The battle of the sexes!

[The Golden Girl =D]

women dont want sexual equality

who the hell told u that ?!?! ...cuz that ain't true with me !!

[The Golden Girl =D]

in my religion women r more favoured in some cases but men r more favoured in some cases too .....but there r some punishments and sentences that r the same for both "lik havin sex while  being married ..etc"

but nowadays some people don't even follow our religion in the way they  r supposed to . therefore there is inequality in the way women r punished and treated , as well as seen by the public.

but if i speak in the point of view of real life without including religion ... then i say that inequality is smthn that all women seek including ME... cuz there r things which women r not allowed to do for ex in the country i am livin in girls r not allowed to be mechanical engineerers  cuz they r not even going to even find any job opportunity over here.

People let's face the fact , we WOMEN  r never going to be equal to men no matter what how many legistlations r passed by the goverment .

srry for being too serious 

[$tyli$h Executive]

in my religion women r more favoured in some cases but men r more favoured in some cases too .....but there r some punishments and sentences that r the same for both "lik havin sex while  being married ..etc"

but nowadays some people don't even follow our religion in the way they  r supposed to . therefore there is inequality in the way women r punished and treated , as well as seen by the public.

but if i speak in the point of view of real life without including religion ... then i say that inequality is smthn that all women seek including ME... cuz there r things which women r not allowed to do for ex in the country i am livin in girls r not allowed to be mechanical engineerers  cuz they r not even going to even find any job opportunity over here.

People let's face the fact , we WOMEN  r never going to be equal to men no matter what how many legistlations r passed by the goverment .

srry for being too serious 

You would SEEK inequality as a girl?! I am surprised!

Isn't it allowed in Dubai for women to become mechanical engineers?! I am again surprised!

You can have equal rights as men. The world is changing fast. The all powerful tyrannical male no longer exists. In its place are men and women who share the world equally, by ensuring equal rights for both sexes.

[Alpha]

i shoulda seen her sayin that -_-

oh wait i got a good one: Rap = Retards Attempting Poetry  

 

Imagine a woman working in a company. She has a male colleague, who works in the same position. After saveral months, she discovers that he is being paid a higher salary than her. When she wants to discuss it with her boss, he feels ashamed at first. Then tells her "Because he is a male and thus, can work better than you!". Put yourself in this situation and ask "Should women have equal rights as men?!".

Reasons
1) Is not a guaranteed source of labour--- maternity leave, household responsibilities, marriage, children, etc.
2) The employer has to find a suitable replacement for the, usually, 9 months period she will not be working during pregnancy.
3) Proven in many businesses: a woman does not have the same authority as a man, especially in management. Because of this inability to influence others, business policies cannot or take time to be amended.
4) Prejudices--- they exist, whether we like it or not. Common ideology: men work for bread, and women, for cosmetics. Women are not considered to be the financial backbone, no wonder they're paid less than men.

There are so many other reasons.
I don't think he'll be feeling ashamed anymore.  

The question I ask after this short analysis: CAN women have equal rights??

Absolutely. So, they should have equal rights! This is co-operation!

If you are talking about having equal rights in few particular areas, then, that's a possibility still. But if you are talking about equality as a whole, be realistic: there is one who secretly thinks, one who secretly makes decisions, one who secretly expresses them, and one who secretly accepts them. That's "co-operation".

There is no such equation that says, co-operation = equality.

Yes I agree. Just bcauz I secret more testorene does not mean that I automatically get paid more for the same amount of job.

Just a rhetorical question: why then don't you share in the painful process of birth-giving and carry the child for 4 1/2 months?

in my religion women r more favoured in some cases but men r more favoured in some cases too .....but there r some punishments and sentences that r the same for both "lik havin sex while  being married ..etc"

but nowadays some people don't even follow our religion in the way they  r supposed to . therefore there is inequality in the way women r punished and treated , as well as seen by the public.

but if i speak in the point of view of real life without including religion ... then i say that inequality is smthn that all women seek including ME... cuz there r things which women r not allowed to do for ex in the country i am livin in girls r not allowed to be mechanical engineerers  cuz they r not even going to even find any job opportunity over here.

People let's face the fact , we WOMEN  r never going to be equal to men no matter what how many legistlations r passed by the goverment .

srry for being too serious  

Agreed. Being realistic does NOT mean being pessimistic. It's rather not falling prey to the idealists.

[$tyli$h Executive]

The question is about equal *rights* Not a superficial 'equality' like 'why dont men give birth to babies?' lol.

Thats not true. In many countries, women labours in garments and other industries are paid a significantly lower wage than their male counterparts. This happens openly. The women does not even have the chance to talk to her employer. Strictly autocratic.

Alpha, just accept it. You are still living in the stone age when 'the knights were bold!'. As I said earlier, the all powerful tyrannical male no longer exists. In its place are men and women who share the world equally and make it a more peaceful place. Maybe in some countries, women are still busy cooking for their hubbies ( ), but the situation will change soon. This is for sure.

This will be a core foundation, for the development of those countries. Because, this will bring new entrepreneual skills. A greater labour force. Higher GDP. Higher economic growth. More investment. Higher standard of living. More average per capita income. And to sum it up, the country will be more developed, more resourceful and with a friendly business environment and stock market, due to the increase in the number of female investors.

Not to mention, a family in which both male and female member earns is likely to be much well off financially for obvious reasons.

[$tyli$h Executive]

Oh and another thing, 'inability to influence others?!'. Remember that we are talking about the 21st century women, who are just as capable of assuming authority as their male counterparts. I know many girls (who are my friends) and can influence others easily (easier than some guys, lol) . They are even sometimes dominating! (I love it when they are like that, Haha. I am a naughty guy! ).

If this is not enough, be aware of the fact that there are many women billionaires. Some of them are self made (though a lot less than men). For example Oprah Winfrey.

[Alpha]

Giving birth to babies involves so many rights--- the right to choice, the right of freedom, parental rights, abortion rights, etc.

The stone age, iron age, renaissance, history, prehistory, or any other period, the same story has been going on since ever: women are aimlessly fighting for "equal rights" while the rest of the world claim that everybody is 'free'; women too are, they're 'free' to move wherever they want to inside the cage.

That's a false dawn, just an illusion. We're in the 21st century; high time to stop roaming about the bush and face reality.

Okay, let's forget about gender for a while...
Imagine a situation where you work harder, are more qualified for a job, have the required physical ability, the mental capacity, the spiritual capability, perfect for the task. You wouldn't bear it someone else, who is in no respect "equal" to you, is granted equal rights.

It's the same situation here as well. Men and women were not created equal. They cannot be equal. Each gender has a specific role to perform, a specific reason for existence. Men are superior in some areas of life, while women take the reins in others. Not being equal does not mean being inferior or superior. It does not mean losing authority or being disregarded. It's preserving your individuality, your uniqueness.  Men and women are different. How can they be equal when they are different?


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Inability to influence others... Yes.

Well, I was not talking about teenage girls influencing teenage guys. Adults have egos, their world is different. It's been proven, a built man does not favour the idea of having a woman bossing around, especially at work. They are resistant to change, company policies cannot be easily implemented. Progress fails, lower profits, lower GDP, lower economic growth, lower investment, lower standard of living, etc. 

[$tyli$h Executive]

Inability to influence others... Yes.

Well, I was not talking about teenage girls influencing teenage guys. Adults have egos, their world is different. It's been proven, a built man does not favour the idea of having a woman bossing around, especially at work. They are resistant to change, company policies cannot be easily implemented. Progress fails, lower profits, lower GDP, lower economic growth, lower investment, lower standard of living, etc. 

Any man who is ashamed of a female boss, is ashamed when a women drives a car or bus, is ashamed when a women orders him or generally thinks he is superior to women ought to do a lot more thinking. Times have changed. We could learn a lot from our American and English brothers and sisters. 'Ego' has no value in the modern world. Just do whatever it takes to achieve something.

I have nothing more to say about this. This point cannot be emphasized further. Personal views. This is just how I think.

Okay, let's forget about gender for a while...
Imagine a situation where you work harder, are more qualified for a job, have the required physical ability, the mental capacity, the spiritual capability, perfect for the task. You wouldn't bear it someone else, who is in no respect "equal" to you, is granted equal rights.

There is nothing as 'ego'. I only think about what I am or what is my position. Not what others are. In other words, I am not jealous of girls. I do not compare myself with others. At the creative plane, not competitive. As I said earlier, men and women should cooperate, not compete. Others may think differently. But as I said earlier, any man who thinks he is superior to women, ought to do a lot more thinking.

The atmosphere of cooperation will result in a greater labour force. Higher GDP. Higher economic growth. More investment. Higher standard of living. More average per capita income. And to sum it up, the country will be more developed, more resourceful and with a friendly business environment and stock market, due to the increase in the number of female investors.

It's the same situation here as well. Men and women were not created equal. They cannot be equal. Each gender has a specific role to perform, a specific reason for existence. Men are superior in some areas of life, while women take the reins in others. Not being equal does not mean being inferior or superior. It does not mean losing authority or being disregarded. It's preserving your individuality, your uniqueness.  Men and women are different. How can they be equal when they are different?

The stone age, iron age, renaissance, history, prehistory, or any other period, the same story has been going on since ever: women are aimlessly fighting for "equal rights" while the rest of the world claim that everybody is 'free'; women too are, they're 'free' to move wherever they want to inside the cage.

That's a false dawn, just an illusion. We're in the 21st century; high time to stop roaming about the bush and face reality.

Its should men and women have equal rights? Not 'does', or 'can'.

[Saladin]

I think we need to lock this topic, things seem to get a little well, out of control.

I like debates, but religeon and passions have co-incided.

[astarmathsandphysics]

It seems to me that women have the right to sopend all the money and men have the duty to earn it.

[$tyli$h Executive]

This topic should not be locked. I am opening this. There is no proof of religious DEBATE here. Only The Dude 321 has broken the rules here by insulting another members country. His posts were edited by me and he has been warned by an administrator. The golden girl mentioned religion, but there is no proof of religious DEBATE. I do not want to see anyone locking this topic again.

[$tyli$h Executive]

@The Dude 321

Me and angell are the moderator of the debate section. And I would like to inform you that we are well aware of the rules and regulations of debates.

Therefore, it would be of our pleasure if you, Mr Dude 321, do not interfere in our duties without being fully aware of the exact rules and regulations in effect over here.

Thank you.

[$tyli$h Executive]

IN CASE a member mentions religion, AND it takes the form of a religious DEBATE with many members taking part in it, the relevant posts will be deleted and the members warned. There is no reason to lock the topic for this. Members should be free to express their opinions and viewpoints here in this debate section. After all, it is a debate with many members and many different viewpoints.

Topics should not be punished due to members breaking rules.

Period.

[Alpha]

Agree with you Borakk.

This thing about religion getting a grasp on debates is getting frustrating now...

Practically speaking, you cannot eradicate religion totally from discussions. A debate is an amalgam of diverse views: scientific, moral, ethical, social, political, medicinal, philosophical, historical... and religious. Religion affects life to a great extent, people ARE religious, their lives ARE influenced by it, society IS as well, so are our issues.

Whatever you do, religion is bound to crop up in some topics. Like here, we're talking of sex inequality, the backbone of this discussion being the famous myth/ story/ history of Adam and Eve. Sex inequality is to a very great extent 'guided' by religion.

Religion becomes a problem when any member insults the religious beliefs of another, or condemns any religion or faith.

If you keep the same grounds for banning religion in the discussions, then politics, ethics, even topics should be banned. What's the use of debating then?

And just something I would like to add. I don't think there is a need to rake up The Dude's 'mistake' again. It's over already. Move on.

[$tyli$h Executive]

There IS a need to rake up Dude 321, 'mistake'. Because it IS A MISTAKE to insult our politicians who are highly respected over here (some of who are my family members). The fact that he has broken the rule of this forum AS A MODERATOR, is somewhat .......

If I say what Dude 321 said about Mauritius, I am sure you would not be pleased. So, NO further discussion about this. I know better than you about the rules of this forum. No need to 'teach' me regarding moderation.

Thank You.