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Obama's decision to interfere in the activities of the investment banks? Excuse me, there HAS to be a little intervention even in a market economy which is JUSTIFIED. It was to prevent investment banks to maintain a very low liquidity ratio which was the cause of the recession. The regulation will be lifted when situations relax a bit. This is perfectly justified for obvious reasons. Some Americans who are against are only the shareholders of the investment banks actually.

Communism countries trade with only a FEW CLOSE economies, not with the whole world. Surely, they do not have the same comparative advantage as the market ones who trade with the whole world. You need to know economics better to understand what comparative advantage really is. And is Russia's economic situation better? I laughed that one and a half billion is a BIG trade! Its too and very small a figure. See the figures of other small countries, even Bangladesh. So, better know more before laughing!

China is not government controlled. It is moving away from this. Read the article I posted well.

About the US issue, I already said why. The US economic situation will get much better, eventually. Don't be so pessimistic. Have patience. In 1929, the situation was like this actually. What happened? Everything BOOMED. We are so much richer.

About the inequality, I already explained why it is JUSTIFIED.

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Obama's decision to interfere in the activities of the investment banks? Excuse me, there HAS to be a little intervention even in a market economy which is JUSTIFIED. It was to prevent investment banks to maintain a very low liquidity ratio which was the cause of the recession. The regulation will be lifted when situations relax a bit. This is perfectly justified for obvious reasons. Some Americans who are against are only the shareholders of the investment banks actually.

Communism countries trade with only a FEW CLOSE economies, not with the whole world. Surely, they do not have the same comparative advantage as the market ones who trade with the whole world. You need to know economics better to understand what comparative advantage really is. And is Russia's economic situation better? I laughed that one and a half billion is a BIG trade! Its too and very small a figure. See the figures of other small countries, even Bangladesh. So, better know more before laughing!

China is not government controlled. It is moving away from this. Read the article I posted well.

About the US issue, I already said why. The US economic situation will get much better, eventually. Don't be so pessimistic. Have patience. In 1929, the situation was like this actually. What happened? Everything BOOMED. We are so much richer.

About the inequality, I already explained why it is JUSTIFIED.


You need to understand the Geo-Politics of 1950s 1960s and 1970s. Back then, Almost whole of North Africa, middle east (after some time) India , Viet Cong, North Korea and China were trading among themselves

YOU NEED to understand Geo-politics before going for economics.I got A star in Business studies.

OBVOIUSLY NO ECONOMY CAN BE 100 PERCENT CONTROLLED OR FREE MARKET COS THAT WOULD BE INSANE.
China is still on a very extreme end of Closed economy end. There's a reason why millions and billionairs are so few in number. Also, if you are a company operating in China you wont probably want to disturb the Government.
Recently Hackers sponsored by Chinese Government itself did 7 attacks on Google.com to steal its source code..

Your point . i will get back to you

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America was the only country that boomed.

England and France all suffered extreme recession and unemployment.I dont agree with situation of American economy going better.
We have to understand how the global demand of Dollar will prevail in future issues. If China or Saudi Arabia decide to Stop trading in US Dollars we might as well be seeing a Collapse of US economy.
Security issues have to be taken into consideration.


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here are reasons why Interference by the Government was so despised by some economists

http://mises.org/daily/3471

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The us economy will collapse anyway. Dont have any sympathy for them.

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Greed of Capitalism combined with Bad economic Judgement of the President ---

Note that not even a word is mentioned about the possible responsibility of the Fed for the present economic crisis. This omission is puzzling.

Recall that the president suggested that he knows how to ask good questions. And yet it seems that when it comes to the world of economics, he has lost this skill and is not asking the relevant questions. He is not arguing with the experts.

according to the website

 

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To be honest, I have not had sufficient time to read the whole argument.

But the honest thing is, a capitalistic system has collapsed several times. But the problem is this has not been publicized as much as the fall of communism.

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Arsenal, we're not talking about 'back then'. Its the present. ;)

China will NEVER stop trading in dollars. Most of its reserves are stored in dollars anyway.

And that article is based on NORMATIVE and OPINION based judgements. It doesn't state both sides of the argument and therefore, is insufficient to come to any conclusion.

Oh well, now America is booming, its out from your calculation. ::) Do I have to prove that EVERY economy is recovering and booming to be able to make a point? ::)

And Arsenal, a debate is nothing personal. You are of course a good student for getting A stars in business. I did not claim that you don't know economics.

The issues which you raised was already dealt by me in my previous posts, in its essential form. Please check them. I already illustrated everything in my previous and this post. I don't have the time to reply and make clear every issue about this topic.

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People will stop trading in dollars when they have no faith in it. That time is not far away.

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Arsenal, we're not talking about 'back then'. Its the present. ;)

China will NEVER stop trading in dollars. Most of its reserves are stored in dollars anyway.

And that article is based on NORMATIVE and OPINION based judgements. It doesn't state both sides of the argument and therefore, is insufficient to come to any conclusion.

Oh well, now America is booming, its out from your calculation. ::) Do I have to prove that EVERY economy is recovering and booming to be able to make a point? ::)

And Arsenal, a debate is nothing personal. You are of course a good student for getting A stars in business. I did not claim that you don't know economics.

The issues which you raised was already dealt by me in my previous posts, in its essential form. Please check them. I already illustrated everything in my previous and this post. I don't have the time to reply and make clear every issue about this topic.

BUT uk and America were the flag bearers of Market economy. Werent they?

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Wait a minute.Now that i saw the original thread..my original question..should we look at the nazi MODEL which was not anything close to the communist model

*n a Nazi Model , there was a emphasis  of völkisch nationalism, a strong central government movement, with economic socialism to create a popular, centrist nationalist-oriented workers movement that could challenge the rise of Communism .*
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Now I don't have any idea about the nazi model but I suppose its communism. And I already proved how communism fails in every turn and how the market system wins.

Engraved, please try to show concrete arguments as to WHY the capitalistic society fails and communist society wins. Less Publicity is not a concrete one. Because noone knows how many times any society ACTUALLY failed, be it communist or capitalistic. Only statistic and publicity is a reliable means to get the information in this case. We cannot dig further.

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Now I don't have any idea about the nazi model but I suppose its communism. And I already proved how communism fails in every turn and how the market system wins.

Engraved, please try to show concrete arguments as to WHY the capitalistic society fails and communist society wins. Less Publicity is not a concrete one. Because noone knows how many times any society ACTUALLY failed, be it communist or capitalistic. Only statistic and publicity is a reliable means to get the information in this case. We cannot dig further.

I will, but not now. I had this debate a long time ago, and people came to a realization. But the truth is, the Capitalism you see, and the prescribed Capitalism by theory are two very different things.

But, I will talk about this. Essentially the arguments is that personal achievement has to be rewarded, but a perfect Capitalistic economy makes the government redundant.

But I will talk abt this later.

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Now I don't have any idea about the nazi model but I suppose its communism. And I already proved how communism fails in every turn and how the market system wins.

Engraved, please try to show concrete arguments as to WHY the capitalistic society fails and communist society wins. Less Publicity is not a concrete one. Because noone knows how many times any society ACTUALLY failed, be it communist or capitalistic. Only statistic and publicity is a reliable means to get the information in this case. We cannot dig further.

it''s not communism man
Look at what i wrote

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Arsenal, its the same as command economy or communist economy ;)