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master786:
this post is tooo long for me to read :P

O.T.13.:

--- Quote from: master786 on November 22, 2009, 07:20:26 am ---this post is tooo long for me to read :P

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hlaf of it is quotes from Alpha's

Alpha:
Hey....Yea... It's long...LOL

Sorry for Saturday, there was a power cut... Sunday, I was not home... Today, logged in and I found that I missed a lot!  ::) ;D

Be right back... Have to install few programs, then join you.  :)

O.T.13.:

--- Quote from: ~Alpha on November 23, 2009, 12:05:58 pm ---Hey....Yea... It's long...LOL

Sorry for Saturday, there was a power cut... Sunday, I was not home... Today, logged in and I found that I missed a lot!  ::) ;D

Be right back... Have to install few programs, then join you.  :)

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lol okay, take your time
and yea this forum is weired, sometimes you can be absent for a week and not miss a thing and other times you miss a day you miss everything lol

Alpha:
Yea thats ryte, i agree with that actually, cutting down movie productions but not sports. Movies might look fancy and whatnot, but nothing is more vivid and detailed as a nice novel. As for the sports, it might cost a lot, but I think it is worth it. The entertainment might be the main thing, but you also need to keep in mind that the money gained from television rights and stadium tickets is no tsimply stuffed into the owner's and copyright holders' pockets; a lot of that money is gone into developing youth programs, where players (just look at Nigerian and Ivorian players, the country itself might not be so rich, but when the once-poor players start getting rich, they invest their money into developing athletic academies, which takes away kids who don't even get proper education into something more useful. When these players start getting rich, it is not a great surprise when you see them spending heavy amounts of money into the education of their children, which on the not-so-long term (comon, its only one generation  )will raise the average education level of that country. Aeuronautics might be productive, but they consume waaaay too much money than any other field, compare the costs of all cinema businesses in the USA, Europe, and Japan to the costs of Aeronautics in just one of them, i am sure it will not be anywhere near the cinemas. Yes, actors are overpaid, and yes, that should be cut down too, but not by as much the the spending on taking pics of Mars (man that sounds so touristic :P)

LOL

Excuse me... for your kind information:

1) Add the costs of these movies:Cleopatra $ 290.2 m, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End $300m, Spider-Man 3 $258m, Superman Returns $268.5 m, Waterworld $175 m... The films are endless, made every year, costing large sums every year... While agree the Space Stations cost billions, but are not recurrent projects.

2) The Opening Ceremony of the Olympic Games at Beijing cost $ 100 m alone. And for how long did they last? Days? Montreal, Quebec, Canada had spent C$1.61 billion on the Summer Olympics and their citizens had to repay the debts for 30 years after the Games were over. The repercussion of holding the Games had been borne by future generations. 30 years lost for a few days... Is this not a waste?

Actors are paid on an individual basis, what they do with this money concerns them. There is no law that dictates they ought to 'share' it. A large sum for ONE MAN.
Space exploration consumes money too, agree. But the benefits derived accrue to the whole world. A large sum for MANKIND.

In any way, that money is to be spent. But before using it, a weight must be sought. Do we spend it on a majority or a minority? Do we spend it for the long term or the short term? For a leisure activity or a necessity?

Yups, very true, which is why more money should be spent on education and civil engineering than anything else (referring to Africa especially). And hey, if people wanna "live to eat" then simple, raise the prices of the fancy foods, oh wait they're already high, damn. Yes, corruption, main reason why everyone's going all over Canada US and Europe lol, but yea.

Raising prices is not a solution. Were it that easy, some of the intelligent people living on Earth would have done it long ago.  :P

If prices are raised, trade unions put pressure on employers for wage increments. Besides, people restrict their consumption when they cannot afford to pay (well, that's supposed to be our aim). Costs (i.e. wages) increase and at the same time demand decreases-- producers will cut down production and consequently employ fewer people. Supply will decrease-- there is a shortage, prices increase again (where is our aim lost now? :P). Well, fancy foods are not necessities but yea, some rich people will continue to consume them to maintain society's superiority complex. So, we'll leave the elasticity of demand... Let's assume demand remains unchanged. Unemployment also rises, trade unions lose their bargaining power-- wages can no longer be increased. They may even decrease.

So, you see. On the whole, society is worse off when the prices are increased.

* I don't know if you study Economics... I've tried to make it simpler... ::)*


Well as far as the moon goes then fine, i guess it won't hurt if they go there, but TRYING, to reach Mars, TRYING to find alternative life forms, this all seems like money gone to waste, just cuz ur rich doesnt mean you have the ryte to throw your money on the floor, or space :P

Money gone to waste? Can you tell me why? Because they found traces of life on Mars? They discovered other galaxies? They could explore our Solar System? Cause we know a comet is approaching us? Spend huge sums to reach on the moon, and stop there itself? Would this not have been a waste?

Just cause you're rich doesn't also mean you have the right to throw this money into fancies and follies.  :P


I don't think anyone will disagree on this, wats should not be hapennin in the first place. If, nevertheless, money is still wasted on weaponary, does that mean we're supposed to waste even more money on space?


If by removing this wasted money from warfare where people die in millions into another 'waste', as you say, space, then yes, it's much more sensible.
It's better to remove a dagger from a monkey's hand and give it to a donkey. The monkey can surely hurt more people with the dagger; the donkey has no hands to do the same.  :D

Brains is the most essential thing, but without resources, which cost money. Sure, we can teach people for low costs, but applying this education will be impossible without resources; we can't build a villa if we havent got cement now can we

You can't build a villa if you have no land first, can you?? Cement is just a raw material, a resource. Money is only a financial resource. Land is the BASE. Brains are the essential, you said it. What's the use of having money if you have no brain to be able to use it properly? Again, it's a dagger in a monkey's hand.  :P

This is all true (duh), and yes you me and everyone will not be able to survive without these. But now you mentioned global warming and whatnot, now wouldn't it be more sensible if money is spent until these effects are totally under control, THEN we might move on to the next phenomenon? Or are we just gonna be identifying more and more catastrophes and just sit down and watch em hit us?


Alright, for this one, I'm just gonna ask you a simple question.
You are on a road. A truck is coming at top speed in your direction. You are running away from it to save your life. A double decker is also rushing in the opposite direction. What will you do? Solve the first problem then the second? You will first run away from the truck, towards the double decker and then later, run away from the double decker, towards the truck?  :P Or will you move to the side?

Yea true lol, but again, we must get rid of the problems on hand before moving on to the next one :)

I disagree here. We should be dealing with emergencies first and then move on to other problems with less impact.

We should start by identifying the emergencies. I think you already know how.  :)

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