PARLIAMENT?
http://sindhihindus.wordpress.com/
u talking about atrocities in india, what bout in Pakistan?
hey guys,
the debate rules state the no topic should be locked,
i unolocked it, u can continue ur debate,
thanks :)
firstly i appologize if i have been rude........
i just felt offended when others started offending my country and its people........
and i consider each and everyone equal no matter if he is a pakistani or indian or african.............
xactly! u don't trust anything i put up so how can i trust anything u put up?Quoteand before u say anything against this may i ask
HOW MANY SIKHS OR HINDU MINORITIES OR PATHANS DO U HAVE IN UR PARLIAMENT?
http://sindhihindus.wordpress.com/
u talking about atrocities in india, what bout in Pakistan?
I just don't trust this absurt blog!
xactly! u don't trust anything i put up so how can i trust anything u put up?Quoteand before u say anything against this may i ask
HOW MANY SIKHS OR HINDU MINORITIES OR PATHANS DO U HAVE IN UR PARLIAMENT?
http://sindhihindus.wordpress.com/
u talking about atrocities in india, what bout in Pakistan?
I just don't trust this absurt blog!
good to have u back!!
erm... PAKISTAN !!
it was always pakistan's, india tried to occupy it. Now its just an area of conflict :(
Kashmir is difficult cos ethnic cleansing has partially taken place. I dont know what the ethnic balance is at the moment but I think it is still majority muslim, therefore the people will probably vote for union for pakistan. This is probably the best. It will be VERY messy though, and I think this will never happen.
If I were Kashmiri I would not stay there. The most power you can have is the power of opinion. Make your money elsewhere and remember your cause.
I am always on the side of the rebels
Exactly - originally, Sri Lanka, Pakistan - all were a part of India!
We are not willing to part with out personal belongings, this is a whole country we're talking about people! a WHOLE country dividing into parts? And now u say Kashmir too? Why? Do you want to increase your country's geographical area? Become stronger?
:S
Exactly - originally, Sri Lanka, Pakistan - all were a part of India!
We are not willing to part with out personal belongings, this is a whole country we're talking about people! a WHOLE country dividing into parts? And now u say Kashmir too? Why? Do you want to increase your country's geographical area? Become stronger?
:S
Ok, then maybe it was Bangladesh?
Sorry, I got confused :S But i remmebr it being one of the two!
Ok, then maybe it was Bangladesh?
Sorry, I got confused :S But i remmebr it being one of the two!
Banglasdesh was originally part of pakistan, ruled from pakistan like a provine. In 1971/72 I think there was a civil war in which Bangladesh became independent. India intervened and this increased the bitterness.
This post is not about kashmir, which is a source of friction. I think the gretest threat to the world will come from china which has a sense of historical injustice, and like every powerful country, feels the world must recognise it's power. The west might be slow to react in the way Britain was in the late nineteenth century to the rise of germany and might sleepwar into a war with china.
In the end Inidia will be more powerful than China because it has greater powers of ideas and thought.
Frankly one day India could save us.
This post is not about kashmir, which is a source of friction. I think the gretest threat to the world will come from china which has a sense of historical injustice, and like every powerful country, feels the world must recognise it's power. The west might be slow to react in the way Britain was in the late nineteenth century to the rise of germany and might sleepwar into a war with china.
In the end Inidia will be more powerful than China because it has greater powers of ideas and thought.
Frankly one day India could save us.
CHINA IS DANGEROUS...SO FORMIDABLE
From poisoning baby foods it exports to adding lead in plastic toys..it has tried everything to weaken other economies
there was more than that. The Pakistani president at that time, treated the bangla people unfairly. Hence, Bangladeshis were incontent with Pakistani rule. Also, an operation was carried out by the pakistani army to eliminate political opponents, Hindus and intellectuals. This move turned public opinion completely against Pakistan.
no its wrong.... bangladesh ppl wanted independncy... becuz there vr sum reasns....... first ws is the distance btween pakistan n bangladesh... secondly riots startd by indians... thirdly accomodation prob in bangladesh because main offices ver in Pakistan...... fourthly elections were held where Awami Party won n wanted a seperate country....
And where as Kashmir is concernd if you remember abt Hyderabad the ruler was Muslim and it wantd 2 join Pak but da ppl ver Hindus... So he decided 2 join India... Same shud hav happend to Kashmir.... India became greedy n waged war also later on....
no its wrong.... bangladesh ppl wanted independncy... becuz there vr sum reasns....... first ws is the distance btween pakistan n bangladesh... secondly riots startd by indians... thirdly accomodation prob in bangladesh because main offices ver in Pakistan...... fourthly elections were held where Awami Party won n wanted a seperate country....Hey, if we go on like this then we'll talk about west punjab, hindu majority and sikh majority cities in Pakistan.
And where as Kashmir is concernd if you remember abt Hyderabad the ruler was Muslim and it wantd 2 join Pak but da ppl ver Hindus... So he decided 2 join India... Same shud hav happend to Kashmir.... India became greedy n waged war also later on....
no its wrong.... bangladesh ppl wanted independncy... becuz there vr sum reasns....... first ws is the distance btween pakistan n bangladesh... secondly riots startd by indians... thirdly accomodation prob in bangladesh because main offices ver in Pakistan...... fourthly elections were held where Awami Party won n wanted a seperate country....
And where as Kashmir is concernd if you remember abt Hyderabad the ruler was Muslim and it wantd 2 join Pak but da ppl ver Hindus... So he decided 2 join India... Same shud hav happend to Kashmir.... India became greedy n waged war also later on....
no its wrong.... bangladesh ppl wanted independncy... becuz there vr sum reasns....... first ws is the distance btween pakistan n bangladesh... secondly riots startd by indians... thirdly accomodation prob in bangladesh because main offices ver in Pakistan...... fourthly elections were held where Awami Party won n wanted a seperate country....By the way, y do u have to assert those adjectives (greedy) when referring to india when u write ?
And where as Kashmir is concernd if you remember abt Hyderabad the ruler was Muslim and it wantd 2 join Pak but da ppl ver Hindus... So he decided 2 join India... Same shud hav happend to Kashmir.... India became greedy n waged war also later on....
:) India stands for equality!u're a moderator n u're being a CLEAR racst ANGELL!!!!!
We are a nation people are JEALOUS of
We Indians are EVERYWHERE
Muslims in India are not TERRORIZED!
Our country and our roots are not buried and immersed in violence and bloodshed, unlike Pakistan! Pakistan's very core and reason of existence started with violence and killing!
Pakistani's are the ones who turned TRAITORS on India :) so you obviously will never agree that Kashmir would be safer in India's hands - that would be like denying the reason for your existence :P
Im sorry but being a moderator doesnt mean Im not allowed to speak my own mind!yes by sayin PAKISTANI this n that
You're showing limited thinking skills with that post :P
What do u mean im being racist? IM AN INDIAN!
@ angel no offencE!
it would be safer in INDIA hands?
are u serious!?
when INDIA USED TO BE ONE!!INCLUDING PAKISTANI
HOW WAS THIER PEACE
MUSliams were nto allowed to pray people used to puke in MASJID they used to listen to music outlod
woment were rapped
n u call this peace
when MUSLIMS asked for a sperate land it wasNT granted FURTHUR more violance were included
n then Not to FORGRT many DETINED area WHICH ARE currently in INDA were soppedly a part of PAKSTAN however BEFORE it was ANNOUNCE on radio!! the MAPS were changed
NEHRUS famous wording
*iif there were no calcuta there were no INDIA/bcuz inda was a means of education industriy etc
which was ot be a aprt of pakistan cuz many MUSLIMS used to reside HOWEVER it didnt
n how tro forget
WHEN MUSLIMS were mIGRATED to PAKISTAN what ahppend!!!
sikhs seta fire on MUSLIMS propert
they KIDNAPPED girls/women
people were mURDERED!!
n u still say KASHMIRE would be IN SAFE hand with INDIA!
Im sorry but being a moderator doesnt mean Im not allowed to speak my own mind!yes by sayin PAKISTANI this n that
You're showing limited thinking skills with that post :P
What do u mean im being racist? IM AN INDIAN!
i will certainly reply to ur post n PROOVE ur WRONG angel
about US being racist
the ombs n fring happeneing in PAKISTAN were done by INDAIN!
will proove u really soon!
let me be over with IGS :)
The people who did cause a bomb in paksitan during the match WAS NOT AN FROM OR IN PAKISTAN!!@ angel no offencE!
it would be safer in INDIA hands?
are u serious!?
when INDIA USED TO BE ONE!!INCLUDING PAKISTANI
HOW WAS THIER PEACE
MUSliams were nto allowed to pray people used to puke in MASJID they used to listen to music outlod
woment were rapped
n u call this peace
when MUSLIMS asked for a sperate land it wasNT granted FURTHUR more violance were included
n then Not to FORGRT many DETINED area WHICH ARE currently in INDA were soppedly a part of PAKSTAN however BEFORE it was ANNOUNCE on radio!! the MAPS were changed
NEHRUS famous wording
*iif there were no calcuta there were no INDIA/bcuz inda was a means of education industriy etc
which was ot be a aprt of pakistan cuz many MUSLIMS used to reside HOWEVER it didnt
n how tro forget
WHEN MUSLIMS were mIGRATED to PAKISTAN what ahppend!!!
sikhs seta fire on MUSLIMS propert
they KIDNAPPED girls/women
people were mURDERED!!
n u still say KASHMIRE would be IN SAFE hand with INDIA!
If I begin to list the atrocities muslims have commited the list will never end. There were losses on either sides. How safe do u think kashmir is with Pakistan my friend. Taliban is there now...and how dumb(sorry to use that word) was zardari to sign a peace treaty with taliban in swat valley. Let is running full fledge in pakistan. ISI in itself is contributing to terror activities. Hafiz Saeed, the chief of Let is free. Sri lankan cricketers were attacked in sri lanka. Actually there r so many more things that u didn't point out. Kashmir is fine with India for now. let pakistan stabilize then we can talk anything abt the transfer of kashmir(which is very unlikely)
ofcourse and on which tv was it. it was a pakistani tv channel that was talking about the red band.YEA which was BANNED IN INDA BCUZ OF THE PERSON!!!!
Im putting smileys to ease the tension! Whats wrong with you guys? Why do you go for the pessimistic side of everything :SN WHO KILLS OU LEADER
Kashmir would be safe in Pakistans hand, but risking what?
To be manipulated by the Taliban? To be exposed to starvation, hunger, power cuts?
A country which is shattered by a single earth quake?
A country with an unstable political government?
A country whose leaders repeatedly get shot/killed?
India has Muslims, sikhs, hindus in its top governemnt ranking officers.
Correct me if im wrong, but how many hindus are there in Pakistans governemnt?
Im an indian muslim, i've lived in india, my family lives in india, i KNOW what im talking about!
:)
maybe everyone ought to have a look at this!!!
actually i didn't see any of that in BBC, CNN or Aljazeera. Why is it only pakistani tv that is showing that?what do u say about brain wash!!
Moreover, anyone can wear a red band. He may have tryed to imitate a hindu to confuse the origins of the real attacker. But too bad, we caught one and it turned out that he was pakistani and he admitted it.
The people who did cause a bomb in paksitan during the match WAS NOT AN FROM OR IN PAKISTAN!!@ angel no offencE!
it would be safer in INDIA hands?
are u serious!?
when INDIA USED TO BE ONE!!INCLUDING PAKISTANI
HOW WAS THIER PEACE
MUSliams were nto allowed to pray people used to puke in MASJID they used to listen to music outlod
woment were rapped
n u call this peace
when MUSLIMS asked for a sperate land it wasNT granted FURTHUR more violance were included
n then Not to FORGRT many DETINED area WHICH ARE currently in INDA were soppedly a part of PAKSTAN however BEFORE it was ANNOUNCE on radio!! the MAPS were changed
NEHRUS famous wording
*iif there were no calcuta there were no INDIA/bcuz inda was a means of education industriy etc
which was ot be a aprt of pakistan cuz many MUSLIMS used to reside HOWEVER it didnt
n how tro forget
WHEN MUSLIMS were mIGRATED to PAKISTAN what ahppend!!!
sikhs seta fire on MUSLIMS propert
they KIDNAPPED girls/women
people were mURDERED!!
n u still say KASHMIRE would be IN SAFE hand with INDIA!
If I begin to list the atrocities muslims have commited the list will never end. There were losses on either sides. How safe do u think kashmir is with Pakistan my friend. Taliban is there now...and how dumb(sorry to use that word) was zardari to sign a peace treaty with taliban in swat valley. Let is running full fledge in pakistan. ISI in itself is contributing to terror activities. Hafiz Saeed, the chief of Let is free. Sri lankan cricketers were attacked in sri lanka. Actually there r so many more things that u didn't point out. Kashmir is fine with India for now. let pakistan stabilize then we can talk anything abt the transfer of kashmir(which is very unlikely)
it was prooven the unifrom n the thing which indian wwear(a red thred) was wrn by him n noo PAKISTANI/Muslims do that
talkng about Talibban do u EVEN know WHAT n WHERE were thier origin!!!
n yes i do agree our president is not a sincere one
YEST we still stand n resist the consequences
while orther BIG nation who were the bigst ones
were not even able to stand RECESSION!!!
ISi is one of the mah\jor power
which INDIaANS want to ruin it!
And to be very very very frank, anything that goes wrong with Pakistani would proove u wrong!!!!!
Be it attacks on cricket player, bombing, or the killing of your political leader- you blame it on india!
Baseless sayings, of course! You havent been able to prove a thing! :P
trust me manaH, authorities higher up and much more skilled and able than you have tried evidence against India - to no avail! :D
maybe everyone ought to have a look at this!!!
what do I open this with?
And to be very very very frank, anything that goes wrong with Pakistani would proove u wrong!!!!!
Be it attacks on cricket player, bombing, or the killing of your political leader- you blame it on india!
Baseless sayings, of course! You havent been able to prove a thing! :P
trust me manaH, authorities higher up and much more skilled and able than you have tried evidence against India - to no avail! :D
after my igs end
ull see it ANGEL!!!!!
Ok, u say india did violence on muslims
thats Hindu on Muslim
what about the violence Pakistanis do on their own people?
if you're so proud of yourself, why are u divided into 100 different groups?
Why are people in ur country afraid, hiding?
Why:?
maybe everyone ought to have a look at this!!!
what do I open this with?
its the other way round U guys make Pakistani in the wrong wasy!!!
its not US bombing ourselves
use common sence guys why would one nation kill thier own people!!!
its some third party who is wearing pakistnai mask to make us wrong!!!!
e.g in swat many terorist have been cought n our commander r fighting against!!!
we are not agaisnt each otrhER
we MAY be divided into several groups YET wen problemm arised we ALl are one!!
its seen in every inceident
n ,u say earthquake CAN we help its ITS ALLAH woho can prvent or stop it!
I dont understand why pakistanis defend the us. I dont like the yanks in my country. Why do you want them in yours?bcuz paksistnai is US its not about an INDIVDUAL!
I dont understand why pakistanis defend the us. I dont like the yanks in my country. Why do you want them in yours?bcuz paksistnai is US its not about an INDIVDUAL!
n ANgel there r things in poltics issues i agree whihc i dont even understand
but tlaking baout ooter thing e.g the bomb etc i do have explaination!!!
whatever, even if i proove myslef u guys would again take out thread
cuz u DONT C URSELF WORNG!!!!!
n about the the US n INdan
its the truuth hun!!!!!
it soo dam true!!!!
who do i think killed banizr
bhutoo(y was he hung)
theinsight is never revealed!!!
US did give warning aginst them to serve for THEm not PAK
yet they choose to doo soo n so THEY WEE KILLED!
anyways i am out from here i have chem in my head
needa rvise!!!!
I've been in my school debate team since the last 4 years - and won all of emi know these rules
Therefore, A few things guys...
Never personally attack, avoid taking names - referring to em as my opponent helps!
Keep a cool head, avoid using caps and emo language (its just funny :P )
I read your powerpoint and I can tell you that the english over here are going nuts about minority rights and have just elected 2 BNp - nazi MPs. They are saying a lot l the same things and that white people are second class citizens. Are there any muslims with thier own powerpoints to put their own point?-I thought all Nazis were banned!
I've been in my school debate team since the last 4 years - and won all of emi know these rules
Therefore, A few things guys...
Never personally attack, avoid taking names - referring to em as my opponent helps!
Keep a cool head, avoid using caps and emo language (its just funny :P )
thats why i kept using PAKISTANI n INDIAN NOT US or U!
while u who is a debater end up using U for pakistani
i am also a deabtor futhur more A QMUN delgant!
I haven't had the chance to be a delagate. :'(
Look ppl, this is where we always go wrong
wat is the thread about?? Kashmir
Wat r we talking bout?? How we downgrade each other...
And then ppl wonder why we never get to a solution..
Face it ppl, no indian or pakistani is going to admit that the opposite is better than themselves
and who takes advantage when we fight like this- Our enemies- The ppl who kill innocent ppl, take their lives, destroy their families,and they get away wid it, and u know why, cuz of ppl like u who keep playing the blame game, and going on news stories and not seeing clearly, Do you ppl know that when Ajmal Qasab was caught, who were the first ppl to admit that he was pakistani?? A pakistani channel, and dont tell me its a lie, cuz the indian media threw the report on the pakistani governments face when they were denying the fact that the attackers were pakistani, and as for angell, claiming that all attacks we have, we balme on india, do u know that last year how many attacks our country faced, and did we ever even say out publicly that india was involved though the indian media is always quick to point the finger across the border, without any solid proof, and as for kashmir, i still say it shud be an independant country where no person has to say that he is Indian Kashmiri or Pakisani KAshmiri, where they dont face curfews and their children can play wid each other regardless od wether they r from the east or west, north or south....., and pls i respect the fact that u indians have progressed so much when compared to us, especially in education and technological fields, i believe u shudn't rub it in our faces, our country is going thru a tough period in its history and it is only wid the help of our allies and neighbours and us pakistanis that we can progress and it doesnt help the fact that one party is looking down at the other.
So pls, i only request u to unite, so that our enemies dont prosper and thus we'll help in creating a sub continent that is safe for its ppl and for the ppl of the world....
PS I'm Pakistani...
Look ppl, this is where we always go wrong
wat is the thread about?? Kashmir
Wat r we talking bout?? How we downgrade each other...
And then ppl wonder why we never get to a solution..
Face it ppl, no indian or pakistani is going to admit that the opposite is better than themselves
and who takes advantage when we fight like this- Our enemies- The ppl who kill innocent ppl, take their lives, destroy their families,and they get away wid it, and u know why, cuz of ppl like u who keep playing the blame game, and going on news stories and not seeing clearly, Do you ppl know that when Ajmal Qasab was caught, who were the first ppl to admit that he was pakistani?? A pakistani channel, and dont tell me its a lie, cuz the indian media threw the report on the pakistani governments face when they were denying the fact that the attackers were pakistani, and as for angell, claiming that all attacks we have, we balme on india, do u know that last year how many attacks our country faced, and did we ever even say out publicly that india was involved though the indian media is always quick to point the finger across the border, without any solid proof, and as for kashmir, i still say it shud be an independant country where no person has to say that he is Indian Kashmiri or Pakisani KAshmiri, where they dont face curfews and their children can play wid each other regardless od wether they r from the east or west, north or south....., and pls i respect the fact that u indians have progressed so much when compared to us, especially in education and technological fields, i believe u shudn't rub it in our faces, our country is going thru a tough period in its history and it is only wid the help of our allies and neighbours and us pakistanis that we can progress and it doesnt help the fact that one party is looking down at the other.
So pls, i only request u to unite, so that our enemies dont prosper and thus we'll help in creating a sub continent that is safe for its ppl and for the ppl of the world....
PS I'm Pakistani...
ofcourse, at least me, i'm not trying to say India is superior to Pakistan. Both countries r at different phases of development, that's it. OK, maybe u may be correct for the fact that indian media points their finger first at pakistan when something happens but the question is why? it is because so many incidents have happened that involved Let terrorists, that naturally our heads first turned in that direction.
yes ur right indian - this is a debate
and we're not land grabbers :s we believe we can do better for kashmir!
Look ppl, this is where we always go wrong
wat is the thread about?? Kashmir
Wat r we talking bout?? How we downgrade each other...
And then ppl wonder why we never get to a solution..
Face it ppl, no indian or pakistani is going to admit that the opposite is better than themselves
and who takes advantage when we fight like this- Our enemies- The ppl who kill innocent ppl, take their lives, destroy their families,and they get away wid it, and u know why, cuz of ppl like u who keep playing the blame game, and going on news stories and not seeing clearly, Do you ppl know that when Ajmal Qasab was caught, who were the first ppl to admit that he was pakistani?? A pakistani channel, and dont tell me its a lie, cuz the indian media threw the report on the pakistani governments face when they were denying the fact that the attackers were pakistani, and as for angell, claiming that all attacks we have, we balme on india, do u know that last year how many attacks our country faced, and did we ever even say out publicly that india was involved though the indian media is always quick to point the finger across the border, without any solid proof, and as for kashmir, i still say it shud be an independant country where no person has to say that he is Indian Kashmiri or Pakisani KAshmiri, where they dont face curfews and their children can play wid each other regardless od wether they r from the east or west, north or south....., and pls i respect the fact that u indians have progressed so much when compared to us, especially in education and technological fields, i believe u shudn't rub it in our faces, our country is going thru a tough period in its history and it is only wid the help of our allies and neighbours and us pakistanis that we can progress and it doesnt help the fact that one party is looking down at the other.
So pls, i only request u to unite, so that our enemies dont prosper and thus we'll help in creating a sub continent that is safe for its ppl and for the ppl of the world....
PS I'm Pakistani...
ofcourse, at least me, i'm not trying to say India is superior to Pakistan. Both countries r at different phases of development, that's it. OK, maybe u may be correct for the fact that indian media points their finger first at pakistan when something happens but the question is why? it is because so many incidents have happened that involved Let terrorists, that naturally our heads first turned in that direction.
I cant disagree wid u, even if i was there, i'd turn my head the same way, but again this is wrong, no solid proof, and we blame each other, and also godfather my friend, dou u know that how many ppl we have of forein nationalities who r causing these problems??
u might wanna see how many afghans and kazakhs are being arrested from the tribal regions in Pakistan, so its not only 'Pakistanis" comitting these inhumane acts, so just dont say Pakisatani straight away, though i still dont understand why pakistan cant monitor its borders properly
GUYZ GUYZ GUYZ....
Pointing fingers isn't the key
Pls... post some facts and the ur opinions to win this debate.... :-[
GUYZ GUYZ GUYZ....
Pointing fingers isn't the key
Pls... post some facts and the ur opinions to win this debate.... :-[
our facts don't seem correct to u...w8s the point??
India needs a maximum of three days to crush down Pakistan - and you guys know it!Ya u ppl showed ur peaceloving nature and ur strength to crush Pakistan in three days
Yet we havent
India has never ATTACKED another country in all her years - we're a peace loving people.
Your pathetic attempts at calling us stubborn, greedy land grabbers just infuriates us and fuels us to wark harder towards our purpose! :D
HAHAHAHAA.... this is all so funny... you know why? because this is the exact reason why i won the debate about what should happen to kashmir.PLEASE post comprehensively so we can reas easily and quickly n reply in time
when i had to say something, right at the end, i told everyone that the indians know the reasons why we shouldnt join pakistan, and the pakistanis know the reasons why india shouldnt take over kashmir, BUT I SEE NO REASON WHATSOEVER WHY KASHMIR SHOULDNT BE INDEPENDENT.
the thing you have to understand here is that kashmir was never part of india (pakistanis can tell you all about this, how the maharaja was from some part of india, and decided that kashmir should be with india by signing a document, while all the people in kashmir hated him, he was a dictator set in by the british, and he lived in some place in india at the time he signed the document, not kashmiri at all, note that kashmiris ARE DIFFERENT. i mean people from "J&K" kashmir)
and pakistan doesnt want kashmir anymore, i mean your president, zardari, who you all hate (pakistanis and indians) doesnt want kashmir anymore, and that is basicly why we cant join pakistan. your government treats us like a piece of **** in truth, with all your fake promises and things. i understand how you pakistanis feel, but you've got to try and look at what the truth really is, whats really happening.
and kashmir was independent before the british came to india, we had a leader and all. right now, kashmir's prime minister (yes, we have elections for ministers and chief ministers and all, under that indian article 300 something) is not very nice either. its the JKLF and all those other parties most kashmiris support (before you say its because of "ethnic cleansing" in which hindus were killed and all that other BS which your media propagates, i recommend you go find out what the truth is, what ive already posted, how the indian military took all the kashmiri hindus out of kashmir in their convoys and things). because they stand for independence.
face it, all of you indians out there. the military that your government has sent to kashmir is not nice, they do all kinds of things. look in the newspapers these days about the protests going on in kashmir, which are actually frickin huge, but which they downplay, the indian government i mean, they dont allow journalism and all. bbc has to get anything they report from inside india censored and all.
whatever. i hope you now agree that kashmir should be independent. we can fully support ourselves, thank you very much, if the indian government stopped trying to crush our economy. kashmir used to produce a type of shawl which would sell for around... $2670 a meter, which the indian government banned production of. why? the shawl is made of hairs from the neck of mountain goats, and the indian government says that "to protect wildlife, this must be stopped". they give the explanation that the mountain goats will become extinct, etc. WHAT THE HELL? its not like anyone even touches the mountain goats. the hairs are collected from bushes where they graze, one at a time and all... and then knitted and all. mountain goats were never harmed. they lie of course, because they want to make it look like kashmir needs india for economy.
we used to sell walnut furniture and papermachie, very very good quality stuff. if you play cricket, you might have heard of "kashmiri walnut bats" or kashmiri willow bats. well, now, to make these, you need a permit. and this permit, is of course, a big joke. you need the permit (which like i implied, is impossible to get) to cut down the walnut trees... but you know what? these walnut trees that are cut down are the ones that these people's grandparents grew. i mean, they cut, and plant. the huge forests and all? NONE OF THAT WAS EVER TOUCHED. it might have been by some occasional idiot, but the ones these walnut farmers cut, are grown by them.
then there's fruit. kashmir grows LOAADSSS of different types of fruits, the weather is perfect for lots of different types. cherries, apples, strawberries, peaches, plums, and so many more, banana, etc etc. i dont know all of them, but still, those were a few. then there's vegetables, of which you have raddish, tomato, lettuce, pumpkin, turnip, potato, and almost every single vegetable you can imagine, even corn (all the different things ive mentioned, except banana, grow in "my" house (i mean my grandparents' home, which is where i stay during the summer, but its kind of "ours") in the HUGE garden)... all that fruit is taxed and quota'd and all... xD not that bad, compared to banning shahtose (i dont know how to spell that..) and destroying walnut wood production... but just you watch what will happen soon to this too...
ok, i think ive shown u why and how kashmir can stand up on its own. it has an economy. a good one. selling unique things (i forgot to mention saffron, kashmiri saffron is one of the best in the world) (i also forgot to mention this new thing which is banned called "child labour"... all the other types of shawls which are made are usually made by a family, the whole family gets involved, dad reads off the pattern in his special way, son weaves it, mom washes the shawls, daughter makes the dyes, etc etc. this is how many families used to get along. then they banned "child labour". so all those beautiful shawls which used to sustain these people, their whole trade, what their great grandparent taught their grandparent to do, is now about to be lost. the last generation of these people exists in kashmir right now, not practicing their trade, having resorted to things like sweeping streets and begging, and all because of this stupid rule. stupid rule? no, just another way to stunt the growth of our economy so it looks like we need help....) (oh and tourism... dont make me start... all the money goes to some indians living in bombay or whatever, the government people, they dont allow direct flights to or from kashmir even in our new international airport (which only has two destinations: jeddah and some place in abu dhabi/dubai) all the airlines are naturally indian governement owned in the international airport, so that india gains as much as it can from tourism, all those resorts in the mountains are being taken away from their rightful owners, my grandfather owned one which he used to rent out, a beautiful house, the indian military converted it into a garrison for their troops, it has all these bombs and ammunition now, he's not allowed to go inside, etc etc. what, you think you can sue them? they OWN the government dude. please... there is no justice... you wouldnt understand)
so yea, our economy would flourish again if india stopped whatever its doing, we could become a normal country!! we already have our own flag, if you didnt know.. only if other governments stopped intefering... see this:
http://kashmir-truth-be-told.blogspot.com/
http://www.kashmirwatch.com/
or this quote, which is quite random,...
Maharaja Hari Singh had wanted Kashmir to remain independent, but merged with India in exchange for military support and the promise of a referendum on independence, which has never been held. As a result of the unresolved dispute, India and Pakistan went to war over Kashmir in 1947-48. In 1949 a UN Peacekeeping mission arrived and has remained as observers ever since. A second war was fought in 1965, leading to the peace agreement and a new cease-fire line, known as the Line of Control (LOC).
you've got to understand that we've all been put through propaganda. try to talk with ppl who know, like me. i know what happens in kashmir. no, i dont claim to know who hari singh reely was, or whatever. but i know more about whats happening in kashmir than any media can tell you,...
HAHAHAHAA.... this is all so funny... you know why? because this is the exact reason why i won the debate about what should happen to kashmir.
when i had to say something, right at the end, i told everyone that the indians know the reasons why we shouldnt join pakistan, and the pakistanis know the reasons why india shouldnt take over kashmir, BUT I SEE NO REASON WHATSOEVER WHY KASHMIR SHOULDNT BE INDEPENDENT.
the thing you have to understand here is that kashmir was never part of india (pakistanis can tell you all about this, how the maharaja was from some part of india, and decided that kashmir should be with india by signing a document, while all the people in kashmir hated him, he was a dictator set in by the british, and he lived in some place in india at the time he signed the document, not kashmiri at all, note that kashmiris ARE DIFFERENT. i mean people from "J&K" kashmir)
and pakistan doesnt want kashmir anymore, i mean your president, zardari, who you all hate (pakistanis and indians) doesnt want kashmir anymore, and that is basicly why we cant join pakistan. your government treats us like a piece of **** in truth, with all your fake promises and things. i understand how you pakistanis feel, but you've got to try and look at what the truth really is, whats really happening.
and kashmir was independent before the british came to india, we had a leader and all. right now, kashmir's prime minister (yes, we have elections for ministers and chief ministers and all, under that indian article 300 something) is not very nice either. its the JKLF and all those other parties most kashmiris support (before you say its because of "ethnic cleansing" in which hindus were killed and all that other BS which your media propagates, i recommend you go find out what the truth is, what ive already posted, how the indian military took all the kashmiri hindus out of kashmir in their convoys and things). because they stand for independence.
face it, all of you indians out there. the military that your government has sent to kashmir is not nice, they do all kinds of things. look in the newspapers these days about the protests going on in kashmir, which are actually frickin huge, but which they downplay, the indian government i mean, they dont allow journalism and all. bbc has to get anything they report from inside india censored and all.
whatever. i hope you now agree that kashmir should be independent. we can fully support ourselves, thank you very much, if the indian government stopped trying to crush our economy. kashmir used to produce a type of shawl which would sell for around... $2670 a meter, which the indian government banned production of. why? the shawl is made of hairs from the neck of mountain goats, and the indian government says that "to protect wildlife, this must be stopped". they give the explanation that the mountain goats will become extinct, etc. WHAT THE HELL? its not like anyone even touches the mountain goats. the hairs are collected from bushes where they graze, one at a time and all... and then knitted and all. mountain goats were never harmed. they lie of course, because they want to make it look like kashmir needs india for economy.
we used to sell walnut furniture and papermachie, very very good quality stuff. if you play cricket, you might have heard of "kashmiri walnut bats" or kashmiri willow bats. well, now, to make these, you need a permit. and this permit, is of course, a big joke. you need the permit (which like i implied, is impossible to get) to cut down the walnut trees... but you know what? these walnut trees that are cut down are the ones that these people's grandparents grew. i mean, they cut, and plant. the huge forests and all? NONE OF THAT WAS EVER TOUCHED. it might have been by some occasional idiot, but the ones these walnut farmers cut, are grown by them.
then there's fruit. kashmir grows LOAADSSS of different types of fruits, the weather is perfect for lots of different types. cherries, apples, strawberries, peaches, plums, and so many more, banana, etc etc. i dont know all of them, but still, those were a few. then there's vegetables, of which you have raddish, tomato, lettuce, pumpkin, turnip, potato, and almost every single vegetable you can imagine, even corn (all the different things ive mentioned, except banana, grow in "my" house (i mean my grandparents' home, which is where i stay during the summer, but its kind of "ours") in the HUGE garden)... all that fruit is taxed and quota'd and all... xD not that bad, compared to banning shahtose (i dont know how to spell that..) and destroying walnut wood production... but just you watch what will happen soon to this too...
ok, i think ive shown u why and how kashmir can stand up on its own. it has an economy. a good one. selling unique things (i forgot to mention saffron, kashmiri saffron is one of the best in the world) (i also forgot to mention this new thing which is banned called "child labour"... all the other types of shawls which are made are usually made by a family, the whole family gets involved, dad reads off the pattern in his special way, son weaves it, mom washes the shawls, daughter makes the dyes, etc etc. this is how many families used to get along. then they banned "child labour". so all those beautiful shawls which used to sustain these people, their whole trade, what their great grandparent taught their grandparent to do, is now about to be lost. the last generation of these people exists in kashmir right now, not practicing their trade, having resorted to things like sweeping streets and begging, and all because of this stupid rule. stupid rule? no, just another way to stunt the growth of our economy so it looks like we need help....) (oh and tourism... dont make me start... all the money goes to some indians living in bombay or whatever, the government people, they dont allow direct flights to or from kashmir even in our new international airport (which only has two destinations: jeddah and some place in abu dhabi/dubai) all the airlines are naturally indian governement owned in the international airport, so that india gains as much as it can from tourism, all those resorts in the mountains are being taken away from their rightful owners, my grandfather owned one which he used to rent out, a beautiful house, the indian military converted it into a garrison for their troops, it has all these bombs and ammunition now, he's not allowed to go inside, etc etc. what, you think you can sue them? they OWN the government dude. please... there is no justice... you wouldnt understand)
so yea, our economy would flourish again if india stopped whatever its doing, we could become a normal country!! we already have our own flag, if you didnt know.. only if other governments stopped intefering... see this:
http://kashmir-truth-be-told.blogspot.com/
http://www.kashmirwatch.com/
or this quote, which is quite random,...
Maharaja Hari Singh had wanted Kashmir to remain independent, but merged with India in exchange for military support and the promise of a referendum on independence, which has never been held. As a result of the unresolved dispute, India and Pakistan went to war over Kashmir in 1947-48. In 1949 a UN Peacekeeping mission arrived and has remained as observers ever since. A second war was fought in 1965, leading to the peace agreement and a new cease-fire line, known as the Line of Control (LOC).
you've got to understand that we've all been put through propaganda. try to talk with ppl who know, like me. i know what happens in kashmir. no, i dont claim to know who hari singh reely was, or whatever. but i know more about whats happening in kashmir than any media can tell you,...
actually india would be wanting take the land without the people as all r muslims they will just creat a civil war within india if kashmir joins india.
hey kidses im in kashmir now. ill try to get some pics for you. about what happens in real life.
and you. actually, all of you. stop being such... luzer bubs. seriously. stop trying to be so... read... this is what i think when i read what you say...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(logical_fallacy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Style_over_substance_fallacy
yeah. talk about what i talked about. not just some little random thing i said for no reason at all (money goes to some guy in bombay..)
and yeah. ask me for pictures. cmon. i dont think ull logon to this forum while ur on summer... i dont know why i did... just to ask what pics i shud take... so yeah. tell me what u want to see. last year was VERY bad. this year, things are starting to stir... tomorrow is a strike thing, where everyone is supposed to stay inside. voluntarily. ill take pictures and show you. shops closed and all... no vehicles... right now im at my cousin's... so... yeah.
oh my god. just rememberd. dont have my phone anymore... xD
will have to get it some other way...
dude tht guys was a spammer nd was banned.... he doesnt live in kashmir ..
did nid404 quote him ?Loll yes
lol man check the post ... i was talking abt rfi ...
man wats rong with u ?
y do u jump on me ?
is ny post of mine saying i banned him ..?
he was baaned when i was not active bcoz he wascheating nd stuff...
u dnt need to tell me wat i havto do ..
no offence
WTF??? who deleted my posts?Oh yes!! it is deleted!!!!
yes he did i hav his pm abt asking me to not bleive other admins..
u need to get ur facts right panther ...
but his pms say otherwise ....
nyways no big ....
bcoz he was banned i jsut told nid404 to maybe not xpect tru answers....
:)
i have no idea. maybe it helps the person who asked them, somehow? i think that was nid...
i have no idea. maybe it helps the person who asked them, somehow? i think that was nid...
she asked those ques bcuz she thot ur a kashmiri who actually lives in kashmir
i have no idea. maybe it helps the person who asked them, somehow? i think that was nid...
she asked those ques bcuz she thot ur a kashmiri who actually lives in kashmir
yup panther got it...i thought u live in Kashmir. Undoubtedly u have a lavish lifestyle and u enjoy ur life to the fullest....It's good to know the that ur not a complete 'racist'.....cuz that is how u spoke(ill) abt Indians...pleased to know u don't hate ppl from diff religions.....it's great to know ur mom's a doc but not great to know she doesn't practice it.....
Yet again u r bewildering......Are u kashmiri or what??? U hold a british passport...and ur dad votes in Kashmiri elections....whatever...u r having a good life and not 'suffering' as u say kashmiris are......but i am certainly clear abt one thing...You have no clear picture of India or Kashmir for that matter....i am sorry to say
It's not a war guys....we're only debating...don't worry...it's better to lock this topic actually..i said that previously but no one ever got it....when u r not indian,pakistani or kashmiri..u don't understand the sensitivity of the issue....it hurts the sentiments of the ppl..
It's not a war guys....we're only debating...don't worry...it's better to lock this topic actually..i said that previously but no one ever got it....when u r not indian,pakistani or kashmiri..u don't understand the sensitivity of the issue....it hurts the sentiments of the ppl..
i totally agree with u :)
It's not a war guys....we're only debating...don't worry...it's better to lock this topic actually..i said that previously but no one ever got it....when u r not indian,pakistani or kashmiri..u don't understand the sensitivity of the issue....it hurts the sentiments of the ppl..
i totally agree with u :)
Thanx....and i will send u some more ppts tom