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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2010, 02:48:36 pm »
Wow  :D now this is becoming a cat fight  :P
Why so seroisee ??

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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2010, 03:33:52 pm »
Lol! No!  We are still on topic. It is 'The Dude 321' for whom we went off topic temporarily. You must be having fun na? :P

Its just that I hadn't expected this kind of behavior from Alpha.

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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #77 on: March 07, 2010, 03:46:46 pm »
I speak to myself...
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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #78 on: March 08, 2010, 12:51:57 am »
You're both welcome :P
anyways, i just wanted to reply to duda's suggestion of locking the topic: dude, whoever is violating is to be dismissed from the topic but if we are to dismiss every thread that has religion into it then there will be no point whatsoever if having the debates section, which is one of the liveliest part of the forums
just a lil suggestion to the other mods: anyone going off the topic gets one and ONLY ONE warning, and nobody replies to him, if it persists then ban him from the section straight away for one or two days
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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #79 on: March 08, 2010, 05:01:35 am »
Thanks Omer! Yes, that is a very logical suggestion.

This issue has already been solved. Now me, Alpha and Dude 321 are cool. No problem.

Now Alpha, I replied to your last post about men and women having equal rights. Its on the previous page. You can reply to that now.

Cheers up everybody!
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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #80 on: March 08, 2010, 07:27:16 am »
ok, frankly?

women and men have equally contributed to society as we know it.

all men were born because of women.

The very fact that there is a necessity to have a topic like this proves that somewhere, somethings VERY wrong.

Women and Men should be treated equally - not just because women are as good as men, but because we've EARNED our right to be treated as equals.
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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #81 on: March 08, 2010, 02:08:41 pm »
I am debating for equal rights, like you, but I would like to correct you that all women were born because of men too. ::)

The first human being, Adam, was a man after all. ::)
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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #82 on: March 08, 2010, 04:41:00 pm »
we're not Adam or Eve..

so technically, unless and unitl there are men producing babies.. its the women who hold the title :D :D :P
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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #83 on: March 09, 2010, 01:17:58 am »
I did not call you a sinner. You should have read my post well before editing it.
Smart enough, I can't prove it; you already edited my post.

My humble request: please, refrain from editing my posts. I write them, and I know very well what I write in them. I am transparent. That's why I'm asking you not to obscure what I write.
If there's anything you don't like, then you have a better option: delete.

Okay, I'm replying to your discussion.

Any man who is ashamed of a female boss, is ashamed when a women drives a car or bus, is ashamed when a women orders him or generally thinks he is superior to women ought to do a lot more thinking. Times have changed. We could learn a lot from our American and English brothers and sisters. 'Ego' has no value in the modern world. Just do whatever it takes to achieve something.

I have nothing more to say about this. This point cannot be emphasized further. Personal views. This is just how I think.


Your American and English brothers live in America and England, you inhabit another society. And since you've talked about America, then tell me how the nation for which you say ego has no value, in all of its recorded history, has never never NEVER had a female President?

That's not something personal anymore.
All personal views = Social ethics

It's a reality. Running from reality by calling it "personal" does not help to bring any change.

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There is nothing as 'ego'. I only think about what I am or what is my position. Not what others are. In other words, I am not jealous of girls. I do not compare myself with others. At the creative plane, not competitive. As I said earlier, men and women should cooperate, not compete. Others may think differently. But as I said earlier, any man who thinks he is superior to women, ought to do a lot more thinking.

The atmosphere of cooperation will result in a greater labour force. Higher GDP. Higher economic growth. More investment. Higher standard of living. More average per capita income. And to sum it up, the country will be more developed, more resourceful and with a friendly business environment and stock market, due to the increase in the number of female investors.

It's not jealousy, it's a superiority-inferiority complex. It's ego, self-respect. There is everything in trying to preserve one's ego. The world moves on ego. What you think, what I think, make no difference at all. Now I understand why poets call this world one for fools.

Cooperate, yea, but where is cooperation = equality? It's most of the time, cooperation = submission.


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Its should men and women have equal rights? Not 'does', or 'can'.

We should do what we can. Besides, the past always influences the present, while we carry the generations forward.
I replied for a should (not) itself. They were not created to be equal.
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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #84 on: March 09, 2010, 01:58:00 pm »
I spoke to myself...

Women around India are not allowed to choose their life partners. They HAVE to marry the one their parent chooses. According to me, a woman should be able to like and choose the one she will marry, just like males. It is unfair to restrict them in this way. I also cannot understand why a woman cannot be awarded the right to be a leader if she possesses the necessary skills. Could you please explain how men and women are required to 'bend down for the other' in order to progress? (leaving aside biological issues like pregnancy). I see no reason. Cooperation does not require 'inequal' rights. It calls for 'equality'. Like if women are not allowed to be leaders, how can it be cooperation? It is prejudice.
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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #85 on: March 09, 2010, 04:54:56 pm »

Women around India are not allowed to choose their life partners. They HAVE to marry the one their parent chooses. According to me, a woman should be able to like and choose the one she will marry, just like males. It is unfair to restrict them in this way. I also cannot understand why a woman cannot be awarded the right to be a leader if she possesses the necessary skills. Could you please explain how men and women are required to 'bend down for the other' in order to progress? (leaving aside biological issues like pregnancy). I see no reason. Cooperation does not require 'inequal' rights. It calls for 'equality'. Like if women are not allowed to be leaders, how can it be cooperation? It is prejudice.


This is lame. Generalizations wtf! Who says we, in India are not allowed to choose our life partners. Ur being too general. Well that not the point. But I do agree with you. Every woman has the rights to freedom, freedom of speech and freedom to practice what they believe(including religion). In terms of rights, we have the same rights but the society discards it most of the times and creates a chasm between the two sexes

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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #86 on: March 09, 2010, 04:59:37 pm »
Okay, I'll make it clear. I told you: The Dude made a mistake. You were making it seem like a SIN.

Pointing fingers aggressively at another member's personal characteristic is showing disrespect to him or her (keeping aside the accusation of 'SIN').

You're saying it yourself.


And for the debate, am tired already. Tired, tired.

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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #87 on: March 10, 2010, 03:07:36 pm »
Women do have the right to freedom, some families are still pure traditionalists. Well, that's something that's going to change with time.
But the right to freedom does not equate men and women. Like what I said before, of course, women are free > They are free to move inside the cage.


Some people believe that by letting the knot loose, values will fall…

And personally, I don’t find it an irrational belief. Women, having too many rights, make an abuse of it. No sense of morality at all, no manners, no etiquettes…  No restrictions, which means they do whatever pleases them. So many women are smokers, drinkers, smugglers, promiscuous, irresponsible, vagabonds. Muslim women (covered with the veil) smoke hookahs on public beaches, and so many others are keen VOLUNTEERS to perform in pornographic films. There is a long list on not-to-do’s that women jump on when there is no supervision on their social behaviour.

Of course, every woman is not immoral. But there are too many exceptions in this rule for it to be ignored.

Margaret Thatcher was a leader, and because she was a woman, she was a failed leader.

Women may be having all the required skills for leadership, but they also have all the required commitments--- the house, children. The employer has to find a suitable replacement in case the woman goes on maternity leave--- which profit-motivated entrepreneur is going to take the risk?

Cooperation, in its simplest form, means working together to attain certain specific goals, of which compliance is an essential feature. Men and women cooperate, why not? It’s possible, just like employers and employees do, like the general and soldiers cooperate in wars, just like the law and the public does, and just like a government and a nation can cooperate. Is it equality?

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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #88 on: March 12, 2010, 01:35:45 pm »

Margaret Thatcher was a leader, and because she was a woman, she was a failed leader.

Women may be having all the required skills for leadership, but they also have all the required commitments--- the house, children. The employer has to find a suitable replacement in case the woman goes on maternity leave--- which profit-motivated entrepreneur is going to take the risk?

I just had a glimpse on the [url]article on Margaret Thatcher[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_thatcher/url] on wikipedia. I must say, there is no conclusive evidence which proves that she was any less successful than Tony Blair, let alone being a 'failed leader'. She was the PM from 1979-1990. If I am correct, the UK economy was at a turmoil in the period between 1973-1980. Inflation peaked at 30% in 1976. Unemployment was high, due to powerful trade unions and therefore, business incentive was low. As far as I can see, during her leadership, inflation rate fell from the peak of 30% to much lower levels. She was an opposer of trade unions (which I personally think is a dirty word too). Industrial unrest became history. Trade deficit lowered. Influence and membership of trade unions fell from its peak in 1965. And many more...

As far as I can see Alpha, during her leadership, the UK economy enjoyed a good upturn as I just illustrated. Yes, maybe it was not (just) because of her. Maybe its because of the good policies of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the bank of England or the Royal Mint. Whatever it may be, this cannot lead us to believe that she was a 'failed leader' after all (if not any more successful than Tony Blair).

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Women may be having all the required skills for leadership, but they also have all the required commitments--- the house, children. The employer has to find a suitable replacement in case the woman goes on maternity leave--- which profit-motivated entrepreneur is going to take the risk?

Lemme give you an example. I'm sure you know of PepsiCo. It's a $102 billion company. The CEO is a woman, Indra Nooyi. I am sure PepsiCo. is not a charity organisation. Their main objective is one that is common in all of us - Profit. How come, a woman with so many commitments like her husband, kids, pregnancy and all others, is able to handle PepsiCo. so successfully that the share price has enjoyed such a long uptrend. It wasn't much affected in the bad date of 2008. I am sure this is a great achievement on part of her. It just reflects how successful she is to ensure a good business health of her company.

If you are unsure of how much the stock market was affected in 2008, see the condition of Citigroup Inc. (the largest financial conglomerate in the world) (attached)

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Re: The battle of the sexes!
« Reply #89 on: April 02, 2010, 02:41:44 pm »
hey i am not writing in anyone's favor about this fight going on.
i am just answering the first question in the first post.
I agree that both the genders should be given equal rights.
there are many places in india where a lot of discrimination takes place between gnders, a lot of domestic violence too takes place.
We indians are trying our best to stop it.
We hope we will overcome this one day.
but nowadays there is no difference between any sexes.
WE ALL ARE NOW EQUAL.