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Teachers and Students => Debates => Topic started by: @d!_†oX!© on April 11, 2010, 09:31:25 am
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Okay guys, here's a new topic for a classic debate.
"Reservation for women"
If you guys do not have knowledge of what this exactly is then lemme tell you the crux of the story -
Women's reservations Women get 33% reservation in gram panchayat (meaning village assembly, which is a form of local village government) and municipal elections. There is a long-term plan to extend this reservation to parliament and legislative assemblies. In addition, women in India get reservation or preferential treatments in education and jobs. Certain men consider this preferential treatment of women in India as discrimination against them in admissions to schools, colleges, and universities. For instance, several law schools in India have a 30% reservation for females. Progressive political opinion in India is strongly in favor of providing preferential treatment to women in order to create a level playing field for all of its citizens.
The Women's reservation Bill was passed by the Rajya Sabha on 9 March 2010 by a majority vote of 186 members in favor and 1 against.It will now go to the Lok Sabha, and if passed there, would be implemented.
Guys this has been in the news for about a decade in india and now it is being highlighted to an even greater extent.
What are your views about it? Please do give a reason for your viewpoint.
So let's start guys..Bring it on!
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Nice topic...
Yes, to an extent there should be a reservation. Maybe I sound a hypocrite, cause in the earlier debates I said men n women should have equal rights.
So, I do have reasons for this contradiction....and well most developing countries would agree.
Asked by a member of the audience as to what the Indian government was doing to cut population, Kalam said priority was being given to women's education as it has been found that if women were educated it is possible to keep the size of the family small.
He said a few states of India were contributing to the increase in percentage of population and what was needed is women's education.
Research suggests that having more women lawmakers makes a huge difference, not just to women, but to society as a whole especially in poor countries. In Rwanda, for instance, a much-needed law that defines rape and protects victims of sexual abuse was passed only after women legislators became a force to reckon with. Their male counterparts saw the subject as taboo. (Rwanda, incidentally, is the first country in the world where women are in a majority in Parliament).
The fact is more than sixty years after independence women are among the most deprived sections of Indian society. In law, the Indian woman has few equals in the world. The Indian Constitution, unlike many others, gave equal rights to women as to men right from day one. In every respect she is on par with the Indian man. But only on paper!
In reality, the picture could not be more different. On almost every human development indicator, women trail not just their male counterparts but also women in neighbouring countries; countries that are not only poorer but cannot boast of so many women at the helm of affairs: a president, a chief minister and a powerful political leader at the centre.
Take, for instance, maternal mortality rates. Deaths during childbirth in India are way above the S Asia average. In Sri Lanka almost all births take place in institutions; in India this number is below 40%. Again, poorest women in Bangladesh have 72 % the health coverage of the richest; in Pakistan the comparable figure is 63 % but in India the number drops to 55% in urban areas and just 37 % in rural areas.
Various political parties have staunchly opposed it because they fear many of their male leaders would not get a chance to fight elections if 33.3 percent seats are reserved for women. The Bill has also been opposed by politicians from the socially and economically backward classes. They argue that reservation would only help women of the elitist groups to gain seats, therefore causing further discrimination and under-representation to the poor and backward classes. But the backward classes in India already have reservations waiting for them in the best institutes across the country.What more?
Women empowerment is what this country needs....And I shall support it
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I agree that there should be reservation for women in jobs (esp. in the public sector) and in other cases.
But I don't agree that there should be reservations in the parliament seats. Here in Bangladesh, we have 15% women in the parliament I think. From what I can see, they perform poorly compared to their male counterparts.
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@adi nice topic..!!
i totally agree that there should be seats for women everywhere in all fields including parliament.
@stylish haven't you heard about SONIA GANDHI do you really think women are poor at working when it comes to parliament even PRATIBHA PATIL she is our president..!!
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@stylish- gender bias...much? We have a lot of efficient women in India and their work is potent and appreciated
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I'm not advocating that there should be no reservations for women. Just that they shouldn't be for the parliament.
Maybe, maybe, they're efficient in India. But not here. Not to any notable extent.
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I'm not advocating that there should be no reservations for women. Just that they shouldn't be for the parliament.
Maybe, maybe, They are definitely efficient in India. But not here. Not to any notable extent.
So, basically, women in Bangladesh may not be getting what they want.....their male counterparts may be interfering with their decisions....Ever thought abt this....some things don't come out in the open....somethings the public doesn't knw....they jst make up their mind
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i agree nid this problem is everywhere that women are not given their rights or are not allowed to interfere in political decisions we had all this in India too but now we have overcomed all this and i think everyone should overcome this serious issue.
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WOMEN ARE WAY MORE EFFICIENT THEN MEN !!!
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WOMEN ARE WAY MORE EFFICIENT THEN MEN !!!
You're pickin on borakk agn....U brave fella :D
Ur this one guy who respects and admires woman...I like that :)
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WOMEN ARE WAY MORE EFFICIENT THEN MEN !!!
dat's true..!!
@nid agree to you about ari..!!
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i agree nid this problem is everywhere that women are not given their rights or are not allowed to interfere in political decisions we had all this in India too but now we have overcomed all this and i think everyone should overcome this serious issue.
Well yes it is to some extent coming to india...i mean at least for business and everything women are becoming a crucial part but still i hate the fact dt in the govt matters...women are only "reserved" on paper but not in practice...i hope this agreement helps them implement stuff that is already on paper.
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Nid and angel of love: if women are not allowed to take 'decisions' freely without the interference of any male, why should they be given the power to be a member of the parliament BY RESERVATION (yes that means she has no proof of skill of authority and skill to take over the decision concerning the running of a country)?
Its ok if they get to be a member of the parliament by PROVING their skills, but definitely not by something blunt like reservation.
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This is the way I see it. For the last 3 million years men have ruled society, set its rules and governed over everything.
We men have FAILED DRASTICALLY !! We've messed up the world so badly ! 2 World wars, the nuclear bomb etc.
Why not let women sit in the driving seat ? Maybe they can do better (of course they can !). Except its just male ego that comes in between.
Remember how long it took before women were allowed to vote ?
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I have no objection to women sitting in parliaments. But definitely not through something as blunt as 'reservation' of seats for them. If they have the ABILITY to handle stuffs and take decisions, they should sit. But the phrase 'through reservation' implies that they should have their seats 'reserved' in parliaments, whether they have the skills and ability to make decisions or not. Of course, this is not acceptable.
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But in countries like India, where there is height of corruption,where people like Kiran Bedi are not allowed to rise up...can you really expect normal women standing u for themselves in a society where all the other men are just waiting to crush you down!! It's probably very easy to say that there should be no reservation but i don't think all those people currently sitting in the parliament are fools..they must have given it a though too..
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only I have voted against... :( :( :o
I don't think that there should be reservations for Women.
Reason 1. If women are given reservation, it will decrease the opportunity of the people who have the TALENT.
Reason 2. We say that men and women are equal ....then WHY THIS RESERVATION???
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only I have voted against... :( :( :o
I don't think that there should be reservations for Women.
Reason 1. If women are given reservation, it will decrease the opportunity of the people who have the TALENT.
Reason 2. We say that men and women are equal ....then WHY THIS RESERVATION???
Point 1....yes maybe
point2 - I have given the reasons why
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only I have voted against... :( :( :o
Thats because most of em are 'gals' ::) ::) :P
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But in countries like India, where there is height of corruption,where people like Kiran Bedi are not allowed to rise up...can you really expect normal women standing u for themselves in a society where all the other men are just waiting to crush you down!! It's probably very easy to say that there should be no reservation but i don't think all those people currently sitting in the parliament are fools..they must have given it a though too..
Some degree of reservation of seats in the parliament is necessary, for example, 5%. BUT the number should be less. This is because, 'reserving' the seats for women will create a good image of India or any other country, that it encourages women participation in the parliament. Surely, this will improve the international image of the country concerned.
I'm rephrasing why the reservation should not form a majority of the seats in the parliament:
I have no objection to women sitting in parliaments. But definitely not through something as blunt as 'reservation' of seats for them. If they have the ABILITY to handle stuffs and take decisions, they should sit. But the phrase 'through reservation' implies that they should have their seats 'reserved' in parliaments, whether they have the skills and ability to make decisions or not. Of course, this is not acceptable.
Judging the 'votes' and ability of the candidate is far better than 'reservation' and it also ensures that people of the right ability get to sit in the parliament.
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You're pickin on borakk agn....U brave fella :D
Ur this one guy who respects and admires woman...I like that :)
dat's true..!!
@nid agree to you about ari..!!
I am glad you think of me like that. I have great respect for what I believe to be the stronger sex.
Where would we all be without women ? In my opinion us men have messed up this world for far too long. Time to take the back seat and let the women of this world rule over. I wouldn't mind a female prime minister....
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Another point.
I feel Indian politics is becoming distorted with ministers running around to further their own agendas and not looking out for the people.
Look at that IPL incident recently. I forget his name but some politican used his influence to get 2 more teams entered into the IPL.
Sad.
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yeah tharoor guy...uff
But I also blame the media here
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yeah tharoor guy...uff
But I also blame the media here
In what way ? I dont watch Indian News channels.... they are more drama than real news. All the sound effects and music in the background make them seem like bad hollywood action movies.
I prefer the BBC and CNN
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They lay too much emphasis on things like that..
I prefer BBC too...but national new is imp, we watch times now here
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They lay too much emphasis on things like that..
I prefer BBC too...but national new is imp, we watch times now here
Yeah, that is one of the better news channels. NDTV too (sort off).
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We are talking about whether seats or positions should be reserved for women.
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We are talking about whether seats or positions should be reserved for women.
yup srry for the digression :(
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We are talking about whether seats or positions should be reserved for women.
Oh yes. forgive my digression.
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yup srry for the digression :(
Woah. We ended our sentences with the same words.
JINX !! Let us refrain from further banal banter or Stylish may eject us from this invigorating discussion.
PS: I am practicing for my EFL exam; if you haven't noticed. :P NOtice the big words ?? ;D
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Ah, its ok.
First we must understand what 'reservation' means. Its a form of quota. Reserving seats will mean that the recruiters will be forced to fill up these positions with women, whereas, there may be many male candidates with better abilities. Everybody will agree with me that its better to fill up a certain position with the person with better ability or experience. If a woman has that its ok and she should be considered for the position. But reservation means that she will be 'filled up' for that position, regardless of her skill and ability, which is definitely not acceptable.
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Well, it's not like we don't have enough competent women in our country who would want to participate in politics...so it might not have to be just filled for the sake of it like u said
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You may have women competent in politics. But don't select them by reservation of seats for women. Select them by vote or poll, just as every MP is selected, which takes into account people's preference. If you select by reservation, you'll be forcing people to vote for woman candidates, when there may be better male candidates in the area concerned.