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Death Penalty Vs Life imprisonment
O.T.13.:
--- Quote from: nid404 on December 11, 2009, 04:23:21 pm ---where do you think the money comes from omer??
Lock him up...and starve him to death??.....i think it's better to just hang him. :P
Lol...i like the swimming part...make him swim....till the sharks rip him off completely..w8 say :P
Alpha has to consider....get the facts right...then the argument begins...pages nd pages..lol
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no no no we'll give him a sack of seeds he can plant his own food, he can sell some of it to pay for the bills
lol me never actually researched for any debating whatsoever lol
Alpha:
Hehehehe Omer and Nid!!!! :D :D :D:P :P :P :P
I'm busy this week.... Omer, had told you, my Uncle's wedding!! :P
I haven't yet read your posts... Not got time... ::)
Will read, balance the sides, and then, start... with my "pages and pages"... :P
Meanwhile, you can carry on... :)
P.S. By the way, Omer, that's a good policy. :) There is a whole world's difference between having to say something and having something to say.
But sometimes, you gotta pass through the first stage to be able to move on to the next. ;)
Alpha:
Some of you ought to be stating clearly about the side they are going for.
I'll be debating for capital punishment.
I believe that if a crime is damn serious and if all accusations are proved, the Death Penalty is an appropriate resort to rid the country of weeds.
@Nid
Life imprisonment is considered more "humane"?
Ripping off somebody's skin out of his body is more humane than hanging him till death??
--- Quote ---For a serious offender...say a terrorist,rapist or a murderer, death penalty is what we should go for....how productive can a prisoner be?? We need more security to make sure they don't escape....too much money spent on a criminal...not worth the suffering...not at all
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Agreed too, not worth the suffering... Our low income earners suffer too to pay tax and the govt. shouldn't be throwing this tax money into prisons.
@$tyli$h Executive
Lone$tar, you changed nick? Why? Your nick is your ID. Your ID is YOU. Anyway...
Community service can make up for what a criminal does??
Very well then, we'll position all the criminals as ministers. They'll be doing real "community service" then. :P
--- Quote ---Moreover the punishment is more than capital one actually because the person has to do hardship and bear inconvenience of the punishment for the rest of his life. The country benifits, so do we!
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And what about the people who are condemned to endure hardships as a means of survival? What about the old, weak labourer who is working day and night just to be able to feed his family? And the coal miner who endangers his life to be able to live? Aren't these people undergoing life imprisonment in some way? Can you compare them to criminals? Is that equitable?
Excuse me, but I don't find it beneficial to keep life threatening criminals locked up alive in prison cells. Our countries need to be clean. Our citizens need to feel safe. Our planet has to be free of manly dangers, considering all the natural calamities that we are already facing.
@Vakarian
Agreed, others won't dare. To indulge in a crime, one does not only need a victim, a weapon, and an opportunity, but also COURAGE. Victims are humans, the general public. Weapons, we can't stop their supply: nowadays, black markets are more thriving than legal ones. And opportunities, if they do not exist, can always be created. COURAGE is only what the world can shake. Others won't dare... It's the biggest justification.
@Omer
--- Quote ---No matter how bad your past is, you can always change
yes, you wont change in an instant, but everyone deserves a chance
if hes too dangerous then exile him far away
on the other hand, its pretty painful for those close to the victims to see the perpetrators walking alive while their beloved ones are gone
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Does the one who kills give a chance to his victims? "EVERYONE deserves a chance", the victim too deserved a chance.
Psychopaths are dangerous people, THEY can be exiled. Mentally sick people can be exiled. Criminals are not all mad. If they are to be kept under control, they should be under close observation. How can they be close with a distance of thousands of miles in between?
--- Quote ---who said about paying tax money?!
lock him up in a house or something
or even better, make him swim to the island! :P
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If out of every 100 earthlings, one is a criminal, HOW MANY houses would we need?!
The investment, the cost, the space... Just imagine!
--- Quote ---no no no we'll give him a sack of seeds he can plant his own food, he can sell some of it to pay for the bills
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And now, you'll give him a farm! :P
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We have thousands of people in the world dying out of famine while they don't deserve it at all. Why should we spend money and food on criminals then?
Punishment... Life imprisonment is like continuous death. Why not give instant death and avoid ourselves troubles?
Criminals can always escape. If you drive them far, THEY can come near you. "What goes around comes around." LOL
If you are in a cave with a dangerous lion, and the lion threatens to kill you, you'll try to kill it first, wouldn't you?
If a human is in the place of that lion and has already killed someone, why is the decision then so difficult to take? Would you wait for it to kill YOU first??
I know, a lion and a human are not the same. But a killer and a killer are.
$tyli$h Executive:
As I stated previously, I am for life imprisonment.
First of all, we must differentiate between law abiding citizens and law breaking citizens. Any form of punishments meted out to anybody will only deter law abiding citizens from committing a crime. It is not going to deter law breaking citizens, no matter how severe the punishment is. According to my view, law breaking citizens are too callous to be affected. We could give life imprisonment or death penalty to them, but it will only deter the law abiding citizens, not those breaking the law. Is there any punishment severer than death? I don’t know. To the law breaking citizens, punishments like life imprisonment or death are part of the game where the stakes played for are too high. And anyways, law abiding citizens would never intentionally commit a crime which should be punished severely as giving a penalty like death. This would happen even if there was no such penalty like death or life imprisonment. For them, being caught is enough punishment already.
So, from the above arguments, it has been proved that the frequency of crime has little or no relationship with the severity of punishment imposed by authorities. So we should adopt an approach different to deciding whether we should give life imprisonment or death to a severe criminal.
If the frequency of crime has little or no relationship with the severity of punishment imposed, why don’t we adopt a more humane approach of life imprisonment? Sure, we could bend over death penalty and end the problem forever, but such an approach would make a country seem barbaric. Very few criminals can escape successfully from prison. Imposing life imprisonment would make our citizen's lives equally safe, but in a much more seemingly humane way, as it would be if barbaric death penalties were adopted for every serious criminal.
The USA does NOT spend 25% of money on prisons. This information is incorrect. In 2008, the prison expenditure was 28.4 billion USD. HUGE isn’t it? NO! The GDP of US in 2008 is 14400000000000 USD. This expenditure represents only 0.20285% of its GDP. The difference between 25% and 0.20285% is too great. I don’t think it’s such a huge expenditure. Expenditure figures for other economies are likely to be similar.
I like dynamism. So I changed my ID. After I grow used to this ID, I will change again! Heck! I am thinking of changing my avatar too!
NB No offence to anybody implied. Debate is all about 'polite quarrel'.
O.T.13.:
--- Quote ---Does the one who kills give a chance to his victims? "EVERYONE deserves a chance", the victim too deserved a chance.
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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" Yea, sure, some (and not all) of the victims didn't "deserve" to die (and that is a value judgment), but does killing the murderer (who again, may or may not have intended, it coulda have been a "rage attack" even though hes not necessarily a psychopath) resurrect or in any way compensate for his crime? Yea sure what he did is wrong, whether he meant it or not; what does killing him do in favour of the victim?
--- Quote ---Psychopaths are dangerous people, THEY can be exiled. Mentally sick people can be exiled. Criminals are not all mad. If they are to be kept under control, they should be under close observation. How can they be close with a distance of thousands of miles in between?
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Agreed (basically i can't think of a rationale arguemnt, maybe you can debate against yourself? :P )
--- Quote ---If out of every 100 earthlings, one is a criminal, HOW MANY houses would we need?!
The investment, the cost, the space... Just imagine!
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Well when i said house arrest i didn't exactly mean a house :D no, i mean to provide him with somewhere to live with the lowest possible standard of living (that still allows him to survive)
--- Quote ---And now, you'll give him a farm!
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Thats one way to look at it; another way is we're forcing him to make his own food, and whatever he sells will be what pays his bills, basically he ain't getting money we'll be just forcing him to earn his residence (the bills and whatever hes living in, be it a hut or a block of flats) and the excess will be given to the public in someway or another, in other words; he aint gettin no profit
--- Quote ---Criminals can always escape. If you drive them far, THEY can come near you
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Build a 10 meters flat (as in no 3D texture or anything similar), make it only one entrance, everything out of concrete, and TA-DAA!
--- Quote ---NB No offence to anybody implied. Debate is all about 'polite quarrel'.
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Yups, we should all keep that in mind; one of the nice things about the recent debates is all of em have been in a friendly full of :P :D and ;D manner lol
lol i thought yourea new member until i saw your avatar :P
oh and one more thing i just remember; more prisoners = more security needed= less unemployment
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