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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1665 on: January 23, 2012, 08:04:03 am »
but I didn't see it  in old pastpapers actually it is in the Edxecel chemistry blue book
Yeah, for some reason it is there and even I thought that we had to know it but then I checked the spec. and they only mention Ka, Kw, Pka, Pkw, pH thats it.
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1666 on: January 24, 2012, 02:26:24 pm »
Yeah, for some reason it is there and even I thought that we had to know it but then I checked the spec. and they only mention Ka, Kw, Pka, Pkw, pH thats it.

the point is .. its the same thing.. just opposite .. knowing it is no big deal.

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1667 on: January 25, 2012, 11:10:21 am »
in Jan 2010 last question
why is the splitting pattern for butan1-ol is 36531

from where do we get five splitting   :o  
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1668 on: January 25, 2012, 12:56:40 pm »
It's not 36531 ... it's actually 3400 (according to my teacher that is :) ) which is the peak for the OH in an Alcohol ;D

Since it can be Oxidized then it's either primary or secondary Alcohol ,tertiary can NOT be oxidized remember ;)

Draw butanol   ,the primary , the secondary versions of it [if you are having trouble doing that let me know I'll draw it bas mikasila for now :P  ..u r right I'm lazy ::) :P )

if you look at the spectrum for X in part (b) of the Question.  Counting them from the left to right ,they are five splittings.

Splitting one => the one with  6 lines lined up closely to each other
splitting two => the Single long line
splitting THREE => the ones with 5 lines lined up closely to each other
Splitting FOUR => those TWO parallel LONG lines
Splitting FIVE => the three lines , having the middle one the LONGEST among them

CH3CH2CH(OH)CH3

starting from the LHS :

The first CH3 => is a triplet which is the (one with three lines and the middle one the LONGEST among them  ;) )

the CH2 => is a Pentate [search for the ones with FIVE lines closely lined up together) ...that's the one for it ;)

the CH => is a Sixtet [search for the ones with SIX lines closely lined up together ]

the OH => the single line ...cuz OH is ALWAYS a single line since it's a  singlet By the way ;)

the LAST Ch3=> is a Doublet [ search for the one with ONLY TWO lines ]



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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1669 on: January 25, 2012, 01:18:24 pm »
It's not 36531 ... it's actually 3400 (according to my teacher that is :) ) which is the peak for the OH in an Alcohol ;D

Since it can be Oxidized then it's either primary or secondary Alcohol ,tertiary can NOT be oxidized remember ;)

Draw butanol   ,the primary , the secondary versions of it [if you are having trouble doing that let me know I'll draw it bas mikasila for now :P  ..u r right I'm lazy ::) :P )

if you look at the spectrum for X in part (b) of the Question.  Counting them from the left to right ,they are five splittings.

Splitting one => the one with  6 lines lined up closely to each other
splitting two => the Single long line
splitting THREE => the ones with 5 lines lined up closely to each other
Splitting FOUR => those TWO parallel LONG lines
Splitting FIVE => the three lines , having the middle one the LONGEST among them

CH3CH2CH(OH)CH3

starting from the LHS :

The first CH3 => is a triplet which is the (one with three lines and the middle one the LONGEST among them  ;) )

the CH2 => is a Pentate [search for the ones with FIVE lines closely lined up together) ...that's the one for it ;)

the CH => is a Sixtet [search for the ones with SIX lines closely lined up together ]

the OH => the single line ...cuz OH is ALWAYS a single line since it's a  singlet By the way ;)

the LAST Ch3=> is a Doublet [ search for the one with ONLY TWO lines ]



I hope I helped (:   [jawabt su2aleek ana willa kunt bas 2atfalsaf o.O ]  

(gtg go my own way  ::) ..cya good luck with tomorrow ;) )


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Thanks alot my sis but what confused me that if you looked at JUNE 2011 last question part (d)(ii)
I was wondering why in spectrum 2 we have septet splitting (that short one and fat too )and it ois not octet
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1670 on: January 25, 2012, 01:21:56 pm »
I don't usually bother to draw cuz it doesn't attach min 2asassu ..Ohh the Irony -.- :P

[Will EDIT  this post to answer you , waiting for ur drawing ya Miss.Nasheeta :P ]


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« Reply #1671 on: January 25, 2012, 01:35:42 pm »
I don't usually bother to draw cuz it doesn't attach min 2asassu ..Ohh the Irony -.- :P

[Will EDIT  this post to answer you , waiting for ur drawing ya Miss.Nasheeta :P ]


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here  :(

I'm getting worried  :( :( :(
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1672 on: January 25, 2012, 01:46:08 pm »
here  :(

I'm getting worried  :( :( :(

La inshAllah 5eer , go make wudu and pray [alahumma 2inza3 min galbee 2il5awf wal8ala8 ] ...I made it up and it always works alhamdulilah =]

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1673 on: January 25, 2012, 01:48:14 pm »
the CH is the thing that represents the 7 lines one (circled in GREEN) ..it's neighbored by carbons with SIX Hydrogens !!

n + 1  =>  6 + 1  = 7  hence it's a septet and it has SEVEN lines ;)


EDIT :No idea why it's not nine =/
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1674 on: January 25, 2012, 01:51:38 pm »
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1675 on: January 25, 2012, 02:00:06 pm »
You've got a point there , You confused me as well LOL xD

I think you shouldn't be thinking about it TOO MUCH .. Because in both cases the CH has the highest numbers of lines closely lined up together ,so it doesn't make much of a difference ? =/


Can someone clear our doubts please (:  

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EDIT :[ The Exam is tomorrow so it's pretty much really Urgent =/ ]
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1676 on: January 25, 2012, 02:40:47 pm »
Ok, can you tell  me what exactly is the confusion. :S
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1677 on: January 25, 2012, 02:50:36 pm »
In Jan 2010, The single H (which is joined to the carbon with OH) is next to 5 hydrogens and so it form a mulitplet.
In june 2011, there is a single H (joined to the carbon with methyl group) and it is also next to 5 hydrogens but forms 7 peaks.

Is that your question?

First of all, my teacher always told us that when ever there are a lot of peak like these two above, it is due to the hydrogen(s) which are next to many hydrogens.
I think, in june 2011 it has 7 peaks because, don't forget, even though they hydrogens of methly group are not directly next to the single hydrogen but they do affect it and probably thats why it has 7 peaks.
In jan 2010, there is only a single H of OH which is not directly next to the 'single' hydrogen we are talking about and so it doesnt really have an impact.
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By the way, do we have to know the mechanism between propane and iodine (the very complicated one)  :-\
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1678 on: January 30, 2012, 01:44:31 pm »
What is the colour of [CrCl4]- ? tetrachlorochromium 3.

it is complex ion. i needa know the colour!!! urgent!

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1679 on: February 20, 2012, 04:33:24 pm »
^ I believe it is  violet solution ..according to my chemistry knowledge *poker face*

Ladies and gentlemen can someone clear my doubt , got a test tomorrow -.-

Can someone state what a ligand exchange is and what an acid-base reaction is , what is the difference between them because I'm confused =/


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