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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: Freaked12 on July 02, 2010, 07:02:30 pm
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Certain novels like twilight, Lord of the rings, house of the night etc have characters which are perfect in every sense..i.e they are intelligent, they can do stuff which nobody else can and girls fall madly in love easily with these guys.When You read them, it makes you feel inferior in alot of ways.
What is your opinion on these type of books
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hmmm when u sed 'think the unthinkable' i thought more of something like 'does god really exist?'
thankfully, i can always remember that no matter how wonderful/perfect a character is, the more inferior it makes it as a personality...people are imperfect and in that lies our true perfection...sounds like im contradicting myself, right? *sweats*
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hmmm when u sed 'think the unthinkable' i thought more of something like 'does god really exist?'
thankfully, i can always remember that no matter how wonderful/perfect a character is, the more inferior it makes it as a personality...people are imperfect and in that lies our true perfection...sounds like im contradicting myself, right? *sweats*
My God.
Wait i am still stunned you could be so serious
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HAHAHAHAHA! I like ;D
Twilight sucks ::)
I don't really read such kind of books...so well..i can't say much
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I don't like them.. They are kinda made by keeping girls and kids in view...
But banning a thing because you don't like it... is accepting its supremacy...
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I don't like them.. They are kinda made by keeping girls and kids in view...
But banning a thing because you don't like it... is accepting its supremacy...
No..they are made for all types of people.
they are very well written books but they make you depressed. :'(
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ARSENAL! AT LEAST TRY TO ACT LIKE THATS A GOOD THING!! HERE I WAS WAXING PHILOSOPHICAL AND THEN U GO AN KILL IT!! *collects remains of philosophy*
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ARSENAL! AT LEAST TRY TO ACT LIKE THATS A GOOD THING!! HERE I WAS WAXING PHILOSOPHICAL AND THEN U GO AN KILL IT!! *collects remains of philosophy*
LOL.
hahahaha.
Apologies
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i dont think there's any point in banning them. theyre all just works of fiction...have any of u read a miserablist (i think thats how its spelt) novel? now THAT is depressing.
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But I know people who fall in love with these characters....very stupid
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yes i know... i can side with them but not fall in love with them... its falling in love with paper and ink in the end...
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I always got Jealous of Edward :P :P.
Made me angry towards God for making me like this
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Gosh! ::)
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I got over it though
i started reading horror. EXORCIST... and Love novels.Realistic ones <3
;D
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I prefer realistic ones too...
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dont! god made u perfect in ur own way.
edward on the other hand is so perfect its disgusting...what kind of personality is that?
a crap personality, i tell u.
im happy with the way i am although i could wish i was like someone else...somebody more 'perfect'... but how does that make them better if im already perfect in my own way?
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dont! god made u perfect in ur own way.
edward on the other hand is so perfect its disgusting...what kind of personality is that?
a crap personality, i tell u.
im happy with the way i am although i could wish i was like someone else...somebody more 'perfect'... but how does that make them better if im already perfect in my own way?
that was a STUNNER.
Even Alpha would be proud of You.
*Claps*
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dont! god made u perfect in ur own way.
edward on the other hand is so perfect its disgusting...what kind of personality is that?
a crap personality, i tell u.
im happy with the way i am although i could wish i was like someone else...somebody more 'perfect'... but how does that make them better if im already perfect in my own way?
Perfect in your own way.
What if that way pisses the hell out of others and makes you outcast of the society.
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why should u care for a society or care to be accepted by a society that is pissed off at u anyways? ur a free human, and shouldnt care wat ppl think...for u are perfect.
everyone is equal. who decides on who is acceptable or not? someone i care not to know.
the perfection everybody imagines is, but imagination. i doubt there could ever be someone like edward cullen in real life. i dont even think that the portrayal of edward is too great either.
im kinda exhausted right now... #_#
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why should u care for a society or care to be accepted by a society that is pissed off at u anyways? ur a free human, and shouldnt care wat ppl think...for u are perfect.
everyone is equal. who decides on who is acceptable or not? someone i care not to know.
the perfection everybody imagines is, but imagination. i doubt there could ever be someone like edward cullen in real life. i dont even think that the portrayal of edward is too great either.
im kinda exhausted right now... #_#
I will debate with tomorrow then .
Have a nice sleep
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thanks arsenal...g'night...
(u really wore me out)
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thanks arsenal...g'night...
(u really wore me out)
You have no idea woman.what you got yourself into :P
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now im even more worn out...ghana lost. good god in heaven.
my spirit is broken...
that was an exaggeration.
-_- <- thats wat i look like right now.
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now im even more worn out...ghana lost. good god in heaven.
my spirit is broken...
that was an exaggeration.
-_- <- thats wat i look like right now.
i watch Mr Bean and american pie when i am -_-.Will That Help :P :P
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i watch Mr Bean and american pie when i am -_-.Will That Help :P :P
You watch American pie?
That seriously demeans your stature in my eyes.
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kay, ill try... thanks, man. *tries to muster a smile but fails* but seriously, thanks.
id better get some sleep.
good night guys
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You watch American pie?
That seriously demeans your stature in my eyes.
Not my fault that fun loves me so much. :P
Why does it offend you?
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American pie is said to be a pornographic and adult film, for the people who cannot hold in their desires.
I look at the people who watch it with disgrace, because it is simply something that advocates lewdness.
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American pie is said to be a pornographic and adult film, for the people who cannot hold in their desires.
I look at the people who watch it with disgrace, because it is simply something that advocates lewdness.
You should learn to accommodate every one's view.
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It is a art.It is not some made up Mumbo Jumbo, it is who we really are.
Freedom and art have been used to excuse pornography for decades now. Even there is an internet domain for pornography now. That was the very final nail on decency. And now, people who call themselves descent are coined conservative.
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Freedom and art have been used to excuse pornography for decades now. Even there is an internet domain for pornography now. That was the very final nail on decency. And now, people who call themselves descent are coined conservative.
Some of the finest pieces of Art by Michaelangelo, Bernini, Raphael , Leonardo , Albert Duerer were pornographic in nature.
yet we celebrate them now.
Whats your point?
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off topic
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that was a STUNNER.
Even Alpha would be proud of You.
*Claps*
Strange when I see my nick in Debates when I'm not here.
Maybeit, I'm proud of you. :P :D
Seriously, I find nothing attractive in Edward.
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Some of the finest pieces of Art by Michaelangelo, Bernini, Raphael , Leonardo , Albert Duerer were pornographic in nature.
yet we celebrate them now.
Whats your point?
You silenced him.. ::)
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Pornography of the past is not at all similar to that of the present.
Before it was violence, not it's outright crime.
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Pornography of the past is not at all similar to that of the present.
Before it was violence, not it's outright crime.
Depends on the person. Depends on whether the person thinks sex as a bad thing.. ::)
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Most of them like to try what has never been. Depends on time if thoughts depend on it.
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Most of them like to try what has never been. Depends on time if thoughts depend on it.
So you mean it is bad? ::)
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Where lies a good, is a bad too.
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Where lies a good, is a bad too.
So you mean, it would've been better if humans reproduced like amoeba? ::)
1-2-4-...... ::)
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So you mean, it would've been better if humans reproduced like amoeba? ::)
1-2-4-...... ::)
Seems like you didn't have breakfast today. ::)
Being way too far self-contradictory. ::)
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Seems like you didn't have breakfast today. ::)
Being way too far self-contradictory. ::)
Tell me how. ::)
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Tell me how. ::)
If everybody turns to pornography-- where they don't use contraceptives-- practically speaking, we'll then have a population of amoeba.
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If everybody turns to pornography-- where they don't use contraceptives-- practically speaking, we'll then have a population of amoeba.
Lol.. :D :D This is getting weird.. ::)
Who said people don't use contraceptives ? ::)
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Wayyyy off topic...
Edward has never interested me...I've never read any of the books
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Lol.. :D :D This is getting weird.. ::)
Who said people don't use contraceptives ? ::)
Who said??
You ought update your knowledge. That's not a film industry like others, it's a dump area.
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Yeah, strange how people live in what they read in books, and watch on screen.
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THANK YOU ALPHA! im pooped out right now, so u keep the battle going :P
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Come-well. ;)
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gosh how would edward be unthinkable..and like a good no. of members here..i TOO HATE twilight..i find it totaly soppy and mushy and ew..
but unthinkable? unthinkable i thought more or less is abt sth new radical..whether right or wrong...edward is so totaly predictable..that whole story is so so predictable! *glad i never read any*
infact i dont think any of the novels would bring about anythin UNTHINKABLE...cz the writers are getin inspired from daily life and the ppl around them..so basicaly a novels a set of thoughts views concepts an author admires and presents in her own way.fr eg. harry potter..whoa...how awesome it is...its not the magical settin shes got fr her books..its the spirit...harry's fights...the fact that he never wanted to b that leader..o hero o whatever but he had to be...n then so many things he never asked fr which he got..all that is so normal...anyone would feel that way..when theyd have their parents killed..when theyd b called a lier althou their SO NOT that (in the 5th part)..how any normal person would feel after seein his own friend die in front of him like cedrics death!!
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i agree. although hogwarts and wizards isnt the most realistic thing to write about, she makes it seem so. i love it because harry has weaknesses as do all the rest of the characters. they're so human.
DOWN WITH TWILIGHT!! DOOOOWWNN!!
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As long as there is a demand for those novels (people are willing to buy it and have the money to), they should not be banned. Because banning them will mean big titles like Harry Potter and businesses to be bankrupt, which is simply not acceptable. As long as something has a perceived value in the eyes of people, it should go on. Some will consider it unethical or unrealistic, but thats what the people want. Its up to them if they want to purchase it or not. Take an example, FIFA world cup is unnecessary if viewed on a strict perspective. It does not help to eradicate poverty or tackle any serious issue. So, how many of you agree that it should be banned?
And pornographic websites and materials are alright, given that the website or DVD prints an age warning over it. After all, the reason behind this is defined already above, the perceived value of something. If it is legal in a country, why ban it and destroy potential? We even have debates on what should be considered pornographic! Some would say the image of a girl wearing a decent short skirt is pornographic (even models wearing short dresses!). And for others, only nude pictures are considered pornographic. But this is NOT to say that child pornography is okay.
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novel-addicts like me dont have a choice.
We just buy
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Pornography of the past is not at all similar to that of the present.
Before it was violence, not it's outright crime.
You should research a bit more in renaissance era. In the beginning, meaning talking about the emergence of Bernini era women were still considered slaves. Kind of like Saudi Arabia of today.
So when Gian Bernini designed Ecstasy of St. Theresa ( a saint shown having a orgasm thinking it was by some angel) it was like making a bikini-clad woman in middle of Jeddah (saudi Arabia)
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So pornography of past is same as of today
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You should research a bit more in renaissance era. In the beginning, meaning talking about the emergence of Bernini era women were still considered slaves. Kind of like Saudi Arabia of today.
So when Gian Bernini designed Ecstasy of St. Theresa ( a saint shown having a orgasm thinking it was by some angel) it was like making a bikini-clad woman in middle of Jeddah (saudi Arabia)
Nice. You are well informed. :P Wait... +rep will be coming for ya... :)
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Nice. You are well informed. :P Wait... +rep will be coming for ya... :)
I feel honored you gave me the compliment.
You are my role model here :P
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You are my role model here :P
For what? ::)
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For what? ::)
Knowledge and insight into all kinds of subjects
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Knowledge and insight into all kinds of subjects
Lol. So what are ya doing? ::) Pming someone? ::)
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Lol. So what are ya doing? ::) Pming someone? ::)
She aint on.
I was just asking your friend nid of something..Personal :P :P
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She aint on.
But you and her have a fixed schedule.. ::) :P
I was just asking your friend nid of something..Personal :P :P
And why should I care abt that? ::)
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But you and her have a fixed schedule.. ::) :P
And why should I care abt that? ::)
LAUGHING MY A** OFF...bahahaha.
I sensed something . Is that wrong?
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I sensed something . Is that wrong?
What did you sense? ::)
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What did you sense? ::)
I am reading too much garwood Novels :'( :'(.
Help me.
I see love everywhere even in the Al-Qaeda :'(
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I am reading too much garwood Novels :'( :'(.
Help me.
I see love everywhere even in the Al-Qaeda :'(
Stop reading those puky books!! Go and watch american pie!!
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Why didnt i think of it before.
*Punches the mirror*
Yallah, i am off..Take care. Role model , my cyber bro .
LOL
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Why didnt i think of it before.
*Punches the mirror*
Yallah, i am off..Take care. Role model , my cyber bro .
LOL
Lol. :P Go and read some mangas. They are good.
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gahh u guys massacred the topic...it died a terrible death...
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I was just asking your friend nid of something..Personal :P :P
Why am I being this-cussed ??? ::)
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gahh u guys massacred the topic...it died a terrible death...
So my reply to you was.
You said I shouldnt care what others thought of me.
You like being alone and cut off from the society?
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Why am I being this-cussed ??? ::)
Don't know.. ::) Ask Arsenal.. ::)
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u shouldnt care that ur cut off from a society that does not appreciate u. its not very fun being lonely but its better than being accepted for something ur not. u wont know where u stand, that way. besides, its a big world. out of six billion plus ppl there must be at least three who u can get along with well. am i right? xena! back me up over here!
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u shouldnt care that ur cut off from a society that does not appreciate u. its not very fun being lonely but its better than being accepted for something ur not. u wont know where u stand, that way. besides, its a big world. out of six billion plus ppl there must be at least three who u can get along with well. am i right? xena! back me up over here!
Whoa!!! Otakus FTW!! :P :P
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u shouldnt care that ur cut off from a society that does not appreciate u. its not very fun being lonely but its better than being accepted for something ur not. u wont know where u stand, that way. besides, its a big world. out of six billion plus ppl there must be at least three who u can get along with well. am i right? xena! back me up over here!
My real self is rotten to the core..Probably represented by my friends.
I try really hard to flow with the civilized word but it goes wrong at some point.
And it is disastrous ..dude.
I have nervous breakdowns quite often :P
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I don't have many friends :/ I have more friends(i assume..or rather like to assume) on the internet
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but ur real self is not rotten. its so perfectly Arsenal<3. unless u disagree?
@kratos: yez yez i know *adjusts glasses smugly*
@xena: i only have a few friends at school, but i have my entire life ahead of me. im sure ill meet i whole city's worth of friends by the time it ends...whenever that is.
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I don't have many friends :/ I have more friends(i assume..or rather like to assume) on the internet
I will keeel anyone who hurts yOu.
Did i take 20 friend;s places in One :P :P :P :P
LOL
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but ur real self is not rotten. its so perfectly Arsenal<3. unless u disagree?
@kratos: yez yez i know *adjusts glasses smugly*
@xena: i only have a few friends at school, but i have my entire life ahead of me. im sure ill meet i whole city's worth of friends by the time it ends...whenever that is.
I didnt understand :P
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I will keeel anyone who hurts yOu.
Did i take 20 friend;s places in One :P :P :P :P
LOL
Whoaa!! You sure did ;D <3
Kratos, learn something! ::)
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wat didnt u understand?
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Whoaa!! You sure did ;D <3
Kratos, learn something! ::)
He even loves Al-Qaeda.. ::) :P
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wat didnt u understand?
Your first sentence
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He even loves Al-Qaeda.. ::) :P
Izzat right ? :o
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wat i meant was, how do you judge that your real self is rotten? according to wat standards? everybodys'? but everybody is not you
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everybody is unique
u may be not be good in front of some ppl
but u will be in front of some other ppl
and also no one has a rotten self > its just one's thinking
we all got some downturns .. but doesnt mean we aint good
nobody is perfect ::)
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everybody is unique
u may be not be good in front of some ppl
but u will be in front of some other ppl
and also no one has a rotten self > its just one's thinking
we all got some downturns .. but doesnt mean we aint good
nobody is perfect ::)
Nobody is in this forum... ::)
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Nobody is in this forum... ::)
lol... but u knw what i actually MEAN ;D
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Izzat right ? :o
I see them as revolutionaries. Like Simon Bolivar, Che Guerrero, Fidel Castro, Stalin, Mao, Napolean , King Arthur etc
And clearly all of them were war like
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wat i meant was, how do you judge that your real self is rotten? according to wat standards? everybodys'? but everybody is not you
Nice.
But th&n again.It all comes back to square one. There are a set of norms every body follows to stay with the civilization and that i have trouble accepting it
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HAPPY GAY CELEBRATION FRONT 40 ANNIVERSARY
Is there any lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender on SF. ::) LOL
BOOOOOOOOOOOM
i hope not :D
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HAIL GAYS!!!!
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I see them as revolutionaries. Like Simon Bolivar, Che Guerrero, Fidel Castro, Stalin, Mao, Napolean , King Arthur etc
And clearly all of them were war like
revolutionaries? U kiddin' me right? They are terrorists. War is not the solution..ppl will nvr realize
you would know if you lost your loved ones in their ghastly terror attacks...
Lord save the world!
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HAPPY GAY CELEBRATION FRONT 40 ANNIVERSARY
Is there any lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender on SF. ::) LOL
BOOOOOOOOOOOM
Please do not ask such questions over here. Focus on the debate.
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revolutionaries? U kiddin' me right? They are terrorists. War is not the solution..ppl will nvr realize
you would know if you lost your loved ones in their ghastly terror attacks...
Lord save the world!
That was stupid I know. I would only realize true pain when i myself lose a loved one in a terrorist attack yet i open My History book and i see South American states getting independence from Spain with the Help of Simon Bolivar due to Ambush Attacks by Bolivar and his cohorts on Spanish Supply chain.
Or saudi Arabia getting independence from Ottoman empire due to wars declared by Al-Saud against the ruling sheikh?
Or the fact that to get rid of French corrupt system there was a revolution In france causing death of Hundreds of Thousands of people
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That was stupid I know. I would only realize true pain when i myself lose a loved one in a terrorist attack yet i open My History book and i see South American states getting independence from Spain with the Help of Simon Bolivar due to Ambush Attacks by Bolivar and his cohorts on Spanish Supply chain.
Or saudi Arabia getting independence from Ottoman empire due to wars declared by Al-Saud against the ruling sheikh?
Or the fact that to get rid of French corrupt system there was a revolution In france causing death of Hundreds of Thousands of people
Killing of innocent civilians is not justified...whatever the reason may be.Period.
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Killing of innocent civilians is not justified...whatever the reason may be.Period.
Sacrifices must be made for the greater good :P
AMERICAN PIE
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AMERICAN PIE
GO DIE :P JK JK
How r u brother? :)
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GO DIE :P JK JK
How r u brother? :)
i will talk on pms.Stylish will delete the posts again :P
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i will talk on pms.Stylish will delete the posts again :P
Not if they aren't out for asking silly questions.
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As long as there is a demand for those novels (people are willing to buy it and have the money to), they should not be banned. Because banning them will mean big titles like Harry Potter and businesses to be bankrupt, which is simply not acceptable. As long as something has a perceived value in the eyes of people, it should go on. Some will consider it unethical or unrealistic, but thats what the people want. Its up to them if they want to purchase it or not. Take an example, FIFA world cup is unnecessary if viewed on a strict perspective. It does not help to eradicate poverty or tackle any serious issue. So, how many of you agree that it should be banned?
And pornographic websites and materials are alright, given that the website or DVD prints an age warning over it. After all, the reason behind this is defined already above, the perceived value of something. If it is legal in a country, why ban it and destroy potential? We even have debates on what should be considered pornographic! Some would say the image of a girl wearing a decent short skirt is pornographic (even models wearing short dresses!). And for others, only nude pictures are considered pornographic. But this is NOT to say that child pornography is okay.
Anyone up against my points here?
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no sir. *backs off*
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nope
agree with u
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has anyone actually read a book that really makes u think the unthinkable?
not makes u depressed cuz the characters are cooler than u or watever... something really unthinkable, something terrible?
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has anyone actually read a book that really makes u think the unthinkable?
not makes u depressed cuz the characters are cooler than u or watever... something really unthinkable, something terrible?
some do make me think of the unthinkable...but thats only till im reading the book
i usually forget about those so-called unthinkable stuff afterwards..because i KNOW these are unreal.
and im reading it just because they r enjoying to read
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some do make me think of the unthinkable...but thats only till im reading the book
i usually forget about those so-called unthinkable stuff afterwards..because i KNOW these are unreal.
and im reading it just because they r enjoying to read
To the point.Thankyou. 8)
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Books with 'perfect' characters shouldn't be banned (I, for one, am a big fan of the impeccable Faramir of the Lord of the Rings books), it's the people who are obsessed past the normal limit who should be punished by a slap in the face with a hardcover edition of their favourite books. :P
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if i were supposed to comment on the actual thing asked here that is Should the novels which force the readers to think the unthinkable be banned? than i would say a big NO..!!
'cause this is what you call fiction if people like reading fiction like to stay in fantasy world it's all their wish we can not ban it you must be knowing about DAN BROWN he writes all fiction books still his books have always been a best-seller that means people like it so no need of banning these books..:)
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People are happy cuz they get a chance to imagine fantasies depicted by the novels. If they are banned people are likely to be less happier.
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Novels should make people think unthinkable things. It is part of their purpose.
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Novels should make people think unthinkable things. It is part of their purpose.
I agree. Fame it's called fantasy/fiction books *i LUB dragons all thanks to such books. so y would i want such books to be banned :D :D lol *