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--- Quote from: astarmathsandphysics on October 04, 2011, 08:25:41 pm ---I am not an expert on the quran but I do know you can find justification in the bible for just about anything you want to do no matter how insane. Iis the quarn consistent throughout or does it say in different pages anything which might be thought a contradiction?
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There is justification for every thing in Quran as well. If you are not comfortable with Bible then don't ever pick Quran as they are so same in content.
You will see a lot of contradiction in Quran if you read it without any guide or knowledge. For example in one verse it is permissible to drink alcohol as long as it does not disrupt your prayers but in Medina God reveals to Muhammed that alcohol is forbidden in every way.
I forgot the name though for these verses which should not be obeyed to.
minicooper:
--- Quote ---Jews and Christians are considered as 'people of the book'. They believe in the same God as we Muslims do, but the scriptures revealed to them were different.
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Disagree. How can one God have conflicting laws and views and personality?
--- Quote ---For example in one verse it is permissible to drink alcohol as long as it does not disrupt your prayers but in Medina God reveals to Muhammed that alcohol is forbidden in every way.
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Apparently its called the doctrine of abrogation.
--- Quote ---Read the Quraan & The hadiths, everything is clear.
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Have read parts of it. Not any more enlightened though. :)
--- Quote ---I am not an expert on the quran but I do know you can find justification in the bible for just about anything you want to do no matter how insane.
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Um, like what? I bet you can do the same for the Constitution if you interpret it 'properly'.
Disclaimer: This is not at all an attempt to start a religious debate. Just commenting on other people's comments. So don't ban me. :)
Ukhti-R:
--- Quote from: Dumb economist on October 05, 2011, 12:13:54 am ---There is justification for every thing in Quran as well. If you are not comfortable with Bible then don't ever pick Quran as they are so same in content.
You will see a lot of contradiction in Quran if you read it without any guide or knowledge. For example in one verse it is permissible to drink alcohol as long as it does not disrupt your prayers but in Medina God reveals to Muhammed that alcohol is forbidden in every way.
I forgot the name though for these verses which should not be obeyed to.
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May Allah guide you all.
Ukhti-R:
@monicooper: do you seriously believe the bible hasn't been changed?
You should listen to talks by Zakir Naik- he'll clear any confusion you have inshaAllah.
Amelia:
--- Quote from: Dumb economist on October 05, 2011, 12:13:54 am ---There is justification for every thing in Quran as well. If you are not comfortable with Bible then don't ever pick Quran as they are so same in content.
You will see a lot of contradiction in Quran if you read it without any guide or knowledge. For example in one verse it is permissible to drink alcohol as long as it does not disrupt your prayers but in Medina God reveals to Muhammed that alcohol is forbidden in every way.
I forgot the name though for these verses which should not be obeyed to.
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I assume that you are a Muslim. It shouldn't be hard for you to provide evidence from the Holy Book, right?
Where is the verse in the quran where it was said that it's "permissible" to drink alcohol?
It is stated in the Qur’ân: “They ask you regarding wine and gambling. Say, in both of them is major sin, and there is some benefit for men, but the sin of them is far greater than benefit. ”
(Surah Baqarah)
Do you see the words "major sin"? Fine still, no direct order was given to stop consuming alcohol.
Second step: “O Believers’ do not approach Salâh while intoxicated.” (Surah Nisaa)
Reason:- There was an incident during which the companions of the prophet prayed while they were drunk. Including the Imam, and he had many errors while reciting Surahs during the prayer.
Finally, to stop confusion Prophet (saw) prayed to God: “O Allah! Grant us a clear cut for regarding alcohol.”
In response to this the 3rd and 4th verses concerning the complete prohibition of alcohol, were revealed as part of Surah Ma’idah:
"O you who believe! Intoxicants, gambling, idolatry and arrows (for seeking help on decision) one an abomination of order that you may be successful.
Shaytan seeks only to cast amongst you enmity and hatred by means of strong drink and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from his worship, will you then not refrain? ”
(Surah Ma’idah 90)
Allah in his wisdom; firstly disclosed the evils in alcohol, then prohibited it at Salâh times and finally declared it absolutely Haraam. Do the verses contradict each other? It was never said it's okay to consume Alcohol. Only human mentality.
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