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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1545 on: December 11, 2011, 06:40:09 am »
Relina , I don't know if I'll be of much help but here I go =]

I think it's because NH3 is a WEAK Base.

A : HCl and NaOH  => since it's STRONG Acid then it has HIGH concentration of Hydrogen Ions.
B : HCl and NaCl => since it's STRONG Acid and hence has  HIGH concentration of Hydrogen Ions.
C : NH3 and it's salt  => It's a WEAK Base so most likely to have LOWEST concentration of Hydrogen Ions!
D : CH3COOH  and it's salt => has Low Hydrogen Ions since it's a WEAK Acid.

Bases have plenty of  OH- Ions where as Acids have plenty of   H+ Ions. In other words , the Base has fewer [H+] than the Weak Acid =D

I just tried to make sense out of it so that I make myself understand it so I'm not 100 % sure but that's how I got it =]

I hope I helped  :)
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1546 on: December 11, 2011, 06:09:28 pm »
Relina , I don't know if I'll be of much help but here I go =]

I think it's because NH3 is a WEAK Base.

A : HCl and NaOH  => since it's STRONG Acid then it has HIGH concentration of Hydrogen Ions.
B : HCl and NaCl => since it's STRONG Acid and hence has  HIGH concentration of Hydrogen Ions.
C : NH3 and it's salt  => It's a WEAK Base so most likely to have LOWEST concentration of Hydrogen Ions!
D : CH3COOH  and it's salt => has Low Hydrogen Ions since it's a WEAK Acid.

Bases have plenty of  OH- Ions where as Acids have plenty of   H+ Ions. In other words , the Base has fewer [H+] than the Weak Acid =D

I just tried to make sense out of it so that I make myself understand it so I'm not 100 % sure but that's how I got it =]

I hope I helped  :)

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1547 on: December 11, 2011, 06:59:27 pm »
Thanks :$

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1548 on: December 12, 2011, 05:18:58 pm »
guys here is my question and plz do explain it as I'm totally confused  :'(  :'(
 that's  a NMR question
why do we get 4 peaks  only for that ''C6H5CH2CH2CH3 ????


if you are going to answer because peak for ch2 ,peak for second ch2 , peak for ch3 ,peak for c6h5

then I don't understant why are the five hydrogen atoms in benzene ring are the same ????

 ??? ??? ???

as it's opposing this example of 3 peaks for product of cyclohexene and bromine
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1549 on: December 12, 2011, 05:26:15 pm »
which unit is it? from which year?

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1550 on: December 12, 2011, 05:27:39 pm »
which unit is it? from which year?

 I dunno it's from examwizard 

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1551 on: December 12, 2011, 05:29:20 pm »
what 4 peaks? ::)
Is it related to the mass spectrometer?

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1552 on: December 12, 2011, 05:30:39 pm »
what 4 peaks? ::)
Is it related to the mass spectrometer?

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1553 on: December 12, 2011, 05:32:37 pm »
Sorry, don't know what's that, its not unit 1.

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1554 on: December 12, 2011, 05:33:38 pm »
Sorry, don't know what's that, its not unit 1.

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1555 on: December 12, 2011, 08:08:54 pm »
guys here is my question and plz do explain it as I'm totally confused  :'(  :'(
 that's  a NMR question
why do we get 4 peaks  only for that ''C6H5CH2CH2CH3 ????


if you are going to answer because peak for ch2 ,peak for second ch2 , peak for ch3 ,peak for c6h5

then I don't understant why are the five hydrogen atoms in benzene ring are the same ????

 ??? ??? ???

as it's opposing this example of 3 peaks for product of cyclohexene and bromine
Not sure if i understood your question exactly but will try to explain.

Peaks appear on NMR cause of the different environments of H

Not sure about the benzene part (structure) but i guess because the five H atoms are in the same environment i.e. next to same groups

''C6H5CH2CH2CH"
In the case above, the last CH is next to 2 H so it will have its own peak (triplet)
the CH2 has one H on one side and 2H on the other so it has different environment and therefore a different peak
the last CH2 has C6H5 next to it and CH2 next to it so again a different environment

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1556 on: December 12, 2011, 08:13:23 pm »
guys here is my question and plz do explain it as I'm totally confused  :'(  :'(
 that's  a NMR question
why do we get 4 peaks  only for that ''C6H5CH2CH2CH3 ????


if you are going to answer because peak for ch2 ,peak for second ch2 , peak for ch3 ,peak for c6h5

then I don't understant why are the five hydrogen atoms in benzene ring are the same ????

 ??? ??? ???




here can you explain this also plz
as it's opposing this example of 3 peaks for product of cyclohexene and bromine


 ???
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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1557 on: December 12, 2011, 08:37:43 pm »
I hope this diagram explains it.

The CH3 is next to a CH2 (according to the diagram it's blue in the sketch I did) and hence n+1  means that it's a Triplet.

the last CH is next to 2 H so it will have its own peak (n+1 => triplet)

so triplet and triplet , same environment and hence it's considered as One peak ?

this is PURE ta5bees I guess , but well this might be a possibility who knows :P

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1558 on: December 12, 2011, 09:10:45 pm »
I hope this diagram explains it.

The CH3 is next to a CH2 (according to the diagram it's blue in the sketch I did) and hence n+1  means that it's a Triplet.

the last CH is next to 2 H so it will have its own peak (n+1 => triplet)

so triplet and triplet , same environment and hence it's considered as One peak ?

this is PURE ta5bees I guess , but well this might be a possibility who knows :P

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Re: Edexcel CHEMISTRY DOUBTS!!!!
« Reply #1559 on: December 12, 2011, 09:19:49 pm »
Okay here is a diagram cuz there is no way to explain but this way =]

In the attached diagram. the CH2 is attached to TWO CH3. SAME Hydrogen Environment and hence considered as ONE Peak.

I took this idea and tried to Fit it in the one you were confused about.

This is all I can come up with I hope you get it =]

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